@Wrong:
Luffy and Blackbeard's actions are comparable. If you consider Teach a bad guy then, by the same logic, Luffy is a very bad man too.
No, this is incorrect as reason is also a determining factor in whether one's actions are good or evil.
@Wrong:
Luffy and Blackbeard's actions are comparable. If you consider Teach a bad guy then, by the same logic, Luffy is a very bad man too.
No, this is incorrect as reason is also a determining factor in whether one's actions are good or evil.
@Wrong:
Translated: The only bad thing Luffy did was sneak into a government installation to free his criminal brother, given the license to rampage across the world with wanton destruction bearing the name of Whitebeard on his back.
Yeah, that doesn't work, buddy.
Nice way of saying what Luffy did is bad.
Yes he did. Let a criminal pay his dues.
There is no difference between this and freeing hundreds of killers. Why are you trying to paint that differential?
Only in your imagination.
There is nothing anti-hero about it. That is the actions of a bad man.
They're both bad guys, but one is less bad than the other.
Riiiiiiiiiight.
Well if you have been paying attention to the story you'd realize that the WG has been getting established as an evil power anyway, also again Luffy has good decent characteristics whereas BB would kill anyone who gets between him and his desires. Luffy at most is an antihero.
Well if you have been paying attention to the story you'd realize that the WG has been getting established as an evil power anyway,
No they're not.
The rampaging pillaging pirates are the bad guys.
also again Luffy has good decent characteristics
Like freeing hundreds of murderous criminals to fulfil his own desires.
whereas BB would kill anyone who gets between him and his desires.
Hey lookit that! There's no difference between Blackbeard and Luffy!
No, this is incorrect as reason is also a determining factor in whether one's actions are good or evil.
"I want to free my criminal brother".
That's not a 'good' action.
Acutally Luffy doesn't kill.
@Dream:
Acutally Luffy doesn't kill.
Yeah, instead he prefers to release 100s of people who will more than make up for any kills Luffy leaves behind.
He released fucking CROCODILE, how can you argue this point
@Wrong:
Translated: The only bad thing Luffy did was sneak into a government installation to free his criminal brother, given the license to rampage across the world with wanton destruction bearing the name of Whitebeard on his back.
What you say makes perfectly sense from the marines point of view :)
There is no real difference between this and freeing hundreds of killers. Why are you trying to paint that differential?
Yes there is luffys life was in danger. BBs life isn't in danger when he decided to kill the commander…
I have to agree that this is a really dangerous argumentation since you can say that luffy did it only to made it in time to save ace :)
But at the end you agree that what BB did was bad and that he has no problems to kill anyone to gain power?
@Wrong:
Yeah, instead he prefers to release 100s of people who will more than make up for any kills Luffy leaves behind.
He released fucking CROCODILE, how can you argue this point
He released Crocodile because he had to to survive and for his brother to survive. Luffy is just looking at the bigger picture.
As for the other 100s…that was mostly Buggy.
What you say makes perfectly sense from the marines point of view :)
And from a moral, common-sense point of view.
Yes there is luffys life was in danger.
He put his own life in danger by infiltrating the prison in the first place. What sort of logic is that.
BBs life isn't in danger when he decided to kill the commander…
Sure, only his lifelong dream was on the line.
Like Luffy's dream of reuniting with his brother.
But i have to agree that this is a really dangerous argumentation since you can say that luffy did it only to made it in time to save ace :)
Why do you argue ass-backward
But at the end you agree that what BB did was bad and that he has no problems to kill anyone to gain power?
I NEVER SAID BLACKBEARD IS A GOOD GUY
@Dream:
He released Crocodile because he had to to survive and for his brother to survive. Luffy is just looking at the bigger picture.
…the bigger picture is hundreds of pirates and a world-class criminal murderer being set loose on the world once again.
Luffy and Ace's life isn't the bigger picture by any stretch of any sane person's imagination.
As for the other 100s…that was mostly Buggy.
hahahahahahahaa
@Wrong:
And from a moral, common-sense point of view.
Those prisoners have to mass kill a lot of guys to make luffy responsible for more than using them to escape and head to the MHQ which is already bad by all means…
Why do you argue ass-backward
Because i understand you and never argued that what luffy did wasn't bad :)
I NEVER SAID BLACKBEARD IS A GOOD GUY
Of course you didn't but can't i ask you a simple question without you beginning to shout?
Those prisoners has to mass kill a lot of guys to make luffy responsible for more than just using them to escape and head to the MHQ which is bad by all means…
1 kill is enough to equate to Blackbeard killing Thatch. You're blinded by 550 chapters of happy-go-lucky Straw Hat fun adventures.
Because i understand you and never argued that what luffy did wasn't bad :)
the only bad thing he did was to break in to save ace…
Don't lie.
Of course you didn't but can't i ask you a simple question without you beginning to shout?
You should have realised my position from the first post.
@Wrong:
1 kill is enough to equate to Blackbeard killing Thatch. You're blinded by 550 chapters of happy-go-lucky Straw Hat fun adventures.
I completely agree that my choice of words wasn't the best.
Don't lie.
Lol you're trying too hard man :)
let me quote myself
Luffy wanted to escape a torture prison where he would have stayed for the rest of his life where the only bad thing he did was to break in to save ace…
Now you can take that out of context and use it against me but what i wanted to say is that he (when he was in ID) only broke in the prison which is a bad thing!
Didn't Blackbeard say he wanted the darkness fruit because it was the most "evil ability"? And Oda chose darkness symbolicly.
@Wrong:
And from a moral, common-sense point of view.
He put his own life in danger by infiltrating the prison in the first place. What sort of logic is that.
Sure, only his lifelong dream was on the line.
Like Luffy's dream of reuniting with his brother.
Why do you argue ass-backward
I NEVER SAID BLACKBEARD IS A GOOD GUY
…the bigger picture is hundreds of pirates and a world-class criminal murderer being set loose on the world once again.
Luffy and Ace's life isn't the bigger picture by any stretch of any sane person's imagination.
hahahahahahahaa
@Wrong:
No they're not.
The rampaging pillaging pirates are the bad guys.
Like freeing hundreds of murderous criminals to fulfil his own desires.
Hey lookit that! There's no difference between Blackbeard and Luffy!
"I want to free my criminal brother".
That's not a 'good' action.
The govt, was willing to kill Ace as a baby who did nothing, they killed the Oharans to cover up w/e horrible atrocities that the WG comitted during the void century, they are evil in a nutshell but that doesn't mean everyone working for the WG is. And look I understand that you're trying to say that BB is neutral, however what pushes him past that grey line known as neutrality is that the man lacks any form of a moral compass, as seen in the examples I provided.
This differs from Luffy because had Luffy needed the yami yami no mi to become PK he wouldn't have killed Thatch, he would recognise that as an evil act and would've sought out an alternative or tried to become PK through his own power.
This is the main difference between Luffy and BB, Luffy has a moral compass and will go out of his way to help people even if it really doesn't benefit him more than what he's risking. I'm glad Oda did have Luffy in a moral bind with the prisoners because it reminds the audience that Luffy isn't your perfect goody two shoes Goku like hero, he is still a pirate, but it doesn't change the fact that it was done under trying circumstances, nor does it erase all the good he has done, can't say the same for BB.
I completely agree that my choice of words wasn't the best.
Nothing tastes as sweet as a concession.
Lol you're trying too hard man :)
You straight up lied and then flip-flop on your position.
let me quote myself
Now you can take that out of context and use it against me but what i wanted to say is that he (when he was in ID) only broke in the prison which is a bad thing!
You can't worm your way like a maggot out of this one, you specifically said
the only bad thing
in direct reference to Luffy breaking into Impel Down. It wasn't taken out of context or abused in anyway. You clearly switched your position, but you've been found out.
Admit it, that was a blatant lie.
At the end of the day Luffy is a pirate. Normally a nice pirate but he doesn't listen to the laws or play by the rules. In the world of pirates most would consider him a good guy. In the world of civilians a man who just released 100 dangerous criminals is a bad guy. In the world of Luffy, he does what he wants because he can, a free man, but also a dangerous one. People seem to forget that just because he;s our hero doesn't mean he's everyone elses, the Marines are after him for good reason.
@Lordzeb121:
At the end of the day Luffy is a pirate. Normally a nice pirate but he doesn't listen to the laws or play by the rules. In the world of pirates most would consider him a good guy. In the world of civilians a man who just released 100 dangerous criminals is a bad guy. In the world of Luffy, he does what he wants because he can, a free man, but also a dangerous one. People seem to forget that just because he;s our hero doesn't mean he's everyone elses, the Marines are after him for good reason.
Going against a corrupt Government is definately not evil.
@Wrong:
Nothing tastes as sweet as a concession.
You straight up lied and then flip-flop on your position.
You can't worm your way like a maggot out of this one, you specifically said
in direct reference to Luffy breaking into Impel Down. It wasn't taken out of context or abused in anyway. You clearly switched your position, but you've been found out.
Admit it, that was a blatant lie.
Hey moria how is it going?
A troll is a troll though…
…and they're after Ace "for good reasons too" eh?
@Wrong:
How is Blackbeard a "bad guy"? He's just like any other pirate on that ocean.
He killed his own nakama for his own benefit. Isn't that enough reason to show that he's a worse guy than the average pirate on the ocean? Tell me, how many pirates have you seen killed their own nakama for their own gain.
How’s he a troll he’s just expressing his opinion
The govt, was willing to kill Ace as a baby who did nothing, they killed the Oharans to cover up w/e horrible atrocities that the WG comitted during the void century, they are evil in a nutshell
The big evil World Government. One gigantic hive-mind mass controlled from a nebulous central control panel, blindly following all orders with no personal conviction and belief to taint that.
Oh hi garp
but that doesn't mean everyone working for the WG is.
You hamstring your own point with this comment.
And look I understand that you're trying to say that BB is neutral, however what pushes him past that grey line known as neutrality is that the man lacks any form of a moral compass, as seen in the examples I provided.
How is there a line to cross if he has no compass? Again, do you understand your own point that you are attempting to make? By this very logic Blackbeard is incapable of committing an evil action.
This differs from Luffy because had Luffy needed the yami yami no mi to become PK he wouldn't have killed Thatch, he would recognise that as an evil act and would've sought out an alternative or tried to become PK through his own power.
Speculation.
This is the main difference between Luffy and BB, Luffy has a moral compass and
Where was this moral compass in Impel Down
Or when he chose to become a pirate
will go out of his way to help people even if it really doesn't benefit him more than what he's risking.
Thriller Bark. Read it.
I'm glad Oda did have Luffy in a moral bind with the prisoners because it reminds the audience that Luffy isn't your perfect goody two shoes Goku like hero, he is still a pirate, but it doesn't change the fact that it was done under trying circumstances, nor does it erase all the good he has done, can't say the same for BB.
These are all excuses in a futile attempt to paint Luffy as different from Blackbeard. For all intents and purposes, as Oda has foreshadowed, the two are more similar than meets the eye.
@$abZ:
Going against a corrupt Government is definately not evil.
Releasing criminals is.
Hey moria how is it going?
A troll is a troll though…
Concession.
It's over, I win.
…and they're after Ace "for good reasons too" eh?
He killed his own nakama for his own benefit. Isn't that enough reason to show that he's a worse guy than the average pirate on the ocean? Tell me, how many pirates have you seen killed their own nakama for their own gain.
First off, the word "nakama" should be banned. Ultra-gay.
Secondly how are you going to scale murder of a crewmate and hundreds of released criminals who murdered, pillaged and ransacked how many innocent citizens in their occupation as pirates.
They're both selfish and bad.
@Wrong:
Releasing criminals is.
So you're saying by releasing criminals Luffy did an evil thing… and Blackbeard isn't evil for killing his own nakama?
And look I understand that you're trying to say that BB is neutral, however what pushes him past that grey line known as neutrality is that the man lacks any form of a moral compass, as seen in the examples I provided.
This differs from Luffy because had Luffy needed the yami yami no mi to become PK he wouldn't have killed Thatch, he would recognise that as an evil act and would've sought out an alternative or tried to become PK through his own power.
You should really read posts before prepairing useless counter arguements
He wasn't argueing the point of bb being nuetral he was stating how you cannot diferintiate the actions of luffy and bb because in the end their actions (both such were bad on the same level, luffies actually worse) were dictated by their own personal desires
Ie:
Luffy: broke into a government maximum security prison to free his death Row brother only to find his brother not there, so he freed other mAximum security prisoners and caused a prison riot to escape back out.
Bb: killed his nakama to increase his own power so he could become stronger, then beat ace who came after him, and turned him into the government
@$abZ:
and Blackbeard isn't evil for killing his own nakama?
I love how people always prefer to imagine a statement rather than reading and understanding what is actually in front of their eyes.
@Wrong:
Concession.
It's over, I win.
I know that luffy did bad things and that he wasn't really defending his point of view against croc. He wasn't also opposed against releasing the prisoners in ID which is bad yeah. Now you can think whatever you want.
But Ivan inazuma are the one who ordered it. So they are the one who are directly responsible. I can't recall luffy opening one gate. The facts speak for themselves. Luffy didn't open the cell at level 1 when one prisoner asked him to do it.
I know that luffy did bad things and that he wasn't really defending his point of view against croc. He wasn't also opposed against releasing the prisoners in ID which is bad yeah. Now you can think whatever you want.
The facts point to me being right….again.
But Ivan inazuma are the one who ordered it.
Semantics. The only reason the escape plan with the transsexual army began was because Luffy showed up at Ivankov's doorstep.
Have the last 30 chapters been a blur, son?
So they are the one who are directly responsible. I can't recall luffy opening one gate. The facts speak for themselves. Luffy didn't open the cell at level 1 when one prisoner asked him to do it.
I love this hot-footing on differing arguments. Useless, of course, because you haven't really addressed any points at all.
Luffy didn't break into Impel Down intending to free a load of evil criminals… he intended to save a good hearted Ace (who has been captured by a corrupt Gov't). He just freed the criminals without intending to... to save his own brother (it was almost inevitable). Luffy's intentions are never evil... unless you can state one. He has never been shown KILLING anyone.
Blackbeard, on the other hand, has killed his own nakama for power intentionally. He took over Drum villiage (causing the distress of the villiagers) intentionally. He went out to see to obtain a DF which he calls the "one with the most evil ability", and it happens to be darkness (a colour of evil).
@Wrong:
Semantics. The only reason the escape plan with the transsexual army began was because Luffy showed up at Ivankov's doorstep.
As if it was luffys plan to do it :) As if luffy even had a plan!
Have the last 30 chapters been a blur, son?
I have to say father that your eyes aren't what they used to be…
@$abZ:
Luffy didn't break into Impel Down intending to free a load of evil criminals… he intended to save a good hearted Ace (who has been captured by a corrupt Gov't). He just freed the criminals without intending to... to save his own brother (it was almost inevitable). Luffy's intentions are never evil... unless you can state one. He has never been shown KILLING anyone.
Blackbeard, on the other hand, has killed his own nakama for power intentionally. He took over Drum villiage (causing the distress of the villiagers) intentionally. He went out to see to obtain a DF which he calls the "one with the most evil ability", and it happens to be darkness (a colour of evil).
Retreading tired, battered arguments again and again and again.
Please bring something new to the debate or kindly shut the fuck up.
As if it was luffys plan to do it :) As if luffy even had a plan!
Luffy "shit I need to bust out of this prison!"
Ivankov "shit you're DRAGON'S son?! well hot damn let's get you busted out"
He knew what was involved and went along with it. You cannot escape this fact.
Avoiding nigh on every single point again, too, I see.
@Wrong:
Retreading tired, battered arguments again and again and again.
Please bring something new to the debate or kindly shut the fuck up.
Okay… some kid across the internet told me to shut up so I will... are you kidding me? I think you should wait for your balls to drop before you come back and reply.
They weren't the same arguements... and you never countered them.
@$abZ:
Okay… some kid across the internet told me to shut up so I will... are you kidding me? I think you should wait for your balls to drop before you come back and reply.
BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN
They weren't the same arguements… and you never countered them.
Ladies and gents, here is a perfect example of today's illiterate social class.
Learn to follow the thread, boyo.
@$abZ:
Luffy didn't break into Impel Down intending to free a load of evil criminals… he intended to save a good hearted Ace (who has been captured by a corrupt Gov't). He just freed the criminals without intending to... to save his own brother (it was almost inevitable). Luffy's intentions are never evil... unless you can state one. He has never been shown KILLING anyone.
Blackbeard, on the other hand, has killed his own nakama for power intentionally. He took over Drum villiage (causing the distress of the villiagers) intentionally. He went out to see to obtain a DF which he calls the "one with the most evil ability", and it happens to be darkness (a colour of evil).
So your arguement is that luffies a toons went considered bad or "evil" for the simple fact he hasn't directly killed someone? That a wishy washy way of thinking then by your estemate the actions of jigsaw in saw one wernt evil because he was never directly responsible for any of hose peoples deaths.
The truth is that if one of those prisoners kills even a single Individual or rapes or pilliges a single innocent village then luffy by definition is responsible for that rape death or pillage,
@Wrong:
Luffy "shit I need to save Ace my father is Dragon!"
Ivankov "shit you're DRAGON'S son?! well hot damn let's get you busted out"
Fixed it for you!
He knew what was involved and went along with it. You cannot escape this fact.
Of course the guy who doesn't know he even had a father totally knows he was going to join a group of revolutionaries (luffy what's that? Can i eat it?) that are willing to free as much prisoners as possible plus croc and jimbei…
You seem to have a lot of faith in luffys judgement abilities. Maybe we're not reading the same manga...
I've never seen Saw. My point is that the release of those prisoners happened accidentally… not by intent. Accidents happen.
@Wrong:
The big evil World Government. One gigantic hive-mind mass controlled from a nebulous central control panel, blindly following all orders with no personal conviction and belief to taint that.
Oh hi Garp
Your description is dead on actually, the Gorousei are said control panel.
@Wrong:
You hamstring your own point with this comment.
No I didn't the WG as a whole is evil due to the people who control it at the top being evil, however it's apparent that not everyone is aware of this evil who works for the WG so they are just ignorant.
@Wrong:
How is there a line to cross if he has no compass? Again, do you understand your own point that you are attempting to make? By this very logic Blackbeard is incapable of committing an evil action.
I meant to edit this after the fact because I figured you'd pull the unconscious comittance of sin is not sin argument but I was in the haki thread, anyway fine BB more than likely knew that killing That was evil but he chooses to ignore his moral compass.
@Wrong:
Speculation.
No it isn't, everything Oda has shown of Luffy goes against the idea of him murdering someone for power, especially an external power like a df or a weapon when he's the type to work for his own power and let alone murder a nakama.
@Wrong:
Where was this moral compass in Impel Down
Outweighed/clouded by the impending death of his brother who he loves.
@Wrong:
Or when he chose to become a pirate
He was an impressionable kid who admired Shanks and equated freedom with piracy.
@Wrong:
Thriller Bark. Read it.
I have, look up antihero and reread the manga till you understand Luffy's character enough to know what actions would completely contradict his established character.
@Wrong:
These are all excuses in a futile attempt to paint Luffy as different from Blackbeard. For all intents and purposes, as Oda has foreshadowed, the two are more similar than meets the eye.
BB is being painted as a WARPED Luffy who pushes the limits of what someone will do for their dreams, however if you know Luffy's character and comparr and contrast it to BB the differences a easily noticed.
@Wrong:
Releasing criminals is.
You clearly think that the broken record way of arguing is the best, huh?
@Wrong:
Concession.
It's over, I win.
Ok if you say so, even though you haven't but you can have my +1 epeen, idc for it.
@Wrong:
First off, the word "nakama" should be banned. Ultra-gay.
Secondly how are you going to scale murder of a crewmate and hundreds of released criminals who murdered, pillaged and ransacked how many innocent citizens in their occupation as pirates.
They're both selfish and bad.
To totally different connotations to what they did, Luffy hesitantly released criminals (mostly Buggy actually) in the name of saving a loved one, BB murdered a nakama in the name of more power.
So your arguement is that luffies a toons went considered bad or "evil" for the simple fact he hasn't directly killed someone? That a wishy washy way of thinking then by your estemate the actions of jigsaw in saw one wernt evil because he was never directly responsible for any of hose peoples deaths.
The truth is that if one of those prisoners kills even a single Individual or rapes or pilliges a single innocent village then luffy by definition is responsible for that rape death or pillage,
good point, but like that he his not responsable of if bro death… but let me think if I was him.
If my bro is going to be kill but I can save him but then I save Hitler at the same time, what would I do?
It's hard to admit but I would have to save Hitler and my bro, does it make me a collabo, no.
What would you?
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Blackbeard is definitely seen as Neutral from Oda.
Otherwise, he wouldn't show Blackbeard saying to Luffy to follow his dreams.
Nor would he say that One Piece exists, just as the Sky Island existed.
He doesn't mock Luffy, he's a simple pirate with objectives, much like Luffy.
Gol D Ace is 100% right on this one.
Imo, what luffy did is not as bad as what BB did.
1. We don't even know what those pirates did to be put there in the first place.
2.Even if the prisoners did commit more crimes after they broke out (even though they said they were turning a new leaf) each man is responsible for his own actions.
3.Impel down wasn't a prison, it was a torture house. (mainly my opinion because I don't like torture)
Yes, being the cause of a massive prison break out is bad, but I feel that killing a friend is far worse.
You should really read posts before prepairing useless counter arguements
He wasn't argueing the point of bb being nuetral he was stating how you cannot diferintiate the actions of luffy and bb because in the end their actions (both such were bad on the same level, luffies actually worse) were dictated by their own personal desiresIe:
Luffy: broke into a government maximum security prison to free his death Row brother only to find his brother not there, so he freed other mAximum security prisoners and caused a prison riot to escape back out.Bb: killed his nakama to increase his own power so he could become stronger, then beat ace who came after him, and turned him into the government
And you should really read the part of the thread in question, he said how is BB a bad guy, then tried to argue that if BB is bad then so is Luffy, so had he just said they both are bad because such and such then I wouldn't of confused his point, all he was doing was arguing how Luffy is bad when we weren't talking about Luffy and even after we said that Luffy's actions have nothing to do with BB.
O_O
You are insane, then, mister Glowstuff, and Luffy did far more than just breaking prisioners out of Prison.
O_O
You are insane, then, mister Glowstuff, and Luffy did far more than just breaking prisioners out of Prison.
Yeah i'm willing to read more about it.
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Blackbeard is definitely seen as Neutral from Oda.
Otherwise, he wouldn't show Blackbeard saying to Luffy to follow his dreams.He doesn't mock Luffy, he's a simple pirate with objectives, much like Luffy.
Gol D Ace is 100% right on this one.
BB saying to luffy to follow his dreams has nothing to do with the neutrality of BB.
Can't BB have a good dream and always do bad things to achieve it? Or what is the point here?
Nor would he say that One Piece exists, just as the Sky Island existed.
So only guys like bellamy are bad guys in OP
Ok then so let's look at it this way had luffy never decided to break into the prison then he wouldn't have "accidently" freed all those criminals. But he Did which caused how magnetic monkey so eloquently put it
@MagneticMonkey:
So there!
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Blackbeard is definitely seen as Neutral from Oda.
Otherwise, he wouldn't show Blackbeard saying to Luffy to follow his dreams.
Nor would he say that One Piece exists, just as the Sky Island existed.
He doesn't mock Luffy, he's a simple pirate with objectives, much like Luffy.
Gol D Ace is 100% right on this one.
You think neutral huh? Well in a situation in which BB and Luffy were given a choice between killing a crewmember and becoming PK or never becoming PK I'm fairly certain that Luffy would choose to never become PK, BB on the otherhand would end up PK and with one less crewmate.
Well, I said "far more", but I mean that by the value, not by the count of things he did.
He entered Enies Lobby, while this is not bad itself, he punched the face of many guards who were just doing his job and destroyed some buildings while doing so.
Some of them were definitely and some of them are in health problems.
They had families, jobs, etc.
What Blackbeard did was to kill his commander (Protip: The only reason why Blackbeard joined the Whitebeard pirates was to get that specific Devil Fruit, so he didn't consider anyone friends), and he attacked villages, which is what a Pirate does.
Altough, Overall, what Blackbeard did was worse, Luffy would pretty much also attack villages if he had a reason to.
They are both pirates, each with their own objective.
They aren't meant to be seen as good and bad guy, Blackbeard believes in the power of the will, Luffy uses the power of the will, they are both fighting for their dreams.
That's the whole point, they are fighting for their dreams, Blackbeard in one manner, Luffy in another.
O_O
You are insane, then, mister Glowstuff, and Luffy did far more than just breaking prisioners out of Prison.
I;m insane ? okay.
What else did Luffy do ?
And you should really read the part of the thread in question, he said how is BB a bad guy, then tried to argue that if BB is bad then so is Luffy, so had he just said they both are bad because such and such then I wouldn't of confused his point, all he was doing was arguing how Luffy is bad when we weren't talking about Luffy and even after we said that Luffy's actions have nothing to do with BB.
Ok you tell me to read but it is you my friend who does not understand if you follow the thread you would have seen that the subject at hand actually evoleved from that older one that which you speak of. As conversations progress so does threads he wasn't argueing his point clearly so I stated it in an unconfising and understandable way since I actually do agree win what he was trying to get accross
@O:
good point, but like that he his not responsable of if bro death… but let me think if I was him.
If my bro is going to be kill but I can save him but then I save Hitler at the same time, what would I do?
It's hard to admit but I would have to save Hitler and my bro, does it make me a collabo, no.
What would you?
no I would not. LOL for the simple fact that I actually am a marine in real life and something like that goes against my core values
Sorry for the double post Dont flame me! Pls
I'm sending these from my ipone so it's kinda hard
Ok you tell me to read but it is you my friend who does not understand if you follow the thread you would have seen that the subject at hand actually evoleved from that older one that which you speak of. As conversations progress so does threads he wasn't argueing his point clearly so I stated it in an unconfising and understandable way since I actually do agree win what he was trying to get accross
Again had you read you would've known that the discussion got to this point because I tried to clarify what GolD Ace was saying then Boyo disagreed with me, I was saying that BB is evil to which Boyo brought up Luffy who I said is more of an antihero than any evil person like BB and that he has 0 to do with the evil BB has committed.
No I did read that actually, good points made too by the way, but the main thing being argued when I made that post was what I'm fact I said in the post, not what you were trying to rebutt him on I'm not gonna repeat this again so don't bother trying to refute my statement again
I can understand some ppl still thinking he's the antagonist but it's easy to view BB as the anti-hero to an extent.
Comparing Luffy's actions to BB's as far as what's bad is stupid. Oda's purposely, no Oda wrote the story this way and that's how it is. I don't recall any arc where Luffy was the bad guy even when dealing with the marines/CP9/WG since they have questionable laws.
This current arc where "Luffy broke out criminals" is being warped for the sake of argument. I mean we already see where they'll end up all of the criminals rolling with Buggy will join his crew and be fodder forever. The revolutionaries will go back to Dragon and I'm still not sold on what they're doing is wrong.
Croc's the only one and his fate isn't sealed yet.
If Luffy could've reached his goal w/o breaking them out he wouldn't except for Bentham.
Well mainly what ida got accross to me with the whole id arc was the fact that a pirate is a pirate by any and all estimates they will do what they want regardless of the rules or the powers at be, also the fun loving happy go lucky mugiwara adventures are over for a while and it's time to get down to the serious pirate business, of lawlessness and coup de tas
The fact is even if the wg is considered at the top brass to have some less than honorable princeples their main purpose is still the safety and santity of the op world, such as protecting the villiges from pillage and those women and. CHildren from rape and murder by the type of people luffy just released from prison.