@Satsuki said in Non-Disney animation thread:
I'm not against it. Just scratching my head thinking, "why?"
But of course the purists/sexists are bitching about it.
I do like the one suggestions in the linked article of “instead of making male characters female just write better female characters”.
Same guy probably hates the idea of competently written female characters who don’t just exist for the purposes of being eye candy and may even be the main character of their stories.
@pariston_hill lol, maybe put a NSFW warning. In the office…
I guess the spoiler tag could be considered somewhat a nsfw warning, but I put my in spoiler tags in case people haven’t watched season 2 yet.
Caped Crusader has 100% on the tomatometer and 75% audience score:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/batman_caped_crusader/s01
Having watched the first episode of Caped Crusader I can fully say: I really like the new Penguin.
There’s not a general animation thread so I’ll just ask it here, does ai art take any talent or skill to do?
I see AI artists all the time on Instagram posting amazing things like this
https://www.instagram.com/p/C-QWEH9IqIK/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
How much time, effort and talent does it take to make this
And if it’s none, what does that mean for the animation industry?
Do real artists look down on this because of its lack of skill, or do a lot of people see it as the next step to making animation faster and less time and money consuming?
@Shiebs said in Non-Disney animation thread:
There’s not a general animation thread so I’ll just ask it here, does ai art
First of all, there's AI assisted art, and then the broad term "AI art" that's being used as a catch-all for the harvesting machines. AI assisted stuff is fine, we've had that for years in things like spellcheck and photoshop and video games. Spiderverse created and trained a program to get what looked like inked lines against a CG model. There's nothing wrong with "AI" in general.
The problem is the plagiarism machines.
take any talent or skill to do?
It takes zero talent.
And lots and lots and lots of theft.
Like, stealing millions of images without permission lots.
How much time, effort and talent does it take to make this
That particular image is probably not raw AI. AI doesn't do dynamic angles and dramatic perspectives like that on its own, they had to get a base to feed into it and a ton of reference shots of Luffy.
And if it’s none, what does that mean for the animation industry?
AI assisted stuff is already being used. Like I said it's being used in SPiderverse to get ink lines, and it's being used in One Piece to take traditional pencil drawings and get that specific look it's had since Wano.
AI theft programs will be useless. Because it's dogshit at consistency because it doesn't actually know what it's making. So if you render the same shot 10 times it'll use the exact same basic pose and lighting every time but the background and what they're wearing will be different everytime and there will be a bunch of squiggles and it looks messy.
If you tell it to render Korra? It can do that.
Do real artists look down on this because of its lack of skill, or do a lot of people see it as the next step to making animation faster and less time and money consuming?
Artists look down on it because of the theft.
If you wanted to ethically train a program to make a movie or something, no problem, but you have to provide it with the hundreds of images yourself. It's just a tool at that point.
Also, while that one individual image looks pretty good, AI has a very difficult time going outside of a few stock poses because it falls apart fast if it tries to do anything fancy. If you want to tell a story or get a certain emotion or facial expression or bit of unique body language? It has a very very hard time with that.
Like just as a few terrifying examples.
The AI knocks how to render a woman. it has no idea what to do with that stylized face or to put it onto unusual proportions, and the face and body are rendered completely differently. Also the hands are really messed up.
Also, it will use the exact same tricks EVERY time because it is taught "this is what looks good" and then never varies it at all. . You need a human hand to guide it.
Like just ignoring the awful foot here, notice how the lighting shadow is hitting the side of the face and then casting a neck shadow over the torso to frame her chest? That's pretty cool lighting!
Individually they look okay, good even . Its a very dramatic and effective lighting choice and that messy hair looks like flowing motion and those backgrounds look cool. But once you see a few of them they look very samey and you start to see the lack of soul in it. Hard to quantify in a single image, but once you've seen a hundred of these and they ALL have the same poses and lighting patterns it starts to look bad, even to an untrained eye.
And you can see the nonsense in the outfits more clearly here.
Who knew the Hungarians would make a movie about Native American stuff?
There's a rumor going around right now that Beyond the Spider-verse has been delayed indefinitely and/or scrapped and completely overhauled by Sony, but the composer claims that it's not true:
https://screenrant.com/spider-man-beyond-the-verse-delay-report-composer-address/
Find it funny it was released ahead of the reveal in the Geeked Week Panel proper
Agreed. The Wild Robot is top tier. Cried multiple times to it. Don’t even wanna get into it, think going into it blind is worthwhile.
Fantastic is exactly the word for it. Highly recommended.
FLOW is also getting rave reviews and is coming at... some point. It's doing great on the festival circuit but is only slated for a very limited release right now at the end of November. Completely silent animal film, no talking.
Nope, nope nope, can't do it. Any film where cats and dogs might get hurt is a no.
Don't know how many people still care about Family Guy (I think most of us have gone past hating and settled into forgetting that it even exists), but last Spring it was taken off of Fox's Sunday lineup and moved to Wednesday nights. Also, they evidently don't plan on airing any new episodes the rest of the year aside from two Holiday specials, one in October and one in December, which will be on Hulu.
It could be nothing and may just be a delayed result of the writers strike, but we'll see.
Well if you check the ratings, it's gone from hitting 7-8 million on average in the 2010's to about 2 million, and the last few years it's only been 1-1.5 million on average. Approaching 450 episodes. And I don't know what it's status is on the other channels that were airing reruns for ages.
Cleveland was cancelled at 3 and American Dad moved to TBS at that point (where it's gotten .6-1.... but its TBS)
King of the Hill was cancelled when it was still getting 6-8!
Simpsons is still pulling 2-5, but it's still making merchandise money.
Bob's Burgers is doing 1-1.5.
Obviously times have changed and standards are different and streaming is different so you can't really compare to 10 years ago but the entire animated block seems like it's nowhere near the powerhouse that it was... which makes sense when EVERYTHING on it has been around almost two decades. Doesn't matter how good it is, nothing holds an audience forever.
Both FG and Simpsons were renewed a couple years ago so they'll be running through 2025, but if they're not renewed in January then they won't have anything in 2026. So yeah, it's possibly the final year?
I can imagine FG negotiating for one more season to hit 500 (and since these are usually done in 2 season blocks) . SImpsons is going to be just short of 800 this year. I don't think it has another 9 seasons in it to hit 1000 unless they really switch things up or rotate out the aging cast at some point but it's had a resurgance in recent years and probably should have ended long ago so who knows? It may be an SNL thing that stays around forever.
I don't give a shit about Family Guy, I just worry for Bob's Burgers.
Still wanna gush about The Wild Robot. Learned that the story actually stuck fairly closely to the source material for a change. Also learned the books have two sequels that can be adapted so would hope this becomes a franchise. I mean, bummed that the Dreamworks Animation studio in CA seemed to have shut down so dunno how consistent the styles to a possible sequel would be…but still hopeful.
Also been vibing to the songs that did play in the movie. Usually not a fan of songs with lyrics in a film, but the one that did play was cozy, and the end credits song just hits for me.
@Nobodyman said in Non-Disney animation thread:
Don't know how many people still care about Family Guy (I think most of us have gone past hating and settled into forgetting that it even exists), but last Spring it was taken off of Fox's Sunday lineup and moved to Wednesday nights.
Some things never change.
Just saw Wild Robot. Obviously, it's a very good movie. Beautiful animation with great voice performances and a story that effectively tugs at the heart strings. I didn't know too much about it going in, other than that it was a robot-finding-its-soul story where it communes with a bunch of animals, so I wasn't always sure where it was going to go, plot-wise. I think the middle portion where Roz raises Brightbill is my favorite part.
Now here's where I get to be a curmudgeon and say that I feel the movie was a bit too hokey in its sentimentality. Honestly, I pretty much always had this fear going in based on the general premise, which sounded a smidge too saccharine for me. So yes, I suppose you could say I'm biased. But, to Chris Sanders' credit, I don't think he ever goes too far into sickeningly sweet territory and he probably told this story as well as it could have been told. And it is kind of weird that I would feel this way since Iron Giant is one of my all-time favorite animated movies. But I dunno. Something about combining the robot soul story and combining it with cutesy animals just makes it feel the slight bit disingenuous to me, whereas I think Iron Giant struck the perfect balance. Or, I dunno, maybe this kind of story just isn't for me.
So yeah, it's a good movie, but I don't think it'll go down as one of my all-time faves. Lilo and Stitch remains my favorite Chris Sanders movie (HTTYD was good, but I don't love it like a lot of other people do).
EDIT: So evidently this was the weekend for me to see movies about robots and animals since I also just saw Robot Dreams. A very different movie from Wild Robot, but still very good in its own way. It's not as ambitious in its animation or message, but it doesn't have to be. This is just a cute and very charming movie that actually creates a very captivating world given its premise. Not to mention there are some very creative fantasy sequences. Plus, any movie that has "September" in it is a winner in my book. So yeah, it's a definite recommendation.
A Stop Motion Over The Garden Wall Short will be on YouTube November 3rd
https://nerdist.com/article/over-the-garden-wall-new-10th-anniversary-stop-motion-animated-short/
Invincible Season 3 starts in February.
Oh that's great. I initially wasn't going to click on it since I've read the comics and don't need the teaser but then got bored and... wow, was that animated (or at least re-dialogued) just for the trailer? That's fun.
Lower Decks final season starts with a good roll.
The first drop of Arcane's new season hit the ground running.
Watching S2E1 now. It’s still such a banger. Excited to give thoughts once I finish part 1.
Only bummer is I learned after season 1 which characters are considered Legends from the game. Just glad I didn’t look up season 2 or new characters and know which ones might be considered Legends.
