This is such silly and immature managerial decision I really am speechless.
Honestly.
But all the tears in this topic almost justify this elaborate troll of a stream effort. People are way, way too outrageously moral these days.
This is such silly and immature managerial decision I really am speechless.
Honestly.
But all the tears in this topic almost justify this elaborate troll of a stream effort. People are way, way too outrageously moral these days.
Honestly.
But all the tears in this topic almost justify this elaborate troll of a stream effort. People are way, way too outrageously moral these days.
Is there really such a thing as being too moral:/?
Your overreactions are all hilariously laughable. You wouldn't be worried if you understood what ultimately makes the most sense from a business standpoint. In the end One Piece is all about money for Toei and Funi, however awesome it may be to the fans.
This is temporary. Chill.
@Thousand:
Is there really such a thing as being too moral:/?
Not to people who have some sense of entitlement to things they had no hand in creating, just because they've been able to get it for free for so long.
PIRATES RUINED ONE PIECE.
Also, why is the "Episode 403 subbed is out!" thread still have links to the episode? Since they're most likely part of the continuing problem?
Your overreactions are all hilariously laughable. You wouldn't be worried if you understood what ultimately makes the most sense from a business standpoint. In the end One Piece is all about money for Toei and Funi, however awesome it may be to the fans.
Finally, someone who understands business. I thought everyone here are abunch of kids acting like their freebie toy was taken… :ninja:
Worst Case Scenario is that Toei yanks the license over this.
Bye Bye DVDs, Bye Bye OP in America.
Why the hell do people think this is even a possibility? Funimation has paid for that license. Hell, funimation can GIVE One Piece away in North America if it wants to, they have the NA license.
The "Worst Case Scenario" is that Toei won't give Funimation any more unaired episodes to sub is all. And Funimation will have to start their subbing process at the same time all the fansubbers do.
I wouldn't call the reactions of people here "moral", more like "I'm being deprived of something they said they were going to give me, how dare they!" tantrum
I wouldn't call the reactions of people here "moral", more like "I'm being deprived of something they said they were going to give me, how dare they!" tantrum
It's funny, isn't it? All these moral guardians who appear as soon as it personally affects them.
Futurama Movies have been leaked a month before release
Meh, I don't care.
X-Men Origins leaked one month before release in theaters
Meh, I don't care.
One Piece 403 leaked from servers a day before release
Interesting, but I'll pass. Others can download if they want.
You realize this means Funi will pull the streams, right?
WHAT?! NOOOOOO!!!! Burn the hackers are at the stake!!!!!11!!!1!1!11
I claim no moral standing here… it's just this is a loss for both the fan community in specific, and the concept of streaming media in general.
Taking a "we're taking our ball and going home" approach, if anything, says, "The people who actually waited and tried to do the legitimate thing are the only ones who are going to suffer." Someone will make an unauthorized sub of 403. It's also a very strong "cutting off your nose to spite your face" situation-- "Because we can't have 100% of the market, we'll take 0% instead of 70%".
Furthermore, taking down ALL streams helps to reinforce the fear of transience of streaming content. Some people download fansubs because they can control them-- they can't take down a file sitting on your local PC the same way they can withdraw a stream.
I was able to watch 391 and 392 earlier in the week. If I had downloaded a fansub, I'd still be able to.
See? Screw these people at Funi. All they do is whine and bitch about copyright and play stupid games. The fansubbers should just ignore them and continue doing what they're doing. Also, I fail to see why anyone even wants this simulcast, seeing as how its inferior to fansubs in just about every way. Maybe to increase the oneline fanbase for One Piece, but fansubs have already been doing that and doing a much better job.
@Skull:
See? Screw these people at Funi. All they do is whine and bitch about copyright and play stupid games. The fansubbers should just ignore them and continue doing what they're doing.
That's the perfect attitude to have about this. I'm sure they had a contract with Toei but hey!, who cares? Right?
That's the perfect attitude to have about this. I'm sure they had a contract with Toei but hey!, who cares? Right?
All they're doing as far as the online scene is preventing people from enjoying and collecting One Piece at the highest possible quality. People have no obligation to support their stream, and I for one applaud whoever got 403 off their site and uploaded it. Hopefully people keep doing it so Funi finally decides to drop the whole thing (which is inferior to what we already have anyway) and leave the online community the hell alone. That's what I want from them.
@Skull:
All they're doing as far as the online scene is preventing people from enjoying and collecting One Piece at the highest possible quality. People have no obligation to support their stream, and I for one applaud whoever got 403 off their site and uploaded it. Hopefully people keep doing it so Funi finally decides to drop the whole thing (which is inferior to what we already have anyway) and leave the online community the hell alone. That's what I want from them.
Funny joke is all I can say to this
@Skull:
All they're doing as far as the online scene is preventing people from enjoying and collecting One Piece at the highest possible quality.
Yeah, all these fansubs getting C&Ds all over the place, it's horrible!
@Skull:
All they're doing as far as the online scene is preventing people from enjoying and collecting One Piece at the highest possible quality. People have no obligation to support their stream, and I for one applaud whoever got 403 off their site and uploaded it. Hopefully people keep doing it so Funi finally decides to drop the whole thing (which is inferior to what we already have anyway) and leave the online community the hell alone. That's what I want from them.
What I don't understand is why it's so incredibly important to have it at it's highest visual quality. If the quality were YouTube quality, I would understand the complaining, but the last time I checked it was quite a bit better than that.
You act like it's your right to download the newest One Piece episodes in HD without paying a cent for them, and then you get mad at FUNimation for giving us a legal way to watch the series without paying any money at all and not allowing you do to download the episodes in the highest quality. (Although it's possible to download them, you wouldn't want to anyways because of the "terrible" quality.)
The DVD's will be out later, and they have great quality, right? By the time they're out the quality should be really good. If the DVD's were low quality, than you might have a reason to complain, but from what I've heard they are not. In the meantime, with the Simulcast, you can enjoy the episodes as they come out, and worry about collecting and HD later. Why is it such a huge deal, anyways? Do you care more about it being in HD than watching the episode itself?
Even so, fansubs are still out there, and it doesn't look like they're actually going anywhere, no matter what happens with the status of the Simulcast.
Your overreactions are all hilariously laughable. You wouldn't be worried if you understood what ultimately makes the most sense from a business standpoint. In the end One Piece is all about money for Toei and Funi, however awesome it may be to the fans.
This is temporary. Chill.
Not to people who have some sense of entitlement to things they had no hand in creating, just because they've been able to get it for free for so long.
it MIGHT NOT be temporary
this could have been the one chance to bring and gain more One Piece fans to the series…but no.:getlost:
i have a feeling this will be
A.Funi will be given One more chance to sub just post at a different time and keep the episodes up for limited time
or
B. this was the only chance and now the chance is a loss. the whole NA Base is back to square 2:DVDs only
http://www.srsfkn.biz/2009/05/30/funimations-servers-were-compromised-right/
Funi is probably fixing their servers right now.
Hackers….lol.
Interesting article RuNa, let's see how Funi "supporters" react to that bullshit story :D
What I don't understand is why it's so incredibly important to have it at it's highest visual quality. If the quality were YouTube quality, I would understand the complaining, but the last time I checked it was quite a bit better than that.
It's also terrible compared to 1280x720 or even lower quality videos than that, and we already had 1280x720 for years now. Why should we give it up just because Funimation wants to make a terrible quality stream of just the latest episodes only that they can take down at any time? Why give up actually being able to collect and archive much higher quality videos in the name of respecting copyright? It's pointless. I like One Piece, and I like to collect it and have decently high quality videos of it. I don't see any reason to give that up just to respect Funi's ability to make money and the money they shelled out to acquire the "liscense" to distribute One Piece. Thats good for them, but I'd really like it if they didn't hamper my ability to watch and collect the episodes of the show.
You act like it's your right to download the newest One Piece episodes in HD without paying a cent for them, and then you get mad at FUNimation for giving us a legal way to watch the series without paying any money at all and not allowing you do to download the episodes in the highest quality. (Although it's possible to download them, you wouldn't want to anyways because of the "terrible" quality.)
This show is 400+ episodes long. Do you really think its fair to have to pay $40 or whatever for a handful of episodes per DVD release, for a show they probably will never be able to fully complete the releases of anyway? Or maybe you think it's fair that I should wait till I'm 50 to see the latest episodes on DVD, which if they are actually still releasing then (and they wont), wont even be the latest episodes? The only really good way to watch it and archive it so you can actually do it on your own terms (and not just whenever the company decides to have episode streams up) is fansubbers.
The DVD's will be out later, and they have great quality, right? By the time they're out the quality should be really good. If the DVD's were low quality, than you might have a reason to complain, but from what I've heard they are not. In the meantime, with the Simulcast, you can enjoy the episodes as they come out, and worry about collecting and HD later. Why is it such a huge deal, anyways? Do you care more about it being in HD than watching the episode itself?
The DVDs probably have high quality videos, yeah. Even though I hate how they translate the show and can't stand the dub. But like I already said, seeing these episodes on DVD would take decades, and thats assuming Funimation hasn't already dropped it by then. Not very practical at all.
Even so, fansubs are still out there, and it doesn't look like they're actually going anywhere, no matter what happens with the status of the Simulcast.
I really hope so. As long as there is a decent fansub group left remaining after all the other whimps cave in to cease and desists (which will probably be the result of this simulcast, which is why I'm against it), I'll be happy. Or maybe a new fansub group will show up afterwards who aren't so easily swayed and don't suck up to liscence holders like Eclipse.
I knew Skull Kid would be pulling his usual bullshit and stating that he LOVES this.
I wouldn't call the reactions of people here "moral", more like "I'm being deprived of something they said they were going to give me, how dare they!" tantrum
I got the moral impression from quotes like,
im sooo ticked right now….so close to getting legit OP
I've already expressed my philosophy on why this psychology is bad, so I won't repeat myself, but at the heart of the lolipop tantrum is the whole theme of every criticism I've made of dub supporters in this subforum -
They are people who need a reason to justify their fandom.
I knew Skull Kid would be pulling his usual bullshit and stating that he LOVES this.
I'd be singing in the rain too, but I know this isn't permanent, so it's pointless to celebrate now.
Curiously, why are you supporting this? Weren't you someone who hated VIZ Media's half-arsed translations enough to learn Japanese and read manga as it was originally intended?
I'm guessing it's because unaired episodes can be seen earlier…
Viz's Translations are shit because they fuck things up and then Edit Art to match.
FUNi were making a wonderful effort. The voice cast was amazing, the Scripts were Completely accurate to the Japanese and everything. FUNi even opted to get the more important things on Toei's list Fixed (Zolo, Loftra, etc)
All we had to put up with was your OCCASIONAL thing from Toei's list, but so far it's only been a few attacks that were used by minor characters whom you never see again (Like Kuro)
FUNimation was doing AMAZINGLY, and I'm sad that we might lose that now.
Plus… Finally, PROFESSIONAL LEVEL Subtitles... the Sabaody arc is FAR past the point Viz and 4kids were at, so there was no "List" bullshit to be had there...
Skull Kid.
You are the worst kind of fan. The worst. Bar-fucking-none.
It's not like I don't recognize or appreciate Funi's effort and all, it's just that there's only so much they can do and it's kind of too little too late to save One Piece's popularity in the states. They still did not make an effort to fix ALL the translation problems, and their approach is still very limited as far as what they can do for the series. In the mean time, abiding by their rules pretty much means I can't watch or collect One Piece past the first few expensive DVDs they released with very low episode counts.
And as for 4Kids, I never even acknowleged them to be a legitimate distributor of One Piece. If they still had the show, would people like Demon Rin and the rest still be so eager to follow copyright rules and appease them, meaning they could never see the actual show at all? I highly doubt it. Their reasons for not doing so would be legitimate and their own subjective views. I do not see any reason why things should change just because a new company has it and can release 40 or so episodes out of a 400+ episode anime on DVD. Episodes come out in Japan at a faster or pretty similar rate as Funimation is able to release DVDs, so at the rate they are going it will be impossible to catch up. And if they continued with their current DVD release format, you'd need to buy several hundred DVDs to have the full series by the time it ends. Very impractical.
Skull Kid.
You are the worst kind of fan. The worst. Bar-fucking-none.
How so? I could find tons of people who love One Piece and pretty much agree with my views, they just aren't regular members of this site. I simply want to watch and collect a show I like without any bullshit. The same way it's always been with anime and other TV shows and movies that are never properly released. Thats not a really hard concept to grasp, is it?
Viz's Translations are shit because they fuck things up and then Edit Art to match.
I agree.
FUNi were making a wonderful effort. The voice cast was amazing, the Scripts were Completely accurate to the Japanese and everything. FUNi even opted to get the more important things on Toei's list Fixed (Zolo, Loftra, etc)
A couple things with this.
First, the streams are subs, not dubs, so that's not relevant in this case.
Translation quality isn't really that important for a shounen manga. We're talking about stories that are mostly action, "nakama" doesn't have some special OP-centered deep meaning.
If this were The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya where the original work was a light novel and was written meticulously so as to layer themes, ideas and innuendo, I can understand how someone can be picky.
a.f.k. is the only really good subber for Haruhi. Them, and Mazui, but that's my personal preference.
Thirdly, OP's anime is weak anyway. FUNimation should have improved upon it like how they did with FMA, instead they're yielding to angry nerds on the internet and making a show boring to little children and annoying paced to the older audiences.
Streams = more exposure? Haha, no.
Plus… Finally, PROFESSIONAL LEVEL Subtitles... the Sabaody arc is FAR past the point Viz and 4kids were at, so there was no "List" bullshit to be had there...
Skipping ahead isn't going to suddenly attract new viewers. It didn't work with JJBA, it's not going to work here.
My idea of prime exposure is getting back on TV. If people want the dub to do well, they should be looking to television to attract the casual fan.
Oh wait, but OP doesn't appeal to the casual fan. =.= tsk, that's troublesome, isn't it.
A couple things with this.
First, the streams are subs, not dubs, so that's not relevant in this case.
If Toei plans to pull the license totally, it is.
Translation quality isn't really that important for a shounen manga. We're talking about stories that are mostly action, "nakama" doesn't have some special OP-centered deep meaning.
THANK YOU!! Sorry, somewhat off-topic, but I love when OP fans concede this.
Streams = more exposure? Haha, no.
Skipping ahead isn't going to suddenly attract new viewers. It didn't work with JJBA, it's not going to work here.
Which is Why they were doing eps from the beginning too…
The new eps were for the Long-term fans.
My idea of prime exposure is getting back on TV. If people want the dub to do well, they should be looking to television to attract the casual fan.
Oh wait, but OP doesn't appeal to the casual fan. =.= tsk, that's troublesome, isn't it.
I agree, but this was good too.
They were starting at the beginning too remember
Well, I think closing the gap does make a series more accessible. You know, if you pick up a manga or an anime, there will always be some in the fandom who are up on the latest. Whether it's the one guy in the forum who speaks Japanese and watches it via satellite, or the torrent crowd. Now you could join their discussions without going illegit or being hopelessly out of the story.
Translation quality isn't really that important for a shounen manga. We're talking about stories that are mostly action, "nakama" doesn't have some special OP-centered deep meaning.
Nakama doesn't have any special One Piece themed meaning, no, But translation quality is important for any series. Otherwise the viewer isn't going to know exactly what is going on, what attacks are used, peoples actual names and titles, what the dialog actually is and means, how things are phrased, etc.
If this were The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya where the original work was a light novel and was written meticulously so as to layer themes, ideas and innuendo, I can understand how someone can be picky.
Thirdly, OP's anime is weak anyway. FUNimation should have improved upon it like how they did with FMA, instead they're yielding to angry nerds on the internet and making a show boring to little children and annoying paced to the older audiences.
Ugh. I couldn't disagree more with your tastes in anime. One Piece is one of the most innovative, well done, creative, ambitious, and adventurous series to ever come out of Japan (up there with the likes of the original Dragon Ball and Cowboy Bebop), even if the anime does have some pacing issues. Haruhi to me is pretty much the standard fare high school setting with stupid generic anime humor type shows that are a dime a dozen. I seriously can't find a single redeeming aspect about it. Haruhi is one of the most annoying characters ever, and the rest are pretty much cookie cutter and forgettable. The show isn't funny to me in the least, and it has little else to offer as far as innovation or entertainment value. But whatever floats your boat I guess.
My idea of prime exposure is getting back on TV. If people want the dub to do well, they should be looking to television to attract the casual fan.
Oh wait, but OP doesn't appeal to the casual fan. =.= tsk, that's troublesome, isn't it.
It could theoretically appeal to the casual fan if it was aired in Japanese or given a different dub that had actual effort to restore the feeling of the original dialog with decent and appropriate acting put into it, as far as emotions, tone, drama, etc. But anime dubs rarely raise to the same quality levels as the original work, and the dubs for One Piece are no different.
Also I know a ton of people are going to argue that the current Funi dub is great and that I have no idea what I'm talking about, blah blah. I'm not interested in debating this since neither of us will change the others mind or suddenly see the dub from a different perspective.
Oh C'Mon Guys,
They're not going to pull the License.
That would only cause waaaay too much more hassle for them.
They're just gonna handle it efficiently but quietly,
Not making a big deal out of this, then they'll wait for
it to blow over And start the streams again ..
@Skull:
But translation quality is important for any series. Otherwise the viewer isn't going to know exactly what is going on, what attacks are used, peoples actual names and titles, what the dialog actually is and means, how things are phrased, etc.
You're going to get diminishing returns when it comes to translation. As long as someone doesn't totally screw up, there's not much difference between a "perfect" translation and an "accurate" translation outside the mind of a hardcore fanboy.
@Skull:
I'm sorry, but your tastes in anime disgust me. One Piece is one of the most innovative, well done, creative, ambitious, and adventurous series to ever come out of Japan, even if the anime does have pacing issues
OP is all of those things but is not a literary masterpiece. It is not trying to make a political statement about slavery. It is not trying to make a political statement about corrupt government. Nor is it advising adolescents leave home for a life of carefree adventure.
It is a fun loving fantasy adventure story.
Haruhi aims to be one step beyond that.
@Skull:
Haruhi to me is pretty much the standard fare high school setting with stupid generic anime humor type shows that are a dime a dozen. I seriously can't find a single redeeming aspect about it. Haruhi is one of the most annoying characters ever, and the rest are pretty much cookie cutter and forgettable. The show isn't funny to me in the least, and it has little else to offer as far as innovation or entertainment value. But whatever floats your boat I guess.
You're too shallow.
Sort of like someone who brushes OP off as looking "too juvenile" to be a serious story.
@Skull:
It could theoretically appeal to the casual fan if it was aired in Japanese or given a different dub that had actual effort to restore the feeling of the original dialog put into it, as far as emotions, tone, drama, etc. But anime dubs rarely raise to the same quality levels are the original work.
I felt the 4Kids dub helped OP as much as it ruined it.
Nostalgia glasses off, 4kids' dub of Pokemon was better than the original Japanese. Their dub of Yu-Gi-Oh! was sufficiently different enough to have quirks of its own, but both Japanese and English versions were equally as enjoyable.
Their version of OP was worse, but that's also due to original anime's own weaknesses.
4Kids type shows have been shown to appeal to young children in the past, provided there's a buzz. FUNimation lacks the appeal and hasn't secured a buzz.
OP's anime is inherently unable to appeal to this kind of fan. DBZ had the same problem, which is why I don't think it ever took off like Pokemon did.
@Skull:
Ugh. I couldn't disagree more with your tastes in anime. One Piece is one of the most innovative, well done, creative, ambitious, and adventurous series to ever come out of Japan (up there with the likes of the original Dragon Ball and Cowboy Bebop)
What is you smoking?
I mean if we're talking about the manga along side other series I'd let that slide but the One Piece anime on the same level as DragonBall and Cowboy Bebop?
No just no.
Nostalgia glasses off, 4kids' dub of Pokemon was better than the original Japanese. Their dub of Yu-Gi-Oh! was sufficiently different enough to have quirks of its own, but both Japanese and English versions were equally as enjoyable.
The only thing enjoyable about 4 Kids dub of Yu-Gi-Oh was some of the voice work everything else was terrible.
Oh C'Mon Guys,
They're not going to pull the License.
That would only cause waaaay too much more hassle for them.They're just gonna handle it efficiently but quietly,
Not making a big deal out of this, then they'll wait for
it to blow over And start the streams again ..
You realize people are just going to download and then upload the streams again when they restart, right? Even if most people discourage it, it only takes one person. Especially if they are putting them up in advance of the Japanese airing. No security they could use on their site is uncrackable (assuming they even do this, which they haven't in the past), and there are people out there who would go to great lengths to get the episodes early.
@Skull:
You realize people are just going to download and then upload the streams again when they restart, right? Especially if they are putting them up in advance of the Japanese airing. No security they could use on their site is uncrackable (assuming they even do this, which they haven't in the past), and there are people out there who would go to great lengths to get the episodes early.
Unless, you know, they have a decent ability of uploading the episodes to their own server and they just upload it during that half hour between the end of the Japanese airing and the hour goal. (Why didn't they do that? It makes the hour wait explainable.)
Because people can't download it if it isn't on their server yet.
To be honest, I feel for you guys and all, really I do,
But I don't really care myself about this at all …
I guess I'll just stick around to see how things
pan out for you guys that WANT this, and wish you the best !
@Skull:
You realize people are just going to download and then upload the streams again when they restart, right? Even if most people discourage it, it only takes one person. Especially if they are putting them up in advance of the Japanese airing. No security they could use on their site is uncrackable (assuming they even do this, which they haven't in the past), and there are people out there who would go to great lengths to get the episodes early.
at least its not a password/sign up service or a .99 a video.
we all need to be patient now..until we hear some update or news about this
You're going to get diminishing returns when it comes to translation. As long as someone doesn't totally screw up, there's not much difference between a "perfect" translation and an "accurate" translation outside the mind of a hardcore fanboy.
I have seen plenty of horrible translations for One Piece and plenty of decent ones. The translation in any show can make a huge difference, and there have been many "total screw ups" as you call them and parts left completely untranslated in several cases.
OP is all of those things but is not a literary masterpiece. It is not trying to make a political statement about slavery. It is not trying to make a political statement about corrupt government. Nor is it advising adolescents leave home for a life of carefree adventure.
It is a fun loving fantasy adventure story.
I never claimed it to be a masterpiece. Nothing anime related is. But your criteria for what qualifies something to be art or a masterpiece as you want to call it seems pretty rigid and shallow. Art as a concept is completely subjective.
Haruhi aims to be one step beyond that.
One step beyond that as far as what? What to you is so special about it? It relies on the viewer thinking Haruhi's character is clever and funny and is completely full of itself. It doesn't have any deep character development, any great story to tell, any style or ideas that go beyond the norm. It's pretty much just standard high school comedy fare with an annoying cult following. I suppose your going to tell me crap like Lucky Star is some kind of great work and me not recognizing it makes me "shallow" or whatever next?
You're too shallow.
Sort of like someone who brushes OP off as looking "too juvenile" to be a serious story.
I never brushed off Haruhi. I sat through as much as I needed to to form an opinion on it and have seen many scenes from many different episodes. Again, please tell me what the heck I'm supposed to be looking for in this series that is supposedly so great. Even stuff that I would consider just one step above mediocre like Bleach or Naruto is far better to me than this.
I felt the 4Kids dub helped OP as much as it ruined it.
Besides simply showing it off to a western audience and getting them acquainted with the name (in a negative way), it did absolutely nothing to help One Piece. If a decent dub company who knew how to dub in a serious manner had gotten the liscense from the beginning, things might of turned out completely different as far as the shows popularity.
Nostalgia glasses off, 4kids' dub of Pokemon was better than the original Japanese.
After actually seeing the original Japanese version of Pokemon and how it can actually take itself seriously as a show rather than something aimed at just five year olds, I couldn't disagree with you more. The same goes for Digimon.
Their dub of Yu-Gi-Oh! was sufficiently different enough to have quirks of its own, but both Japanese and English versions were equally as enjoyable.
I could find and know of hords of Yu Gi Oh fans who would flame you to hell for suggesting this, even though I'm not a fan of either verison of the show myself. 4Kids completely butchered it.
Their version of OP was worse, but that's also due to original anime's own weaknesses.
Their version was worse because they took an actually legitimate show with drama and depth and made a joke dub out of it, completely changing the entire feel and intended content of the show. You saying that this had anything to do with the originals supposed "weaknesses" is pretty much just your bias. Regardless of how you view the original, 4Kids didn't leave hardly any aspect of the original show intact and pretty much just made their own thing out of it. So the original shows "weaknesses" never even came into play because hardly anything related to the original show was even there.
4Kids type shows have been shown to appeal to young children in the past, provided there's a buzz. FUNimation lacks the appeal and hasn't secured a buzz.
The point of dubbing a foriegn language show isn't to change it to get it to appeal to a different audience. It's to show off the original version as accurately as possible. 4Kids failed to do this with pretty much every single show they did.
OP's anime is inherently unable to appeal to this kind of fan. DBZ had the same problem, which is why I don't think it ever took off like Pokemon did.
One Piece is not aimed at American five year olds, which is pretty much the audience 4Kids tried to change it to match. And even among the shows aimed at American five year olds, 4Kids One Piece is still pretty far down on the quality totem pole. Have you ever seen New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh? Now theres what a decent little kids show should be like.
Now there's some great little kids animation with actual effort and heart put into it.
And as far as DBZ not being successful, are you serious? It was one of the most successful animes in history, both inside and outside of Japan.
What is you smoking?
I mean if we're talking about the manga along side other series I'd let that slide but the One Piece anime on the same level as DragonBall and Cowboy Bebop?
No just no.
Other than the pacing and lazy work by Toei as of late, yes it is on the same level. A lot of the directing, emotion, drama, and style of the show, as well as the dedication to keeping the feel of it close to the manga, is absolutely incredible. I'd like to see any episode of Dragonball that rivals Drum Island, Water 7, or the better parts of Arabasta as far as quality of the work and presentation. Also when I say Dragonball I mean the original with kid Goku, as Dragonball Z is decent but not anywhere near as good as the original to me. Although my statement still applies to both.
Viz's Translations are shit because they fuck things up and then Edit Art to match.
What art editing exactly are we talking about here?
To my knowledge the only thing that was ever really changed was L/Rougetown (which was during the time when 4kids had the show, so thats behind us) and Ace's tattoo, WHICH by the way, was kept in the Graphic Novel (with an editor's note about the manji/swastika dealie). Even clevages in Alabasta were kept IIRC so….
What art editing exactly are we talking about here?
To my knowledge the only thing that was ever really changed was…
Editing art is editing art…
@Skull:
The point of dubbing a foriegn language show isn't to change it to get it to appeal to a different audience. It's to show off the original version as accurately as possible. 4Kids failed to do this with pretty much every single show they did.
Alot of dubbers must flat out ignore that since you have a lot of dubs out there that aren't even on the same wavelength as the original.
What art editing exactly are we talking about here?
To my knowledge the only thing that was ever really changed was L/Rougetown (which was during the time when 4kids had the show, so thats behind us) and Ace's tattoo, WHICH by the way, was kept in the Graphic Novel (with an editor's note about the manji/swastika dealie). Even clevages in Alabasta were kept IIRC so….
I've heard of a few, but oen that comes to mind was the removal of a character being crucified in the FMA manga. They changed the cross to just a lump of rock which looked off as hell.
It's not a regular occurance, though, but they do do it from time to time.
I read this and got annoyed then realised i live in the uk and this doesnt effect me that much anyway! lol im wondering if anybody will ever get round to releasing the DVD's or airing the series in the uk?
@Skull:
I have seen plenty of horrible translations for One Piece and plenty of decent ones. The translation in any show can make a huge difference, and there have been many "total screw ups" as you call them and parts left completely untranslated in several cases.
Of course there are horrible translations around. But there's really no reason to read them because the people who make them aren't even real translators anyway.
When it comes to "good" ones there's hardly any difference, because it's not deep dialogue.
And as far as untranslated parts go, that's because of the fans, not because of the translator.
@Skull:
I never claimed it to be a masterpiece.
lol
Yet, it's "one of the most innovative, well done, creative, ambitious, and adventurous series to ever come out of Japan"?
@Skull:
But your criteria for what qualifies something to be art or a masterpiece as you want to call it seems pretty rigid and shallow.
@Skull:
Nothing anime related is.
derp
@Skull:
One step beyond that as far as what? What to you is so special about it? It relies on the viewer thinking Haruhi's character is clever and funny and is completely full of itself. It doesn't have any deep character development, any great story to tell, any style or ideas that go beyond the norm. It's pretty much just standard high school comedy fare with an annoying cult following. I suppose your going to tell me crap like Lucky Star is some kind of great work and me not recognizing it makes me "shallow" or whatever next?
Maybe you should watch the rest of the anime or read the novels. Since you're so gun-ho about quality translations, the latter would probably be a good option. Some of the best translators in international Japanese media circles contributed to it.
@Skull:
I never brushed off Haruhi.
Oh, so you found a "redeeming aspect" in the anime after all!
@Skull:
Even stuff that I would consider just one step above mediocre like Bleach or Naruto is far better to me than this.
A good place to start would be to read the monologues instead of looking at Mikuru's breasts or Haruhi's legs.
No, seriously.
The second series will flesh out the story a lot more than the first. Luckily, it just started, so I hope you have a year to follow the developments.
@Skull:
Besides simply showing it off to a western audience and getting them acquainted with the name (in a negative way), it did absolutely nothing to help One Piece. If a decent dub company who knew how to dub in a serious manner had gotten the liscense from the beginning, things might of turned out completely different as far as the shows popularity.
Nobody except bitter internet nerds remember the dub. Most new OP fans don't even recognize any of the jokes in "One Piece of Crap".
@Skull:
how it can actually take itself seriously as a show
Because glorified cockfighting is such serious business, right?
@Skull:
I could find and know of hords of Yu Gi Oh fans who would flame you to hell for suggesting this
Japanophiles pissing their pants over American localization?
What else is new.
@Skull:
4Kids completely butchered it.
It's entertaining. That's all that matters.
Too many people these days are so superficial over things being AUTHENTICALLY JAPANESE they forget anime is an imitation of American comic book style anyway.
I honestly don't even know if the hobby itself is entertaining to people or the fact that they have a hobby is the entertaining part.
@Skull:
Their version was worse because they took an actually legitimate show with drama and depth and made a joke dub out of it
Cue Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law.
@Skull:
completely changing the entire feel and intended content of the show.
Because you watch dubs to get the original "feel and intended content" right.
@Skull:
You saying that this had anything to do with the originals supposed "weaknesses" is pretty much just your bias.
Dear gosh, I have an opinion.
Someone notify the authorities.
@Skull:
Regardless of how you view the original, 4Kids didn't leave hardly any aspect of the original show intact and pretty much just made their own thing out of it.
hmmm
Japan
Card games
Over-the-top dialogue
Dragons
Drama and tension
Plot twists
Guns, beer, and cigarettes
☐ Shadow Realm
America
Card games
Over-the-top dialogue
Dragons
Drama and tension
Plot twists
☐ Guns, beer, and cigarettes
Shadow Realm
I don't see much of a difference.
@Skull:
So the original shows "weaknesses" never even came into play because hardly anything related to the original show was even there.
Have you even heard of Robotech and even if you have, do you know why it's more popular than all the shows that went into it combined?
@Skull:
The point of dubbing a foriegn language show isn't to change it to get it to appeal to a different audience. It's to show off the original version as accurately as possible.
No, it's to make a show as marketable as possible.
The fact that FUNimation is subscribing so hard to OP purists is a clear sign they don't feel the series is as marketable as everyone says it is.
Here's a little secret.
! Catering to otaku is what Japanese companies do when they're in financial straights. No surprise it was GONZO who affiliated itself with FUNimation and CrunchyRoll, neh?
@Skull:
4Kids failed to do this with pretty much every single show they did.
They made more money than FUNimation ever did.
I guess that makes them a bigger success.
@Skull:
One Piece is not aimed at American five year olds, which is pretty much the audience 4Kids tried to change it to match.
No, it's aimed for Japanese five year olds.
@Skull:
And as far as DBZ not being successful, are you serious? It was one of the most successful anime shows in history, both inside and outside of Japan.
You should really talk to omae no kaasan about this, because while he'd agree DBZ was fairly big in the 90's, it was not the hottest show ever and fads in the 80's pretty much eclipsed anything anime has done in the 90's except Pokemon.
I just hope this decision doesn´t stop Viz for updating One piece to the current arc…
I was introduced to one piece thanks to Viz, also i think is the best translation around.
Oh well. Damn. Was looking forward to it. Back to Watch One Piece. =/ When they re-upload, I'll watch. Till then, guess I have to do it illegally.
I'll leave all this drama llama to the companies involved. XD
Companies could rent office space in Terek's posts…
Hey now, I didn't start this. =V
I approve of the funniness of this situation.