@Kairouseki:
Haxeye is basically quoting something that silvers posted. Monkey D Nami, you're basically saying the complete opposite of that source. He said that Haki has an incredibly deep meaning to people from Asia and you're basically refuting this. It's getting a little confusing.
Urouge also quoted someone who said the same thing.
Urouge's cool though 
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@Monkey:
There is no 4th or 5th. But all right.
This is just you throwing meanings (connotations) all over haki that were never there in the beginning, and it makes it sorely obvious that you have little to no knowledge in Japanese. There is no connotation to this word. 覇気 is simply a word with the kanji, 気, in it.
That's what you say, and here is what others say
覇気 (haki in Japanese, ba hey in Cantonese) is simply the 'force' felt through intimidation. Its not a complicated concept, though it is abstract. For example, if we were all sitting in a hospital, and a huge man with tatoos and a shaven head walks through the door, then we would possibly feel intimidated by him. Thats all 'haki' is, nothing more.
So what is the truth? I'll repost the thread where this comes from.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=69858&page=3
The problem is that in english ambition is probably as close as we can come to a single real word trans for haki but at the same time it lacks the air of dominance/presence aspect of it. That's what makes ambition just seem lame as a trans.
The problem is that in english ambition is probably as close as we can come to a single real word trans for haki but at the same time it lacks the air of dominance/presence aspect of it. That's what makes ambition just seem lame as a trans.
Since you mentioned dictionaries before, I've pulled out a Japanese dictionary to find the Japanese haki's definition and not the English ambition's definition.
は‐き【覇気】 
１ 物事に積極的に取り組もうとする意気込み。
２ 人の上に立とうとする強い意志。野心。野望。
Just to clarify:
haki (haki)
1. The spirit to take on something proactively and with everything.
2. A strong will to stand above people. Yashin (ambition, aspiration, designs, treachery). Yabou (ambition, aspiration, designs, treachery).
That sounds a lot like: am⋅bi⋅tion
–noun
EDIT:_ @wintergt:
That's what you say, and here is what others say
覇気 (haki in Japanese, ba hey in Cantonese) is simply the 'force' felt through intimidation. Its not a complicated concept, though it is abstract. For example, if we were all sitting in a hospital, and a huge man with tatoos and a shaven head walks through the door, then we would possibly feel intimidated by him. Thats all 'haki' is, nothing more.
The definition from the Japanase dictionary is the truth up there. Not more of your connotations.
@Monkey:
Since you mentioned dictionaries, I've pulled out a Japanese dictionary to find the Japanese haki's definition and not the English ambition's definition.
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Just to clarify:
haki (haki)
1. The spirit to take on something proactively and with everything.
2. A strong will to stand above people. Yashin (ambition, aspiration, designs, treachery). Yabou (ambition, aspiration, designs, treachery).
That sounds a lot like: am?bi?tion
–noun
- an earnest desire for some type of achievement or distinction, as power, honor, fame, or wealth, and the willingness to strive for its attainment: T_oo much ambition caused him to be disliked by his colleagues._
- the object, state, or result desired or sought after: The crown was his ambition.
- desire for work or activity; energy: I awoke feeling tired and utterly lacking in ambition.
So in english to be ambitious you have to have a strong will to stand above others? So I guess you can't have ambition to be a veterinarian or something mundane huh? No wait you can. That's partly what's missing when haki is translated as ambition but there's also that multiple people have said that haki also includes an intimidating presence. I don't know if that's connotation of haki or if there are definitions that include that but it's totally lacking from ambition.
@Monkey:
1. The spirit to take on something proactively and with everything.
- an earnest desire for some type of achievement or distinction, as power, honor, fame, or wealth, and the willingness to strive for its attainment
Except that's the definition right there.
_1. The spirit to take on something proactively and with everything.
2. A strong will to stand above people. Yashin (ambition, aspiration, designs, treachery). Yabou (ambition, aspiration, designs, treachery)._
Becoming a veterinarian if you want it bad enough would make it a distinction but how would that coincide with a desire or will to stand above others?
@Monkey:
That's the truth up there. Not more connotations.
Well the "force" felt through intimidation is not present in the word "ambition" so I wouldn't say that is the best translation.
Talking anime for a second here, it probably would have been easier to leave it untranslated like Funi did, but Kubusubs went with "ambition" and yibis with "willpower", I definately prefer yibis' approach.
So in english to be ambitious you have to have a strong will to stand above others? So I guess you can't have ambition to be a veterinarian or something mundane huh? No wait you can.
1. The spirit to take on something proactively and with everything.
@HaxeyeMihawk:
That's partly what's missing when haki is translated as ambition
but there's also that multiple have said that haki also includes an intimidating presence.
Except that's the definition right there.
_1. The spirit to take on something proactively and with everything.
2. A strong will to stand above people. Yashin (ambition, aspiration, designs, treachery). Yabou (ambition, aspiration, designs, treachery)._ @wintergt:
Well the "force" felt through intimidation is not present in the word "ambition" so I wouldn't say that is the best translation.
So you're not afraid of the big gorilla man coming into the office? You don't know what he wants - you don't know his ambition - and that doesn't frighten you maybe a little?
This is the exact same word, it's just that haki is Japanese, and ambition is English.
Well the "force" felt through intimidation is not present in the word "ambition" so I wouldn't say that is the best translation.
And again in english ambition isn't limited to having to want to stand above others, otherwise I guess you could only be considered ambitious if you want to be a leader.
@Monkey:
So you're not afraid of the big gorilla man coming into the office? You don't know what he wants - you don't know his ambition - and that doesn't frighten you maybe a little?
This is the exact same word, it's just that haki is Japanese, and ambition is English.
Except we don't use Ambition there in english! Maybe, like my knowledge of japanese is lacking, your knowledge of english is lacking? Or how can you think it makes sense to use ambition in that sentence?
Except we don't use Ambition there in english! Maybe, like my knowledge of japanese is lacking, your knowledge of english is lacking? Or how can you think it makes sense to use ambition in that sentence?
It's not supposed to.
@HaxeyeMihawk:
Becoming a veterinarian if you want it bad enough would make it a distinction but how would that coincide a desire or will to stand above others?
You just answered yourself. Here.
@HaxeyeMihawk:
Becoming a veterinarian if you want it bad enough
how would that coincide a desire or will
If your ambition is to become a veterinarian, you obviously have the desire, and will to become it, you probably think it's a great goal for whatever reason. Maybe mommy was one, and she saved your kitty. It doesn't necessarily mean in English that you want to be over other people, but you do want this rank, this fame or honor. And that is, in a way, being over others in knowledge of animal biology and doctoring.
I'm not going to the vet, but it's the doctor at any rate, so I need to go now.
@Monkey:
It's not supposed to.
You just answered yourself. Here.
If your ambition is to become a veterinarian, you obviously have the desire, and will to become it, you probably think it's a great goal for whatever reason. Maybe mommy was one, and she saved your kitty. It doesn't necessarily mean in English that you want to be over other people, but you do want this rank, this fame or honor. And that is, in a way, being over others in knowledge of animal biology and doctoring.
I'm not going to the vet, but it's the doctor at any rate, so I need to go now.
But the definition you gave clearly said a desire to stand above others.
@Monkey:
It's not supposed to.
Alright, can we sum it up like this then:
English ambition: you want to achieve something
Japanese ambition: you want to achieve something, you want to stand above others, you intimidate
What we have seen haki do in the manga, besides making arrows explode and giving the ability to predict and deflect attacks, is this intimidation. Intimidate a sea king, a bull, make warriors fall unconscious. All of that makes no sense with the english connotations of the word 'ambition'.
You guys are being stupidly picky. How many translations do you think are 100% perfect the way that they were meant to sound to Japanese people? I'm way too lazy to find and make a list, but there are plenty of words that are "loosely" translated to English at best.
I'm not a huge fan of "ambition" myself, but it's well within the realm of acceptability.
While we're at translation arguments why not leave the Japanese word order? "I pirate king am going to be!" I mean it's more faithful right 
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Before I go, I must fix this.
@wintergt:
Alright, can we sum it up like this then:
English ambition: you want to achieve something
Japanese ambition: you want to achieve something, you want to stand above others**, you intimidate**
You guys are being stupidly picky. How many translations do you think are 100% perfect the way that they were meant to sound to Japanese people? I'm way too lazy to find and make a list, but there are plenty of words that are "loosely" translated to English at best.
And I already said it's as good as it'll get to english with a single word but people are arguing as if it is a 1:1 translation, all I did was point out what it's missing and since in english weaklings and failures can be ambitious the word just seems lame for an ability that we've seen in OP be used mostly by tough/revered people.
But the definition you gave clearly said a desire to stand above others.
Haki: the spirit to take on something proactively and with everything.
Ambition: an earnest desire for some type of achievement or distinction and the willingness to strive for its attainment.
Haki: A strong will to stand above people.
Ambition: an earnest desire for […] power, honor, fame, or wealth. the […] state […] desired or sought after: the crown was his ambition. @wintergt:
What we have seen haki do in the manga, besides making arrows explode and giving the ability to predict and deflect attacks, is this intimidation. Intimidate a sea king, a bull, make warriors fall unconscious. All of that makes no sense with the English connotations of the word 'ambition'.
You mean, what we have seen it do besides everything we have seen it do? Predict, increase defense, increase power, allow contact, allow people to knock out with foam at the mouth. How do any of these fit the Japanese definition or "connotation"? There is a cultural significance that comes into play, and that is "intimidation". That intimidation is then exaggerated ten fold to make people pass out and foam at the mouth. This is all assuming, of course, that it is mere intimidation that is knocking them out and not something else Oda has yet to completely flesh out. We might not use ambition with the same connotations, but that has more to do with cultural differences than anything else.
And I already said it's as good as it'll get to English with a single word but people are arguing as if it is a 1:1 translation, all I did was point out what it's missing and since in English weaklings and failures can be ambitious the word just seems lame for an ability that we've seen in OP be used mostly by tough/revered people.
I'm pretty sure failures and weaklings in Japan can still have "haki". I have never seen the word separated for people who are more capable or successful than others.
Kingbition will increase your peener size.
You guys are being stupidly picky. How many translations do you think are 100% perfect the way that they were meant to sound to Japanese people? I'm way too lazy to find and make a list, but there are plenty of words that are "loosely" translated to English at best.
I'm not a huge fan of "ambition" myself, but it's well within the realm of acceptability.
It'll be more confusing than anything to the viewers, which is no doubt why funi decided not to translate it. Funi who I am sure translates nakama and soru. Yibis atleast went with "willpower", which will make more sense to the viewers, considering what haki does in the one piece world.
@Kairouseki:
While we're at translation arguments why not leave the Japanese word order? "I pirate king am going to be!" I mean it's more faithful right
This only applies to attacks and special abilities (apparently). You should read one of the funi threads in the anime section they have a whole argument over "gear second" vs "second gear"
@Monkey:
Before I go, I must fix this.
Now it seems like you're contradicting yourself.. where did the whole "ha=dominance ki=air" (aura of dominance) connotation go to then? You even said you agreed with a few posts up.
@brennen.exe:
We might not use ambition with the same connotations, but that has more to do with cultural differences than anything else.
That's the whole point.
This only applies to attacks and special abilities (apparently). You should read one of the funi threads in the anime section they have a whole argument over "gear second" vs "second gear"
Yes, I took place in that argument. I think it should be left Gear Second.
Haki: the spirit to take on something proactively and with everything.
Ambition: an earnest desire for some type of achievement or distinction and the willingness to strive for its attainment.Haki: A strong will to stand above people.
Ambition: an earnest desire for […] power, honor, fame, or wealth. the […] state […] desired or sought after: he crown was his ambition. You mean, what we have seen it do besides everything we have seen it do? Predict, increase defense, increase power, allow contact, allow people to knock out with foam at the mouth. How do any of these fit the Japanese definition or "connotation"? There is a cultural significance that comes into play, and that is "intimidation". That intimidation is then exaggurated ten fold to make people pass out and foam at the mouth. This is all assuming, of course, that it is mere intimidation that is knocking them out and not something else Oda has yet to completely flesh out. We might not use ambition with the same connotations, but that has more to do with cultural differences than anything else.
And I read those definitions my point is that the will to stand above others isn't necessary for something to be considered an ambition in english, in english if your life goal was to be a veterinarian it could be called your ambition but what I'm getting from the japanese definition is that there are no such things as low level, humble ambitions and that haki would be used more sparingly. Then when you consider the conotations of haki (the dominating air/presence) it just seems that haki is much more elite than ambition.
And I'm not trying to get super picky about this but I think this elite/rare dominating air/presence aspect of haki seems to be important storywise. Take Coby for example, he has a great lofty dream but he lacks the dominating air/presence and confidence that Luffy has and that Luffy has likely increased over time through fights and his adventures but what (other than a plot device) has led to Luffy having haoshoku but others that strive for basically equally lofty dreams like the other supernovas and Coby don't have it? What's the determining factor for haki in OP? if we don't know it can we really start eliminating even the connotations of haki?
And given how Shanks basically just walked aboard the Moby Dick and his mere presence was enough to damage the ship and K.O some of WB's crew, along with the instant K.O being basically just a stern look, I think that the connotations of haki involving the dominating air/presence are key to understanding it in OP.
Now it seems like you're contradicting yourself.. where did the whole "ha=dominance ki=air" (aura of dominance) connotation go to then? You even said you agreed with a few posts up.
No, I said that the actual definition of haki was correct.
は‐き【覇気】
１ 物事に積極的に取り組もうとする意気込み。２ 人の上に立とうとする強い意志。野心。野望。
Just to clarify:
haki (haki)
1. The spirit to take on something proactively and with everything.
2. A strong will to stand above people. Yashin (ambition, aspiration, designs, treachery). Yabou (ambition, aspiration, designs, treachery).
That sounds a lot like: am⋅bi⋅tion
–noun
- an earnest desire for some type of achievement or distinction, as power, honor, fame, or wealth, and the willingness to strive for its attainment: T_oo much ambition caused him to be disliked by his colleagues._
- the object, state, or result desired or sought after: The crown was his ambition.
- desire for work or activity; energy: I awoke feeling tired and utterly lacking in ambition. Not your forced connotations.
I said: "覇気 (haki in Japanese, ba hey in Cantonese) is simply the 'force' felt through intimidation. Its not a complicated concept, though it is abstract. For example, if we were all sitting in a hospital, and a huge man with tatoos and a shaven head walks through the door, then we would possibly feel intimidated by him. Thats all 'haki' is, nothing more."
You replied to this: "That's the truth up there."
And then you decide to scrap the intimidation factor anyway. So which is it?
It doesn't say that any more just so you can better understand. Please, go back and read it again, and tell me if you still do not understand.
But no, I never agreed with that.
Well simply put the english ambition doesn't have haki's connotation, and it's clear that Oda has used the dominant air/presence connotation of the word as seen from Shanks just knocking out some of WB's crewmates just through presence alone.
@Monkey:
It doesn't say that any more just so you can better understand. Please, go back and read it again, and tell me if you still do not understand.
But no, I never agreed with that.
You're quoting a dictionnary. But some people on the animesuki forums say the following:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1821714#post1821714
To the western world Haki is something that's not properly understood, even in this thread. Simply because there's no single word that describes Haki well enough. But to us East Asians, Japanese and Chinese, the words Haki is an instantly understood term. It is a term that is Asian in origin and loosely phrased and understood in the Western world.
What Haki really is and means:
The words Ha and Ki, meaning 'dominate' and 'air'. Together you can make out something like 'air of dominance/atmosphere of fear' or better phrased, 'Aura of dominance/supremacy' or 'Aura of fear/terror'.
So let me ask you, are you asian? Are they lying?
You're quoting a dictionnary.
I translated a Japanese dictionary entry, and compared it to the English Ambition dictionary entry. It's almost exactly the same.
@wintergt:
So let me ask you, are you asian? Are they lying?
How do you know if they're lying or not?
It seems plausible that yes, this is a cultural Asian thing.
But is haki the Japanese word that encompasses this "phenomenon"?
Or is the person you quoted just making things up?
@dirt:
wait wait wait
you think haki is a phrase?
get out right now
Okay my bad. I meant it as it's two parts. Excuse my mistake.
It's two japanese characters, not one. I meant it that way.
My point was that "ambition" is a single part that means what it means. Haki is two parts that could hint at other stuff if you crack it down into its two separate parts (dominant air/aura or dominant ki, however you wanna take it)
@Monkey:
How do you know if they're lying or not?
It seems plausible that yes, this is a cultural Asian thing.
But is haki the Japanese word that encompasses this "phenomenon"?
Or is the person you quoted just making things up?
Well there's two different (asian) people in that thread, who even argue with each-other over other points, but both say that haki has the intimidation factor. Now, all you did was pull out a dictionnary.
Tell me this, if it was as easy and straightforward as translating it to "ambition", because there are no connotations that get lost in translation anyway, why did funi decide to not translate it at all?
Tell me this, if it was as easy and straightforward as translating it to "ambition", because there are no connotations that get lost in translation anyway, why did funi decide to not translate it at all?
They didn't, Toei did. FUNi's Translator Mato decided on "Ambition".
Toei told them to change it.
This change Brought to you by Toei, the same people who originally wanted FUNi to use "Zolo". The Same people who Wanted FUNi to use "Loftra" instead of "Shandora", and "Wyler" instead of "Wiper" in Skypiea (FUNi became allowed to use Shandora in the Uncuts, but it's still "Loftra" in the edited one for Absolutely no reason.) They also originally wanted Chopper's Points to remain "Boosts", and Their list caused None of Kuro's attacks to be translated properly, as well as Their List forcing FUNi to translate "Shark On Gear" as "Shark Tooth Drill".
Not to MENTION that because of Toei, The Simulcast Lists "Paramecia" as "Paramythia" among other things.
Yes, Let's Trust THEM.
Zoro is Zolo now, Toei said so.
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Ah so the actual japanese folk over at Toei decided haki shouldn't be translated, probably because none of our english words have the exact meaning it has in japanese. Well that clears it up.
Ah so the actual japanese folk over at Toei decided haki shouldn't be translated, probably because none of our english words have the exact meaning it has in japanese. Well that clears it up.
Nah, They also Left "Deku" Untranslated in their online Subs for Fist of the North Star.
Deku doesn't mean anything special whatsoever, it means "Puppets". The Deku in the show are people whose bodies are being controlled.
Toei clearly don't know what they're doing. They wanted "Zolo", they wanted "Paramythia" instead of "Paramecia" and they were the reason that Arlong's Attacks were changed, and they were originally SAID IN ENGLISH!! ("Shark on Gear" was changed to "Shark Tooth Drill")
Trusting Toei on this matter would be stupid.
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Deku, maybe it also had hidden connotations? I mean, they seem to translate pretty much everything (or atleast a lot more than your average fansubber). And has Oda ever given an official romanization of paramecia? The zolo thing is strange tho, were they afraid to infringe on the "zoro" trademark maybe?
Deku, maybe it also had hidden connotations? I mean, they seem to translate pretty much everything (or atleast a lot more than your average fansubber). And has Oda ever given an official romanization of paramecia? The zolo thing is strange tho, were they afraid to infringe on the "zoro" trademark maybe?
No, Deku is a "Wooden Doll/Puppet", literally just that.
Paramecia is an actual word, that's where Oda got it from, and Yea, they wanted Zolo because 4kids went with Zolo, and they think all the terms 4kids used were JUST fine.
There really is no more to say, all I have to say is, Toei told FUNi to translate "Shark On Gear" as "Shark Tooth Drill". Shark On Gear was ALREADY in English.
Toei don't know what they're doing. Enough said.
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I don't see this raging stupidity that you seem to be hinting at. Some attack name alterations, a few suggestions that never made it in,.. and isn't paramecia just a name that Oda made up, instead of an actual word. Otherwise it would be weird we never tried to translate it!
I don't see this raging stupidity that you seem to be hinting at. Some attack name alterations, a few suggestions that never made it in,.. and isn't paramecia just a name that Oda made up, instead of an actual word. Otherwise it would be weird we never tried to translate it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramecium
It's already an English word.
Toei doesn't know what they're doing, ask anyone who's kept up with this.
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So a paramecium is a one-celled organism. Is that what Oda is going for? (seems odd, more likely Oda tried to make up a word with some latin or greek) When I type logia in wikipedia, it says these are writings by Jesus…
edit: probably getting very offtopic here :/
So a paramecium is a one-celled organism. Is that what Oda is going for? (seems odd, more likely Oda tried to make up a word with some latin or greek) When I type logia in wikipedia, it says these are writings by Jesus…
edit: probably getting very offtopic here :/
Everyone with any sense of propriety and knowledge in the subject of Japanese, please, I must inform you. This person I am quoting is in fact a moron waving their hand in front of their face at all times, SCREAMING, "i cants read or understand basical english words and sentences!!! it just dun make sense!"
Thank you for your time.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
Ouch^
Yeah but seriously as I've said before I think Oda is using a lot of the connotative meanings behind haki and the fact that the english word ambition lacks those is what makes it sound so lame.
So it's that time of the month for you huh.. anyway I'll have to reread when I'm not hung over and high anymore to see if it has any merit.
when I'm not hung over and high
Ladies and gentlemen, as soon as wintergt leaves the thread for good, you may begin talking about the translation of haki once more.
Thank you, and I'm sorry that he is wasting your time.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
Hmm although i´m in favor of not translating it i would say that "presence" makes the most sense and brings the meaning behind haki the best across. I have to agree that ambition simply sounds not right although it might be the closest literal translation.
@dirt:
Ladies and gentlemen, as soon as wintergt leaves the thread for good, you may begin talking about the translation of haki once more.
Thank you, and I'm sorry that he is wasting your time.
What's with the theatrics? What I said is just today, I'm not at my place atm. My point still stands tho.. unless an actual japanese person can come and deny the "intimidation" connotation in the haki word.
Main points:
1. Toei wanted Haki to be left untranslated.
2. Toei also wanted Zolo, Paramythia, Deku (in HNK), Loftra, etc
3. Toei is full of shit and should not be trusted for translations
@Kairouseki:
Main points:
1. Toei wanted Haki to be left untranslated.
2. Toei also wanted Zolo, Paramythia, Deku (in HNK), Loftra, etc
3. Toei is full of shit and should not be trusted for translations
aw, i likes you again
:wub:
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I'm not sure if Brennen.exe and Demon Rin argument / debating are already conclude as I'm only at page 15 before I decided to join this site. I just want to share some of my thought about this matter.
For once, Haki is not a technique. However, it can be apply into an object, or a body (basically any attack) that will later being seen as a technique. What I'm trying to say is, Haki doesn't originate to be a technique but once it was apply to something in particular, it can be sees as a technique. I understand why some people wants to look at it as a technique, but as I said, it can be apply, to becomes and be used as a technique. It's a spiritual or a personality traits things, and kind of hard to pinpoint the exact word for it when people are looking for something more physical.
I think I understand why people are debating about the choice of "Ambition" to be the word that describes Haki and whether Haki should be translated or not. I myself happen to comes from what Demon Rin referred as "Japanese fans" as in, I read from the original (and licensed) source whereas others read from scanlators material. Haki is a common word in Japan. Still, that doesn't mean every Japanese knows what it means or used it in regular conversation. It's more like there are nothing unusual about the word, it just like the way English speaker read the word "Ambition". We look at it as an ordinary word, but somehow, we are having a feeling the word actually have a deeper meaning to it. I also read other countries that licensed One Piece manga and they doesn't used the word "Haoushoku Haki". Instead, they translates the word into the country language. If the word was translated into English, it would be "Dominating aura" or "Conquering Aura". Note, this is coming from license product, which mean the translator is a professional translator and they also have a professional proof read in comparison to the online source most people have that comes from fans translating for others, and choose to translates everything in less professionally manner (I'm not attacking or degrading them just for the record).
This is probably the reason why the choice of word "Ambitions" seems confusing to the normal English speaker. Being ambitious simply means people wants to achieve something and this doesn't mean they want to achieve something positive, solid or visible to other eyes. The term can covered a lot of things. I don't really mind if the word Haki are not translated, but there should be some sort of translator note that will explain the meaning, and usage of the word. I think people are already getting used to referred it as Haki instead of reading it in a common way like most Japanese does so yeah, I guess it's alright to stick to it. The only thing it need is a definition or a translator note to avoid confusion.
I also think what Demon Rin is trying to point out about Luffy having the Ambition of King is due to the fact Luffy has the desire, or a strong will to becomes a King. Being a King pretty much describes that a person is going to dominate and conquer something in particular. Even though Luffy already makes a statements that he doesn't want to rules / conquer the sea, that doesn't detract from the fact that once he becomes a King, he will, have the image of conquering or dominating everyone that wants to becomes a King. I noticed there are some people on this thread arguing what is Rayleigh ambitions because they see him as nothing more than a retired old people that have no desire to achieved something in particular anymore. I think it is safe (even if it's not confirmed yet) to categorized Luffy's Haki as a "will to conquer". From there, we can theorized and categorized other sub type of Haki as well. I think we can categorized Shanks (or Rayleigh for that matter) Haki as a "will to protect" type. Now that we have the category, it's probably makes sense why Luffy's Haki is considered to be one of a kind (and probably the strongest type of Haki) considering the fact that a "will to conquer" can also have the element of "will to protect", and "will to be stronger".
Although this whole categorizing Haki are still in theory, one might argue that there are also a "will to kill" or "will to destroy". I just thought by having this category will at least makes people not generalizing everyone Haki in the same group. Everyone in One Piece has their own desire, goals, dreams and their own ambitions. It just depends on how strong their desire is. Those that have the strongest desire will project their desire more visible than others. Luffy has been shown to be really determined to be a Pirate King and not once, he has given up to achieved that title. There are others like Crocodile and Moria that wanted to be a Pirate King but obviously their will are not strong enough to becomes one as they are shown to given up on pursuing their dream / ambitions.
