Great stuff as usual but, I don't see how this was in any way training for Toriko…I mean, that's the point of the president's requests right?
I can see two answers to this though: the training was getting Toriko's cells to adapt to "narcotic" ingredients/elements, or, the real thing begins when they find whatever there is to find out about Meteor Garlic.
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Coco is such a BOSS. The way he coordinated the whole food combination was unbelievable.
Livebearer was pushed into a corner he had no way of getting out of.
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Obviously he needs to improve his adaptation to the climate, something that Toriko has been training for long.
But for fighting against people, Coco must be very powerful. As somebody said before, it's difficult to deal with an enemy who uses poison.
If Livebeaver can beat the Wisdom Panda, I think he is at least at the level of Match.
Yeah,Coco has not had a real fight with a real human ever.Only against beasts.And he can kill then instantly with poison.That chicken thing from the 8th biotope,Coco put to sleep with poison.
But with livebeaers strength:Well,it's obvious that he's a big dude with very powerful strength,but I think his other danger comes from his knives,which he was shown to slice a beast with
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Where's the fire? Why rush? Why take the very climax away from your reader, Shimabu? If you want to reiterate your point, and after defeating Livebearer in a game, you want him defeated in a fight - then show it. Nobody asks for a long slugfest, but with the goldmine that is Livebearer's face, you can't just go and not draw a fist implanted into it.
And why is Match even here.
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I hate the, I planned it all from the beginning thing, at least he explained it but it still felt kind of random, liverbear being offscreened was terrible especially after they said how strong he was, hell even star mentioned how strong he was, but I guess fighting a guy who can become and make deadly poisons would be pretty tough to beat…. without haki
seriously i think coco's powers may be too strong, and i want to see his and torikos combo
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Lol,Livebeaer throwing a temper tantrum like a 5-year old
Also,I loved this arc cause Coco and Toriko were wearing suits. :S
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seriously i think coco's powers may be too strong, and i want to see his and torikos combo
A combo I thought up would be like what Mr3 and Luffy did againt Magellan,where Coco would forma non lethal hard poison shell around Toriko's fist,and Toriko would do a nail punch.it's more powerful cause of the harder poison.
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Realize guys, that they don't have the Meteor Garlic yet. By winning this game they're getting information needed to get the garlic. That's the overall goal.
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huur duur Just realized that after Toriko gets the three other ingridents,and the rest of the Kings complete their training,all Four Kings have to go to the other seven biotopes and retrieve Ichiryuu's full course ingridents.So theres a loooooooooong time intill the series goes into the gourmet world,and time for plenty of development,lore,history to be developed:
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One of the biotopes looks like an ant farm,which looks like a perfect place for Zebura,lol.Burt seriously,this is great,cause we know there's 8 biotopes(9 if you include the 0 biotope) and they will all be insane,and fun.And one looks like a desert,and a ice-hell like place,which Toriko has already conquored,so those two wont be too 'new' but still be fun
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huur duur Just realized that after Toriko gets the three other ingridents,and the rest of the Kings complete their training,all Four Kings have to go to the other seven biotopes and retrieve Ichiryuu's full course ingridents.So theres a loooooooooong time intill the series goes into the gourmet world,and time for plenty of development,lore,history to be developed
Sorry, but chapter 159 begins with Toriko stating that he collected 7 of the items with only the one left in Isotope 1.
There's still ambiguity what those ingredients are or how to cook them, but the story decided to skip the search through the isotopes.
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So, uh, why did Shimabukuro feel the need to skip a fight between Livebearer and Coco? Or even fodder vs Match and Toriko?
I mean, damn that's just weak.
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So, uh, why did Shimabukuro feel the need to skip a fight between Livebearer and Coco? Or even fodder vs Match and Toriko?
I mean, damn that's just weak.
Probably wanted to save up from the inevitable amounts of traumatizing faces.
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I think LB's 'hard to get factor' tgat Starjyuun mentioned wasn't all
the fact he can fight a level 80+,but more to do he's tge boss of a very very high security place,and he stays in an underground location,instead if out in the open like a 'normal' chef.In tge upcoming arc of getting the meteor garlic,I want coco to fight in this form against a powerful beast abd show off some new sick attacks:
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Coco, overpowered? We have seen him in 2 fights, and in both of them he had enormous difficulties. Shitted his pants at Staarjun Gt Robo. Coco is NOT overpowered.
And Toriko had a hard time against the Wisdom Panda, doubt Match could defeat it. Match's no push over, but a level 80 is VERY high, I know we are right now facing hordes of Gourmet World beasts who dwarf level 80's left and right, but let's not lose scope of things: level 80 is a fucking difficult beast. Tommyrod's weird insect beast was at level 81, and it was strong as hell.
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So, uh, why did Shimabukuro feel the need to skip a fight between Livebearer and Coco? Or even fodder vs Match and Toriko?
I mean, damn that's just weak.
The latter, I don't realy care. But the fact that we didn't actualy see Livebeare fight at all was a bit dissapointing.
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Obviously he needs to improve his adaptation to the climate, something that Toriko has been training for long.
But for fighting against people, Coco must be very powerful. As somebody said before, it's difficult to deal with an enemy who uses poison.
If Livebeaver can beat the Wisdom Panda, I think he is at least at the level of Match.
In that case Jirou and Teppei should oneshot everything too due to the knocking style. Wich is not the case as seen in the (albeit short) Teppei vs Tommyrod.
I'm just saying Shimbukuro has shown himself to be creative in these kinds of situations. Don't write him off yet.
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In that case Jirou and Teppei should oneshot everything too due to the knocking style. Wich is not the case as seen in the (albeit short) Teppei vs Tommyrod.
I'm just saying Shimbukuro has shown himself to be creative in these kinds of situations. Don't write him off yet.
Talented knocking can one shot everything.Jirou foddered a swarm of GW monsters and Teppei and Yosaku are Gourmet-World worthy.
The only reason why Teppei ha to out effort into knocking Tonmy was due to Tommy's bug-like nervous system,he had 'brains' through-out his body,making him difficult to knock.
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Yeah, and he used Impact Knocking "Medium" which doesn't sound like a secret final technique. I don't say Coco can win against anyone and anything, but his power is certainly overpowered in the Human World. Which is good, because Coco is a baller and so is Teppei.
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Talented knocking can one shot everything.Jirou foddered a swarm of GW monsters and Teppei and Yosaku are Gourmet-World worthy.
The only reason why Teppei ha to out effort into knocking Tonmy was due to Tommy's bug-like nervous system,he had 'brains' through-out his body,making him difficult to knock.
Exactly, talented knocking can knock out everybody…. but i doubt the famous knocking master Jirou would simply oneshot Midora as well.
Poison can have its limits as well. i'll admit he can definetley easily defeat a lot of people but to say he would easily defeat the likes of Sani or Zebura? I doubt he let Coco in to let him be major powerhouse that can beat up nearly any and everyone.
There's a reason why he increases the amounts of poison he can make and the lethality of it as well.
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Exactly, talented knocking can knock out everybody…. but i doubt the famous knocking master Jirou would simply oneshot Midora as well.
Poison can have its limits as well. i'll admit he can definetley easily defeat a lot of people but to say he would easily defeat the likes of Sani or Zebura? I doubt he let Coco in to let him be major powerhouse that can beat up nearly any and everyone.
There's a reason why he increases the amounts of poison he can make and the lethality of it as well.
You got a point there,The salamander sphinx(90+) wasn't even phased by all of Zeburas voice attacks,the same attacks that could fodder 60's.So that shows what true top tiers are capable of of.
And the sous chefs are powering up,so it is very possible that in the bishokuaki,sous chef and up(As well as gourmet world monsters) could very possibly be immune ,or not phased by the poison.Which will force Coco to use his samurai poison armor and close combat attacks,or create gourmet world poison that will work on gourmet world monsters.
This might take away from Cocos 'specialness' that his poison body allows him to make immunities,but the bishokukai have,like,the highest level gourmet cells,so they could create immunities/adaptation against human poisoon.
And we saw how difficult Zebura and Toriko had with the mummified Nitro.
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I wonder if zebra is getting stronger by leaps and bounds now that he's out or was he growing in jail at a rate faster than everyone else too.
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"Humans with paper-thin content of character always have the thickest prides. I was certain you would drink it…"
lol, that was awesome.Yea that was pretty excellent line, glad to finally see what he had up his sleeve the whole time as well. Like others have said i kinda wish livebearers ass kicking was shown but the ending worked well enough and we saw plenty of his insane facial expressions anyway so im pretty satisfied with that. Gotta love those poison characters
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Coco is now my favorite character in this whole manga. Following closely is still old man Jirou and Goemon the bridge guardian.
I know that Western gourmet's don't pay much attention to the nutritional value of foods, but Eastern cultures highly value the nutritional content so much that nutritional value is a factor in how luxurious and delectable a food is. However, I'm no expert; I just eat :P
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Toriko and Komastu professing their combo is always great to hear.They're legends in the making
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I've been thinking:Midora has a 'Judas' feel to him,like,he was the disciple that fell from grace.And I can bet that he has his own disciples,like Akashia and Ichiryuu,and they're the 'dark' version of the heavenly kings.And I think their ranking in the bishokukai is Executive Chef.
Based on Kewls post in NF,the bishokukai have a IRL chef ranking that goes like this
Boss-Midora
Garçon-Alfrado
Executive Chef-Niceny's boss
Assistant to the executive chef-Niceny
Head chef-Kuromado
Sous chefs-Tommy,,,etc….
Sommelier-Limon
Branch chiefs
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^ I don't think Midora is the "ultimate bad" in the series. At least not yet. We've yet to hear his reasonings why he'll intend to control the world's food supply. The only "bad" act was kidnapping the chefs and forcing them to cook (lol) for them.
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^ I don't think Midora is the "ultimate bad" in the series. At least not yet. We've yet to hear his reasonings why he'll intend to control the world's food supply. The only "bad" act was kidnapping the chefs and forcing them to cook (lol) for them.
The way they treat food in general is very careless. They make Zebra look like a saint.
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^ I don't think Midora is the "ultimate bad" in the series. At least not yet. We've yet to hear his reasonings why he'll intend to control the world's food supply. The only "bad" act was kidnapping the chefs and forcing them to cook (lol) for them.
D: But…Midora has info on the Nitros,and he created this whole organization.He kidnaps chefs to feed himself,and mess with the flow of ingridents,which in Toriko-verse,is globally impactful.Adn he wants GOD,and create a world war,and he's all shadow-y,has teleporting powers,wierd hair,and didnt smile when he ate the Century Soup,the soup that will bring smiles on anyones face
Maybe he wantd info on GOD,and he didnt feel loved by Akashia,and felt Akashia was playing favorites when he chose Ichiryuu to have info on the nitros
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I liked the chapter a lot. The ending was kind of weak but it didn't bother me that much. I think it was kind of comical how Coco just offscreened Livebear like that after he threw a big temper tantrum.
The card game, cheating, and manipulation was Livebear's strongest attack. After that was defeated Livebear didn't have much left. Even if he was super strong (he most likely was) fighting against a guy who mainly uses poison is tough as hell.
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This has been racking in my brain for days,and if I don't post it,I'll explode lol
I thinkthe final battle will be the Four Heavenly Kings vs Midora.
Or,Toriko vs Midora,when he eats his full cource,and GOD,and levels up to Midora's level.
But I hope the heavenly kings all combo against midora.It will be so cool!!
Sous chefs vs-whoever.I use to be angry at the idea that Toriko would fight them all,but im okay with that,cause they aren't the strongest,and are no way the final match up.I see them as the final enemies in the human world,or early gourmet world
Kuromado vs all four heavenly kings- like I said with Midora,I think there will be some enemies where the kings will fight in a combo.I think Kuromado will be one of those enemies,and maybe the first.
**Assistant to the executive chefs(This is the rank Niceny is at) vs an individual heavenly king.
The executive chefs vs an heavenly king**.I predict there are four executive chefs The final individual battle.
Alfrado vs all the heavenly kings.The second to last group battle
Yeah,there are others,Like Sommiler Limon and 1st Branch cheif Elg,and maybe the other branch cheifs have been powering up,and maybe there are other positions we havent seen yet,but whatever lol
So,what y'all think?
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I would prefer any fight with all of the heavenly kings working together. :3 Though I'm sort of expecting a typical cooking duel to come out of this manga, strange that it hasn't happened yet.
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Just finished re-reading and seems less and less likely to me that Midori is the Big Bad.
The Gourmet World is fully 70% of the entire world, after all. There's going to be a worse power there.
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Super Spatula Multiplied Speed of Sound Poison Hardened Twin 100 Hit Nail Punch
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Doesn't Livebeaer have info on ATOM,the drink from Akasha.So hopefully,some great new info about that.If we can see what it looks like,and what makes it so immaculate about Akasha's dishes,god,I would just loose my shit lol
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Guys, in Toriko the beasts aren't considered enemies.
Don't expect some heavenly beast that will try to take over the world.
It's either Midora or the Nitros, and seeing how Midora, Jirou and Ichiryuu are the three pupils of the one who is considered the "God of the gourmet age" it's pretty damn obvious that until now he's the one and only big bad.
The Nitro are a huge threat yes, but they're nowhere considered as the real enemies.
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Guys, in Toriko the beasts aren't considered enemies.
Don't expect some heavenly beast that will try to take over the world.
It's either Midora or the Nitros, and seeing how Midora, Jirou and Ichiryuu are the three pupils of the one who is considered the "God of the gourmet age" it's pretty damn obvious that until now he's the one and only big bad.
The Nitro are a huge threat yes, but they're nowhere considered as the real enemies.
70% of the World IS the Gourmet World. The Nitros, at the very least, have their own civilization. I didn't catch anything in my second read-through to indicate they were the only ones. Therefore, there's a chance that there are multiple other actors that have yet to be introduced (in the way that much of the universe of One Piece [Yonkou, New World, etc.] wasn't really introduced until around 200 chapters in).
The main question is what actually IS the scope of the manga. If the Gourmet World is setting up for the endgame, then I'm inclined to agree with you. If there's a lot more after they enter into that world, don't think there's enough depth to the Bishokukai storyline to carry it through for another major storyline. But then again, this is Toriko, which is less about depth and character than balls and creativity. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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you can't get much stronger then midora jirou and ichiryuu either, they're in the 90's from the surprise tomatoes, they said 100 would be the end of the earth
unless it becomes like DBZ where they can only use a fraction of there power because they could destroy the world, I don't see a boss stronger then midora coming around
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70% of the World IS the Gourmet World. The Nitros, at the very least, have their own civilization. I didn't catch anything in my second read-through to indicate they were the only ones. Therefore, there's a chance that there are multiple other actors that have yet to be introduced (in the way that much of the universe of One Piece [Yonkou, New World, etc.] wasn't really introduced until around 200 chapters in).
The main question is what actually IS the scope of the manga. If the Gourmet World is setting up for the endgame, then I'm inclined to agree with you. If there's a lot more after they enter into that world, don't think there's enough depth to the Bishokukai storyline to carry it through for another major storyline. But then again, this is Toriko, which is less about depth and character than balls and creativity. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Having other species with civilization at this point would be weak and will be listed as a pulled it out my ass Kubo level storytelling.
This isn't One Piece, this isn't a story that will have a 20 year lifespan since the pacing is way too different and we know more about Toriko in 150 chapter than the tiny bit we knew about OP back then. Heck i doubt we'll have more than 500 chapters.
Comparing the two is out of the question.But hey, we have a multitude of chefs, and the whole lot of well known Bishokuyas that are missing. Something like a powerful bishokuya competting with Toriko for an ingredient is something to expect i guess.
And about the GW, GOD appears in the GW and the Nitros know how to get it since they're from the GW (not sure for that one anymore). Also the Gourmet Eclipse will appear in a year and there's an imminent war with the Bishokukai.
If getting GOD as the main dish of Toriko's full course wasn't the main goal i'll accept that we still miss something but until now everything here is set, what will happen by the end of the series is clear, only remains how.
And i'll repeat it again, Midora is one of the 3 most powerful people in the world, he'll probably get stronger so i personally can't see how anything can top that.
As i said, you can't consider animals as enemies in Toriko, they're just food.So if they enter the GW, we'll see more Bishokukai members, more chefs/bishokuyas, and more Nitros and their story (i mean it's a whole "unkown" civilization that has yet to be dicovered.
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I liked the chapter a lot. The ending was kind of weak but it didn't bother me that much. I think it was kind of comical how Coco just offscreened Livebear like that after he threw a big temper tantrum.
The card game, cheating, and manipulation was Livebear's strongest attack. After that was defeated Livebear didn't have much left. Even if he was super strong (he most likely was) fighting against a guy who mainly uses poison is tough as hell.
About Livebearers strength,and how he boasts he can beat the wisdom panda,which is a level 80+,I don't think he can beat it like Toriko,the way he beat the shit outa it.Livebeaer might be strong,but I think his strength falls in the 'human realm' as in peak physical strength,no where near gourmet cell people.
ON how he would beat it,well,hear he's shown fighting the Rockmadillo,which is probably a pretty strong creature
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But see how he goes at it with knives.I think,cause it's his game and he is in control(well,he thought he was), if faced with a powerful monster,he probably knows it's weak points and attacks it directly and cuts it in one blow. It's not like these are new monsters.
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But don't forget guys, his main profession is a chef, at least sort of. It's really nice that chefs can fight, like Setsuno, but don't compare them to Bishokuyas. Their main profession is hunting, so they're naturally more talented fighters.
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But don't forget guys, his main profession is a chef, at least sort of. It's really nice that chefs can fight, like Setsuno, but don't compare them to Bishokuyas. Their main profession is hunting, so they're naturally more talented fighters.
That is something I can agree with fully. If you've noticed. Setsuno is already weakening while Jiro is still at the top of his game. She was able to fight and is super powerful, but she doesn't have the energy to fight anymore, at least as much as Jiro… she's doing what she was best at, which was cooking.
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The meteor garlic is gonna level up Coco.
The mellow cola leveled up Zebura and the shining fish levels up Sani,so to continue the trend that the ingredient levels up the king who partnered with Toriko,Coco's gonna level up from the garlic
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I've been rereading parts of the series. I have to say that Zonge is now among my favorite gag characters. It would have been enough for him to be the Captain Buggy of the series, but all of the RPG stuff just hits right at home. Plus I love how everyone continues to mistake his name worse and worse. Perhaps he isn't the most original character, but his presence never fails to get me a chortling.
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My brain just exploded cause I had an epiphany:
1)The casino is supposed to train Toriko's awareness.
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idk, just because livebearers can't beat coco doesn't mean he can't beat toriko, idk how many people in this series would ever be capable of defeating coco in direct combat, we need to see how people fight him to understand, so far everything coco's fought either runs away from him, is immune to poison (GT robo), defeated easily, or he tries to not poison it for toriko's sake
he could very well be one of the most powerful characters in toriko without even being gourmet world level
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idk, just because livebearers can't beat coco doesn't mean he can't beat toriko, idk how many people in this series would ever be capable of defeating coco in direct combat, we need to see how people fight him to understand, so far everything coco's fought either runs away from him, is immune to poison (GT robo), defeated easily, or he tries to not poison it for toriko's sake
he could very well be one of the most powerful characters in toriko without even being gourmet world level
I think we would have seen him fight if that was the case.
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idk, just because livebearers can't beat coco doesn't mean he can't beat toriko, idk how many people in this series would ever be capable of defeating coco in direct combat, we need to see how people fight him to understand, so far everything coco's fought either runs away from him, is immune to poison (GT robo), defeated easily, or he tries to not poison it for toriko's sake
he could very well be one of the most powerful characters in toriko without even being gourmet world level
By 'he' in guessing you mean Coco.But yeah,I'm hoping that sous chef and above in the bishokukai have immunity to human world poison,forcing him to use combat.
Now,about Livebeaer,I doubt it 100% that he would be any problem for Toriko.Like I said above,LB might be peak human strength,but nowhere close to Gourmet cell people,with godly superhuman strength.
LB hasn't done anything to show he can fight Toriko.He purposely avoids the joker cards with powerful monsters for the end.And like what Match and Coco said,LB knows all the cards that are in the deck and can see them with the contacts.He probably knows the weak points and attacks one blow with his knives.He lines his stomach with stuff so he doesn't digest them. He cheats and makes sure that he would always win and be in control.Sheesh,people gotta stop thinking he's as strong and Grinpatch and Zebura just cause he's frikin huge.
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well I bet when we get higher up people with gourmet cells can make antibodies to posions but since it hasn't been said that they can yet I'm remaining skeptical
and I think livebearer is really tough, idk why he got off screened but for star to mention him in chefs that will be tough to catch my assumption is he's extremely strong and either he lost because coco's powers are hard to fight or he's not really done yet
@Baou Zakurga: people don't think he's strong because he's huge but because they've mentioned he's extremely strong several times, both star, coco, and toriko
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well I bet when we get higher up people with gourmet cells can make antibodies to posions but since it hasn't been said that they can yet I'm remaining skeptical
and I think livebearer is really tough, idk why he got off screened but for star to mention him in chefs that will be tough to catch my assumption is he's extremely strong and either he lost because coco's powers are hard to fight or he's not really done yet
@Baou Zakurga: people don't think he's strong because he's huge but because they've mentioned he's extremely strong several times, both star, coco, and toriko
Yeah,Staa said they're difficult to capture,but Joejoe added to that saying "they aer masters in more ways than one" Deosnt mean that all the chefs can fight off a bishokukai sous chef
and about Toriko saying he's tough….That could be some hype/trolling by the author ...
We know why LB would be difficult to capture,cause he surrounds himslef with the highest security in his casino,spends his life deep underground ,is the de facto ruler of Jidar kingdom,controls all the narcotic ingredients.And Yhe Bishokukai prefer to kidnapp chefs covertly
And LB specifically says that he knows everything about how to capture and cook the ingredients and beasts in the Concentration game.It's just a game to him and to screw with his opponents.
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It's Nice that he said he can beat the wisdom panda and all the other capture level 60+ beasts.He knows them all,so he knows their weakness.
It's like what Coco said, "Those with thin personalities and characters have the thickest pride"
Meh,vol 18 will have his stats,if that means anything.
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Livebearer's ability to capture all those monsters is because he knows then as Zakurga said, it's like when Toriko and Zebra fought that sphinx, when they knew nothing he was too powerful. But when they know how to "cook" him it was way easier.
So wisdom panda must've had some special capture technique i believe.
And if you add that to the fact that he said capturing the wisdom panda would be a pain in the ass, even with that special technique, you could say he was weaker than Toriko at least.
Also he's hard to capture because he's in the top 30 chefs and can probably capture high level beasts, hence him giving the impression of being powerful.
If it was about security Setsuno wouldn't be hard to capture since she only runs a small shop, it's more about power. And Livebearer is a fake powerful chef.