He certainly is all that but his close combat abilities are a glaring, major weakness. Far from everyone can exploit it, but even so I can not put him at the level of Jimbei who has proven himself very fast and powerful, enough to make Moria look pretty bad, Moria who made Luffy without Gears look pretty bad. Crocodile's attacks are also not fast enough even though they are powerful.
Shichibukai strength
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That's because Blackbeard was nothing but a lowly henchmen who kept low until he ate an overpowered fruit. There's nothing to show that Blackbeard was strong at all before he ate it.
Umm… so the fact that he gave Shanks the scars over his eye, means he wasn't strong?
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i would rank them like this
top tier- mihawk
blackbeard
Doflamingomid tier-kuma
jimbei
boa hancocklow tier-moria
crocodileCrocodile? Low tier?
Blackbeard? Top tier???
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Umm… so the fact that he gave Shanks the scars over his eye, means he wasn't strong?
lol, he got you there Reyairia, although I mostly agree with you're points of wiews
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Umm… so the fact that he gave Shanks the scars over his eye, means he wasn't strong?
Or the fact he killed the 4th Division commander. Somebody we can assume was around Vista's level.
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Or the fact he killed the 4th Division commander. Somebody we can assume was around Vista's level.
Oda said all commanders are equal in terms of strengh.
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No, pretty sure he said that their Commander number holds the same rank. Regardless, all of the Commanders are certainly not equal in strength–-that was never said.
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@Del:
Oda said all commanders are equal in terms of strengh.
If he did he's talking about 6-16 since nobody stands out. The two you'd think were higher ranked due to screen time ended up being at the very bottom(Giesha&Fossa).
Clearly Vista, Marco, Ace, and Jozu are above the others. Thatch would be in the same league.
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If he did he's talking about 6-16 since nobody stands out. The two you'd think were higher ranked due to screen time ended up being at the very bottom(Giesha&Fossa).
Clearly Vista, Marco, Ace, and Jozu are above the others. Thatch would be in the same league.
here it is the sbs 59
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_59
All 16 commanders, despite numbers and ages have the same strength. All the same.
Here aohige's translation
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Yeah I guess we can just ignore all the fights where Jozu, Vista, and Marco are clearly superior to the others. They can all take Mihawk and Admirals, any could have swatted Croc away not just Jozu, Moria was lucky Curiel didn't destroy his ass, Don actually is a god, Marco only seems like he has more authority because the others like to make him feel like hes in charge, this front fooled the Gorousei, and Akainu only got serious after WB smashed his ribcage and confronted all the DCs.
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Yeah I guess we can just ignore all the fights where Jozu, Vista, and Marco are clearly superior to the others.
What were you expecting, that all 16 commanders get the same screen time?
Some were bound to appear more often, due to them being a necessary to the flow of the story, like why vista only appeared to cockblock mihawk.
If Oda wanted and had the time, he would have showcased all the commanders power, but for obvious reasons he didn't.
Im sure we are going to more of the commanders in the future.
Edit: not saying that they are all the same strength, but clearly superior is really far-fetched, especially given how little we have seen of the other commanders. -
Yeah I guess we can just ignore all the fights where Jozu, Vista, and Marco are clearly superior to the others.
I mean that you can't say that Thatch is stronger than others commanders only because of his number.
Obviously Marco, Jozu, and Vista are stronger than the others.
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I mean that you can't say that Thatch is stronger than others commanders only because of his number.
Obviously Marco, Jozu, and Vista are stronger than the others.
For example, Ace was the 2nd commander because that position wasn't filled, but he could be the 16th commander if that was the position vacant. And Ace is stronger than others commanders.Their ranking don't seem any different than survival rates in Skypiea, vague indications of strength. No I don't think WB intentionally gave them divisions based on their strength but its no coincidence Oda assigned the lowest numbers to the strongest crew members. There is no reason to assume Oda would break the pattern with Thatch.
The plot says Ace received the 2nd Division rank because it was open but Oda could have made any division open with no consequence to the plot. He chose to make Ace #2 instead of #16 on purpose because #2 carries more weight. If he were #16 people would probably assume he was the weakest due to inexperience until shown otherwise in the war.
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Their ranking don't seem any different than survival rates in Skypiea, vague indications of strength. No I don't think WB intentionally gave them divisions based on their strength but its no coincidence Oda assigned the lowest numbers to the strongest crew members. There is no reason to assume Oda would break the pattern with Thatch.
The plot says Ace received the 2nd Division rank because it was open but Oda could have made any division open with no consequence to the plot. He chose to make Ace #2 instead of #16 on purpose because #2 carries more weight. If he were #16 people would probably assume he was the weakest due to inexperience until shown otherwise in the war.
well, I agree on that
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Ok, let's all ignore Oda's official words about their strengh. : )
No.
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If they had 16 Marcos then the Whitebeard pirates really dropped the ball.
Imagine that they let Whitebeard be killed when they could've thrown 2-3 Marcos or Jozus on each admiral and absolutley raped them.
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Ok, let's all ignore Oda's official words about their strengh. : )
No.
He didn't say that. And even if he did, no one would believe him.
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OK, let's actually look at Aohige's translation because nowhere does it call them all equally strong:
"Whitebeard pirates commanders are not necessary numbered in the order of their strength!
They are equal to each other, and younger number does not necessary mean they are stronger or have more authority."That's saying that they're equal to each other, in the way that they're all commanders, they all share the same rank. Being commander of the 2nd division doesn't mean that you have more authority than the commander of, say, the 10th division. However this does not mean that there are no differences in strength and authority, hence why it keeps saying "necessarily". A lower number doesn't necessarily mean more strength, or more authority, but that does not mean a commander with a lower number can't have more strength or authority. The distinction is clear, yes? Hence why we can clearly see that Marco was portrayed as the absolute strongest and how he also clearly was considered in-charge or just about after Whitebeard died.
If there were no differences in strength there'd be no need to specify that ranking doesn't necessarily indicate power. Like say, Ace isn't automatically stronger than Vista because he's the 2nd commander while Vista's the 5th. But as Ryuks has gone over well already, it would be foolish to assume mere coincidence in how the three highest ranked commanders in the war were all shown going at it with Admirals & Mihawk alone, while lower ranked ones were shown attacking Kizaru in a group of no less than seven, or were getting played around with by Doflamingo, and had no scenes as impressive as the big three in general. The closest one comes is Rakoyu, 7th (again note the trend; not a rule, but it's hardly coincidence) division commander, being shown tangling with Kizaru alone without visible injuries.
The Wiki just has a faulty translation, I'm pretty damn certain.
