Yeah like getting banned for example.
Bleach Discussion Part 2
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I wouldn't necessarily call those covers fanservice.
The one with Orihime has the boob section taken care of, but they are covered under the shirt and she's wearing a long skirt. Her pose isn't suggestive either, whereas Cirucci's is. There's a hint of PANTIE PEEPING, but the character herself is more of a "bitch who puts up a fight" instead of some seducing mystery woman. Besides, Cirucci isn't that beautiful (IMO).
But, with Kûkaku and Nel, there is both gigantic boobs and exposed skin.
Oh God, this post could come from Kingoffans…
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Kids, if you've ever asked yourselves why man invented breast reduction surgery you haven't seen an Espada with jugs larger than her head.
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^thanks for the cover xDD
(oh man,I think doujinshis are full of Nell nowadays :P)
btw,is there a site where you can download the covers? (okay,I could search for them myself,but I´ll just ask for now…xD) -
It like Nel is pregnant without actually being pregnant since her assests are so large.
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This thread has degenerated rather rapidly. :getlost:
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So, any suggestions as to where Nel's hollow hole might be located?
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I say her left nipple is the holllow hole.
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I say it right below her neck.
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^ your not thinking dirty enough.
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Rotten eggs and tomatoes Kubo
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that's not new, i've known that for about a month already. Let me know when Yoshihiro togashi comes to the states at a convention.
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I don't think he ever come to the states.
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Its all Jump 40 events. The US got Kubo, France got Obata, Germany's getting Hoshino. Oda, Kishi & Togashi…stay at home.
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that's not new, i've known that for about a month already. Let me know when Yoshihiro togashi comes to the states at a convention.
Togashi ain't big time like Kubo, he won't be able to come across seas.
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blink I would call the author of YuYu Hakusho and HxH pretty damn big. Even if he does take a ton of sick leave.
@Tokoro:
Its all Jump 40 events. The US got Kubo, France got Obata, Germany's getting Hoshino. Oda, Kishi & Togashi…stay at home.
Really? That's interesting. Damnit, why can't Oda take a trip out?
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Togashi ain't big time like Kubo, he won't be able to come across seas.
What is big time, then? If you go to Japan, the big guns are different there than they are here. Fans wait obsessively for the latest HxH chapter. Fans analyze the latest OP chapter. Meanwhile, Naruto and Bleach have obsessive fangirls who always vote it at the top of the magazine polls…
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Togashi is definitely bigger than both Kishimoto and Kubo in Japan, that's pretty obvious. And i don't even like the guy.
There are some well known stories about Shueisha being so much afraid to lose Toriyama back in DB days that the poor guy couldn't take long air travels. Lol, maybe Oda can't leave the country either.
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Togashi ain't big time like Kubo, he won't be able to come across seas.
wha….eck..a..err..ga...(crushed because of post made by miracles)
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Togashi ain't big time like Kubo, he won't be able to come across seas.
Speaking off, Miracles, I'm still waiting for you to prove it.
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@Tokoro:
What is big time, then? If you go to Japan, the big guns are different there than they are here. Fans wait obsessively for the latest HxH chapter. Fans analyze the latest OP chapter. Meanwhile, Naruto and Bleach have obsessive fangirls who always vote it at the top of the magazine polls…
Bleach is big in japan AND over seas..Unlike that ugly drawn HxH.
Togashi is definitely bigger than both Kishimoto and Kubo in Japan, that's pretty obvious. And i don't even like the guy
Last time I checked the Big Three were Naruto, One Piece and Bleach..Not HxH. Kubo and Kishi are bigger than HxH.
Speaking off, Miracles, I'm still waiting for you to prove it.
Prove what?
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Bleach is big in japan AND over seas..Unlike that ugly drawn HxH.
Well HxH never got a chance to arrive in the US when it had its prime period before Togashi started his hiding habits. Bleach did. End of subject.
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@Tokoro:
Well HxH never got a chance to arrive in the US when it had its prime period before Togashi started his hiding habits. Bleach did. End of subject.
No HxH ain't big enough to be put in the US. End of subject.
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No HxH ain't big enough to be put in the US. End of subject.
If HxH came in 1999/2000 instead of a later date like it did (during its major period), then it would be bigger in the US with OP. They would bring it over, it would have a head start on Bleach and we wouldn't be arguing.
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Excuses…Excuses...
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You consistently lose track of your arguments, don't you, Miracles?
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Excuses…Excuses...
What excuses, its all based on timing. Prior to 2003, the only Jump series that were brought over were those that actually were connected to something else in the US in one way or another. (DB, COBRA, Fist of the North Star) So when the Jump series started in the states, they went with the franchises that were either established (Yu-Gi-Oh, YYH) or had potential due to popularity at that time. (OP, Naruto, Shaman King) While they did bring HxH eventually over, they didn't back it up either with the anime or at a time when Togashi was in the midst of one of his hiatuses, with the anime mostly reduced to the occasional OVA once the actual anime aired in 2000-2001. On the other hand, when Bleach was brought over, it had a growing fanbase and an anime that either was starting or about to start. Thus, timing. If HxH came over earlier, it would have a much bigger following and fanbase than it does now.
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Prove what?
Tokoro Ataru implicitly stated how One Piece constantly and consistently created new cultures from the ground up unlike Bleach.
You said Bleach ALSO constantly and consistently create cultures analyzing civilian life, unique traditions, local commercialilsim etc.
You have yet to prove this declaration.
I'm still waiting for you to prove it.
Don't think I forgot but it looks like unfortunately you did.
You can thank me for reminding you because now, I'm sure, you can write what I'm sure is your remarkably well-thought out post to prove your statement.
I'm waiting.
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That topic makes me always think of Nnoitra's flashbacks. He's destroying the hollow colonies before we've even seen one.
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Well we can say that One Piece is the biggest in Japan at least.
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You consistently lose track of your arguments, don't you, Miracles?
Yep, Cause this internet ain't important.
@Tokoro:
What excuses, its all based on timing.
Never, it's simply based on PRODUCTION. Which series produces the best and Bleach is a high profile manga along with Naruto and One Piece HxH is not. Hell One Piece was out before Bleach but Bleach is right along with the Piece and Naruto in the states.
Tokoro Ataru implicitly stated how One Piece constantly and consistently created new cultures from the ground up unlike Bleach.
You said Bleach ALSO constantly and consistently create cultures analyzing civilian life, unique traditions, local commercialilsim etc.
Seriously? Anyone with the sense of a Celery stick can see how Bleach creates cultures from the ground up just by reading the thing. Have you freakin seen Soul Society? The Captains, Shinigami, Gigai's, The seratei? Have you seen Hueco Mundo where we are introduced to Espada, Gillians etc?
Seriously I am not bashing you but EVERY STORY creates there own culture and civilizations quit acting like One Piece is the only one that does this. Hell many of you act as if that makes or breaks a story cause it doesn't.
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Never, it's simply based on PRODUCTION. Which series produces the best and Bleach is a high profile manga along with Naruto and One Piece HxH is not. Hell One Piece was out before Bleach but Bleach is right along with the Piece and Naruto in the states.
One Piece is and remains popular because of its scope and its audience. HxH has a similar devoted audience as OP, starting a half-year to a year later and growing at a similar rate due to people both who loved Togashi's work and who loved the world he was weaving. Over ten years later and they still obsess with HxH, particularly those who keep the faith to the end. If HxH came out in the US at the same time as Japan, there would be similar obsessed and devoted fans waiting for Togashi's return. Instead, it came out several years too late here, long enough that most of its coverage was done and its anime was probably rapidly becoming out of date compared to the freshness and disposability of anime that came out that year or a year earlier. The same could be said for something like Saint Seiya/Knights of the Zodiac, which was even more past its prime and ruined by DiC. And that's a series that was a worldwide phenominon (ask any European or South American: this, along with stuff like DB & Captain Tsubasa, were the big intro manga) and also ran in WSJ.
Meanwhile, Bleach had everything, and I mean everything, going for it here. The manga became popular around the time Jump started publishing in the states, thus allowing it to be one of the first to come out in the outside-the-magazine format. At the same time, the anime started at around the same time in Japan, allowing for many to jump on from the beginning and get addicted to what was consistantly a fast and furious telling of the story. Thus when the Bleach anime came out with a Bleach manga fanbase already set up and a huge fansub market, it pretty much sold itself from the beginning.
Let me ask you this, Miracles: if HxH had both the manga and anime come out in the US when it was fresher, say around 2000 or 2001 (which was before Viz started the Jump line), allowing for people to get addicted to it like they have to Bleach…wouldn't it be as popular like it is in Japan? Similarly: if Bleach started several years ago when manga was harder to come by in the US and the anime aired when we were more interested in monster shows and DBZ with no noticable market, would it have come over immediately?
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@Tokoro:
Let me ask you this, Miracles: if HxH had both the manga and anime come out in the US when it was fresher, say around 2000 or 2001 (which was before Viz started the Jump line), allowing for people to get addicted to it like they have to Bleach…wouldn't it be as popular like it is in Japan? Similarly: if Bleach started several years ago when manga was harder to come by in the US and the anime aired when we were more interested in monster shows and DBZ with no noticable market, would it have come over immediately?
I think HxH would have been popular but not on Bleach's level. The big three are One Piece, Naruto and Bleach of Jump and in America right now (as far as anime goes). There is plenty of anime in the states but just because it makes it over here doesn't automatically make it a hit, it has to become big over here too ya know, like Bleach did.
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I think HxH would have been popular but not on Bleach's level. The big three are One Piece, Naruto and Bleach of Jump and in America right now (as far as anime goes). There is plenty of anime in the states but just because it makes it over here doesn't automatically make it a hit, it has to become big over here too, like Bleach did.
But why did Bleach become big? Timing. Everything played in its favor compared to HXH. Heck I'm willing to bet it would have been in the Big 3 for a time if Togashi kept going instead of getting sick.
And I'm surprised to hear from you that OP is part of the "American big 3"…apparantly since according to American manga fans, they rather have other series instead. (Kenshin, Death Note, DB, who knows what else) Just because we have a OP bias doesn't mean the rest of the US does.
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Dragonball is really the BIG TIME household name around here in America. Everyone knows what that anime is. One Piece was becoming popular around (When it was on Saturday mornings) here but when cartoon network got it it fell off over here and people became detached. Naruto and Bleach are still popular over here though.
As far as Bleach success goes, it became big because of it's story and characters. HxH drawings are terrible and the characters suck compared to Bleach. We Americans ain't drawn to that kind of stuff.
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He's american
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One Piece and Hunter X Hunter are way too obscure to be popular in the states.
But Bleach is the closest thing to Dragon Ball Z the US will get from current JUMP titles. Thus it's popularity.
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Which is why it in the American Shonen Jump now.
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Seriously? Anyone with the sense of a Celery stick can see how Bleach creates cultures from the ground up just by reading the thing. Have you freakin seen Soul Society? The Captains, Shinigami, Gigai's, The seratei? Have you seen Hueco Mundo where we are introduced to Espada, Gillians etc?
Seriously I am not bashing you but EVERY STORY creates there own culture and civilizations quit acting like One Piece is the only one that does this. Hell many of you act as if that makes or breaks a story cause it doesn't.
You miss the point.
Tokoro Ataru implicitly stated that One Piece CONSTANTLY (as in does it all the time, keeps doing it, has done it MANY times and is still doing it now) creates new cultures from the ground up. He also said Bleach on the other hand has only a FEW SELECT places where people fight from. In this case they are Karakura town, Soul Society and Hueco Mundo.
You said Bleach also does this.
I'm waiting for you to prove this by stating all the OTHER numerous (as in there are a lot) cultures Tokoro Ataru said that didn't exist and you say does exist.
Now that this confusion has been cleared up, I'll let you do just that.
Oh and the bolded text is irrelevant to the discussion. You stated something and I'm waiting for you to prove it.
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Bleach is big in japan AND over seas..Unlike that ugly drawn HxH.
you do realise that those were the Weekly released chapters and that the chapters were REDRAWN for the VOLUMErelease. Not to metion kubo has nothing on togashi when it comes to drawing. Want proof? read Level E.
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I'm not a fan of HunterxHunter by any means, but when I flipped through the latest English volume the other day at Borders, I couldn't help but notice that many of the pages looked like they were taken straight out of a highschooler's notebook.
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Im with Miracles 100% in the argument but M should just give it up. Most people here are actually OBSESSED with One Piece and take it too seriously. So they will always think of some new shit to start.
@ Crossword, yeah it does look like that haha
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@gigantor21:
Ttx, you do bring up some good points. Kubo was clearly shooting for more than just "fight, fight, fight."
However, the main problem is that most of the thematic stuff you described was either established in earlier arcs, is a staple of shonen writing in general, or both. And Kubo didn't do enough to make something with impact out of those themes IMO.
In all honesty, the basic premise of the SS Arc was no less generic than the HM Arc. A friend being kidnapped by the organization that she works for; facing death for her meddling with the outside world; her new friends jumping into enemy territory just to save her…you see that kind of stuff in shonen all the time. But what made it work was how Kubo gave the generic premise tons more depth in the way it was executed--which he failed to do for Orihime's rescue.
There were a few reasons why I found the HM Arc mediocre:
A) The first, most obvious reason is that Kubo used almost the same premise as the SS Arc to construct the HM Arc: you had Orihime kidnapped because of some crazy power that Aizen needed, and Ichigo and Co. going to HM to stop her. If you replace Orihime with Rukia, crazy power with Hogyoku, and HM with SS, then it's the same goddamn idea.
What's more, the way it was executed was VERY similar. Ichigo finding a new ally before going into the enemy stronghold, Ichigo fighting enemies in the same Ikkaku-Renji-Byakuya level progression, the Renji and Byakuya equivalents fighting each other, Chad beating a weakling only to get owned by one of the top fighters...it just goes on and on. What's more, the plotting that didn't parallel the arc wasn't much better. That made things seem repetetive and uninspired from the outset.
B) The fighting received WAY too much focus. There was no solid underlying plotline to give real meaning to the chaos, like Aizen's conspiracy in the SS Arc, so Kubo just hopped from fight to fight without breaks while stretching some fights to the bone to make up for the lack of depth in the storyline (see the Apollo fight). This is what made the whole thing feel agonizingly slow.
C) The Espada themselves didn't get nearly as much development as the captains, and a few were killed off rather unceremoniously. This, in spite of how they, and hybridization in general, were hyped up like crazy during the post-SS Arc. A lot of them seemed to be fighting just because they felt like it--a sentiment summed up by Grimmjow when he said "I'm a Hollow, you're a Shinigami! What other reason do you need!?"
Meanwhile, all the captains who fought in SS had clear personal motivations for fighting. Hell, Zaraki was fighting for sport, but Kubo used that to flesh him out with the theme of "sword communication". That was far superior to how so many Espada were fighting just because they were the bad guys, and they were supposed to. Which is why I keep saying the affair feels like a videogame now.
D) Lastly, the arc as a whole was just terribly planned. There were several weeks where nothing really happened, and Kubo didn't seem to know where he wanted to take the story. Hell, the way he jumped into the arc in the first place seemed kind of suspect. And I believe that A, B and C were mostly caused by this lack of planning.
Given the slave hours Kubo puts in every week, a few people feel that Kubo needs to take a long, long break, so he can really map out what he wants to do--and because the declining quality in the storytelling could be a result of the stress weighing him down. I'd have to agree with that.
I'm still can't decide between Phenom and that guy.
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People love stuff that have to do w/ Pirates (Jack Sparrow, need I say more)? It's really weird that OP is not taken seriously here (it's originality is great)
btw, how long is the hiatus (for bleach of course)?
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@Jedi:
People love stuff that have to do w/ Pirates (Jack Sparrow, need I say more)? It's really weird that OP is not taken seriously here (it's originality is great)
btw, how long is the hiatus (for bleach of course)?
Kubo's back, cover and color page this week.
As for OP not being taken seriously…its just everything working against it: weird designs, long length, the 4Kids dub...Naruto and Bleach look normal (or typical for anime/manga) compared to OP.
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everyone hates long lengths
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You mean the longing for long lengths that is commonly expressed by sporting really short shorts?