Yamamoto's actions reminded me of an environmental protest from an episode of Futurama: what's the point in making a ring around Aizen and company if they can fly? If they went a few metres higher or lower than they were, they'd be outside of Yamamoto's attack.
Bleach Discussion Part 2
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It's just a one week hiatus.
This chapter was nothing but build up.
It's funny how for you if it's Bleach it's build up but for One Piece it's time-wasting
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The chapter went so quick, before I knew it, it was over, but at least we're back to the action, and I'm tired of Omirirmei (however you spell it getting kidnapped), forgot that happened before the flashback, she need to learn how to fight, seriously, but the chapter was good overall!
Oh, and no chapter next week, jeez, just when it got good!
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Yamamoto's actions reminded me of an environmental protest from an episode of Futurama: what's the point in making a ring around Aizen and company if they can fly? If they went a few metres higher or lower than they were, they'd be outside of Yamamoto's attack.
ha or like during the fights all the time Ichigo and anybody is just jumping around on the air and flying and what not. Then after the fight I think that little green girl runs up to hug him and he is crying about almost falling or something.
its those little things that just piss me off. first was it ever explained when they could so call fly. All of a sudden ichigo can stand on thin air and block that huge bird sword (saving ryukai). And ever since then people are fighting while flying the air constantly. And yet they are afraid of falling. And as you put it, unless it is a complete circle, its gonna look so dumb animated especially. Guys flying in the air and a circle of fire aroudn them. omg we can't escape.
(might have happened before, but didn't notice it)
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I have a simple, common sense explanation for thier flight.
…Are'nt they supposed to be like...ghosts?, y'know levitation and all that?
OK im kidding but theres alot more stuff that really needs explanation-wheres Yammy(for one)?
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well i could care less about them being able to floating/flying/pushign off air (naruto almost, cp9 almost) or whatever they are doing. I just take that as part of the way this magna and their abilities work.
But if you have them able to do that, then don't do dumb shit like having ichigo then afraid of falling off edge, or this ring (not complete circle) to keep Aizen and 2 others from getting in the way.
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What green girl (GREEN?) and when was he afraid of falling?
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chibi girl, turns big boobed girl, turns chibi
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It's funny how for you if it's Bleach it's build up but for One Piece it's time-wasting
There is a difference between building up a situation for a battle rather than joyriding on bubbles for chapters on end. Luffy punching a celestial dragon was build up for an Admiral to come and all the other crazy things about to happen, riding bubbles and roller coaster rides is a waste.
Many are complaining about the fire ring Yama put around Aizen and friends but have many of you ever considered maybe they can't escape it even if they tried going under over?
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chibi girl, turns big boobed girl, turns chibi
http://img37.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/00000286/07.jpgAh, nel the comic relief brat. Well, he wouldn't die even if he couldn't fly there so, yeah^^
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There is a difference between building up a situation for a battle rather than joyriding on bubbles for chapters on end. Luffy punching a celestial dragon was build up for an Admiral to come and all the other crazy things about to happen, riding bubbles and roller coaster rides is a waste.
Many are complaining about the fire ring Yama put around Aizen and friends but have many of you ever considered maybe they can't escape it even if they tried going under over?
Ah, don't pay attention to me, I was simply musing.^^
It is funny though that despite jerking around in an amusement park, more stuff still happened in that chapter then in Bleach's buildup but meh, I'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation for.^_^
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oh i'm sorry I guess being in a new world (one piece) you would rather they just land on some island like in the east blue where its just a normal island with a town. then we dont' have to worry about showing any character to the world. Yea that would be way cooler.
Then they could have just gone walking the main street and see a tenryuubito and see what he does to the slave and punch him. I actually think giving character to the world is what makes a manga good. So if you want some generic city having battles all the time thats fine for you.
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Nothing Oda does is a waste. Usually when he begins on an island, he loves introducing the lay of the land: showing a bit about the society, the culture, the landmarks and what makes this island geographically and socially unique from the others. (thus giving us readers an orientation of this part of the world…compared to Naruto and Bleach where there really isn't that much going on outside certain particular places) He then introduces a conflict which slowly builds by way of the characters there and the Straw Hats interactions on the island...until all hell eventually breaks loose inevitably.
Now compare that to:
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It seems I have opened a Pandora's box.
I'm just going to stand over there.
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@Tokoro:
Nothing Oda does is a waste. Usually when he begins on an island, he loves introducing the lay of the land: showing a bit about the society, the culture, the landmarks and what makes this island geographically and socially unique from the others. (thus giving us readers an orientation of this part of the world…compared to Naruto and Bleach where there really isn't that much going on outside certain particular places) He then introduces a conflict which slowly builds by way of the characters there and the Straw Hats interactions on the island…until all hell eventually breaks loose inevitably.
That sounds like Bleach and Naruto as well. I can elaborate that all three are well written stories as good as One Piece. Since this is a Bleach thread I will expand on Bleach if you want me to?
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Since this is a Bleach thread I will expand on Bleach if you want me to?
Oh, we'd love to!
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I actually would like to hear your thoughts about Bleach. Probably give me a fresh insight on the series.
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No problem my good friend….Ok fellas...Here I go....
Bleach (Hollow Arc [manga]) The plot, initially, flows extremely well, very smoothly. As it progresses, it does indeed get a little bumpy, and since most of this arc is devoted to character introduction and development, laying down the foundation for the story yet to come, it is indeed scattered. Now, it doesn't really matter, considering it's far more realistic this way…any plot that is completely intact from the very beginning is boring and dull. However, the main problem is that certain parts do get a little repetetive, and the story at points....really, really, really drags on. It achieves it's purpose remarkably, astoundingly, but you often bump into chapters you kind of just want to get over with and progress past. All in all, however, it's how any series first arc should be...smooth, stirring, and character focussed.
Character development~Very well done. Not perfect...but a great job none-the-less. You start off with only basic information, a limited understanding, a simple outline...and the rest is sketched out from there as you go along. You see the struggles, trials, hurts, mental, emotional, and physical developments almost as if you were them. Every individual has there own thing to deal with, and their paths are all connected to eachother in their own unique way. As they learn more, they develop more struggles. You see everything there is...you witness first hand their fight to overcome things things and press beyond them. The only real flaw is this: sometimes, it's not all that steady. It often goes on for a while without seeing any truly significant development, and then happens in bursts. Rather than things flowing with the tide of time, it sort of just...progresses until a new character is introduced, and shifts the foucs completely, entirely on to them. This is good for that character, but makes the development of others kind of...choppy. The second arc also shows us that the series can do even better than this. All in all, however, it works for the better.
Bleach (Soul Society Arc [manga]) Take everything you could possibly hope or expect it to be, and multiply that by ten and you might have a fraction of what the Soul Society arc manages to accomplish for the series. The sheer magnitude of how intricately woven together the story is, is frankly…mind boggling. Everything. Every single detail is tied together at some point or another in this arc. Tite literally planned out what would happen close to, and even after 200 chapters from the beginning of the series. Not just generally the kind of things that would happen, or what events would transpire...but...well, all of it is far, far to good to spoil. If you read up to about chapter 180, you'll know. Basically, almost every event that transpires in the series is connected somehow. If you think I'm spoiling it for you, that you'll catch on because you're expecting something....don't. Unless you look up spoilers, you will not guess right. Besides these tremendously wonderful twists and turns, this arc never breaks the flow. It keeps going straight ahead, moving forward, and getting progressively better every chapter. Indebted to Rukia for changing his life, when she is taken back to soul society to be executed for violating the laws of that realm, Ichigo determines to put his life on the line to save her. Ichigo and his companions face off against all of soul society in order to save the life of their friend and comrade. We get to see the story from many different perspectives, depicting each person's individual fight and struggle for their cause, or for their duty. If I were to think of a single flaw....just one...I would not be able to. I have tried, and in fact, cannot even think of a possible improvement.
Character development~Gradually explores practically every corner of each characters being. By the end of it, they've been opened up and read like a book. You learn more as you go along, and the characters develop as the plot thickens. And you get to see every little step.
I will expand on this Huceo Mundo arc when finished. Bleach has been written as good as One Piece.
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The biggest fault with Bleach in my opinion, besides the limit to where the story can go after Aizen is defeated, is the shonen classic "This dude appeared out of nowhere" shtick. Even One Piece uses it (Kuma, Dragon, Garp), but nowhere near to the extent that Bleach does. Every time a character is in peril, someone pops out of nowhere, even if they seemed to be nowhere near the incident in question. It's okay if used once in a while, but cmon…
The story is decent, if a bit typical. The character designs are great and so is the artwork. Bleach is one of the better drawn manga I've read, along with Gensomaden Saiyuki and Death Note. It's also got a variety of different powers amongst the characters... maybe a little too much variety, but that's okay. I'd rather everyone be different than the same damn thing (Which, as awesome as the show was, was the major flaw of TTGL). And some of the characters are really well developed. Gin, Yachiru, Rukia (when she's not with her brother), and Hiyori are a few of my favorite characters. Almost every character contributes to the story in some way, and that's impressive, considering how large the cast is.
The thing about Bleach I dislike is the narrowness. We only get information in bits and pieces; we never actually see a greater scope of things. That flashback gave us more info about Soul Society's workings than the last 200 chapters have, whereas in One Piece, we learn about all different cultures and ways of life. What Miracles calls "waste of time, bubble-riding chapters" are actually chapters showing the customs, the people, explaining things... I like that. It's a little bonus to the story. Manga are comic books, yes, and should have action and focus on the main story, but they're also novels in a way, and having the world described makes a big difference to me in personal preference.
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@Fire Fist:
That flashback gave us more info about Soul Society's workings than the last 200 chapters have
@Fire Fist:
All this flashback did was clarify what we already could have guessed or knew.
@Fire Fist:
It was a nice break, but it was nothing new.
@Fire Fist:
If by moving the story further, you mean the flashback repeated everything we knew, then yes.
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When I said those other things, Elric, I was referring to the main plot. The flashback did nothing to expand upon the main plot, but it did explain a few other things about Soul Society. So I stand by those statements.
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theres still Hell and the King. There's a chance Bleach isn't over after Aizen
slim, but there's a chance
Also I'd rather have side characters showing up saving people, then gay powerups like YORUICHI TAUGHT ME SOME MOVE A LONG TIME AGO. Fuckin Byakuya vs Zomari
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I wonder if Aizen will be reborn as a future villain after he dies?
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No problem my good friend….Ok fellas...Here I go....
Bleach (Hollow Arc [manga]) The plot, initially, flows extremely well, very smoothly. As it progresses, it does indeed get a little bumpy, and since most of this arc is devoted to character introduction and development, laying down the foundation for the story yet to come, it is indeed scattered. Now, it doesn't really matter, considering it's far more realistic this way…any plot that is completely intact from the very beginning is boring and dull. However, the main problem is that certain parts do get a little repetetive, and the story at points....really, really, really drags on. It achieves it's purpose remarkably, astoundingly, but you often bump into chapters you kind of just want to get over with and progress past. All in all, however, it's how any series first arc should be...smooth, stirring, and character focussed.
Character development~Very well done. Not perfect...but a great job none-the-less. You start off with only basic information, a limited understanding, a simple outline...and the rest is sketched out from there as you go along. You see the struggles, trials, hurts, mental, emotional, and physical developments almost as if you were them. Every individual has there own thing to deal with, and their paths are all connected to eachother in their own unique way. As they learn more, they develop more struggles. You see everything there is...you witness first hand their fight to overcome things things and press beyond them. The only real flaw is this: sometimes, it's not all that steady. It often goes on for a while without seeing any truly significant development, and then happens in bursts. Rather than things flowing with the tide of time, it sort of just...progresses until a new character is introduced, and shifts the foucs completely, entirely on to them. This is good for that character, but makes the development of others kind of...choppy. The second arc also shows us that the series can do even better than this. All in all, however, it works for the better.
Bleach (Soul Society Arc [manga]) Take everything you could possibly hope or expect it to be, and multiply that by ten and you might have a fraction of what the Soul Society arc manages to accomplish for the series. The sheer magnitude of how intricately woven together the story is, is frankly…mind boggling. Everything. Every single detail is tied together at some point or another in this arc. Tite literally planned out what would happen close to, and even after 200 chapters from the beginning of the series. Not just generally the kind of things that would happen, or what events would transpire...but...well, all of it is far, far to good to spoil. If you read up to about chapter 180, you'll know. Basically, almost every event that transpires in the series is connected somehow. If you think I'm spoiling it for you, that you'll catch on because you're expecting something....don't. Unless you look up spoilers, you will not guess right. Besides these tremendously wonderful twists and turns, this arc never breaks the flow. It keeps going straight ahead, moving forward, and getting progressively better every chapter. Indebted to Rukia for changing his life, when she is taken back to soul society to be executed for violating the laws of that realm, Ichigo determines to put his life on the line to save her. Ichigo and his companions face off against all of soul society in order to save the life of their friend and comrade. We get to see the story from many different perspectives, depicting each person's individual fight and struggle for their cause, or for their duty. If I were to think of a single flaw....just one...I would not be able to. I have tried, and in fact, cannot even think of a possible improvement.
Character development~Gradually explores practically every corner of each characters being. By the end of it, they've been opened up and read like a book. You learn more as you go along, and the characters develop as the plot thickens. And you get to see every little step.
I will expand on this Huceo Mundo arc when finished. Bleach has been written as good as One Piece.
Funny how in that long essay, you still haven't stated just exactly how Bleach also builds up new cultures like you'd said you would.
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In Bleach's defense: one of its unique assets is that it does show off the various aspects of the three "realms" that it takes place in and shows off the good and the bad in all of them. The initial Karakura arc does allow for Kubo to establish the town that "we think" the series is going to be fully taking place in and the interaction of the people who live in it. (even though it is sort of normal) By the time that we get to the two rescue arcs (Soul Society & Hueco Mundo), we get thrusted into two further otherworldly locations with their own societies and rules, many of which are slowly revealed as the arc moves along. (the strictness of Soul Society and its order, the order amist the chaos of HM) Kubo does try to keep a sense of mystery and intrigue early on…but once Aizen is revealed as the big baddy, it all became "how are we going to stop him and his super-hollows that keep invading".
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Funny how in that long essay, you still haven't stated just exactly how Bleach also builds up new cultures like you'd said you would.
I did. Soul Society's culture was built up, and Ichigo's culture and in Karakura town.
@Tokoro:
…but once Aizen is revealed as the big baddy, it all became "how are we going to stop him and his super-hollows that keep invading".
With new characters getting introduced, with character development, interaction with a new world. Don't make it seem so simple cause I sure as hell can do that for One Piece.
Bleach has some brilliant twists (Aizen's betrayal hinted at several volumes earlier in the "Flower on the Precipice" poem was pure effing genius) and we don't know what might come up next.
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Awww, Miracles. You made me get all nostalgic.
If I were to point out a flaw in the current Bleach I guess it's that Kubo is letting the story run away from him. SS, as Miracles said, was very well contained and plotted to fine detail. Hueco Mundo and beyond, however, is kinda all over the place.
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With new characters getting introduced, with character development, interaction with a new world. Don't make it seem so simple cause I sure as hell can do that for One Piece.
Bleach has some brilliant twists (Aizen's betrayal hinted at several volumes earlier in the "Flower on the Precipice" poem was pure effing genius) and we don't know what might come up next.
You can boil a lot of OP down as well but Bleach is simple with the Arrancar/HM stuff. Heck, we get a bunch more new characters since after SS ended (in a series already overcrowded with under and un-developed characters), many of which are enemies at first, some of whom become allies, and all of which is just leading up to the final battle with Aizen.
In regarding Aizen BTW: you could actually suspect him being connected to everything even from his first conversation with Renji, where he seems like he's about to spill the beans before being called to meeting. Of course Kubo wouldn't do that to spoil the massiveness later, but it does make one think after its all said and done.
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So that means that Aizen was going to tell Renji and then kill him right after I guess?
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Awww, Miracles. You made me get all nostalgic.
If I were to point out a flaw in the current Bleach I guess it's that Kubo is letting the story run away from him. SS, as Miracles said, was very well contained and plotted to fine detail. Hueco Mundo and beyond, however, is kinda all over the place.
Well, lets wait for HM to finish first.
@Tokoro:
You can boil a lot of OP down as well but Bleach is simple with the Arrancar/HM stuff. Heck, we get a bunch more new characters since after SS ended (in a series already overcrowded with under and un-developed characters), many of which are enemies at first, some of whom become allies, and all of which is just leading up to the final battle with Aizen.
One Piece is just as simple with the routine it has developed. With the island exploring, rescue a friend, and fight villain theme. Seriously we shouldn't expect this incredible revelation from children's comic books people.
In regarding Aizen BTW: you could actually suspect him being connected to everything even from his first conversation with Renji, where he seems like he's about to spill the beans before being called to meeting. Of course Kubo wouldn't do that to spoil the massiveness later, but it does make one think after its all said and done.
Haha, you say that after the fact.
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Bleach has some brilliant twists (Aizen's betrayal hinted at several volumes earlier in the "Flower on the Precipice" poem was pure effing genius) and we don't know what might come up next.
I wouldn't exactly call it brilliant, but it's good though!
Also, I really don't understand why people keep saying this might be over after this arc, wait wait wait, all you do is create another villain and stuff, it isn't that hard people, jeez, Bleach can go on for another 10 years if he wanted, so lets stop with this is the last arc stuff for this and other mangas!
The only way you can tell if it's ending if the author says it is, or if the goal was made, for ex. like Luffy finding One Piece, then you can say it is!
@Fire Fist:
The biggest fault with Bleach in my opinion, besides the limit to where the story can go after Aizen is defeated, is the shonen classic "This dude appeared out of nowhere" shtick. Even One Piece uses it (Kuma, Dragon, Garp), but nowhere near to the extent that Bleach does. Every time a character is in peril, someone pops out of nowhere, even if they seemed to be nowhere near the incident in question. It's okay if used once in a while, but cmon…
True, but Kuma, Garp, and Dragon was mentioned or had to do something with the story wayyyyyyy before they came into the main plot, and thats pretty much how most mangas go…..sure you can prepare for mangas, but characters are always gonna come out the blue, thats just how it works!
Bleach has been written as good as One Piece.
…..nononononononono, it's written good, don't get me wrong, but it's not as good as One Piece! But hey, that's yours and mine opinion!
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True, but Kuma, Garp, and Dragon was mentioned or had to do something with the story wayyyyyyy before they came into the main plot, and thats pretty much how most mangas go…..sure you can prepare for mangas, but characters are always gonna come out the blue, thats just how it works!
OK I have no idea what Garp incident you guys are thinking of where he "came out of nowhere".. and IIRC dragon wasn't mentioned prior to logue town where his out of nowhere apopearance was.
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Also, I really don't understand why people keep saying this might be over after this arc, wait wait wait, all you do is create another villain and stuff, it isn't that hard people, jeez, Bleach can go on for another 10 years if he wanted, so lets stop with this is the last arc stuff for this and other mangas!
Aizen has been behind EVERYTHING that happened in this series, so assuming that the series will end once they defeat Aizen is perfectly logical. Sure, Kubo COULD introduce another villain and continue the plot, but I think he should just end it while it's still good. Dragonball, for example, was entertaining from start to end, but the Buu-arc was pretty stupid, and you could easily tell that Toriyama was running out of ideas. Bleach might be shallow and generic, but at least the plot makes sense, and it doesn't seem like Kubo just pulls random twists out of his ***. (Notice how both Aizen's betrayal and Nel being an espada were hinted at earlier in the story.)
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OK I have no idea what Garp incident you guys are thinking of where he "came out of nowhere".. and IIRC dragon wasn't mentioned prior to logue town where his out of nowhere apopearance was.
Ok, you confused me on the Garp part are you agreeing with me, or not?, and I was talking about the Dragon part when he showed up at Logue Town, he was mentioned early in the series, and now or soon will play a major role!
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@Vegard:
Aizen has been behind EVERYTHING that happened in this series, so assuming that the series will end once they defeat Aizen is perfectly logical.
You know the old saying about 'don't assume,' It'll just make an ass out of U! Wow, is that bad. But kind of nifty how I avoided all that, huh?"
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Ok, you confused me on the Garp part are you agreeing with me, or not?, and I was talking about the Dragon part when he showed up at Logue Town, he was mentioned early in the series, and now or soon will play a major role!
Where in the manga does Garp come out of nowhere? (I'm not agreeing with anyone)
Where in the manga is Dragon first mentioned?
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One Piece is just as simple with the routine it has developed. With the island exploring, rescue a friend, and fight villain theme. Seriously we shouldn't expect this incredible revelation from children's comic books people.
I'm not denying OP is simple…its simplicity is what makes it so easy to get into. When you're into shonen, you have to be used to the cliches and the simplicity so that you can see what the mangaka does to expand on them or to get their point across. My problem is that while Kubo does have potential, he just wastes a lot of it with chapters that do little and a limited cast of many who get developed.
As for Bleach ending with Aizen, that's pretty much the direction its heading. While there are things that have yet to be fully revealed (the King's Dimension, Hell), all of the actions from the past to the present seem tied to him. And once he's gone (and maybe the rules are loosened up in SS), the story is over. He may return to it later like many mangaka to start something different but I doubt he would have much more to show once the main plot is stopped.
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Every manga has to have a main plot…some are shorter to reach than others. Doesnt make them any better or worse
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Where in the manga does Garp come out of nowhere? (I'm not agreeing with anyone)
Where in the manga is Dragon first mentioned?
Garp comes out of nowhere in Water 7. He just shows up outta nowhere with Coby and Helmeppo. He wasn't even mentioned at the Buster Call.
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@Fire Fist:
Garp comes out of nowhere in Water 7. He just shows up outta nowhere with Coby and Helmeppo. He wasn't even mentioned at the Buster Call.
Ah you mean like Doflamingo and Kuma came out of nowhere to attend the shichibukai meeting?
Or Brook showing up out of nowhere in the triangle?The way Garp showed up is imo not comparable to the way you previously described he situations in bleach concerning people showing up out of nowhere…
To me Garps appearance was just his introduction, and have very little to do with showing up to save the day.
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Every manga has to have a main plot…some are shorter to reach than others. Doesnt make them any better or worse
How far has the main plot of Kochikame progressed?
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Thats comparable to spongebob. You know what i mean
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Well Garp was first seen in the coverstory though.
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I did. Soul Society's culture was built up, and Ichigo's culture and in Karakura town.
Tokaru stated how One Piece constantly has new cultures built from the ground up with all the unique traditions and civilians examined fully rather than where people only fight from only a few certain places (Karakura, SS or Hueco).
You said Bleach also does this.
You have yet to prove this.
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Tokaru stated how One Piece constantly has new cultures built from the ground up with all the unique traditions and civilians examined fully rather than where people only fight from only a few certain places (Karakura, SS or Hueco).
You said Bleach also does this.
You have yet to prove this.
Read my long rant on Bleach carefully. The cultures were built up. We intereacted with Soul Societies norms and it's civilians. We even intereacted with HM's. One Piece's interactions with civilians and cultures turn out useless in the end.
@Tokoro:
I'm not denying OP is simple…its simplicity is what makes it so easy to get into. When you're into shonen, you have to be used to the cliches and the simplicity so that you can see what the mangaka does to expand on them or to get their point across. My problem is that while Kubo does have potential, he just wastes a lot of it with chapters that do little and a limited cast of many who get developed.
Kubo DEVELOPES characters that matter, unlike One Piece who develops characters that don't matter. Just cause he doesn't go out of his way to develope characters who are useless doesn't mean he has wasted potential.
As for Bleach ending with Aizen, that's pretty much the direction its heading. While there are things that have yet to be fully revealed (the King's Dimension, Hell), all of the actions from the past to the present seem tied to him. And once he's gone (and maybe the rules are loosened up in SS), the story is over. He may return to it later like many mangaka to start something different but I doubt he would have much more to show once the main plot is stopped.
Assumptions…..................
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You know the old saying about 'don't assume,' It'll just make an ass out of U! Wow, is that bad. But kind of nifty how I avoided all that, huh?"
You kind of missed the last two letters…
Anyways, Bleach is a good series, but I really wish that Kubo would get around to developing the characters that he created. Sure, this latest flashback developed the Vizards, Aizen's group, Urahara, and Yoruichi, but there's a bunch more characters out there that could still be developed (Isshin, Shunsui, Tousen, Gin, Yamamoto, and Komamura, for starters).
Kubo DEVELOPES characters that matter, unlike One Piece who develops characters that don't matter. Just cause he doesn't go out of his way to develope characters who are useless doesn't mean he has wasted potential.
Name one character that has been developed that doesn't matter. In the grand scheme of things, all of the characters that Oda develops seem to have a reason for being developed that has to do with progressing the story.
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People come on, this isnt One Piece its Bleach. Stop comparing it…there two separate series. Why does everything have to be about One Piece, its just a comic book...some of yall take it a little too seriously.