sigh Whatever. I don't care all that much about it, so don't think I'm all emo angsty.
"Up until now…" For some reason, that line sticks out to me. I don't really know why, though.
sigh Whatever. I don't care all that much about it, so don't think I'm all emo angsty.
"Up until now…" For some reason, that line sticks out to me. I don't really know why, though.
Don't worry Saloma. :) I'll probably be shaken if I found out Mr. Game&Watch was taken out. I would forgive that though if someone like Sukapon or Dr. Ryuta replaced him.
Unless tomorow is ness day… Arg Sakurai... thunder is the same, flash frezze is different, magnet is kind of different, fire is diferent, phisical game is diferent, so what, the up untill now aplies to every character though Mr. Cable, as alwais a non straight answer from sakurai, but this update, the rithm of character apareances, it is not jiggs but ness that is near, to say good bye or not.
I will have my revenge on sakurai, not for taking out ness of the rooster (not confirmed yet) but with all the GOD DAMN DOUBLESPEAK, he should be a politician...
Not you too maxterdaxter. Sakurai clearly said that Ness isn't in the series anymore. Read it. It is too confirmed.
One other thing about his moves that isn't about Ness: Why give him another move he doesn't even use in his own game? PK Freeze was a strange choice. Something like PK Love(?) would've made more sense. They replaced the only move Ness (groan) actually used with something Lucas (I believe) never did.
There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar. They are from the same family of PK users.
That's from the update maxterdaxter and Saloma. Sakurai said it.
One other thing about his moves that isn't about Ness: Why give him another move he doesn't even use in his own game? PK Freeze was a strange choice. Something like PK Love(?) would've made more sense. They replaced the only move Ness (groan) actually used with something Lucas (I believe) never did.
Did you even read this post? I wasn't complaining that his move was changed, I was complaining that it was changed to something he never used.
Yes, yes Saloma. I read your post. Lucas does something Ness did. It's not his PK Love. I understand that and sorry. I'm just clarifying for the final time that Ness isn't in the game because Sakurai obviously said so. At least that's just for maxterdaxter now. :)
Oh quote trowing, let me try this one:
PK FIRE
This is also quite different from Ness’s.
and this little jewell that I found in the smash forums, don't read jappanesse but stupid fake hope, let me use it:
いままでのスマブラシリーズに登場していた“ネス”という
キャラクターがいますが、リュカはそれに近いです。
PKを使う、同族ですしね。
いままで (ima made) = "until now, so far, up to the present"
eg. "There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series so far, and Lucas is very similar."
Anyone that can read japanesse, a little help.
When is a character deconfirmed, when a rumor is made that they won't be back? when a move is similar to a new character one? No, a character is deconfirmed when it is made an AT, or a Boss, or a PKBALL poke, or is a plain dumb choise.
You will use the special moves and the unaccurrate wording to say that he is gone.
I'll will use the phisical side of moves and the unaccurrate wording to say that it isn't deffinitive.
I hope not another little mac fiasgo.
Maxterdaxter, it was translated into English as "up until now". That says a lot. Sakurai states that Lucas is his replacement. There's no precedent that a character has to be deconfirmed according to the conditions you stated.
His A-moves are different and he has a different up-B move. The wording is clear. I would say you're in denial man. :(
Hmm checking a couple of walkthoughs it seems lucas doesn't know any of those moves. But did like ness know flash.
I guess sakurai decide why have only 3/4 when he can go full hog. Though I do aprove of someone other then the climbers having a freezing attack.
EDIT: Hey there's always a chance. If sakurai has proven anything it's that's he an unpredictable, yet loveable punk.
PK denial!!!
to the 16 pk
So, Ness almost officially joins the pile with Roy, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Young Link, hopefully Falco and maybe Shiek. Though it seems Lucas is just an updated Ness, more or less.
Don't feel bad maxterdaxter. Ness is in a better place now. He'll either be a suit-change for Lucas or an Assist Trophy. We all liked Ness (I think), but Sakurai decided that it was his time to go. He will be remembered in our hearts and minds.
I was Ness player and believe me when I say I love Mother… But instead of moaning about Ness not being there, you gotta pat Lucas on the back and tell him to go get 'em.
What I'm more worried about is that I was hoping Kumatora would replace Ness and Lucas would have his own moves... Yeah, it was wishful thinking, but whatcha gonna do? I'm glad Mother 3 is making it overseas in one form or another at all.
I suppose this semi-confirms PK Love as a Final Smash.
I like the PK Ice and the Snake Rope modes,I do want Ness to come back but it feels like he would be Assist Trophy or something else
I have the feeling that if black Shadow get's in brawl his moveset would be gannondorf's melee one cause it's perfect for him.Oh and Lucas only has two moves that are the same as Ness's but it don't mean ness is gone.
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"There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar. They are from the same family of PK users. "
This doesn't say anything at all about Ness's current status. It refers only to the past instances in time before our current moment in time and says nothing at all about what comes after. It is an entirely factual statement that Ness has appeared in every Smash Bros game up until now, even if he is in this game, because him being in this game does not affect him being in previous games. This does not confirm Ness. But this certainly does not deconfirm him.
If anything, Sakurai's huge emphasis on Lucas's alternate physical moves suggest to me that Lucas will be a Luigi to Ness's Mario, with somewhat similar B attacks and an entirely different… everything else. But as for whether or not Ness is even in the game I don't know, and neither does anyone here.
Also, if we get a damned Leaf Cable or someone equivalent every update saying "HUR HUR I TOLD YA SO GUYZ I WAS RITE YA SEE HUR HUR", I feel my lifespan might be shortened drastically.
EDIT: Hell, wait a second, looking at his moveset, it appears as though only PK Thunder is the same. The rest are drastically different.
Freeze: Duh
Fire: It says "It moves sideways, even in air", and "explodes" when it hits the target. Before it went diagonally in the air and just did damage over time.
Magnet: Look at the screenshot: it's not over his body as a barrier like Ness's is. It's in front of him, like a shield.
And even thunder I assume will have some nuances about it different that we don't see here.
This makes me think even more that Lucas will be a bit like a Luigi. His attacks are all very similar to Ness's in concept, but strikingly different in execution.
But, once again, since nobody can yet tell if Ness will even be in the game, this point is essentially pretty useless right now.
Ness might still be coming back, but Sakurai pretty much put the nail in the coffin for that debate with this update of moves.
I hated Ness….I never got that stupid PK thunder right and I always instead of shooting it at my ass to go up I'd shoot it at my head to go flying straight down...May his soul rest in peace and may this new comer get his arse handed to him!
Man I hope I see people from Arlong Park play this game Online so I can deliver some fresh Ownage to all of you!
Man I hope I see people from Arlong Park play this game Online so I can deliver some fresh Ownage to all of you!
We're holding a tournament around the time of the game's release.
Well, theres always the chance that Ness may be back as an AT?
Where's my PK Love, dammit.
@Cyringohn:
We're holding a tournament around the time of the game's release.
Consider me In!
16Characters of Ownage
I just think it'd be weird for hi mto go to such lengths to say that Lucas is different from Ness, just to totally dump Ness off. But whatever. At least PK Thunder isn't gimped anymore.
Leaf Cable wants Krystal in so it's not like his posts matter either way.
And CLERICSHADOW made one of the worst posts in the history of this thread
I've been looking forward to Lucas' moves for a long time now. I was really hoping that I wouldn't have to deal with that damn PK Thunder as a recovery anymore. As for the Ness being gone debate, I feel that it is unclear and that Sakurai is just taunting us. I think that Ness will make his return (possibly for this Friday update to screw with us.)
PK Thunder irks me, but Lucas' damn hair makes me want to play as him.
I'm just really happy about Lucas looking awesome.
I honestly can't say I 100% care about Ness coming back or not, since I like Lucas a lot more anyway.
Leaf Cable wants Krystal in so it's not like his posts matter either way.
You know she IS going to be in the game, one incarnation or the other right? :P
I was really hoping that I wouldn't have to deal with that damn PK Thunder as a recovery anymore.
You have no clue how many times I've died at Fourside because of PK Thunder's wonky range.
You know she IS going to be in the game, one incarnation or the other right? :P
Yeah when someone says "in the game" they obviously typically mean playable
Get a clue
@Cap'n:
Yeah when someone says "in the game" they obviously typically mean playable
Get a clue
If theres character that Carter hates, then its bound to be playable.
You have no clue how many times I've died at Fourside because of PK Thunder's wonky range.
Well, that mostly has to do with Fourside hating Ness. It was like Saffron City all over again.
@Cap'n Carter: Hold on there partner. I never said I "wanted" Krystal. I just stated she would be an inevitable replacement for Falco. Sheesh.
Some you guys really want to believe that Ness is still in the game even Sakurai says he's not. That's fine, keep dreaming. That would be stupid if both Ness and Lucas were in the game, especially when Sakurai said no clone characters.
All this uproar and denial over one character's removal, my goodness! XD
Except Sakurai never said anything about "no clones" anyway.
Some you guys really want to believe that Ness is still in the game even Sakurai says he's not.
Where?
That's fine, keep dreaming. That would be stupid if both Ness and Lucas were in the game, especially when Sakurai said no clone characters.
Sakurai said that both Ness and Lucas were very different…
All this uproar and denial over one character's removal, my goodness! XD
But the Ice Climbers weren't removed, even though all sources said they were…
Who needs Ness when we can have great characters like BALLOON FIGHTER
…All I'm doing is reading the update in plain English. Is it that difficult to get the hint from "up until now"? Generic Soda, if you look around this topic you'll see people like COWMAKAZE, maxterdaxter, Saloma and Cap'n Carter saying he's in the game.
Oh well. I'll just drop it. No one seems to believe it. I can't convince you guys. Don't say I didn't tell you so when you see Ness missing in the roster. -_-;
As for the no clones thing, Sakurai didn't say that? I hope there's no clones, that would suck.
@Cap'n Carter: Lay off! I have my taste and you have yours. Isn't there any characters you like that others don't that you would like to see playable? At least Balloon Fighter is a classic Nintendo character.
Balloon fighter is the worst game in the world and is responsible for Chernobyl.
Okay fine, I can live with you guys hating Balloon Fighter. At least we have Ice Climbers. Here's hoping that Ridley, K. Rool and Starfy make it into the game!
Generic Soda, if you look around this topic you'll see people like COWMAKAZE, maxterdaxter, Saloma and Cap'n Carter saying he's in the game.
…You shitting me?
I'll try again. Where does Sakurai say that Ness is 100% guaranteed to not put Ness in this game, no matter how much people BAAAAAAAAAAAW about it?
Who the hell is Starfy?
Sakurai says "up unil now" on the first paragraph of the update. That's my only proof and source! Maybe "up until now" means something different to you guys. Why must we argue about this? :(
It seems like the people I mentioned want Ness to be in the game but they're not claiming he is. My bad. Sorry.
Last I checked, Sakurai isn't actually the one who translates the site in to english anyways.
So it probably was somebody else's interpretation.
Believe what you guys want. I don't care. I read "up until now" to mean that Ness is replaced by Lucas. Our interpretations are different.
I didn't think everyone here would get so offended at the notion of Ness being replaced. It's nothing personal guys!
And so what if I want Balloon Fighter in the game and think Krystal will replace Falco. Don't any of you guys have corny/stupid/crazy character ideas for the game?
If tomorow's character isn't Ness I will surrender to your "truth", too tired to keep fighting for things that in the long turn didn't matter.
I didn't knew ness in Earthbound, even if I already finished that game, he was the anoying kid who fell easily to his own death, up untill I rediscovered smash, then I mained him, it is not about some 2d protagonist on an RPG of over 10 years, it is about the victories that I have with him, thanks to him, the hat, the "OK", the red and blue stripes, the shorts, the yo-yo, the killer grabs, the Dair, the reflecting bat, the double jump canceled headbut.
I'm holding on to hope since Lucas joined the brawl, I keep supervising him after each picture that he showed doing any attack, any pose, anything of him that diferenciates him to Ness, today I get completely diferents Upsmash, downsmash, grab, and Bair, but a whole clone of his B.
Each of Lucas's updates were about his diferences to Ness, half of him is old half is new, so what is with the negative that Ness doesn't get a similar treatment?
But I'm tired, Little Mac fiasgo lowered my self confidence on predicting characters, so whatever, tomorow is the last day that I will wait for Ness, after that… I'm done.
PD: no hard feelings to lucas though
No problem maxterdaxter. Like I said, no hard feelings. That includes you Cap'n Carter! I'm not mad at anyone or anything stupid like that. This is a petty topic to get worked up over.
If Ness is confirmed, then I will surrender to your "truth" as well. :)
Believe what you guys want. I don't care. I read "up until now" to mean that Ness is replaced by Lucas. Our interpretations are different.
If it can be interpreted different than theres no 100%.
Point taken Zephos. I didn't look at it like that. Can we drop it now? :(
How come I'm always made out to be the bad guy in these petty arguments?
Don't any of you guys have AWESOME character ideas for the game?
fix'd
KARNOV for Brawl!
Also, why are some people set on Ridley being a playable character? Always seemed like a perfect boss for single player.
Kraid and mother brain are more "bosslike" that him, he is in the only other relevant metroid character with a shot at being playable, unless you want the alien mogles or chocobos that helped samus around.