Indeed, this season has indeed been awesome. The bog is living up to its glorious hype. I can't wait for the grand finale. It's gonna be so effin awesome:D
Kaiji
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The soundtrack for season two has arrived btw.
I thought the soundtrack for the first one was awesome but this is even better, I listened to it for three days straight ___ I love the entire album, but Fate and Numa have to be my favourite songs.
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Kaiji Season 2 is really good, keeping up the good work from the first season. Caught up with the latest episode today. Good animation, good plot, good voice actors… awesome.
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i started reading this but it sems the chaps in mangareader are not complete
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Yeah also started reading it, but then i decided to go with the anime for the first part of the series…
I also started now the second part with the anim, but i guess the thrid part i will read, because i like more to read mangas afterall. -
The third part is only interesting when you know the rules of mahjong if you dont know about Mahjong… the game is really boring... but if when you get in the the next part.... it becomes really really intense and interesting.
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Season I - Episode 5
I don't know how Kaiji suspected that Kitami played paper. I don't understand Kaiji's explanation at:
16:41 - 17:54
Due to my lack of English, I cannot understand that part. About stop buying 'them' (what is them? papers probably), odd-even cards.
Can someone help me please?
Thanks.
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Pairs of the same card can be used to create ties, so having an even number of a type of card means that you can get rid of all of that type of card. Since to advance to the next round you need to have zero cards left, this is important. Kaiji predicted that Kitami's team didn't bother to make their number of "Paper" cards an even number since they would be using them to fight Kaiji. So once he found out that Kitami had just one card left, he was able to guess with reasonable certainty that it would be Paper. Hope that helped!
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Yes Gokuyuske, I understand that completely. That makes perfect sense now.
Thank you a lot.
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We've finally made it to the final and strongest obstacle. This arc has been just fantastic. I can't wait till Kaiji puts it in the hole. Just these near hits have been charged with drama and emotion that elate your soul to the highest peaks (only for it to crash back down lol). Imagine how ecstatic everyone is gonna be at the climax.
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New episode out. Just 2 more left.
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Yes. Next week's the one we've all been waiting for.
I just hope they do the next anime with less than a 3 year gap like there was between seasons 2 and 3. Part 3 of Kaiji has been over for quite a long time. So there's no reason it can't be too soon.
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The animation of this episode was fantastic. It was really like Fukumoto's manga panels were coming to life. Those faces especially Kaiji's one in the end were spot on! Man, I'm really excited for next week's episode. I can't wait to see how Kaiji gets out of this!
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The new episode is out super early!!!
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Anyone else reading the third series? I'm enjoying it so far. The new villain creeps me out.
I thought the second series' anime adaptation was a disappointment. They just removed so much stuff from the manga, and Ichijou doesn't look as cool in red hair.
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I thought the second series' anime adaptation was a disappointment. They just removed so much stuff from the manga, and Ichijou doesn't look as cool in red hair.
Madhouse removed a lot from the manga? Damn that's annoying. I happened to really enjoy series two but that's probably because it's my only frame of reference. Is the stuff they remove essential to the future narrative? If so should I invest my time into the manga or just wait for series three? Personally I thought Ichijou was wearing that red hair with style. He isn't really a character that embodies "cool", instead was nothing more than a showman who was thwarted by his own facade. Well that's my interpretation of him anyway.
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Madhouse removed a lot from the manga? Damn that's annoying. I happened to really enjoy series two but that's probably because it's my only frame of reference. Is the stuff they remove essential to the future narrative? If so should I invest my time into the manga or just wait for series three? Personally I thought Ichijou was wearing that red hair with style. He isn't really a character that embodies "cool", instead was nothing more than a showman who was thwarted by his own facade. Well that's my interpretation of him anyway.
Don't worry about that, it shouldn't be a problem to just wait for the third season (or read it like I'm doing). I just felt that some of the characters were slightly more fleshed out in the original work. For example, in the manga, Otsuki is seen sitting in a corner being all >:C when they're broadcasting the Bog gamble to the underground laborers. His inner monologue made him seem a lot more corrupt than we thought before (which says a lot I guess).
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Anyone else reading the third series? I'm enjoying it so far. The new villain creeps me out.
I thought the second series' anime adaptation was a disappointment. They just removed so much stuff from the manga, and Ichijou doesn't look as cool in red hair.
I dunno, maybe it's because I saw anime Ichijou first but I prefer him with red hair. It fits his "fabulous" nature. Plus I hated early manga Ichijou. He looked WAAAY too bishie. Thank God Fukumoto fixed him up a bit as he went along and that the anime took some of the later models.
Madhouse removed a lot from the manga? Damn that's annoying. I happened to really enjoy series two but that's probably because it's my only frame of reference. Is the stuff they remove essential to the future narrative? If so should I invest my time into the manga or just wait for series three? Personally I thought Ichijou was wearing that red hair with style. He isn't really a character that embodies "cool", instead was nothing more than a showman who was thwarted by his own facade. Well that's my interpretation of him anyway.
The games themselves were fairly untouched. But they took out a bit too much of the in-betweens for my taste. Basically they greatly changed the beginning cutting out Hyoudo's kickass speech about getting more money and Endoh being pissed about Hyodo's new number one man and how it's Kaiji's fault that Tonegawa was gone. Then Kaiji tracks him down and slashes his tyres to force him to get him into another gamble. And that's how he gets caught. Far better than Endo just bumping into Kaiji. They also greatly condensed Kaiji's time with Koutarou where he lives in his house for a while (and cleans it sometimes!) and Koutarou reminiscing about buying a new house to get back his family and other emotional, character-building stuff. They also cut out the subplot about Kaiji contemplating stealing Koutarou's 6 million and betting it on the horses himself. And they really dropped the ball, in my opinion, on the ending. They cut out a bunch of stuff but I guess anything to cram the final volume into one episode. So yeah, great anime but the omissions hurt. I blame that waste of an episode 14 that was nothing but a crummy ass clip show of season 1.
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Seconding what Thousand Lion-chan said.
On another note, I was shuffling through the soundtracks of the Kaiji seasons (as well as Akagi) and I noticed that season 2's music is a lot more upbeat than the first's. Not complaining or anything, I just felt that it reflects the general mood of both series.
To be honest, while I do enjoy reading Kaiji 3, I would rather have an anime adaptation of some other Fukumoto work. Preferably Legend of the Strongest Man Kurosawa or _Ten_, which are my favorites. Akagi is a prequel to the latter, for those who don't know.
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Well Kurosawa was in the opening of Kaiji season 2 so…who knows? There is hope.
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@Thousand:
Well Kurosawa was in the opening of Kaiji season 2 so…who knows? There is hope.
Oh yeah, I had almost forgotten about that! Seeing him next to Kaiji made me smile. They are kind of similar when you think about it. Speaking of said opening, I really can't stand the music for it. It's just too noisy. Which is a shame, because the animation itself is superb. I would have preferred something like the first season's OP, which is an awesome cover of
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I…like it. Opening 1 is far better naturally and I hated opening 2 at first but...it grew on me. Can't stand the full version though.
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They're re-printing Buraiden Gai in a sort of… just slightly-larger volume form. For some reason, I guess playing of Fukumoto's popularity. The 2nd live-action Kaiji moving has done really well in the box office. So perhaps there's a possibility of some of Fukumoto's other manga being adapted.
Like, Tobaku Haouden Zero, or Saikyou Densetsu Kurosawa, or Buraiden Gai, or more of Akagi ~Yami ni Oritatte Tensai~, or Hero - Gyakkyou no Touhai, or Seizon Life, or Atsuize Tenma, or Ten - Tenna Toori no Kaidanji, or... one of his like 15 other manga.
He actually does a lot of them at the SAME TIME, but goes on long hiatuses for each to work on others for a while.This week's Tobaku Datenroku Kaiji Kazuya-Hen was really good... Didn't expect that, really. Now I dunno what the hell's gonna happen.
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From what I hear the fourth series is really bad.
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I think it's really amazing. It goes deep into the characters and becomes a battle for proving human nature. And it's an interesting game with well established rules and a lot of cool twists.
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From what I've ehard, the people who don't like part 4 are just kinda pissed that Kaiji keeps running around in circles and making the same mistakes over and over. But I dunno, isn't that part of human nature, where you have to screw up many times to get the point? Anywho, not that I would know since I've only watched the first two parts.
crosses fingers for Kaiji season 3
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Since you read it, could you perhaps write a short summary of Kazuya-hen, kewl?
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From what I've heard, it involves russian roulette where you get to bet different body parts or bodily fluids (blood) at different rates but that's all I heard. Oh and Kaiji gets buried alive at some point.
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@Thousand:
From what I've heard, it involves russian roulette where you get to bet different body parts or bodily fluids (blood) at different rates but that's all I heard. Oh and Kaiji gets buried alive at some point.
That… does sound kind of interesting.
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Nothing even remotely close to that happens.
Uh, here's a really brief summary. I didn't read it in great detail and I didn't finish reading part 3, so I don't know it all 100%. Also don't quote me on any of the numbers I'm doing this from memory.
! At the end of Part 3 Kaiji beat that Majong guy and has 400 million or whatever the prize was. He leaves with Kazuya in his car. Kazuya is Chairman Hyoudou's son and is a spoiled brat type guy. Kazuya and Kaiji are hanging out, I'm not really sure why Kaiji is staying with him. Kazuya shows Kaiji the grave he got Kaiji… And they talk about insurance or something, I skipped over most of that part.
Then they go to a family restaurant and discuss the nature of people. Kauzya says that when people are threatened with their life or torture they'll ALWAYS betray, kill, or do whatever they have to to save themselves. Kaiji insists he knows that's not true, he cites the incident with Ishida. He shows Kaiji a book he wrote, and talks about how he wants to be a novelist. For fun, because he's already rich. Kaiji reads the book, it's about an ugly old man who liked this pretty girl who ran away with her beautiful boyfriend. Then the ugly old man puts the couple in this gamble where they are in a big sort of metal suit and can't move. Each suit has like 10 holes which a sword can be inserted in. Most of the holes have "blocks" but others will let the sword go through and stab the person. And they have a limited number of stabs they have to do and can't repeat holes. So they have to pick numbered holes until they meet the number and they'll go free. But the total number of stabs can be in either person's suits. At first they're caring for each other then eventually they betray each other and they both end up dead in the end.
! Kaiji argues that the story is too well written and realistic to be made up, and Kazuya admits it really happened and he was the old man. Then the walls go up revealing they're a one-way wall, so there's a room they're looking at where a gamble takes place. Kaiji has no stakes in it, but it involves 3 Asians (A Chinese a Japanese and a Philipino) who had come from poor lives and became close friends. They're involved in a gamble and if they win they get some huge amount of money they can win. I think one of the guys needed surgery or something.
! The gamble is that the three people wear a helmet which has music playing so they can't hear each other. If they lose the game, the helmets will crush their heads. Each helmet has a red light on top. The structure of the game is they sit in a chair on this sort of 3-step stairway thing. One on the bottom in the front, one on the second level in the middle, and one on top in the back. So the person in front can't see the two behind/above him, the 2nd guy can see the person in front, and the 3rd guy in the back/top can see both others. They have to go I think 20 (Something like that) rounds of this game. Each round they're randomly put on a stair and put in a seat belt. Each round, they are randomly places on one of the stairs and buckled in the seats, and randomly one of their helmets will have the red light go on. After 30 seconds have passed but before 1 minute has passed, the one with the red light on has to press a button to unbuckle themselves then hit a big button in the front of the room to stop the clock. At this point a small original value of money doubles, and when all 20 rounds run out it becomes the big 100 million or whatever they're going for.
! Now, if you're in the back stair, you can see both other people's heads, so you can tell whose light is on. If you're farther in front you can't tell with your eyes. They eventually develop a trick of holding up their hands and slowly lowering them, so the guy in back can hit it as soon as he can. If that guy doesn't the second guy does. And if he doesn't, the 3rd guy hits it. And the higher ones know how much time they have based on how slowly the other two are lowering their hands, to make sure they get the big button pressed at the right time. Also, if the time runs out, the one who had the red light on (That's call the Savior. The others are called the Hostages.) gets all the money in the pot and the other two die.
! So then crazy stuff happens, origin stories, Kaiji and Kazuya talk and debate, Kazuya generally keeps the rules the same but eventually tweaks things to get them to doubt each other and stuff. Right now they're at like the 2nd or 3rd to last round where the pot is really big but stuff keeps happening. Psychological and logical and all kinds of humanistic things. Most of part 4 is them playing this gamble. -
Okay, thanks. I'm interested in the fourth series now. Kazuya seems fun, I've seen a lot of fanart of him.
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Jesus…man the series sure seems different from it's beginning. But I guess in a good way.
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Jesus…man the series sure seems different from it's beginning. But I guess in a good way.
Yeah, I'm curious about where this will go next.
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Just finished watching the series, and I fucking loved it.
One of the most satisfying moments for me when Otsuki lost, I laughed my ass off. And the moment which made me cringe the most was when Ichijou pushed needles under Kaiji's fingernails.
The lastest episode depressed me a bit, thanks to Endou betraying him like that and Sakazaki leaving him before Kaiji got the chance to ask him for money. Still, I couldn't help but laugh when he gambled away his remaining money :lmao
Reading the manga now.
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FMKMT Crazy has started working on part 3 now, it seems. They're just starting volume 4. And they're doing that while doing part 1 and also Akagi at weird irregular jumps. Like there are entire volumes of Akagi in the middle that haven't been scanlated in different places but they're like dozens of chapters done past those.
What's happening in part 4 of the manga right now is pretty interesting. It seems like it's going into sort of the "new section" of the part where the action or game changes. No one's scanlated any of part 4 yet, though. I'm sure EVENTUALLY all of this stuff's gonna get done. There are some really good scanlators working hard on all of Fukumoto's works.
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I really cannot emphasize on the great work that Sonickrazy had done for the translating the gap chapters of Akagi.
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Ohh, finally some updates on series 3!
Shouldn't there be a Fukumoto general thread where we can discuss his other manga? Kaiji is pretty much his gateway series and it's popular enough to have a separate thread. Just an idea.
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I think it's a good idea and I wanted to see the people here discussing their opinions about other FKMT works like Gin to Kin or Kurosawa.
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Oook. In that case, I really liked Kurosawa. Had some really good emotion to it on a subject I hadn't thought much about. It's a good discussion about finding meaning in life.
I read Seizon - Life, also. That's only written by him, not drawn. Probably because of the more heavy and emotional nature, his cartoony art style wouldn't work, but you could tell his sort of "slowly delving out the logic" and "how can I have something get in the way, then they solve it?" kind of plot structure. A little too depressing though.
Buraiden Gai I read recently. That was good, had some interesting logic and more of his "human nature" kind of story.There's a group that's started Kin to Gin. I haven't read any yet, but probably will as it goes on.
There are a few more shorter series Fukumoto has done, a lot of which are only one volume that came out in like, the 80's or 90's so they're harder to find. I'd be cool if eventually his whole collection of works got scanlated at some point, though. -
I still think that Saikyo Densetsu Kurosawa is the best work Fukumoto has ever done. He takes a serious, meaningful topic and flawlessly handles it till the very end. Characters and emotions are just top notch and by the end of the story you are invested in it like your life depends on it. And that investment pays off like a jack pot you never dreamed of getting. Superb manga.
Akagi, Kaiji and Zero are next on my list, but all of them are ongoing and yet to be fully translated.
Seizon - Life sound interesting. Strange, but it's the first time I hear about it. Might pick it up next.
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All of Fukumoto works are incredible, especially Kurosawa and Gin to Kin, he did an excellent job with the emotions, tensions and thoughts in their respective themes (Like Kewl said, they started Gin to Kin recently, but I'm feeling the awesomeness in it).
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When I started Akagi,Kaiji and Zero, I first thought Fukumoto was doing the same story, only changing the main characters and games, almost losing interest in reading two of them. But changed my mind by noticing that he probably did it on purpose, telling the same story with different perspectives through the different personalities of the main characters and the different points of view in each series. -
Thoughts on everything I've read/watched from him.
Akagi: Good stuff, but I'm still learning mahjong. Will probably rewatch it later. This is the series that got me into FKMT.
Ten: My favorite. It reveals what makes Akagi strong and has a heart-breaking finale with some existential themes. First two volumes are a bit awkward but it gets a lot better (the series was on-going for 13 years I think). This needs an anime adaptation.
Kaiji: Oh man, I'm not sure where to start. Kaiji is a very emotional series. Series 2 is probably my favorite, I prefer the manga over the anime though. Series 3 seems promising.
Zero: I'm in the minority that don't like Zero that much. It's too fast-paced to be exciting, and most gambles are far-fetched. With that said, the Anchor quiz was gold, and I'm curious about where the story is going.
Kurosawa: Manly tears from start to finish.
Gai: Probably his most philosophical work, but not necessarily the best. Certain parts such as the "dog room" dragged on for too long.
Tenma: An alright mahjong one-shot. Supposedly autobiographical. It's too short for me to have any thoughts on it. The "priest" villain cracked me up though.
Confession: I kinda saw the twist ending coming. Still a good read.
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Oh god, Kurosawa is amazing and ruined my day completely.
! The only other manga to do that was Battle Royale… except in a bad way
Edit: Also… MURDER MYSTERY YOU SAY. I'm there!
Haven't watched the gambling shows yet, but I want to. Are they easy to grasp even I don't understand the games?
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With mahjong series like Akagi or Kaiji part 3, you won't understand anything if you don't know the rules.
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But for the rest you can follow perfectly, Fukumoto usually creates unique games with their own rules based on other games, because he thinks on readers who don't know the normal rules of a poker game, for example.EDIT: Talking about this remembered me of this interview.
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Yeah, if you want to read/watch Akagi and Ten (one is not complete without the other) you'll have to know at least the basic rules of mahjong. Kaiji and Zero are a lot easier to follow, although the third series of the former has a variation of mahjong, like GAG said.
… Come to think of it, I know close to nothing about Fukumoto as a person. I know that his birthday is the 10th of December since it's the same as Kurosawa and the day before mine, but that's about it. Like, does he have a family? He does strike me as a 'gentlemanly loner' kind of guy.
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My god, the narrator in that "interview" thing was horrible…
I've still gotta read Confession and Tenma.
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Sorry for the short revival, but Gin to Kin releases are constant and 3 new chapter are out today:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/gin_to_kin/
It's interesting to read, Fukumoto did a good job.
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Yeah, I've talked a bit with the scanlator on Tumblr and they seem really nice. About time someone picked that series up. Also…
! Miyoshi screwed up. Muraoka won the round. Kaiji is once again forced to borrow money, from the "young master" guy (I know his actual name but it's a spoiler). He's convinced that he can make it, which probably means that he's screwed.
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So has there been any news on Season 3 from Madhouse yet? I'm hoping Kaiji gets a full adaption compared to something like One Outs where they gave it the most vague and anticlimactic ending possible.