Garp was pretty much conflicted the whole war. I think there's a quote like "…family is different… what am I supposed to do!?" at some point, dunno where exactly. He was torn between his loyalty to the Marines and his love for Ace, sided with the former for the greater part of the war but actually seeing Ace die caused him to snap which led to him wanting to attack Akainu in a rage. That's basically it.
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Akainu was attacking Luffy, remember, and Ace died saving him. If anyone understands the close relationship of those two boys, it's Garp, so on top of the grief over Ace's death, he had the horror of watching the incredibly violent way he died. It would have been hard to watch him executed, too, but he recognized Ace's choices put him on that platform (Garp is about nothing if not tough love, right? That sort of end fits his view of proper justice under the circumstances, if still painful), and essentially he could comfort himself at least a tiny bit with the idea that it would have been fast and almost painless if done efficiently and well.
As it happened, though, Ace lingered in incredible pain, after Akainu fisted him, and then Luffy broke. As a parent I can't even begin to tell you how incredibly painful that scene would have been to witness, regardless of the circumstances. It was incredibly well written.
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I think Garp fell alsleep while Sengoku held him down so he missed everything later on.
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Why did luffy's arm turn black when he used his new techinque?
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- It's just a visual effect to show that he's using Haki so he doesn't have to say it every time.
- It's "vulcanization". Hardened rubber turns black, etc
Take your pick. I think the former is the more popular option by quite a bit. Maybe someone else can provide further insight.
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Will Vegapunk be a 'good guy' or a 'bad guy?'.. I put quotations because sometimes the lines are mixed in OP
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Will Vegapunk be a 'good guy' or a 'bad guy?'.. I put quotations because sometimes the lines are mixed in OP
Well make of this what you will
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I think he's a good guy seeing as how he honored Kuma's condition to program him to protect the Thousand sunny. He also was dedicated to doing something good for his home island (I think it was to make it warmer? I need to reread that chapter)
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I think he's a good guy seeing as how he honored Kuma's condition to program him to protect the Thousand sunny. He also was dedicated to doing something good for his home island (I think it was to make it warmer? I need to reread that chapter)
This one yeah?
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Ah yes that's it. Although he was a child when he tried to do that. Maybe he lost sight of that dream as he grew older and started working for the government.
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Ah yes that's it. Although he was a child when he tried to do that. Maybe he lost sight of that dream as he grew older and started working for the government.
Maybe not - perhaps the means justified the ends for him.
Needless to say he chose to allow Kuma to keep a mission for an indeterment time - protecting the Strawhats ship.
Also borrowing a phrase from JD - the moral compass for One Piece can vary a lot between characters - the ones we are cheering are for all intents and purposes the "bad" guys according to the World Government.
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The deal with Kuma does not say wheter he's a good or a bad guy. Kuma volunteered to be changed into a cyborg, and as long as he had his human mind, he could have used the modifications on him against the WG and become a revolutionary/pirat again.
It's like "If you want me, there are conditions".
The fact that he wanted to help the people of his contry indicates that he's not completly bad though (or at least he was not at this time).
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It feels like they had some kind of hold on Kuma for turning him into a mindless zombie-robot. He couldn't have wanted that 100% freely…
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What do you think will be the match ups against the BB's if the current episode with Shank's crew is a indication.
I think 4 match ups after this episode will happen to 100 %
Luffy/Shanks vs BS
Zoro/Ben vs Shilew
Usopp/Lysopp vs Auger
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I still can't see that fight happening. While Shanks gets older and weaker (even Reyleigh and WB said, they can't defeat age), BB gets stronger via his second DF and learning to control it. If Shanks wasn't able to defeat him that time they fought, it won't get better… I still see Shanks words to BB as seeing him as the strongest force alive on the battlefield and BB answer as "I'm not yet able to fight at yonkoulevel".
And if that fight really happens (what is definetly possible, all our assumptions can be proven wrong or right by Oda, it's still his manga...) I can't see that it'll be Luffy and Shanks vs. BB. BB seems to be the final opponent for the SHC, and it'll be lame if Luffy would still need help there. It should be his "masterpiece of fighting and gaining respect", so he should fight alone along with his own crew. Besides: two on one is not fair
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I still can't see that fight happening. While Shanks gets older and weaker (even Reyleigh and WB said, they can't defeat age), BB gets stronger via his second DF and learning to control it. If Shanks wasn't able to defeat him that time they fought, it won't get better… I still see Shanks words to BB as seeing him as the strongest force alive on the battlefield and BB answer as "I'm not yet able to fight at yonkoulevel".
And if that fight really happens (what is definetly possible, all our assumptions can be proven wrong or right by Oda, it's still his manga...) I can't see that it'll be Luffy and Shanks vs. BB. BB seems to be the final opponent for the SHC, and it'll be lame if Luffy would still need help there. It should be his "masterpiece of fighting and gaining respect", so he should fight alone along with his own crew. Besides: two on one is not fair
Well i am pritty sure Shanks is not as old as Blackbeard so the only weakness Shanks has is that he only has one arm and Blackbeard does not fight fair so he could do something to make it so Shanks can't use his one arm (Blackbeard let the marines beat on Whitebeard to weaken him and even then Blackbeard still needed his crew to help him to win)
I just looked it up Blackbeard is one year older than Shanks
Shanks is 39 after 2 year timeskip
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Shanks
Blackbeard is 40 after 2 year timeskip
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Marshall_D._TeachI wonder if Shirahoshi's mom is gigantic too. If not, then that must have been one tough delivery.
The tomb/grave where she is buried seems pretty large so it's a high chance she was big to
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/78750707/18@JERK:
That's how she died.
No she was killed by someone we don't know by who yet but not by giving birth however you are probly just trolling as always.
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wow and you answered him ?
wow, just wow…
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I have always been curious could bonny be daughter of white beard? their is a lot of evidence to prove she cares for him deeply in the war arc. Just leave your comments on what you guys think
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Here's something nice that may be a possible explanation of Bonney's reaction, and the fact that she got to BB to fight him :
I mentioned before how some in 2ch are speculating Bonney having connection to the Gol family.
- Bonney's name most likely comes from the famous real-life female pirate pair, Anne & Bonney
- Rouge was going to name her child Anne if it's a girl, Ace if it's a boy
- Bonney is from South Blue, same as Rogue
- Bonney's anger at the war where Ace is being executed
Anyways, pondering on that theory, I just thought of something.
Rouge stayed pregnant for 20 month to fake out the marines, so Ace wouldn't be hunted down.
A lot of people ridiculed this plot development.But…. wouldn't this be completely feasible and believable if Bonney's power was involved?
Props to Aohige and 2ch's people of course.
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Those're some very interesting thoughts.
I wonder, though… I feel like it's significant that she was shown crying when she saw Whitebeard being injured in the war. Or maybe it was just coincidence that Oda showed her crying at that moment? Dunno.
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She was so happy that dangerous pirate was finally beaten she started crying.
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I have always been curious could bonny be daughter of white beard? their is a lot of evidence to prove she cares for him deeply in the war arc. Just leave your comments on what you guys think
Well he might have been protecting her home island instead because if he was her father then she should have headed to marineford knowing he would go to save Ace and help the Whitebeard pirates in the war and if she knew the Whitebeard pirates then she should have gone with them into the new world to attack Blackbeard instead of just herself and her crew.
It also might have been Ace instead as well because he was the one that was getting killed and Blackbeard was the one that handed Ace into the Marines.
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There should definitely be something really important about Bonney. In-between her crying as she watched the war and the absolute justice machine that is Akainu getting "chills down his spine" when he heard that she had ran away from the WG, I can't believe it's something as simple as WB protecting her island and that's the whole of it.
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It's most likely D. related, the details ? Time will reveal them…
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I would lol if Bonney will claim WB as her "Sugah Daddeh". :ninja:
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I'm really curious about this Bronze character on Roger's ship. Judging by his name he was most likely the third strongest of the crew, much like Sanji. I hope he isn't dead and we see him later in the NW. Although if he's retired from the pirate business then I don't see why he would settle in the most dangerous part of the GL rather than some comfortable island like Saboady, as Rayleigh did.
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In regards to Vegapunk:
I think he's neutral, neither good nor bad. He's just a prominent intellectual figure whose developments and discoveries are crucial to the world of One Piece.
He uses his genius to help all of mankind and has elected the best means in his opinions to do so, i.e. the World Govt. So he makes developments like the Kuma-bots, but has nothing restricting him from assisting Kuma as a Pirate or Revolutionary.Don't you know anything about science? -
Was it ever explained in the manga, what happens if you eat 2 Devil Fruits? I know Blackbeard was able to get 2 DF powers, but he didn't eat two fruit to gain it, so what would happened?
Edit: I found this explanation on answers.com but its not yet proven - "Each devil fruit contains a demon. If you eat two devil fruits, the two demons inside you battle each other until you die. This has been said but not proven. It apperars this is not true in some cases such as in the case of Blackbeard."
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It was mentioned by Marco I think that Blackbeard is a special case, but it's pretty clear that for the normal human you die if you eat two fruits. There was no reason for Blueno to lie about that.
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No bashing or something cuz Zoro is my second fav… but one question..: Where people get the info from that the poor guy Zoro is always handicaped?
Seriously besides Hatchan... Were he have been truly handicaped that much or more than the others?
Just for comparing
AP excluded cuz here he was truly the most handicaped for ONE single time
Arabasta
Sanji - had to overcome Mr 2 abilities
Zoro - Zoro had to learn cutting steal and voercome Mr 1
Luffy - Had to learn Croc's weaknessSkypia
Sanji - No fight
Zoro - No handicap besides overcoming Mantra
Luffy - Had to overcome mantra and had to pull a fucking golden bell and running up a tree with it to punch Enel straight into the faceEL
Sanji - Having let himself being owned against Khalifa but was fine against Jabura
Zoro - Was handcuffed with Zoro but after that he was perfectly fine
Luffy - was perfectly fineTB
Sanji - Had to protect Nami
Zoro - Had 2 swords
Luffy - Moria was no single opponent and there was no 1 on 1So please. Where are Zoro's handicaps are bigger than from the others? So I really dunno where people get this mythos from.
A hadicap is something you have like being injured before that like against Hatchan. If not than most of the SHs had some sort of handicaps in their fights.
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You forgot the one when he fought against Cabaji while he has been wounded by Buggy's stab.
In Arabasta Luffy was the most handicaped since he had to fight a Logia in his own element, but a swordsman vs a steelman wasn't that easy either, so the difference in handicap wasn't that big. As for Sanji, well i can't consider it a handicap…
Skypiea : he had to face an enemy that attacks from dead angles/without seeing his target.
Davy Back Fight (doesn't really count but oh well) : he had to play a clean game against 3 huge (size) cheaters without his swords, but Sanji was a good replacement.
TB : Fought Oars like everyone while Luffy was only purchasing Moria, was beaten to death, THEN fought Kuma alone, was blown away by Ursus shock, fought him again and received special treatment while everyone was asleep.
Vs the Pacifistas, his wounds from Kuma weren't healed yet.
So Maybe he wasn't the most handicaped all the time, but his handicaps were real huge.
After that were not talking about the ID/War arcs right ?
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Wee I always was speaking about 1 vs 1 fights, And if all that besides Hatchan were handicaps than all other Shs had handicaps as well.
VS the PXs he could even at full power do shit. They would still have been owned at all.
Sanji and Mr2. Even if it was a stupid one. it was still a handicap cuz Sanji would never kick Nami.
At TB he had to fight Absalom while saving Nami taking a knive into his bacl and fighting oars as well. And he still was able to stant up after Ursus shock
I just find that his "handicaps" are overhyped. For example against Ohm or Mr 1. If this is a handicap than Usopp and all other had handicaps as well cuz they had to overtcome the special abilities of their opponents
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Wee I always was speaking about 1 vs 1 fights, And if all that besides Hatchan were handicaps than all other Shs had handicaps as well.
Every SH had handicaps in the majority of their fights, what i'm trying to say is that Zoro's (and the monster trio's in general) were much bigger, if people said Zoro's were bigger than everyone else's then yes it's too overhyped.
VS the PXs he could even at full power do shit. They would still have been owned at all.
But they wouldn't have been owned this easily, because aside from kuma/kizaru/Sentoumaru, the PX weren't that big of a threat (the first one at least, the other wasn't alone)
Sanji and Mr2. Even if it was a stupid one. it was still a handicap cuz Sanji would never kick Nami.
Sanji was restraining himself, wich isn't a handicap, while Zoro couldn't harm Mr.1 because he was uncuttable, so the difference is pretty clear i believe.
At TB he had to fight Absalom while saving Nami taking a knive into his bacl and fighting oars as well. And he still was able to stant up after Ursus shock
True. I forgot about Absalom, but let us see what happened :
Sanji protecting Nami vs invisible Absalom (wich yes was a big disadvantage)
Sanji and Zoro vs Oars (with Zoro fighting much longer and receiving much damage)
Zoro alone vs Kuma : self explanatory.
Ursus Shock.
Zoro fighting Kuma again.
The Sanji and Zoro stuff with Kuma.
Sanji collapses.
Zoro and the fucking huge paw that fucked him up that badly.So till the ursus shock they weren't too even and after that Zoro still had another addition to his handicap meter, but hhey we're not talking about who was able to stand up or not, i'm just trying to show that Zoro was the one to be the most handicaped in TB and that same handicap showed up against the PX's (it was the same as the Mihawk fight the Hachi)
I just find that his "handicaps" are overhyped. For example against Ohm or Mr 1. If this is a handicap than Usopp and all other had handicaps as well cuz they had to overtcome the special abilities of their opponents
It's just as i said above, all had handicaps, but the three guys had bigger handicaps, and Zoro was the most and/or the second most handicaped.
At Skypiea the only handicaped ones were Luffy and Zoro,I mean Ohm wasn't that easy, attacking with a whip sword without even the opponent seeing him. It's like a mouse trying to escape from an owl while not even knowing where or when it'll attack.
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Every SH had handicaps in the majority of their fights, what i'm trying to say is that Zoro's (and the monster trio's in general) were much bigger, if people said Zoro's were bigger than everyone else's then yes it's too overhyped.
But they wouldn't have been owned this easily, because aside from kuma/kizaru/Sentoumaru, the PX weren't that big of a threat (the first one at least, the other wasn't alone)
Sanji was restraining himself, wich isn't a handicap, while Zoro couldn't harm Mr.1 because he was uncuttable, so the difference is pretty clear i believe.
True. I forgot about Absalom, but let us see what happened :
Sanji protecting Nami vs invisible Absalom (wich yes was a big disadvantage)
Sanji and Zoro vs Oars (with Zoro fighting much longer and receiving much damage)
Zoro alone vs Kuma : self explanatory.
Ursus Shock.
Zoro fighting Kuma again.
The Sanji and Zoro stuff with Kuma.
Sanji collapses.
Zoro and the fucking huge paw that fucked him up that badly.So till the ursus shock they weren't too even and after that Zoro still had another addition to his handicap meter, but hhey we're not talking about who was able to stand up or not, i'm just trying to show that Zoro was the one to be the most handicaped in TB and that same handicap showed up against the PX's (it was the same as the Mihawk fight the Hachi)
It's just as i said above, all had handicaps, but the three guys had bigger handicaps, and Zoro was the most and/or the second most handicaped.
At Skypiea the only handicaped ones were Luffy and Zoro,I mean Ohm wasn't that easy, attacking with a whip sword without even the opponent seeing him. It's like a mouse trying to escape from an owl while not even knowing where or when it'll attack.
Against Oars I have to disagree. Sanji too even one hit more if you remember when he faced him alone at the beginning. And as Zoro was fighting him alone he hasn't too much damage if any.
The rest OK. But still thh handicaps are way to overhyped. And Mr 1 was uncuttable. OK but it is still no handicap in my eyes cuz every SH had opponents were they had to overcome their abilities. Luffy is the best case for it
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Did we say anything about how he had to discover long-range techniques in Skypiea?
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How about we stop treating having to find a way to overcome the opponent's ability that is entirely a part of their strength as a "handicap"? It's ridiculous. Ohm having a flexible weapon and Mantra are not a handicap on Zoro any more than, say, Luffy having Gear Second was a handicap on Lucci.
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Yeah those are no handicaps. If you read that way each SH had a handicap cut they had to overcome some special abilities of their opponents
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**A handicap is something which weakens you somehow, the opponent being strengthened is not a handicap.
Zoro was handicapped against Hatchi because he was injured, not because Hatchi had more swords.**
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Yeah that's true. But the other fights he had no handicaps. Excluded Kuma and
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Well, he was stabbed against Cabaji (and even sliced up himself even more just to prove a point) He also had 2 swords vs. Ryuuma, which is a handicap even if you might argue it was a minor one, and I guess you could argue that he was a bit worn out from his duel with Kamakiri while fighting Ohm, though I didn't get the impression that he was even the least bit slowed down from that. And there's Kuma, as you said, and the Pacifista fight, though the latter wasn't a 1v1 so I guess you might not count it for these purposes.
Zoro has had his fair share of handicaps (so has Sanji, of course. Just pointing out that he has had more handicaps than vs. Hatchan).
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But all the other SHs, best examples, Sanji and Luffy had similar problems like for example protecting Nami, having fought before and so on
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you could argue that he was a bit worn out from his duel with Kamakiri.
wasn't the duel against braham?
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I agree, but those are also handicaps.
wasn't the duel against braham?
Hmm. You're probably right, I never remember those names properly apart from Wiper.
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Yeah and my only question was. Why are this handicaps ignored and some people scream "I hope Zoro won't be handicaped" if in his last 1 vs 1 fight agianst Kaku he had no handicap. Same against Mr1. He only had to overcome their abilities like all other SHs had to.
Vs Hatchan was handicap
vs Cabaji he was handicaped even if Cabaji was a big ass loser
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I was only commenting on this:
Yeah that's true. But the other fights he had no handicaps. Excluded Kuma and
Since we were discussing what is and isn't a handicap, I thought I should point out a few that you missed for clarity's sake. I wasn't arguing over Sanji being or not being just as handicapped just as often. As for why people often demand a non-handicapped Zoro fight a lot more often than one with Sanji… eh, I guess it's because Zoro's a more popular character? It ain't no secret that it goes Luffy > Zoro > Sanji in popularity among the fans, and Zoro probably isn't far from Luffy either. I say don't let it bother you too much.
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That's true but I never read OMG I hope Luffy won't be handicaped and can go cull out from the very beginning
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I guess it's because Luffy already gets the most spotlight by quite a wide margin. Zoro vs. Kaku went on for 2 chapters, Luffy vs. Lucci went on for almost 2 volumes and he usually gets to "shine" the most. Though that said, I think that Oda might've done what he did with Thriller Bark and have a group fight instead precisely for that reason, so it's not unreasonable to think that he might do something like it again in the future.