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A few days ago my friend and I were discussing Bleach. He belives that Bleach is one of the Shonen Trinity. I disagree.
Personally I hate Bleach. It's good but its not One Piece or DBZ good.
I think Bleach is more on the level as Gintama, Ruroni Kenshin and Yu Yu Haksho.
The best eveidence I have too offer too prove that Bleach ain't ST status is at the End of Jump Superstars once you KO the boss a picture of Naruto Luffy and Goku come up beating the boss, thus the Shonen trinity
Well, we're all free to like what series we choose, but usually when people talk about the "Shonen Trinity", they're talking about One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach. It's just a fan-made name.
Most likely because they're the three current "money makers" in Weekly Shonen Jump.
Of course, it's no where close to DBZ. But DBZ finished already, so that's why fans usually don't include it.
The Shonen Trinity refers to the current three most popular WSJ titles in the magazine; One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach.
Roman God probably said it better than I, but I believe this is how it is.
I've heard the Shonen Trinity as being OP, Naruto, and DBZ.
I've always heard it as OP, Naruto, and Bleach. But yeah, people usually don't include DB since it's finished.
For classic manga/anime, can't go wrong with DB, FMA, and Kenshin
To be honest. When OP and/or Naruto end. They will most likely not be part of that trilogy thing with DB. It's just a current thing. OP may still join DB (hell, since volume 10 OP has released at #1 till current), but if a third had to be put in for a trilogy… It would be whatever the top current thing is.
Face it, DB is the only series with a secured position.
This whole trinity thing is bs. It is DB + fan favorites.
Personally if all the trinity's were to end I could see Gintama, Reborn, and Eyeshield (?) being the next the 3. Though I doubt it. I could see maybe reborn and Gintama, but not really eyeshield since it's close to ending.
Also what was the shonen trinity before dbz?
Hnk, Jojo, and R. Blues?
_ Originally Posted by mr.allsunday
Nice job jumping on the bandwagon there Aethos, I can only wish I was as cool as you_
Personally if all the trinity's were to end I could see Gintama, Reborn, and Eyeshield (?) being the next the 3. Though I doubt it. I could see maybe reborn and Gintama, but not really eyeshield since it's close to ending.
Also what was the shonen trinity before dbz?
Hnk, Jojo, and R. Blues?
All three of those were DB contemporaries…well OK, HnK started a bit earlier but DB is just "the big one" of the Jump titles.
The whole image of Jump depends on the moment. After DB, you could probably list ten or twenty titles from the last 30 years or so that deserve to be up there, but its all about popularity and impact. (personally I'm sick of them using Goku with everything in Jump...but he is their major face) Somehow I think that with each passing year, Luffy and OP are securing the "second slot" of being eternally remembered...though he too may pass while Goku remains there forever.
As for whatever else could be there (at least for Jump), pick a number. Kinnikuman, Hokuto no Ken, YYH, Kenshin, HxH, Naruto, Bleach...heck, even more obscure series could be "it"! But of course its all in whoever you ask.
LOL, the trinity isn't a club. XP
Its just the three most popular jump series to American fans.(Bleach was considered part of it before it blew up in japan)
One piece, naruto and bleach.
Personally, I don't care much for naruto these days, and I don't even like bleach anymore.
My top three jump series are One piece, Hunter X Hunter, and D.Grayman.
I tried Gintama, but didn't like it too much. At least not as much as Hunter and D.grayman.(which when I started reading, I couldn't put down.)
but yea, the trinity is just a term used to refer to the 3 mangas American fans associate with Jump. It wasn't a pre-existing thing.
Edit: the reason you never see ichigo with luffy and naruto in stuff like that is because ichigo is a prick, and wouldn't fit in with them. So they said fuck him and brought goku back.
Even tho bleach is 3rd, its popularity isn't comparable to naruto and one piece. Although Bleach did pass naruto up one week, but thats because naruto started sucking…...bad. Now that Bleach is sucking and naruto is somewhat interesting, the order is probably back to normal.
I always found the "trinity" thing to be a retarded designation.
For classic manga/anime, can't go wrong with DB, FMA, and Kenshin
…How is FMA classic? It's still running.
Personally if all the trinity's were to end I could see Gintama, Reborn, and Eyeshield (?) being the next the 3. Though I doubt it. I could see maybe reborn and Gintama, but not really eyeshield since it's close to ending.
Those three are way too niche.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
Speaking of that (kind of), someone has a link to Shueisha's tankobon sales? I've been searching for it lately but couldn't find it. I'd like to check how much some series from Ultra Jump especially performed.
I believe the old Shonen Trinity (if there was one) was Dragonball, Slam Dunk, and Hokuto no Ken. At least (according to the J:US commercial) they were all released around 1986. Although I thought I remember hearing from somewhere that this is the first time 3 series were vying for top spot at the same time; before this it was always a clear winner.
People like to substitute DeathNote for Bleach for some inexplicable reason. They need to remember that this is mostly for action contenders.
Slam Dunk I believe is the third most popular series in japan.
I believe the Top four were:
1. Mobile Suit Gundam
2. Dragonball(Z)
3. Slam Dunk
4. One piece
So yea, Slam Dunk was(is) pretty popular.
I also remember naruto clocking in at 9, and bleach at 14 or 16. So the most popular today dont compare to some of the old ones still.
@Cap'n:
I always found the "trinity" thing to be a retarded designation.
…How is FMA classic? It's still running.
Those three are way too niche.
Well maybe, but after one piece, naruto, and bleach they are probably the most popular series in WSJ.
you mean this Al http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=12125 ?
except for the fact that FMA isn't in WSJ
I always figured the old trinity was DBZ/Pokemon/Sailor Moon (though Pokemon's still running and Sailor Moon isn't shonen), and the new trinity is OP/Naruto/Bleach. Not that it means anything, but it made sense to me shrugs
@The:
Personally I hate Bleach. It's good but its not One Piece or DBZ good.
I don't really understand how you can hate Bleach and yet still think that it's good.
@LC:
I believe the old Shonen Trinity (if there was one) was Dragonball, Slam Dunk, and Hokuto no Ken. At least (according to the J:US commercial) they were all released around 1986. Although I thought I remember hearing from somewhere that this is the first time 3 series were vying for top spot at the same time; before this it was always a clear winner.
Hokuto no Ken started in issue 41 of 1983…at that time, Dr. Slump was still going and its contemporaries would have been stuff like Kinnikuman or Captain Tsubasa...and of course Toriyama. By its end, it was one of the older series alongside stuff like Dragonball, Otokojuku, St. Seiya and JoJo.
Dragonball started issue 51 of '84 and lasted through issue 25 of '95. It lasted through most of HnK's run and most of Slam Dunk's as well...and considering the series in the magazine when it started to when it ended...
Slam Dunk is completely a '90s series, starting in issue 42 of 1990 and lasting all the way to issue 27 of 1996. The era it started was still dominated by mid/late-80s series (Dragonball, Otokojuku, Rokudenashi BLUES) and ended with many of the more known 90s series set up and established by that point (Kenshin, Nube, BOY, even Makibaou).
OK, sorry for that, but just trying to set the perspective for the eras when these series ran.
@The:
A few days ago my friend and I were discussing Bleach. He belives that Bleach is one of the Shonen Trinity. I disagree.
Personally I hate Bleach. It's good but its not One Piece or DBZ good.
I think Bleach is more on the level as Gintama, Ruroni Kenshin and Yu Yu Haksho.
I always considered it this:
Old Shounen Trinity:
Dragon Ball
Rurouni Kenshin
Yu Yu Hakusho
New Shounen Trinity:
One Piece
Naruto
Bleach
Bleach is technically considered part of the trinity over DB since DB has ended, but it's all fan made and anything but official.
so Shonen Trinity = series that Americans know the name of
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
More like
Shounen Trinity = Three most well known and popular series on the internet.
Sure stuff like FMA, Berserk, etc. May also be popular but they're not as well known.
@Cap'n:
so Shonen Trinity = series that Americans know the name of
Pretty much.
If it has energy blasts and a dub aimed at toddlers, its in the trinity.
Pretty much.
If it has energy blasts and a dub aimed at toddlers, its in the trinity.
Too bad One Piece lacks the energy blasts… Unless Luffy's been doing kamehameha's without my knowledge.
@Gon:
I don't really understand how you can hate Bleach and yet still think that it's good.
I'm not that guy, but I figure he means that he can understand why others like it, or can see whats good about it himself, but doesn't like it/it doesn't pertain to his interests.
Well, I always thought that One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto were the current Shounen Jump Trinity. They are the zine's most popular and longest-running series (not counting Kochikame's insane publication streak), and they all have popular anime running at the same time. I always thought the original trinity was Dragonball, Fist of the North Star, and Slam Dunk, because all three were hugely popular and influential manga that were all concurrently running for a good long time.
It's unusual, though, that Naruto is the currently least popular of those three in Japanese manga sales, but is overwhelmingly the most popular of those three in US manga sales, Japanese anime ratings, and US anime ratings.
Last I checked, for Japanese anime ratings…. One Piece still outranks Naruto.
Well, I always thought that One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto were the current Shounen Jump Trinity. They are the zine's most popular and longest-running series (not counting Kochikame's insane publication streak), and they all have popular anime running at the same time.
Longest running series in WSJ currently(just to show something):
1. KochiKame
2. One Piece
2.5. HunterXHunter (didn't add it before mostly because of its inconsistancy in being there in recent years)
3. Prince of Tennis
4. Naruto
5. Jaguar
6. Bo-bobo
7. Bleach
I think its all based on if and when it peaks as well as if and how it gets noticed. Bleach is currently #3 due to peaking at the right time and having US exposure prior to really exploding. However, I've noticed recently that #3 in the magazine itself has consistantly been rotating for a while now. After One Piece and Naruto, the final spot is a battle between Bleach, ES21, Gintama, Reborn and D-Gray.man. If this was a few years ago, then Bo-bobo and PoT were probably in the running as well. Things can always change…but of course, with the 'tard-like feelings for some series, that's what may make them bigger than others.
Y'know, Negima WAS awesome…
For the first 18 volumes.
@Tokoro:
Longest running series in WSJ currently(just to show something):
1. KochiKame
2. One Piece
2.5. HunterXHunter (didn't add it before mostly because of its inconsistancy in being there in recent years)
3. Prince of Tennis
4. Naruto
5. Jaguar
6. Bo-bobo
7. BleachI think its all based on if and when it peaks as well as if and how it gets noticed. Bleach is currently #3 due to peaking at the right time and having US exposure prior to really exploding. However, I've noticed recently that #3 in the magazine itself has consistantly been rotating for a while now. After One Piece and Naruto, the final spot is a battle between Bleach, ES21, Gintama, Reborn and D-Gray.man. If this was a few years ago, then Bo-bobo and PoT were probably in the running as well. Things can always change…but of course, with the 'tard-like feelings for some series, that's what may make them bigger than others.
lol at a list of longest running WSJ without Jojo being at number 2
jojo isn't on weekly shounen jump anymore.
ooshi78
Well, considering Araki stopped at Part 3 and didn't start Part 4 until much later…
no, he didn't do that either. the break was between parts 5,6 and 6,7.
ooshi78
I'm pretty sure I read that he didn't plan on continuing after Part III, but whatever.
whoever wrote that was wrong.
ooshi78
its still 80 someodd volumes in WSJ
He wrote "Longest running series in WSJ currently"
jojo isn't in WSJ currently.
ooshi78
I guess the idea of a trinity is just a popular way to group together popular manga. I've also heard of a general "Manga trinity" that consists of Berserk, Vagabond, and Hajime no Ippo.
oh it did say currently my bad
Uh…..Berserk is NOT shonen. :{
I know, but I have a feeling that someone would have brought it up somewhere so I decided to cover that base.
so Shonen Trinity = series that Americans know the name of
I ROFFLED @ this.
For the record, Slam Dunk and Dragonball are WSJ's most popular series thus, the shounen duo?
Even tho bleach is 3rd, its popularity isn't comparable to naruto and one piece. Although Bleach did pass naruto up one week, but thats because naruto started sucking…...bad. Now that Bleach is sucking and naruto is somewhat interesting, the order is probably back to normal.
Actually Bleach is better than Naruto. I mean Naruto if you look at it now, seems like a DB wannabe. All Naruto needed to be the biggest DB wannabe was an Uber overpowered attack, and they got it via Kazen Shuriken Rasengan. Bleach is actually just gotten back to interesting since they've gone into Hueco Mundo, although it does seem a lot like the arc, it's actually getting better than the Soul Society arc.
I mean in essense a lot of the side stuff in both Naruto and Bleach are the same. You see both of them training for a little bit, and suddenly you see them get uberly stronger, but with Bleach it's slightly more logical. I mean with Uryuu he hasn't gotten any stronger, only a huge weapon upgrade (like Nami's Perfect Climatact) and with Chad you find that he's only just realizing the potential of his strength, but even so he still gets completely owned.
I mean the growth rate of main characters have to be insanely fast to the point where it almost seems illogical, but that necessarily shouldn't count toward secondary and supporting mains. I mean you see in Naruto, them training for about 2 1/2 years and what do you find?
Naruto blowing things up with an uber godly strong attack, Sakura gaining illogical strength and overpower, Sasuke with unnatural godlike abilities, taking down armies. I mean even within 2 1/2 years doesn't that seem a bit much?
I'd just like to say that I agree with nothing Kazu-kun posted. That entire rant is just wrong on so many levels.
If anything's a wannabe DBZ clone it's Bleach (even tho I still think Bleach is awesome). How many powerup transformations does Ichigo/Chad have now? And correct me if I'm wrong, but Bleach characters train just as much as Naruto characters.
Sure Naruto will probably end up being DBZ clone too, but to say Bleach is any less of a DBZ clone than Naruto is just wrong. Bleach is alot closer to being DBZ 2.0 than people are willing to admit.
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Naruto and Bleach are both a DBZ clone.
I don't see what's so similar between Naruto and DBZ.
Battle Stadium D.O.N
Enough said.
@raj:
Orange pajama suits?
NOW we're onto something.
Naruto, Bleach, and DB are similar in that they have generic shonen characteristics, but other than that they're pretty different. Two series aren't alike because they share genre-wide characteristics.
