Marines are organised, the Yonkou do whatever they want and the Schichibukai are unscrupulous.
Actually, it is like that for every side except in different amounts.
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I think it would make things clearer if people stated which hypothetical they believe in. I think it's number 3.
dude it's the obvious
EDIT: when i wake i will post a question that will spice things up
I think Asura is an illusion as I find it extremely odd if he grew 2 heads and and 4 extra arms and pop out extra swords.
However the fact that he can stay in this "style" strikes me as odd. In his other forms when you see his embodiment of a creature or devil it is usually one hit. In the link CodedTech provided, when he uses Asura I find it peculiar in 2 different text boxes point to a different head.
I couldn't even think of a possible explanation of how he conjures this form and is able to stay in it for so long (long as in longer then his other attacks). Either his hand and head movements are functioning at extremely high speeds to make an illusion or his extra limbs are manifestations of his spirit that are able to take a somewhat "physical form." One thing is for sure, his spirit is not just for show and infact part of his combat ability is to intimadate his opponents, he has done so ever since his early days in East Blue.
Since its only a few episodes before this attack, hopefully it might clear things up a bit? Maybe, maybe not.
Sidenote: WHITEBEARD you scared me when you said you were leaving AP. glad it wasnt serious. 
@Fire Fist:
That doesn't change the fact they made a deal with the government. Are you familiar with the whole reason the Protestant church was formed? I can't remember the exact word, but in exchange for money or valuables, Cardinals and bishops would sell "Sin tickets" to people that absolved them from sin. As long as they kept giving to the church, they were basically promised a seat in heaven.
The Shichibukai are buying their freedom; that is, in exchange for plunder, they're getting carte blanche to do whatever they want. They're basically bribing the WG to get their way. The Yonkou, on the other hand, are not. They're doing piracy and not having to buy their way out of it.
That's why I think they're "Sellouts".
Who cares if their sellouts! they are POWERFUL….powerful enough to handle your oh so precious "FREE to do whatever they want" Emperors! Not too mention add Blackbeard t othe seen....
they are POWERFUL….powerful enough to handle your oh so precious "FREE to do whatever they want" Emperors!
You really do think the Schichibukai are better than the Yonkou, right?
I was kidding.
I know and that was a funny joke.
My point is, unless it comes from Oda's mouth, they'll make mistakes. Oda approved the Apis arc, but Zoro cut steel chains in the Apis arc, making it look stupid when he had to "Learn to cut steel" while fighting Mr 1.
Well Mr 1 was a beast nuff said.
I didn't meant to quote that, but whatever. Only in Power, like I've said before.
Well thats all that matters.
Not to mention the whole fact that Shanks had to bring him special sake from West Blue to help his wounds.
Well Whitebeard told Shanks to bring him some good drink.(shanks did) not to mention when Shanks said Curative elixir it was a figure of speech.
That's the plan. For all we know, the WG could reject his application.
Well after raping FFA….....hes in.
The Shichibukai are buying their freedom; that is, in exchange for plunder, they're getting carte blanche to do whatever they want. They're basically bribing the WG to get their way. The Yonkou, on the other hand, are not. They're doing piracy and not having to buy their way out of it.
That's why I think they're "Sellouts".
Being a God of the sea is the best thing that can happen to a pirate.
and at the same time they pop yonkou in the lip.
You really do think the Schichibukai are better than the Yonkou, right?
Nope, and I am shocked that you would quote me…....
The Emperors being so great are ONLY equal to the Shichibukai!
Do you need another lesson in manners boy?..................
@Kma:
Sidenote: WHITEBEARD you scared me when you said you were leaving AP. glad it wasnt serious.
Yea but keep the good thoughts about me on the down low!
B/c if haters see you saying somthing good about me…. you will be hated also.
So look out for them haters.
Who is really using who in the relationship between the Schichibukai and WG?
I mean look at Crocodile, his status of Schichibukai helped him gain the trust of the people in Arabasta. Even though he had to pay the WG he still had more then enough funds to stir up a civil war, fund an army, etc.
I am positive that none of the Schichibukai are obedient enough to let the WG purely "use" them just so they arent chased after. If anything I think all of them have some hidden agenda that go beyond the deal of not attacking each other.
I think a good quote that applies is keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Im applying this for both sides.
Call me weird but if anything I think that the Schichibukai get a bigger benefit in the deal because if the WG didnt have them as their "allies" then they would be in deeper shit then then the Schichibukai. The role of the WG is to maintain order and if they didnt strike the deal the world would most likely be chaotic. As a sacrifice they have to enlist the aid of an enemy.
I think when all hell breaks loose in OP the WG is going to get betrayed and they just won't be able to maintain this pirate era. (not to mention the revolutionaries).
Uh sorry if I got off topic, I dont know why but I always end up doing that…
Im with what he or she said ^^^
Well Mr 1 was a beast nuff said.
That's not the point. He wasn't supposed to be able to cut steel back at Warship Island.
Well thats all that matters.
Organization is key, too. The marines are much more organize than the other two groups.
Well Whitebeard told Shanks to bring him some good drink.(shanks did) not to mention when Shanks said Curative elixir it was a figure of speech.
Not necessarily. This is One Piece, after all. It could have really had healing properties. Or… it could have just been booze.
Well after raping FFA….....hes in.
In theory. The Gorosei still have to approve his appointment.
Being a God of the sea is the best thing that can happen to a pirate.
and at the same time they pop yonkou in the lip.
They still forced to rely on the aid of the WG. That's why the Yonkou are considered the "Greatest" and the Shichibukai Aren't.
That's not the point. He wasn't supposed to be able to cut steel back at Warship Island.
a Lil piece of steel….....come on FFA.
Organization is key, too. The marines are much more organize than the other two groups.
So…..... yet they are just equals to the other two groups.
Not necessarily. This is One Piece, after all. It could have really had healing properties. Or… it could have just been booze.
Yea it was just booze….....WHitebeard needs his booze, if there was a chapter where he was not drinking any booze then One piece took a trun for the worst.
In theory. The Gorosei still have to approve his appointment.
Yea but BB is in.
They still forced to rely on the aid of the WG. That's why the Yonkou are considered the "Greatest" and the Shichibukai Aren't.
I see the WG relying on the 7 Gods, but I dont see the 7 Gods relying on the WG.
I see the WG relying on the 7 Gods, but I dont see the 7 Gods relying on the WG.
The WG's main force are the marines.
The WG simply get booty from the Schichibukai.
. . . You guys never stop, don't you?
I'm assuming FFA is getting his theory of Yonkou being "greatest" pirates in the world from ch 432 page 7.
@original:
今や星の数ほどおる海賊たちの中で … かの”白ヒゲ”に並ぶ四人の大海賊の内の一人じゃ
Among the countless masses of pirates in the world, he is one of the four greatest, along with the infamous Whitebeard
@ocean:
There are numerous pirates out there. However, he is now one of the four most powerful pirates alongside the "White Beard."
@ocean:
He is one of the four big pirates that equals to that "Whitebeard" among the countless pirates out there.
So. When in doubt, doubt the translators. We alter the meaning frequently to make the dialog sound better. In original text, there's no mentioning about Yonkou better than Shichibukai or vice versa.
I still don't think this thread is necessary since the same object (or at least part of the subject) has been discussed for nearly 100 pages in the past. The same group of people are usually discussing it, too, and you guys never agree with each other. Off-topicness was one of the reason, but discussing about something that you'll never agree was the other reason that I closed some of those thread.
Please keep in mind that you need to accept other people's opinion as well as respect each others' opinion.
. . . You guys never stop, don't you?
I'm assuming FFA is getting his theory of Yonkou being "greatest" pirates in the world from ch 432 page 7.
So. When in doubt, doubt the translators. We alter the meaning frequently to make the dialog sound better. In original text, there's no mentioning about Yonkou better than Shichibukai or vice versa.
Well, if the literal doesn't say it, then I'll accept it. But the Schichibukai are still pirates, and if at any point it indicates the Yonkou are above all other pirates, they can't be an exception.
Still, my biggest problem with the Shichibukai is questioning why the WG would need to create a 3rd power in the first place, if not to balance an equation. If the Marines were equal to the Yonkou, there would be no need for the WG to employ ANOTHER group, especially those of the "enemy". It wouldn't make sense for them to have the Marines blasting pirates, and then suddenly grab some random high-bounty pirates and say "If you give us loot, we give you amnesty". Even the privateers of our world didn't have that luxury. If anyone but their sponsor nation captured them, they were hung or shot immediately. Sir Francis Drake was a Knight and a hero to the English, but the Spanish wanted to mop the deck with his hide.
@Fire Fist:
Well, if the literal doesn't say it, then I'll accept it. But the Schichibukai are still pirates, and if at any point it indicates the Yonkou are above all other pirates, they can't be an exception.
Still, my biggest problem with the Shichibukai is questioning why the WG would need to create a 3rd power in the first place, if not to balance an equation. If the Marines were equal to the Yonkou, there would be no need for the WG to employ ANOTHER group, especially those of the "enemy". It wouldn't make sense for them to have the Marines blasting pirates, and then suddenly grab some random high-bounty pirates and say "If you give us loot, we give you amnesty". Even the privateers of our world didn't have that luxury. If anyone but their sponsor nation captured them, they were hung or shot immediately. Sir Francis Drake was a Knight and a hero to the English, but the Spanish wanted to mop the deck with his hide.
Well if the 7 Gods where not on the WG side they would be doing what the Yonkou is doing.(attacking them)
It would be WG vs Yonkou and the 7 Gods.
Then the WG would fall.
Take the 7 gods away and make them neutral the WG has a chance.
Making a balance
Well if the 7 Gods where not on the WG side they would be doing what the Yonkou is doing.(attacking them)
It would be WG vs Yonkou and the 7 Gods.
Then the WG would fall.
Take the 7 gods away and make them neutral the WG has a chance.
Making a balance
By that logic, though, you're agreeing that they're allies. They may not help each other, but they maintain a neutral stance with each other. If that's the case, then they really are allies. They have a peace treaty of sorts that prevents outward aggression toward each other.
Cause power struggle among three parties is more interesting than two. If there are only two, if one goes down, that is the end of it. They can start fighting whenever they want and the winning party has nothing to fear after their fight is over. On the other hand, if there are three, they cannot start the fight so easily since if A fights B and even if A win, C will come to defeat A as soon as the battle between A and B are done.
Also, by having two parties work for WG, even if one decided to betray WG, they still have the other force to counter them. Since Marines and Shichibukai are not in good terms with each other, WG doesn't need to worry about Marines and Shichibukai ganging up and attack WG.
And. Having three party is an interesting way to proceed the power-struggle type of story in the simplest way. Two is just boring, more than four would be confusing. There are many series use three forces. Sangoku-shi (three kingdom) is literally one, I remember Yu Yu Hakusho also had three-forces at one point, and afaik, Bleach is having three forces right now, too. There should be more if I dig up, but too bad I have bad memory.
@Fire Fist:
By that logic, though, you're agreeing that they're allies. They may not help each other, but they maintain a neutral stance with each other. If that's the case, then they really are allies. They have a peace treaty of sorts that prevents outward aggression toward each other.
They are not allies.
Marines hate the 7 Gods and dont Work with them, and in vice versa.
7 Gods are allies to the WG not the Marines.
They are 2 conflicting groups of equal power.
They are not allies.
Marines hate the 7 Gods and dont Work with them, and in vice versa.
7 Gods are allies to the WG not the Marines.
They are 2 conflicting groups of equal power.
Allies doesn't mean you have to work with each other. It can also mean you have an agreement not to attack each other.
Generally, that's a peace treaty. But if the WG goes to war against the Yonkou, both of its employees would be asked and paid to go to war as well. That would mean they would be in a situation that would FORCE them to work together.
Allies doesn't mean you have to work with each other. It can also mean you have an agreement not to attack each other.
Well after what Doflamingo did in the Holy Land and after reading the Grand Times. I dont think theres a agreement.
Generally, that's a peace treaty. But if the WG goes to war against the Yonkou, both of its employees would be asked and paid to go to war as well. That would mean they would be in a situation that would FORCE them to work together.
If that was the case, then the Yonkou would have been gone by now.
The 3 powers are equal…...it two gangs up on one then the two teamed up would mop the floor with the other power thats alone.
Paid or not the 7 Gods do as they please.
The 7 Gods dont even work with each other. You think they will work guys they hate???
Sengoku and his Admirals wont work with scum of the sea.
Well after what Doflamingo did in the Holy Land and after reading the Grand Times. I dont think theres a agreement.
One person acting like an idiot should not reflect the entire group as a whole.
If that was the case, then the Yonkou would have been gone by now.
The 3 powers are equal…...it two gangs up on one then the two teamed up would mop the floor with the other power thats alone.Paid or not the 7 Gods do as they please.
The 7 Gods dont even work with each other. You think they will work guys they hate???
If I paid you 1,000,000,000 to work with someone you hated, would you?
One person acting like an idiot should not reflect the entire group as a whole.
Well no one came to that meeting besides 2 members.
and Sengoku said that more then expected. (he was shocked)
If I paid you 1,000,000,000 to work with someone you hated, would you?
Well seeing how rich Croc was??????? I would say they dont need it and Mihawk dont look like the type to for care money.
Plus being a God of the sea is not about money, its doing as you please and not getting bug for it.
Well no one came to that meeting besides 2 members.
and Sengoku said that more then expected. (he was shocked)
You always exaggerate people's reactions to things… but anyway, that could go a number of ways. They could've been too busy, they could've been too far away... just assuming they didn't come because they didn't want to is pretty baseless without knowing the facts. There are meetings I can't attend at work because I have things to take care of.
Well seeing how rich Croc was??????? I would say they dont need it and Mihawk dont look like the type to for care money.
Plus being a God of the sea is not about money, its doing as you please and not getting bug for it.
Well, amnesty, whatever. The point is, you can always find a way to get someone to do what you want, whether it's money, favors, or something else.
You always exaggerate people's reactions to things… but anyway, that could go a number of ways. They could've been too busy, they could've been too far away... just assuming they didn't come because they didn't want to is pretty baseless without knowing the facts. There are meetings I can't attend at work because I have things to take care of.
Well Sengoku said lets start the meeting, geting 2 out of the six was more then we expected.(iF that dont tell you somthing then I dont know what will)
That high ranked marine also said we have call for the 7 Gods but we have yet to see how many will come…....they are pirates.
Well, amnesty, whatever. The point is, you can always find a way to get someone to do what you want, whether it's money, favors, or something else.
Well not them 7 pirates.
Well Sengoku said lets start the meeting, geting 2 out of the six was more then we expected.(iF that dont tell you somthing then I dont know what will)
That high ranked marine also said we have call for the 7 Gods but we have yet to see how many will come…....they are pirates.
Do you have a job? Even if you work retail, jobs have meetings. Sometimes, there are meetings you can't attend. Sengoku started the meeting because the time was to start it. Even in a retail job, you can't always attend the meetings that are being held. You have other things to do. Doflamingo even reinforced this point. They're businessmen. They have things to do. They can't be trekking halfway across the world to attend a meeting.
I'm at work right now. Right now, it's dead. Granted, it's the middle of the night, but it gets busy sometimes at night. When it does, if there's a meeting, I have work to do. I can't take time and go to the meeting, I have a job to do. It's the same deal here.
Well not them 7 pirates.
That's baseless. You're using Crocodile and Doflamingo to judge the actions of the entire group.
if BB was stronger or equal to WB why would oda say that WB is the strongest man???
how can BB beat him??? he is in shanks age and propably older so if BB can beat him then why not shanks too???
how can exactly BB become stronger? he can gather more people and other powerhouses close to his level but how can that help him?? if he could take on WB he would go at it!!!
he wants protection as a schichibukai from WB and from the other schichibukai and marines!!!!
and nothing is said about WB getting weaker,he might as well got stronger but due to roger i say he is still on that level
and luffy said to ace that WB is just another man he will fight
also i edited this:
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and shanks didn't tell he will come to take his place he said he will come to steal it! and what is that place? strongest man or future PK since WB is the closest man to OP? can you tell us? no
Lol. When the hell did I say that BB was stronger than WB? I said that Shanks is warning WB that BB may become stronger.
As I said, he can't take on WB, and he's building a crew. WB has a crew, so BB needs a crew to fight against it and to generally be classed as a better pirate (with a cre and all).
Whitebeard is in bad condition. Well, not-perfect condition. They said he shouldn't be drinking rum (why, coz he ain't well) and there's nurses around him. You can't believe he hasn't got weaker. In his prime, he was named Roger's equal. But still, now he is still the strongest man in the world, even if he has got weaker.
Luffy said he will fight Whitebeard for One Piece. Luffy will fight ANYONE if they try to get what he wants. Blackbeard is one of them. Your arguement is weak.
Whitebeard's place is the strongest man in the world. He is not PK. Blackbeard is trying to steal his spot (strongest man, closest to OP). Steal… could be by brute force. As I've said, Blackbeard is growing in power, and Shanks is warning Whitebeard that Blackbeard is becomong as powerful as him.
Luffy will most likely fight Blackbeard at the end. Whitebeard will not be the last one to fight for One Piece... he hasn't got it in 22 years. He's lame.
Well, amnesty, whatever. The point is, you can always find a way to get someone to do what you want, whether it's money, favors, or something else.
Sexual favours!
Sorry, do continue.
Some Schichibukai WILL do some things for a certain something.
Perhaps it is in the nature of swordsmen like Shanks and Zoro to develop frightening "spirits"… if so, I have an idea of what Zoro vs Mihawk will eventually be like towards the end of the series. Zoro keeps bringing out demon spirits, including ones more powerful than Asura, while Mihawk uses animal spirits to back up his black sword.
But how is Sanji gonna upgrade?! I'm ever so curious.
well we don't know about mihawk or shanks but anyway someday we will find out
sanji may set for a start both his legs on fire,honestly i dunno,zoro's main and needed upgrades are obvious to his fans but as for sanji i don't know
i think if he or usopp got a DF nobody would mind,sanji is a tricky case,he might stop evolving sometime and leave a huge gap betweem him and zoro and luffy but we will see,though i am as anxious as you are!
and i explained about the yonkou and the schichibukai,they are equal and everything else should be left to oda
and about the apis arc i don't think they asked him,in many anime the story has completely changed track from the manga but about grand times,well it would be ridiculous if anyone could post mumbo jumbo withoud an aproval so i am sticking that it is aproved by oda so it clear things up even to the most suspicious
@$abZ:
Lol. When the hell did I say that BB was stronger than WB? I said that Shanks is warning WB that BB may become stronger.
As I said, he can't take on WB, and he's building a crew. WB has a crew, so BB needs a crew to fight against it and to generally be classed as a better pirate (with a cre and all).
Whitebeard is in bad condition. Well, not-perfect condition. They said he shouldn't be drinking rum (why, coz he ain't well) and there's nurses around him. You can't believe he hasn't got weaker. In his prime, he was named Roger's equal. But still, now he is still the strongest man in the world, even if he has got weaker.
Luffy said he will fight Whitebeard for One Piece. Luffy will fight ANYONE if they try to get what he wants. Blackbeard is one of them. Your arguement is weak.
Whitebeard's place is the strongest man in the world. He is not PK. Blackbeard is trying to steal his spot (strongest man, closest to OP). Steal… could be by brute force. As I've said, Blackbeard is growing in power, and Shanks is warning Whitebeard that Blackbeard is becomong as powerful as him.
Luffy will most likely fight Blackbeard at the end. Whitebeard will not be the last one to fight for One Piece... he hasn't got it in 22 years. He's lame.
when shanks entered WB's ship and made people fade did he get attacked by someone? or when he fought WB did someone attack him? BB needing a bigger crew and defeating WB is 2 different things,if BB chalenged WB and vice versa to a fight nobody would interfere or attack BB,on the other hand the BB pirates did attack ace so if anyone would cheat that is BB not WB,BB can't become stronger but he will try to steal WB's position,but that doesn't make his stronger,mr.3 set a trp to both the giants wjth the bomb in the wine and he trapped brogy and he escaped mr.5 helped him,now that was planned,like BB will also have a plan to take out WB if he succeeds
and WB isn't pathetic,the only thing roger could do that everyother pirate couldn't do and luffy can also do,is reading the poneglyphs,IMO that is the key to one piece and the reason only roger and luffy and nobody else will go to raftel
Sanji's upgrade is Flambe Jambe. Or he could attach metal to his legs like Regal in Tales of Symphonia.
@Impel:
Sanji's upgrade is Flambe Jambe. Or he could attach metal to his legs like Regal in Tales of Symphonia.
well maybe he could create other elements too with his legs,maybe
well maybe he could create other elements too with his legs,maybe
He didn't create an element [fire] with his feet, he created heat as a result of the friction from spinning (I think). Creating elements with his feet would imo be stupid, boring and unoriginal. Anyway, how would Oda explain it: rubbing his legs/feet together creating static/friction causing electricity/fire,or maybe his trousers/shoes ate a DF?
Something about this thread got me thinking about blackbeard. I don't really think he is all that strong, and a coward at that. Beating ace is one thing but I don't think he would have a chance against the captain of WB's first division. I also think that Luffy may have already surpassed Ace in strength, Ace's DF gives him an edge but they're are ways to beat all DF's.
Anyway, the reason I think that shanks has passed Blackbeard and that Luffy passed Ace are very similar. Blackbeard went and found someone to attach himself too that was much stronger than he was. That way if he got into trouble he knew he'd have the strength of WB backing him. Basically he wasn't relying on his own strength. All the while Shanks was out adventuring gaining strength experience and friends.
The same could be said about Luffy and Ace. Ace went out and joined WB who in a sense gave him protection, there is no doubt that Ace is strong, he is the captain of WB's second division but who is to say that being captain of the second division isn't lower than first mate of the first division, or anyone in the crew of WB's division. While Ace has been able to take it easy… because people are afraid of messing with WB. Luffy has been out adventuring and declaring war on the WG all the while getting stronger.
Now about Blackbeard being a coward, he joins the crew of WB which gives him protection and then waits until he finds a power that may be able to rival WB. Not only that instead of going out and gaining strength on his own he goes out and looks for a rookie pirate who recieved a fairly high bounty relatively quick. In order to become a Shichibukai which once again grants him protection from major players in the second half of the GL. All of this is playing against Blackbeard because he is not pushing himself like other pirates are mainly the strawhats, thats why I think Blackbeard probably won't be the final enemy in OP.
He joined the WB crew to get the Yami Yami no mi.
He didn't create an element [fire] with his feet, he created heat as a result of the friction from spinning (I think). Creating elements with his feet would imo be stupid, boring and unoriginal. Anyway, how would Oda explain it: rubbing his legs/feet together creating static/friction causing electricity/fire,or maybe his trousers/shoes ate a DF?
well oda explained in a recent sbs that sanji's upgrade came from the heat in his heart
and kakaliaha we don't know if BB is stronger than the first division captain or not
when shanks entered WB's ship and made people fade did he get attacked by someone? or when he fought WB did someone attack him? BB needing a bigger crew and defeating WB is 2 different things,if BB chalenged WB and vice versa to a fight nobody would interfere or attack BB,on the other hand the BB pirates did attack ace so if anyone would cheat that is BB not WB,BB can't become stronger but he will try to steal WB's position,but that doesn't make his stronger,mr.3 set a trp to both the giants wjth the bomb in the wine and he trapped brogy and he escaped mr.5 helped him,now that was planned,like BB will also have a plan to take out WB if he succeeds
I don't understand why BB can't become stronger. He just got his DF and is improving. He made Shanks a scar before he got his DF which suggests that he is a monster without his DF. Right now, it looks like as iff BB is going to be the main villain and as the manin villain he has to be stronger than anyone else in the One Piece world right?
Cause power struggle among three parties is more interesting than two. If there are only two, if one goes down, that is the end of it. They can start fighting whenever they want and the winning party has nothing to fear after their fight is over. On the other hand, if there are three, they cannot start the fight so easily since if A fights B and even if A win, C will come to defeat A as soon as the battle between A and B are done.
Also, by having two parties work for WG, even if one decided to betray WG, they still have the other force to counter them. Since Marines and Shichibukai are not in good terms with each other, WG doesn't need to worry about Marines and Shichibukai ganging up and attack WG.
And. Having three party is an interesting way to proceed the power-struggle type of story in the simplest way. Two is just boring, more than four would be confusing. There are many series use three forces. Sangoku-shi (three kingdom) is literally one, I remember Yu Yu Hakusho also had three-forces at one point, and afaik, Bleach is having three forces right now, too. There should be more if I dig up, but too bad I have bad memory.
Yu Yu Hakusho- three rulers Raizen, Yomi, and Mukuro
Bleach- Im not sure there are three big things but if i had to pick any 3 - Shinigami, Hollow(and all types counting Arrancar), and Vizard?
Yu Yu Hakusho- three rulers Raizen, Yomi, and Mukuro
Bleach- Im not sure there are three big things but if i had to pick any 3 - Shinigami, Hollow(and all types counting Arrancar), and Vizard?
people are forgeting that there is also the hell world in bleach,like that kingdom or whatever it is that aizen wants to make the key,it is too early to understand everything in bleach
I don't understand why BB can't become stronger. He just got his DF and is improving. He made Shanks a scar before he got his DF which suggests that he is a monster without his DF. Right now, it looks like as iff BB is going to be the main villain and as the manin villain he has to be stronger than anyone else in the One Piece world right?
the mods are waiting for spamming,but i won't spam
read the first post,everything there is to know about shanks or BB is there
and if BB is the main villain what does that make WB or sengoku or dragon?
propably BB will be faced by luffy not in the end,after all when luffy hears about ace will he wait to face BB??? or will he go right after him???
others may suggest that BB is definately the main villain but i will wait to see what happens but all evidence shows BB isn't and won't be,the whole idea of the constant fight of good vs evil is ridiculous and especially in one piece
Anyway, the reason I think that shanks has passed Blackbeard and that Luffy passed Ace are very similar. Blackbeard went and found someone to attach himself too that was much stronger than he was. That way if he got into trouble he knew he'd have the strength of WB backing him. Basically he wasn't relying on his own strength. All the while Shanks was out adventuring gaining strength experience and friends.
Shanks: This one was no mark of adventure.
It did not come at the hands of Hawk-Eyes…
This scar was given to me
by YOUR man, "Blackbeard" Teach…!!
And it was not a cheap blow taken by surprise.
Do you understand what I'm saying, Whitebeard?!
This shows that Blackbeard is extremly strong and he is very much on the level of Shanks.
The same could be said about Luffy and Ace. Ace went out and joined WB who in a sense gave him protection, there is no doubt that Ace is strong, he is the captain of WB's second division but who is to say that being captain of the second division isn't lower than first mate of the first division, or anyone in the crew of WB's division. While Ace has been able to take it easy… because people are afraid of messing with WB. Luffy has been out adventuring and declaring war on the WG all the while getting stronger.
Luffy has shown nothing to be on the level of Ace! Luffy's bounty does not equal his power if that is what you are saying. Based on ability Ace got Luffy beat.
Now about Blackbeard being a coward, he joins the crew of WB which gives him protection and then waits until he finds a power that may be able to rival WB. Not only that instead of going out and gaining strength on his own he goes out and looks for a rookie pirate who recieved a fairly high bounty relatively quick. In order to become a Shichibukai which once again grants him protection from major players in the second half of the GL. All of this is playing against Blackbeard because he is not pushing himself like other pirates are mainly the strawhats, thats why I think Blackbeard probably won't be the final enemy in OP.
Shanks:He was waiting for his chance… He didn't take a captain's position, he didn't take the fame.
He was spending all of his time hiding in the shadow of your name!!!
And when he gained his power... he struck.
Ultimately, he will seek the very top. Of his OWN will!!
Eventually, he will even come to steal YOUR position!!
I beleive that explains why Blackbeard was hiding.^^^
A guy who just CASUALLY dismisses a Logia user is nowhere near weak, Blackbeard has a plan on how to achieve his dreams.
read the first post,everything there is to know about shanks or BB is there
and if BB is the main villain what does that make WB or sengoku or dragon?
propably BB will be faced by luffy not in the end,after all when luffy hears about ace will he wait to face BB??? or will he go right after him???
others may suggest that BB is definately the main villain but i will wait to see what happens but all evidence shows BB isn't and won't be,the whole idea of the constant fight of good vs evil is ridiculous and especially in one piece
Read the first post? You said Blackbeard couldn't get any stronger on that. That's what he's questioning. Frankly, you must be a fool to think that Blackbeard can't get any stronger. Name one reason why he can't?
There's always one MAIN villian. Okay, in better terms… the final villian. I see the final villian being BB, making Dragon, WB and Sengoku just... main villians. Not final villians.
Luffy will be pissed at BB... which makes the final fight even more interesting. Do you think Nami will let Luffy go of course just to find someone... who Luffy won't have a clue where he is. GL citizens have been the ones telling the SHs what the next island is, so it'd be impossible for Luffy to know where the Shichibukai HQs are (if BB earns a spot).
What evidence shows BB won't be main villian. Read my post on the other thread... it's all evidence with relevance to the manga. And don't mention your previous posts as evidence... because there isn't anything good on them to show BB won't be main villian.
read the first post,everything there is to know about shanks or BB is there
propably BB will be faced by luffy not in the end,after all when luffy hears about ace will he wait to face BB??? or will he go right after him???
Ok so Shanks was young when he got the scar. Nevertheless he warns WB about BB. Why would he do that when he wasn't so strong? I mean if Shanks would be approximately at Sanji's level right now, why would he even bother telling WB. That indicates that Shanks and BB were at that time already strong as hell.
Luffy won't hear from Ace that soon. They are in the Grandline and I don't think that they get newspaper like Nami did on the East Blue. And even when Luufy finds out, it's not going to be easy to find BB.
others may suggest that BB is definately the main villain but i will wait to see what happens but all evidence shows BB isn't and won't be,the whole idea of the constant fight of good vs evil is ridiculous and especially in one piece
All evidence? Which evidence suggests that BB isn't the main villain. Oda showed BB more than once wich suggests that he is very important. No other who is not beaten has been shown more often. (except maybe Buggy) Oda also said that BB is his favorite pirate.
and if BB is the main villain what does that make WB or sengoku or dragon?
WB: Will prbably be beaten by BB as Shanks indicated. WB underestimates BB which is the biggest mistake you can make.
Sengoku: We don't know much about him and if he can fight. He might be just be very smart.
Dragon: Is Luffy's father and rescued him from Smoker. Why would his own father try to attack him. It's One Piece and not Star Wars. Also, the final villain has to be someone who seeks One Piece and Dragon is not as far as we know.
Overall, my point is that BB seems to be the final villain.
Blackbeard was definitely on shanks level since he scared shanks. Now over the years in one piece you don't get weaker, you only get stronger.
Now if we look at the two different lifestyles shanks has been fighting his other half Mihawk, he's created a a crew of powerful men and is known as an emporer for his strength.
Blackbeard has been lying in wait for his DF, hiding in the shadows not wanting people to see his strength.
Now over this time period it is possible shanks has surpassed blackbeard. Although once blackbeard got that DF it has placed him back on par or stronger than shanks.
If he has become stronger he will most likely be a final villain possibility, but I think he will be 2nd from last. Luffy will fight him making it look like the final battle and then out of nowhere dragon will pop-up. Using this perfect moment to start his revolution and maybe doflamingo is part of the revolution too.
He may be posing as a shichibukai, with all his talk of creating a new world and trying to start a war. It seems to me he may be part of the revolution, that's just a theory though.
@$abZ:
Read the first post? You said Blackbeard couldn't get any stronger on that. That's what he's questioning. Frankly, you must be a fool to think that Blackbeard can't get any stronger. Name one reason why he can't?
There's always one MAIN villian. Okay, in better terms… the final villian. I see the final villian being BB, making Dragon, WB and Sengoku just... main villians. Not final villians.
Luffy will be pissed at BB... which makes the final fight even more interesting. Do you think Nami will let Luffy go of course just to find someone... who Luffy won't have a clue where he is. GL citizens have been the ones telling the SHs what the next island is, so it'd be impossible for Luffy to know where the Shichibukai HQs are (if BB earns a spot).
What evidence shows BB won't be main villian. Read my post on the other thread... it's all evidence with relevance to the manga. And don't mention your previous posts as evidence... because there isn't anything good on them to show BB won't be main villian.
:getlost: it seems that all these pollution to the environment is bad after all
all the persons in the OP world have a standard power,no? name one villain that has goten stronger
so if BB can become stronger that made a scar to a young shanks and we don't even know if he won then mihawk who is stronger than shanks (as they are both SM) can't become stronger?? or WB or sengoku or shanks? why can't they becme stronger??? why only BB can? is it because you are a fanboy and you are easily impressed???
i suppose you were one of those people that thought franky would own zoro just cuz he first broke blueno's tekkai first and seem to beat luffy
i will see the ther posts later and i will respond
Blackbeard was definitely on shanks level since he scared shanks. Now over the years in one piece you don't get weaker, you only get stronger.
Now if we look at the two different lifestyles shanks has been fighting his other half Mihawk, he's created a a crew of powerful men and is known as an emporer for his strength.
Blackbeard has been lying in wait for his DF, hiding in the shadows not wanting people to see his strength.
Now over this time period it is possible shanks has surpassed blackbeard. Although once blackbeard got that DF it has placed him back on par or stronger than shanks.
If he has become stronger he will most likely be a final villain possibility, but I think he will be 2nd from last. Luffy will fight him making it look like the final battle and then out of nowhere dragon will pop-up. Using this perfect moment to start his revolution and maybe doflamingo is part of the revolution too.
He may be posing as a shichibukai, with all his talk of creating a new world and trying to start a war. It seems to me he may be part of the revolution, that's just a theory though.
well the theory on doflamingo being part of the revolutin is fantastic
waste no time and make a thread for it!! i am not kidding,you can call it conspiracy theories!
why only BB can? is it because you are a fanboy and you are easily impressed??? i suppose you were one of those people that thought franky would own zoro just cuz he first broke blueno's tekkai first and seem to beat luffy
He's not the fanboy but you are one. Who has a Mihahw avatar and hopes desperately that Mihawk is the strongest so Zoro can become the strongest too. Stop calling other fanboys when you are indeed the biggest one.
:getlost: it seems that all these pollution to the environment is bad after all
all the persons in the OP world have a standard power,no? name one villain that has goten stronger
Buggy is definitely going to improve. Also, BB just gained his DF. He is trying to figure out all the possibilities.
so if BB can become stronger that made a scar to a young shanks and we don't even know if he won then mihawk who is stronger than shanks (as they are both SM) can't become stronger?? or WB or sengoku or shanks? why can't they becme stronger???
Here you go again. Mihawk stronger than Shanks? We don't know that for sure. Others can become stronger too, but as I said BB just gained a new abilities and he still tries to use his power at full potential. Therefore, he is going to improve faster than other characters.
well the theory on doflamingo being part of the revolutin is fantastic
waste no time and make a thread for it!! i am not kidding,you can call it conspiracy theories!
Haha I would but creating crazy theory topic's is FFA's job, I prefer this thread it covers everything.
Do you have a job? Even if you work retail, jobs have meetings. Sometimes, there are meetings you can't attend. Sengoku started the meeting because the time was to start it. Even in a retail job, you can't always attend the meetings that are being held. You have other things to do. Doflamingo even reinforced this point. They're businessmen. They have things to do. They can't be trekking halfway across the world to attend a meeting.
Don came b/c he was bored….......Fact Sengoku said lets start the meeting 2 out of the six is more then we expected!
That high rank offical also said we have called for the 7 Gods but we hve yet to see how many will come.......they are prates.
That was R.S.V.P (yet they did not respond! what so ever.)
That's baseless. You're using Crocodile and Doflamingo to judge the actions of the entire group.
No Im not….....They didnt even respond to the WG when told to come to a meeting. You say that the WG is the 7 Gods boss right, and they do what there told, well they didnt show up to that very IMPORTANT meeting.
7 Gods do as they please!
Btw the Marines wont work with scum of the sea!
He's not the fanboy but you are one. Who has a Mihahw avatar and hopes desperately that Mihawk is the strongest so Zoro can become the strongest too. Stop calling other fanboys when you are indeed the biggest one.
STFU,i answered to his statement of my post being idiotic,
stop being impolite,i never said mihawk is the strongest nor that zoro will be someday,the best possible scenari is that zoro will be equal to luffy in the end
also my theory is that since zoro always fights the second strongest,in the end luffy will fight the strongest WB so that makes mihawk the 2nd strongest there is
Buggy is definitely going to improve. Also, BB just gained his DF. He is trying to figure out all the possibilities.
is definately??? speculation maybe??? so indeed there is no evidence to back it up
Here you go again. Mihawk stronger than Shanks? We don't know that for sure. Others can become stronger too, but as I said BB just gained a new abilities and he still tries to use his power at full potential. Therefore, he is going to improve faster than other characters.
oh he is going to improve faster? when you have a theory about something that isn't stated it's speculation but you know when you are sure about something that isn't stated it is called fanboyism
most times i get easily offended and i wouldn't answer any of your posts if you didn't flame that much but "i am unlike those idiots who use their all to hunt rabbits",if phenoimenal or FFA debate me on shanks vs mihawk i will answer but i won't waste my time on you
STFU,i answered to his statement of my post being idiotic,
stop being impolite,i never said mihawk is the strongest nor that zoro
is definately??? speculation maybe??? so indeed there is no evidence to back it up
Everyone is improvin on the Grandline. Do you really think that Buggy would have survived in the Grand Line without getting stronger? Even the CP9 improved when they worked in the Galleyl company. It was stated by Fukurou.
oh he is going to improve faster? when you have a theory about something that isn't stated it's speculation but you know when you are sure about something that isn't stated it is called fanboyism
BB just got his DF. When Croc got his DF, he also trained for years and improved. He wasn't as strong as he is right now when he got his DF.
most times i get easily offended and i wouldn't answer any of your posts if you didn't flame that much but "i am unlike those idiots who use their all to hunt rabbits",if phenoimenal or FFA debate me on shanks vs mihawk i will answer but i won't waste my time on you.
Oh you don't answer me where I didn't even try to flame you. Only because FFA and phenomenal post more often than I do, you will respond to hi,? I' sorry if it sounded that I wanted to flame you. I just found it ironic how you call someone else a fanboy.
:getlost: it seems that all these pollution to the environment is bad after all
Also, it was you who said that and not me.
