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Chapter 512 "No Contact From Zoro" Discussion
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Everything indicates that Rayleigh will have to move from Sabaody, since his hiding place was found (he might not need to, he has a job in there anyway, but it would be a lit inconsistent if the marines let him live peacefully after this week talk with Kizaru)…
It is possible that another similar island exist in the other side of Red Line, or even if there is another way to coat the ships that come back so he could still do his thing in there...
So he could travel with the SH between these two islands, giving enought time for Zoro to find them -
Will you guys please stop bringing up spoilers! There is a spoiler forum for a reason! When actually spoilers come out you'll be able to talk about them all you want!
As for Kuma's question of "Where do you want to go?" I think of it more along the lines of a taunt. I really doubt he would send someone where they actually wanted to go. And why would Zoro want to be anywhere else?
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That would be a badass taunt in Grand Battle.
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how come i get the feeling that Kuma actualy sends you to the place you "least" desire to be.. after all he literaly is a tool for the world goverment. hes not about to realy send people to theyr'e dreams destinations.. he then would be the worlds best travel agent !:getlost:
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Hey stupid theory, but what if Zoro meet the person who trained Mihawk? Teach him the next step in cutting the diamond or like Mihawk cutting the elements…but it seems that everyone here hates the training idea so let's throw that one away.
Anyways, I doubt Zoro will find his way back to the crew alone and I'm pretty sure that someone will help him. Hopefully, the next nakama since helping Zoro back pretty much gets you an automatic invitation whoever it is.
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You're free to think whatever you like. However there is no question of loyalty or doubt here, it's Zoro. They have no need to search for Zoro because he may be in direct danger or because they're simply unsure of his motivation as was the case elsewhere. I believe Luffy would approach Zoro's situation much as he approached Ace's. Ace lives his own way and overcomes his own challenges and Luffy is unwilling to interfere with that. In fact, I don't think Zoro would even want them searching for him as it would break his original terms for joining the crew. This is just another chance for him to become stronger and if Luffy were to interefere with that well….
I'd have to disagree with you on this one. Only for the simple fact of how Zoro dissapeared at the moment. What I mean is, if Zoro would have just left to go off on his own I would agree with your theory of Luffy not trying to go after him like Ace. But Zoro vanished right in front of Luffy's eyes, in front of a Shichibudika, in thin air. I don't think that Luffy would just say, "ok I believe Zoro will be ok, he's strong." It would be Out of Character because of what Luffy has done so far to Nami and Robin when they dissapeared. He wanted to find them and get them back no matter what. I understand Nami's situation but at first Robin left on her own saying not to go for her, and Luffy did the exact oppisite. Now I know this isn't the same situation as Zoro at all, but I DOUBT Luffy would want to go anywhere else with out the friend who has been their with him since the beginning. IMO
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@e1n:
just some words of advice / warning:
1. stop with the "ew, miracles, go away." this thread is to discuss the chapter, not miracles.
2. no more mention of the spoilers in this thread. i can't believe i had to delete some posts because they reek of spoilers. i thought you all know by now that talking about spoiler outside the spoiler forum is more forbidden than eating cows in india.
thank you to all the members who have tried to keep the discussion on-topic.
anymore off-topic talk and i will start making people disappear with my paw-paw fruit, only this time, no one will be talking about where you disappeared off to. and there certainly won't be any "rescue arc" or "level-up arc."
one word, PREACH!
I still still STILL don't see why people think the SH's would leave Zoro, SMH, and that he would meet them at Fishmen island, ahhhh, how the heck would he get there? Does he not need a ship to be coated? Would the SH's not kill anyone to get their namaka back? come on people, please tell me what manga we're talking about?!
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one word, PREACH!
I still still STILL don't see why people think the SH's would leave Zoro, SMH, and that he would meet them at Fishmen island, ahhhh, how the heck would he get there? Does he not need a ship to be coated? Would the SH's not kill anyone to get their namaka back? come on people, please tell me what manga we're talking about?!
This isn't a situation where the SHs can follow somebody to find Zoro. Even if they killed Kuma he doesn't have to tell them anything. Exactly how will they go about finding him?
I can see them moving on hoping to see him in the NW due to a hint from Kuma or someone else.
As for Zoro ending up on Fishman island without a boat or coating I think you missed the part where Zoro disappeared, he can easily reappear there. So he wouldn't need any of that. Also who have the SHs killed to get back nakama?
This is clearly 2nd turn in the manga so expect new things to happen whether you like them or not.
If you think about it the events at SA are just what happened at Loguetown but on crack and steroids(unbeatable logia=Smoker>>>Kizaru, enemy from the past= Buggy/Alvida>>>> Kuma, savior=Dragon>>>Rayleigh).
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I'd have to disagree with you on this one. Only for the simple fact of how Zoro dissapeared at the moment. What I mean is, if Zoro would have just left to go off on his own I would agree with your theory of Luffy not trying to go after him like Ace. But Zoro vanished right in front of Luffy's eyes, in front of a Shichibudika, in thin air. I don't think that Luffy would just say, "ok I believe Zoro will be ok, he's strong." It would be Out of Character because of what Luffy has done so far to Nami and Robin when they dissapeared. He wanted to find them and get them back no matter what. I understand Nami's situation but at first Robin left on her own saying not to go for her, and Luffy did the exact oppisite. Now I know this isn't the same situation as Zoro at all, but I DOUBT Luffy would want to go anywhere else with out the friend who has been their with him since the beginning. IMO
GOOD POST
However, I disagree with some of these points. Yes, Zoro was/is on the brink of 'death' (or as close as a OP character will ever get to it ouch) and yes he vanished at the hand of a Shichibukai. But I don't think that's enough to make Luffy worry about him. In fact, and this just popped in while writing, for the first time this chapter we saw Luffy frightened for the safety of his entire crew. I can't recall any time thus far where he's called on them to, "RUN!", without a huge grin on his face. That is to say, Luffy knew they were in danger right there and then. But with Zoro warped(?) somewhere he's at least somewhere that isn't, well, there, which means he can probably fend for himself. Again, Luffy isn't a genius, but he knows his crew and he knows his promises and so long as Zoro is away from that particular location, I'm pretty sure that the character Luffy wouldn't be worried about Zoro.
Now you bring up Nami and Robin. This I STRICTLY disagree with. Nami and Robin's situation were completely different. I said above, Luffy knows his crew. No really, he's like a fuckin' psychic or some shit. When Usopp left he knew that was Usopp's decision. But Robin and Nami? He cut straight through the bullshit and saw that they were taking actions that may have been in sound judgement, but completely against their will. Here we have a case where Zoro's loyalty isn't an issue. Yeah okay, maybe he didn't want to be warped off somewhere but it wasn't a choice he made under pressure from above, he just went somewhere and we know that if he physically could, he'd want to be back with them in a heartbeat.
Not the case with Nami and Robin who were making active choices not to be affiliated with the crew at all.
As far as Luffy not wanting to go anywhere without Zoro, I think that very attitude would be something Zoro would spit on. It goes against everything Zoro has and will stand for. Zoro will fight for others and he'll fight to help others, but he is Oda's vision of a man and to go out of their way just to try and help him? I don't think Zoro would be able to show his face in public again.
NOW, that's not to say it couldn't happen. In fact, such an unexpected scenario would be totally like Oda and it could have a serious effect on Zoro's personality and the character we know.
HOW-EVER
OP usually isn't that deep.
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GOOD POST
However, I disagree with some of these points. Yes, Zoro was/is on the brink of 'death' (or as close as a OP character will ever get to it ouch) and yes he vanished at the hand of a Shichibukai. But I don't think that's enough to make Luffy worry about him. In fact, and this just popped in while writing, for the first time this chapter we saw Luffy frightened for the safety of his entire crew. I can't recall any time thus far where he's called on them to, "RUN!", without a huge grin on his face. That is to say, Luffy knew they were in danger right there and then. But with Zoro warped(?) somewhere he's at least somewhere that isn't, well, there, which means he can probably fend for himself. Again, Luffy isn't a genius, but he knows his crew and he knows his promises and so long as Zoro is away from that particular location, I'm pretty sure that the character Luffy wouldn't be worried about Zoro.
Now you bring up Nami and Robin. This I STRICTLY disagree with. Nami and Robin's situation were completely different. I said above, Luffy knows his crew. No really, he's like a fuckin' psychic or some shit. When Usopp left he knew that was Usopp's decision. But Robin and Nami? He cut straight through the bullshit and saw that they were taking actions that may have been in sound judgement, but completely against their will. Here we have a case where Zoro's loyalty isn't an issue. Yeah okay, maybe he didn't want to be warped off somewhere but it wasn't a choice he made under pressure from above, he just went somewhere and we know that if he physically could, he'd want to be back with them in a heartbeat.
Not the case with Nami and Robin who were making active choices not to be affiliated with the crew at all.
As far as Luffy not wanting to go anywhere without Zoro, I think that very attitude would be something Zoro would spit on. It goes against everything Zoro has and will stand for. Zoro will fight for others and he'll fight to help others, but he is Oda's vision of a man and to go out of their way just to try and help him? I don't think Zoro would be able to show his face in public again.
NOW, that's not to say it couldn't happen. In fact, such an unexpected scenario would be totally like Oda and it could have a serious effect on Zoro's personality and the character we know.
HOW-EVER
OP usually isn't that deep.
I think considering how much luffy whats his crew to be safe first and foremost him not going after zoro would be totally out of character. How he is going to find him IDK but I said it before the story isn't going to progress with out zoro.
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As far as Luffy not wanting to go anywhere without Zoro, I think that very attitude would be something Zoro would spit on. It goes against everything Zoro has and will stand for.
....Beyond all of this it would be completely pointless to keep sitting at shabondy, cause everyone knows that Zoro has no chance to ever find his way to a (known) location. Chances would be much better to move on and hope for a chance meeting.
(Zoros odysee and the later reunification might also have a very positive -deep- impact on the story).However, I don´t feel this should happen! At least the strawhats have to be sure (roughly) where Zorro was sent to. For if Kuma sent him directly to Impel Down they can´t move on as if nothing has happend.
Therefore my guess for the next chapters is that there will be some kind of announcement from Kuma of they will learn about his ability in some other way (Shakky or Rayleigh sure should be knowledgable).
When it becomes clear that Zoro was sent to a place of his choice (unknown or not) they might move on - but if he went to Impel Down or Vegapunks lab (perhaps right next to Ace), well, them let´s Get ready for WAAARRRRR~!!
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I've been thinking something - who is Zoro's goal? Who is the person that Zoro in a sence wants to be? Mihawk. And Mihawk is constantly shown to be completly alone wandering around in a tiny boat. He doesn't have a crew or friends that tag along to help him, he's alone against anyone who gets in his way. Maybe we are seeing an oportunity for Zoro to mirror that, to go the same way. It certainly seems the best way for him to level up, more or less behind the scenes. We continue to follow the SH crew, but from time to time we get a chapter or two of Zoro fighting this guy or that guy becoming an ever greater fighter and an ever greater name. This way he is both out of the crew and alone (a la Mihawk) and inside the manga through his fights (a la Ace vs BB or Shanks vs WB). Seems it would be an interesting development, but it would leave the crew quite weak and they are already weaker than the dangers they will be facing in the future.
Only human.
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I think considering how much luffy whats his crew to be safe first and foremost him not going after zoro would be totally out of character.
I'm not sure if I'm not being clear but in so few words:
For Luffy to be worried about Zoro to the point where he would go out of his way to search for him, when he is outside of immediate danger, would betray his original promise to the man.
Zoro would relish in an opportunity to be fucked up and either die or get himself out of trouble. As I mentioned, Luffy knows his crew and he knows this about Zoro. Robbing Zoro of that opportunity to make himself stronger would totally go against their original agreement.
It has nothing to do with how important his so-called 'NAKAMA' are or not to him. If Zoro was like, "Uh…guys I uh....I um....I need to quit the crew, don't come looking for me! Bye!", Luffy would cry bullshit and go to the ends of the earth to find out what the hell the problem was. Not what happened here.
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For Luffy to be worried about Zoro to the point where he would go out of his way to search for him, when he is outside of immediate danger, would betray his original promise to the man.
…...How could they believe Zoro was "outside of immediate danger"??
Zoro was taken by the enemy, in a state where he could hardly lift his finger (and we all know why he is in that state). -
Everything indicates that Rayleigh will have to move from Sabaody, since his hiding place was found (he might not need to, he has a job in there anyway, but it would be a lit inconsistent if the marines let him live peacefully after this week talk with Kizaru)…
It seems as though they've known that Rayleigh was on the archipelago for a while now, but did not move against him until now because he wasn't endangering anyone and because it would be a big, complicated hassle to extract him forcefully from his hiding place.
Of course, that's all changed now, because he's revealed himself and is currently endangering some high-ranking WG folks – so they have to deal with him. If for nothing else, than to save face with the Nobles.
And you're right, it will be difficult for him to return to the relative anonymity that he once enjoyed after this fight he's having with Kizaru, but at the same time, so long as the "lawless" parts of the archipelago really are lawless – so lawless that not even an Admiral would set foot in them -- then all Rayleigh would need to do to remain on the archipelago is to move deeper into those lawless areas.
He and Shakky seem perfectly capable of defending themselves -- and untroubled by their proximity to the WG -- so I see no reason for them to move if they don't have to. So if the have to move, I expect them simply to move deeper into the lawless zone.
But I won't rule out your idea of him traveling into the New World with Luffy and crew. It could happen for other reasons: for instance, if he wants to help them navigate a shortcut, or find Zoro, or something like that.
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i believe that zoro was "warped" to kuma's bible.
i dunno, i dont see kuma's power as freely teleportation of anyone (including himself). okay his paw paw powers are weird, he can transfer pain, he can reflect stuff, he can create a "bomb", he can move like he is teleportating (dunno if this is actually cause of his paw power repelling himself, but…), maybe he repelled zoro to inside the bible, and the book has it's own power. I dont remember him touching the bible without gloves anytime before, maybe it has something to do with it.
Maybe its like a "portable prision" and he asks ppl coz well, its a book, and he can create a page for them that meets the person's tastes, like in a fairy tail or something.
just a not-so-random theory.
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i believe that zoro was "warped" to kuma's bible.
i dunno, i dont see kuma's power as freely teleportation of anyone (including himself). okay his paw paw powers are weird, he can transfer pain, he can reflect stuff, he can create a "bomb", he can move like he is teleportating (dunno if this is actually cause of his paw power repelling himself, but…), maybe he repelled zoro to inside the bible, and the book has it's own power. I dont remember him touching the bible without gloves anytime before, maybe it has something to do with it.
Maybe its like a "portable prision" and he asks ppl coz well, its a book, and he can create a page for them that meets the person's tastes, like in a fairy tail or something.
just a not-so-random theory.
Very nice (and explicit) theory, I liked especially the part about creating "individual pages" - if so, then surely Zoro will return from a unbelievable, 1stclass training yard. … after they have taken down Kuma:sad:
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I'm pretty much with Greg in this one, but we still have one thing in this equation, the Vivre Card, we know Oda don't show this kind of stuff for nothing; and it can mean two things…
1 - They will use it to search for Zoro
2 - It's the only way that Zoro can have a clue about directions...I would bet my two cents in number 2, since Oda could find another ways for the crew to find Zoro, and he would never find them without the Vivrecard
HOLY CRAP I ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT THAT! But to have a vivrecard of Zoro, he would have had to had one made for himself out of his fingernail or whatever. I don't know why he got one anyway since out only directs to one life force. And I forgot is it from the strawhats or rayleigh?
That's a good idea but i think luffy would understand that zoro has to deal with some of his own problems… I hope kuma fights franky one on one sometime bcuz that would be really cool...
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How could they believe Zoro was "outside of immediate danger"??
Zoro was taken by the enemy, in a state where he could hardly lift his finger (and we all know why he is in that state).Yes thank you for bringing that up bedrock. You reminded me of a point I wanted to make about Kuma.
What evidence do we have that Kuma is vindictive?
Okay, he has a scary nickname.
Okay, he has a dead-pan demeanor.
Okay, he almost killed Luffy.
Okay, he almost killed Zoro.
He was also just doing his job.
Like Smoker or Ao Kiji.
He had the opportunity to kill everyone. He had no reason to make the deal with Zoro that he made and furthermore, he simply left Zoro for dead after upholding his end of the bargain and didn't bother to 'finish the job'.
He seems to be a man of his word and one that respects a certain unspoken law among men.
While he is physically powerful and a devastating force to cross, he seems like the least of their worries at this point.
"But Greg, Luffy doesn't know that!"
Sanji, Robin and Brook know exactly what went down and they would never let Luffy go on a wild goose chase. I mentioned this above but Zoro is basically more safe anywhere Kuma could have sent him than he was right there at the hands of Kizaru. And I don't mean to the tune of, "OH NOES! ZORO IS TEH LOCKED UP!" I mean as far as someone aiming to KILL HIM AT THAT MOMENT.
If anything, Kuma did him a favor.
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It seems as though they've known that Rayleigh was on the archipelago for a while now, but did not move against him until now because he wasn't endangering anyone and because it would be a big, complicated hassle to extract him forcefully from his hiding place.
It seens they have heard about it, but never had any proof (only a few knew for sure, but the ones that could respect his choice)…
With Kizaru knowing (its stated he only heard about before), they have a real reason to send all three Admiral to the island after they deal with WB, which in my opinion would be a bit too much for Rayleigh and Shakky; afterall, the execution of Roger's first mate could serve some propose in times like this one (great amount of rookies, WG x WB)...
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well preety much greg kishido me everyone except some random guy was wrong
they wanted to split up in the previous chapter n that whats going to happen
no spoiler leaked im talking about how they wanted to split up earlier and thats why no matter how far they go with vivre cards each wink
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Yes thank you for bringing that up bedrock. You reminded me of a point I wanted to make about Kuma.
What evidence do we have that Kuma is vindictive?
Okay, he has a scary nickname.
Okay, he has a dead-pan demeanor.
Okay, he almost killed Luffy.
Okay, he almost killed Zoro.
He was also just doing his job.
Like Smoker or Ao Kiji.
He had the opportunity to kill everyone. He had no reason to make the deal with Zoro that he made and furthermore, he simply left Zoro for dead after upholding his end of the bargain and didn't bother to 'finish the job'.
He seems to be a man of his word and one that respects a certain unspoken law among men.
While he is physically powerful and a devastating force to cross, he seems like the least of their worries at this point.
"But Greg, Luffy doesn't know that!"
Sanji, Robin and Brook know exactly what went down and they would never let Luffy go on a wild goose chase. I mentioned this above but Zoro is basically more safe anywhere Kuma could have sent him than he was right there at the hands of Kizaru. And I don't mean to the tune of, "OH NOES! ZORO IS TEH LOCKED UP!" I mean as far as someone aiming to KILL HIM AT THAT MOMENT.
If anything, Kuma did him a favor.
You know Greg, you really oughta watch out.
You've set your expectations so high that this is gonna happen that you're gonna be majorly disappointed if it doesn't :/
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well preety much greg kishido me everyone except some random guy was wrong
Why so negative? I don't seem to recall anyone keeping track of forum members actually being wrong. And for that matter:
no spoiler leaked im talking about how they wanted to split up earlier and thats why no matter how far they go with vivre cards each wink
Again with the pessimism. Multiple ideas have already been offered on how IF everyone has a piece of Vivre Card (which has not even been confirmed) it could still take Zoro a good long time to get back to the crew depending on wherever he might be. chp's excellent observation opens up a number of fantastic possibilities, but it doesn't discount anything that's been suggested.
Geez, some people really take this discussing hopes and dreams of what will occur in the comic seriously.
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Why so negative? I don't seem to recall anyone keeping track of forum members actually being wrong. And for that matter:
Again with the pessimism. Multiple ideas have already been offered on how IF everyone has a piece of Vivre Card (which has not even been confirmed) it could still take Zoro a good long time to get back to the crew depending on wherever he might be. chp's excellent observation opens up a number of fantastic possibilities, but it doesn't discount anything that's been suggested.
Geez, some people really take this discussing hopes and dreams of what will occur in the comic seriously.
lol i put the wink to show what i was really talking about
but yeah there was a pic with everyone having a vivre card in their hand
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lol i put the wink to show what i was really talking about
but yeah there was a pic with everyone having a vivre card in their hand
wouldn't the vivre card take them back to the original owner???????
fucking whoever got the spoiler thread locked should be banned.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
wouldn't the vivre card take them back to the original owner???????
fucking whoever got the spoiler thread locked should be banned.
I think BF locked it… and I bet most of us don't want that he will be banned. The one that should e banned are the stupid shitheads which did things against the spoiler rules.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
wouldn't the vivre card take them back to the original owner???????
fucking whoever got the spoiler thread locked should be banned.
yea to silver who is where their ship is and who they need to get to to all be together
and yea e1n takes long naps this ban is way too long
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lol i put the wink to show what i was really talking about
but yeah there was a pic with everyone having a vivre card in their hand
Should people who do this get banned? Like give any hints or winks at all to the spoiler.
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Should people who do this get banned? Like give any hints or winks at all to the spoiler.
banned for winking :blink: thats harsh
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lol i put the wink to show what i was really talking about
I have no idea what you mean again.
but yeah there was a pic with everyone having a vivre card in their hand
In a previous chapter? Where? Because that would be very helpful.
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507 page 12. Excellent find neo! I completely skimmed over that when reading. There is an excellent chance for many of the scenarios we've seen put forth to play out. I suppose all of it depends on how long Rayleigh spends with the crew.
So let's say Rayleigh parts ways or even perishes at the end of this arc. That gives him three days? I don't think we currently know of anywhere within that distance of the island that's of particular interest that Zoro would want to go to that is IF he went somewhere he actually wanted to go. Furthermore, if Kuma deliberately sent him somewhere one of the closest places would be Mariejoa and perhaps ID given the exact location of it between EL and MJ.
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This arc is just full of surprises.
With Zoro gone, I don't think any Strawhats are heading to Mermaid Island. Perhaps they'll part ways and then regroup. That makes the Vivre a paramount part of the story.
And even now we have no idea what Law and Kidd are doing.
Anyway with Zoro gone, and the crew in chaos, each member will have to grow in their own way, especially Luffy. I think the greatest lesson Luffy can have from this situation, is that things won't go your way no matter how strong you are. Since the beginning, Luffy has always resolved every problem by kicking someone's ass, or by running away in Smoker's case. Now he can't do either. Vivi was right. Luffy is too straightfoward and naive.
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Also, surprised that no one has commented on Usopp's calmer than usual assessment of the situation. Usually he's freaking out and running, but now he seems more analytical, actually being more practical than just scared. He's come a long way.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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Anyway with Zoro gone, and the crew in chaos, each member will have to grow in their own way, especially Luffy.
Indeed. That's why I was so excited by the move and hope Oda doesn't wuss out with it. It's a chance for some really big changes.
Also, surprised that no one has commented on Usopp's calmer than usual assessment of the situation. Usually he's freaking out and running, but now he seems more analytical, actually being more practical than just scared. He's come a long way.
Yes, I completely agree. Did you see him standing RIGHT IN FRONT OF KIZARU FIRING AT HIM!????? I mean holy shit!!!! THAT WAS USOPP!!!! I'm impressed.
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Day by day, he's getting closer to being a brave warrior of the sea.
Ussop's come a long way from the guy who always runs first, shoots later. At least he stands and fights now, although not alone. He'll still run if he's alone. Perhaps that's where he'll grow, fight even when he's alone. Next, he'll fight against all odds. Actually, at that point he'll be the brave warrior that he wants to be.
Maybe some time in the future, he'll be strong enough to put his ki into his shots, giving them strength. Enough to fight logias? Not likely. If he'll go against logias, he'll use his ingenuity and make special bullets to fight logias (perhaps he'll learn how to make sea stone).
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@Fire Fist:
Also, surprised that no one has commented on Usopp's calmer than usual assessment of the situation. Usually he's freaking out and running, but now he seems more analytical, actually being more practical than just scared. He's come a long way.
Yes – very much so! Usopp's initial reaction to danger and threats may still be "AAAAGGGGHHH!! SAVE MEEEEE!!" -- but he recovers from that shock a lot faster now, and remains level-headed from there on out. He's much stronger psychologically as well as physically.
One of the coolest things about chapters 511 and 512 is the way Oda shows this new strength: by reversing Zoro's and Usopp's roles. 311 starts with Usopp jumping on Zoro's back, shouting: "You have to protect me, Zoro!" -- but by the end of 512, Zoro is the helpless (and hopeless) one being carried on Usopp's back.
Even after being chased by cyborgs, peppered with laser beams, and (maybe worst of all) hearing his unshakeable crew-mate say something dangerously close to "I can't take this anymore. I give up" -- Usopp stays strong and remains level-headed.
Due to big differences in personality, these two guys have never had an easy time understanding each other or relating to each other. It's been one of the more problematic friendships among the crew. So I like how in the last two chapters, Oda has shown us a stronger side of Usopp and a weaker side of Zoro -- shown us that they have more in common than would seem, and that because of that commonality, it's not impossible for them to be good friends.
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I mentioned this above but Zoro is basically more safe anywhere Kuma could have sent him than he was right there at the hands of Kizaru. And I don't mean to the tune of, "OH NOES! ZORO IS TEH LOCKED UP!" I mean as far as someone aiming to KILL HIM AT THAT MOMENT.If anything, Kuma did him a favor.
It certainly looks so ….
but sadly I feel that there are a lot of things far worse than immediate death ("Oh, this one survived the pain transfer? Interesting, we should have have some more experiments with him ..."). And if the crew doesn´t learn more about Kumas intentions/ability, I could not really understand an reaction like "Oh, Kuma took helpless Zoro with him - so everything will be fine."As for Ussops change, it was fun watching him for the past couple of weeks. It struck me first when he commented on the size of some attacking sea monster ... can´t wait to see him at the end of the series.
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It certainly looks so ….
but sadly I feel that there are a lot of things far worse than immediate death ("Oh, this one survived the pain transfer? Interesting, we should have have some more experiments with him ..."). And if the crew doesn´t learn more about Kumas intentions/ability, I could not really understand an reaction like "Oh, Kuma took helpless Zoro with him - so everything will be fine."Yes! A great idea! However, I would argue that the crew can
t imagine that and wouldnt go searching for him with that in mind. I mean look how Luffy handles themonstersin his crew. We just recently saw an example on TB when Sanji was taken. He just blew it off. Zoro as well. He trusts those guys to get out of sticky situations. But again, I totally agree Zoro could be in a terrible place even without his life being in danger.
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