Well, Brooke controlling souls by music won't be because of his DF. Souls are controlled, because the music moves them.
Ah, don't worry about it if you can't understand what I said.
If you could understand, Kudos to you. If you don't that's fine. You don't need to understand everything to be happy. (actually if you obsess for knowledge and understanding, you'll never be happy.)
i feel like i just got dissed in a polite and smart way -_-
One question I have is if Rayleigh is fighting, who is freaking coating their ship?
SM: If it relieves you, I get ignored a lot because what I write and think about is hard to understand, you know?
Anyways, I'm gonna learn more about Kintaro and Momotaro.
no one or there is a possibility he got other coaters to do it for him
i still dont understand but i like you i think your cool
Luffy should have done a GEAR 4, it's lame that he was going to let Zoro die …. come on luffy, don't rely on old people to save your nakama...
Akatsuki, you might want to reread the first part of the chapter again – count how many times Luffy says that he's tired or worn out or needs a rest. Also notice how far away Zoro is from Luffy when when Kizaru strikes him. Luffy's too far away to help him, and too exhausted to fight or to get closer. Luffy is helpless at that moment, and you can see the fear and worry on his face and in what he says. In the last picture on the last page, look at his eyes. Those are tears. That's not the face of someone who doesn't care, or who is just being lazy.
What about the laser that fired off? A mangrove in the background explodes, suggesting that either Rayleigh was able to kick a 'solid' knee area (meaning Kizaru only made his foot element), or Rayleigh can kick (at least Kizaru) the 'transparent' form for Kizaru's logia.
Brennen.exe, that's a good point, but was it ever stated that Kizaru has to be in "transparent" form to shoot his laser? If not, then we can assume that that's not always the case – that he might be able to shoot his laser from a "solid" leg, too. We can make this assumption until Oda shows us otherwise.
I also stray away from anything "Haki" related simply because it is so unknown
Same here. I started out thinking that the block could be some sort of haki defense, but when this other theory formed in my mind, I liked it much better because it didn't rely on a magical unknown thing – it relied on what we've already observed (well, assuming that we've correctly guessed what we've just seen ... sweat)
What if Rayleigh coated himself or something, and that is how he is able to deflect or make contact with Rayleigh.
I'm not sure how that could help him – if anything, it would make him look like Sanji, after Kalifa soaped him in Enies Lobby! Also, skin needs to breathe. A watertight coating on a person's skin would probably kill them over time.
And as far as I can tell, resin coating only makes a ship waterproof, not DF-proof. But hey, wilder speculations have been made on this forum that actually came true, so who knows, maybe this is another one ... ^^
@Shaman:
that makes me wonder what happen if a group of people eat the devil fruit at the same time will they all get the power. if thats true then yes every coater have a sky sky no mi
Shaman monk, most of your Devil Fruit questions have been answered already in threads that are specifically about Devil Fruits. If you use the "Search" function of the manga board and type in "Devil Fruit", you can find those threads.
There are a lot of them!
whats the fun in that its a whole lot better with the here and now
WITH IN ALL OF US IS SOME KIND OF ANIMAL AND IT IS UP TO US IF WE CHOOSE TO RELEASE IT - WORDS FROM A LAZY WHALE 
Hey, was Phenom….I mean Miracles banned recently? I'm getting a strong Miracles vibe from this twit and if so I need to uphold my vow of not responding to him.
@Shaman:
Of course it is!
But it kind of sort of maybe just a little upsets the people who came here to read discussion about the latest chapter when they have to read stuff that was already talked about a lot before this chapter.
Don't worry, some of the other threads in the manga forum are just as cool as this one.
"Over-thinking,
over-analyzing …"
......-- Tool (from Lateralus)
What the hell is this? Everyone's gone insane.
Anyway, Greg, I can see it as a possibility. You never know with Oda. But I've always had the image of Vegapunk being this really tall guy that looks like a male Nami (Yes, Nami). I mean, the Upper Brass of the Marine all seem really tall: Sengoku, Kuzan, Kizaru, and the Gorosei are all fucking huge men. Even Spandine was pretty tall… and I still wonder where Spandine is now. Impel Down Prison Warden is my best guess.
Although, Vegapunk being in Sentomaru made me think of the Galvan guy in Ben 10 who lived in the bio-suit. It'd have to be something like that, because Sentoumaru isn't all that tall.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
I don't care what any of you say, Greg is wrong.
LOOK LOOK CHECK IT MY FAITHFUL ARLONG PARK CHOIR VEGAPUNK IS IN SENTAMARU…
I am glad people are actually refuting his nonsense.
I just watched the EnisLobby, episode 267 again. What luffy fought there against marines in the city was very much. And now after one, two actions he/they are exhausted.
Oda, this is simly not realistic. Sorry.
@Fire Fist:
What the hell is this? Everyone's gone insane.
Anyway, Greg, I can see it as a possibility. You never know with Oda. But I've always had the image of Vegapunk being this really tall guy that looks like a male Nami (Yes, Nami). I mean, the Upper Brass of the Marine all seem really tall: Sengoku, Kuzan, Kizaru, and the Gorosei are all fucking huge men. Even Spandine was pretty tall… and I still wonder where Spandine is now. Impel Down Prison Warden is my best guess.
Although, Vegapunk being in Sentomaru made me think of the Galvan guy in Ben 10 who lived in the bio-suit. It'd have to be something like that, because Sentoumaru isn't all that tall.
I can't agree that Oda's imagination is beyond all mortal realm. All you have to do is spend hours each day drawing and creating a story for several years, and you'll be a great mangaka. Add in a bit of creative talent, and you'll become a big shot. From there, have a dedicated attitude toward your manga and its readers, and you'll become Oda.
@dwo:
I just watched the EnisLobby, episode 267 again. What luffy fought there against marines in the city was very much. And now after one, two actions he/they are exhausted.
Oda, this is simly not realistic. Sorry.
hmmm, he is not using Gear when he fought poor pawn marines
Did Luffy go Gear Three against the fodder in EL?
Also, while i was sure that Moria said his subordinates were killed, the piece of text that is being quoted, does in fact imply that they left him once they were famous and strong enough to make it on their own.
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Did Luffy go Gear Three against the fodder in EL?
Also, while i was sure that Moria said his subordinates were killed, the piece of text that is being quoted, does in fact imply that they left him once they were famous and strong enough to make it on their own.
get what u mean but i think moria was saying
once they got famous aka got a high bounty
his men were killed
well its tuesday if we're lucky might get early spoilers but im not olding my breath
the chapter after next if kizaru doesn't leave quickyl after raylieghs apparence will be the talk Zoro and silver or sanji and silver have about what Zoro did for luffy in thriller arc
some people think its bad for luffy to know n i can understand that but i also think him knowing is a good thing if luffy is going to find a new way to get stronger
Of course it is!
But it kind of sort of maybe just a little upsets the people who came here to read discussion about the latest chapter when they have to read stuff that was already talked about a lot before this chapter.
Don't worry, some of the other threads in the manga forum are just as cool as this one.
fine i wont talk about devil fruits in the chapter threads unless it has something to with the current chapter or if anyone brings it up:wub:
but i will still come up with different ideas that could possibly be true or just wana see how people think of it and of caorse it will relate to the current chapter:ninja:
hope that makes you happy
Did Luffy go Gear Three against the fodder in EL?
Also, while i was sure that Moria said his subordinates were killed, the piece of text that is being quoted, does in fact imply that they left him once they were famous and strong enough to make it on their own.
Well the quoted text is obv quoted out of context especially when Moria goes on about living subordinates and dead ones are better since u can't lose them. How luffy wont make it in the new world cuz his whole crew is alive.
@MonkeyDMalcolm:
Well the quoted text is obv quoted out of context especially when Moria goes on about living subordinates and dead ones are better since u can't lose them. How luffy wont make it in the new world cuz his whole crew is alive.
I agree, my point is merely for a piece of text that's quoted near seven times trying to prove a point, it's a bad selection. there were much better options available.
Utoom's next post:
*Utoom seething with anger, his hands fly across the keyboard in a fury. He makes multiple points that while logical, have no base that can't be reasoned out or certainly turned on their head. He does all of this while using words, phrases and punctuations such as:
"lol"
"!"
"Uh,"
"hell"
Utoom then goes on to make his vague point from the previous post 'clear' by explaining that Moria was in Odr's stomach. What Utoom doesn't realize is that Moria was never hiding and furthermore, he was literally controlling Odr by commands. This has nothing to do with why or how Vegapunk may or may not be within Sentoumaru.
Utoom then finishes his brilliant (to a kid anyway) revenge post with a sarcastic finisher that really shows Greg who's the boss.*
And in reponse to that, Greg is going out to do some shopping. Bye!
…but why are you so mean?...it isnt the first time some1 doesnt want to believe some1`s crazy ideas..and this idea is rly...not likely, cause with odr oda had something rly similar not long ago and i rly just hope that not everything around vegapunk is transformed by himself into a suit or something...
@Shaman:
just in case you didnt see it
i never meant for this to be an arguement but whatever. i was thinking like it will be a comical thing like this:
vegapunk:wow this is an intresting fight (while eating popcorn):ninja:
sontoumaru: what the hell are you doing in there?:blink:
vegapunk:well you gotta protect me so before you left while you were sleeping i sneaked in your stomach
sontoumaru: i dont care if its cozy, get out of there:wassat: and give me some of that pop corn:getlost:
vegapunk: go get your own:getlost:
while everyone just stares at them
vegapunk:what your acting like you never seen someone in someone elses stomach before:wassat:
while every one is like sure why not:ermm:you know something fun not something serious like some of you took it. it seems greg is the only one who got it while it just went over everybody elses heads
that would be a rly funny situation….than sentamarou=vegapunk suit would be okay hahaha
That nonsensical rant is something else.
Rant? I just posted your exact post. I called it exactly. The sarcasm and all. You simply made it a reality. Don't go projecting your own faults on others.
No wonder you can't think straight. FYI, simply saying something doesn't make it so. Try using logic, bud.
What? Wherever did I do that? In fact, if you really believed that, we shouldn't even be playing this game because you shouldn't have said like a smartass:
Uh, why do you bozos think Vegapunk is inside Sentoumaru?
In your own words:
FYI, simply saying something doesn't make it so.
And way to completely ignore, for the 2nd time, that Sentoumaru's words completely rule out your amazingly dumb idea. Keep ignoring this, actually…you're a funny spectacle.
I'll take the high road and not insult you for neglecting to read this post where I directly addressed that:
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=940217&postcount=434
But, go and enjoy shopping to take your mind off being humiliated.
Humiliated? On a message board? See folks, there's that 'typing with fury' I totally called. You must be a very angry person.
I did enjoy shopping by the way. I got some bitchin' merchandise for Cinder whom I owe big time and a super secret plushie for EGX that he's gonna flip over.
Oh, and if you are female (I honestly can't tell despite your male username) all the above makes -perfect- sense and I'll stop arguing right now.
And there's the ending I called as well. Why'd you even bother? I practically posted for you. I imagine you'll continue repeating the pattern until you get the last word and your ego is satisfied. And who am I to deny you that?
Just because Sentoumaru shows that he's strong doesn't mean he's invincible.
Woah, woah, woah. Where did I even suggest that?
But there is absolutely no reason he needs to be inside Sentoumaru to collect data!
I gave you several reasons he might be. He might want to research their bodies, he may be field testing something. Hell, he may like long walks on the beach inside a fat dude. I'm not attempting to tell you why he might be, simply that Oda could construct a reason for him to be. Christ, this mirrors last year so much it's spooky.
Think logically before… ...Oda decides to say "Fuck logic".
I'm not sure what you mean here. Are you saying Oda throws logic out the window sometimes? Because if so, how does this help your argument? I'm saying he can construct a reason for it. I'm not attempting to say how, or why or that he will with any certainty. Simply that he can think up reasons for things we could not possibly have conceived just chapters ago.
You know, if anything, the ideas that are met with the most needlessly voracious assault from fans seem to be those that come to fruition.
Hey, you started it.
I started what? Saying that it's a possibility? An idea which isn't even my own? And that idea deserves being attacked despite not being one which can be disproven or counted out as batshit insane as Luffy spouting golden monkeys out of his ass? That simple intimation deserves this much drama?
…....
I started what? Saying that it's a possibility? An idea which isn't even my own? And that idea deserves being attacked despite not being one which can be disproven or counted out as batshit insane as Luffy spouting golden monkeys out of his ass? That simple intimation deserves this much drama?
It surely doesn´t.
Personally I really don´t like the idea - but it actually might happen. Remember Sentoumaru is Vegapunks "BODYGUARD". What´s the duty of bodyguard, if you take it literally?
Has anyone comented on the symbol on Sentous dress? Can the thing in the middle represent Vegapunks (geeky) head?
There's no point arguing over something where you can't provide solid factual proof. I think the theory is possible, as it hasn't been proven impossible. I'd rather it not be true though. The question is; why is Vegapunk's bodyguard nowhere near Vegapunk himself (as far as we know/ see)? Maybe that's why Kizaru is hurrying to get ahold of Sentoumaru, to take him back to the HQs quickly for Vegapunk.
wow, just how childish do you have to be to write a post like that? greg, i mean. OK, you have an idea and you shared it, so what if someone doesn't like or agree with it? Dude, you sound like a whiny childish prick, get on with life. You are not the only one who's been reading OP for a long time, you are not the only one who has guessed right before, you're just another fan like all of us. Get a grip on coz you are embarrasing yourself.
So as not to be completly off topic - the thory is possible but not plausible for me. It's just kinda lame I think, but then I also thought so about Kizaru's fruit and it ended up being what everyone expected it would be so you never know…
Is it supposed to be a bird of some kind, or a badly-wilted chrysanthemum? The more I look at it, the more it seems likely that Sentoumaru is indeed designed to poke fun at Sasuke. I'll bet that apron is glossy black!
@dwo:
And now after one/two actions he/they are exhausted. Oda, this is simply not realistic. Sorry.
Have you ever punched someone or something? It can be tiring if you do it for an extended amount of time, but the more you train the more endurance you have. Taking it a step further, if you decide it's "all or nothing" and use all your energy in each hit, you will be exhausted in a matter of minutes where you might have lasted 10x that duration under different circumstances.
Luffy's exact words were: Since I already KNOW you're tough…I'm going all-out from the start!!!
[hide]@Stephen's:
@Chapter:
Luffy: Since I already KNOW you're tough…I'm going all-out from the start!!!
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@ysn:
OK, you have an idea and you shared it, so what if someone doesn't like or agree with it? Dude, you sound like a whiny childish prick, get on with life.
I think this can go both ways. "OK, someone has an idea and they shared it, so what if you don't like or agree with it? Dude, you sound like a childish prick, get on with life." If he wasn't being attacked I doubt he would have taken it that far. At least, it seems that way to me.
brennen, that's true, but I found his tone to be much more offensive and intentionally so than the other guy was. Might be just me though, who knows :)
Only human.
i feel like this is my fault T_T i was just saying something that could be funny and possible and something i would LOVE to see XD
also i will like to guess something else: i think if they ever meet vegapunk and it becomes an arc i think it might be something that chopper will be more involved with cause chopper is a doctor and hes kind of a scientist him self who knows i feel like if there is a vegapunk arc i think chopper might be the focus or even catch vegapunks intrest XD
@ysn:
brennen, that's true, but I found his tone to be much more offensive and intentionally so than the other guy was. Might be just me though, who knows :)
I disagree the guy attacked greg from the back so greg just pointed out how something he said seems crazy but has happened. Its thats easy.
brennen, that's true, but I found his tone to be much more offensive and intentionally so than the other guy was. Might be just me though, who knows :)
ysn,
Hi. I don't know you but hello. Yes, brennen more or less hit the nail on the head. What further compacts the issue is that this is the third time I've personally witnessed creativity being attacked on this board as if there was something wrong with it.
OK, you have an idea and you shared it, so what if someone doesn't like or agree with it?
I don't have an idea. I did not conceive of said idea. What I do think is dead wrong, is for someone to insult someone instead of simply stating why X will not happen.
I have no belief that said idea will actually come to pass.
But I think fans should be able to post ideas without some bully coming along and spouting:
'Uh, that's a stupid idea lol!'
I'm sorry if that's what you think qualifies as being a childish prick.
i feel like this is my fault T_T i was just saying something that could be funny and possible and something i would LOVE to see XD
Absolutely nothing is your fault and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. You just brought an interesting idea to the table, there's no reason for insults on your idea.
I mean whatever happened to, "Well, that's one idea but I don't think it could work because…."
Instead of:
Uh, why do you bozos think Vegapunk is inside Sentoumaru?
And let's look at a few choice remarks from what other few posts said poster has contributed to the community thus far:
Damn dude, how in the world did you ever think of it? I mean, this is such a WILD idea, that a guy shooting light beams would be a light logia! Unprecedented work, Sherlock! If only you devoted your massive 95 point IQ to solving the energy crisis and global warming
Who the hell is 'Rufy'? Learn to spell it correctly
Maybe being polite and exchanging ideas without making a jackass snide remark is just old-fashioned now?
Maybe being polite and exchanging ideas without making a jackass snide remark is just old-fashioned now?
Unfortunately, that is the truth. I try to avoid using any and all forms of insults or harsh arguments but even I find myself wanting to flame someone for being ridiculous sometimes. It has just become so normal that not doing so is being weird now. I hate it personally, but it is just a sad reflection of how bad everything is outside a forum in the waking world.
To the topic at hand, is the general consensus that Sentoumaru can physically hurt Luffy in a way a normal punch could not? Or simply that his defensive / counter attack was really strong but in a weird way…? OR something akin to an impact dial...? Even Stephen's trans makes it hard to tell.....or something. Also, I really liked how leader-like Luffy was this chapter. Actually making educated assessments of the situation, giving orders, and other stuff........or something. I am not very confident today.
A random thought:
If it turns out that Rayleigh doesn't have a seastone device and that his DF (if he has one) doesn't naturally negate Kizaru's. Then does that mean that Smoker is very weak? He's reliant on both his DF and seastone.
@Shaman:
…..
also i will like to guess something else: i think if they ever meet vegapunk and it becomes an arc i think it might be something that chopper will be more involved with cause chopper is a doctor and hes kind of a scientist him self who knows i feel like if there is a vegapunk arc i think chopper might be the focus or even catch vegapunks intrest XD
That was my exact thought when Hogback was introduced - and turned into a major disappointment, Choppers spotlight was limited to some super lame speech about no longer respecting Hogback as a doctor … so sad.
Random Thought Part 2:
With the track record of the Shichibukai's….'loyalty'....I get a chuckle in thinking they would actually seriously consider installing a new member whose DF is the natural enemy of one of the Marines' top players.
Tottaly of topic:
Yo Greg congratz with your marriage!
Perhaps they consider Teach as a man who merely wants immunity for his actions, and plan to dispose of him and the rest of the Shichibukai as soon as the Yonkou are eliminated.
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
oh, well. lets all just make love not war. oh, wait…yuck! that saying doesn't really work between guys, now does it...:)
Anyway, we are all free to post our opinions, whether others agree with them or not. It's just that once the discussion moves away from facts and goes into flaming it doesn't really matter who started it, just that no one stoped it and then both parties are equaly at fault. Oh, well...fact is I also used some strong words and that wasn't right. Let's just read the manga and have fun, ne? :)
Ice- Thank you!!!
Meh-
Well that's what I mean about their track record. So far they've got what seems to be what? 2 possibly 3 known loyal followers? One might be tempted to call Flamingo 'loyal' because he shares the same goal of eliminating WB but his 'New Age' business is iffy. So they seem to have Kuma ~~and Mihawk on their side. Croc tried fucking them over and Moria seemed intent on heading straight for OP to claim the title which is, well, more or less what the WG seems to be trying to prevent.
Jinbei we just don't know squat about and of course the mystery slot.
As you suggested, yeah maybe they're just using them as a means to an end until they complete their goal but holy hell, they can just count Kizaru the fuck out against Teach. Without Seastone in the equation it'd be like Luffy VS Ener all over again. And with one of their 3 big forces taken out, well, once the first domino goes….
You've gotta figure they have a major ace up their sleeve to deal with something like that.~~
@_Meh_:
Perhaps they […] plan to dispose of him […] as soon as the Yonkou are eliminated.
But Greg's thought was the clincher: Blackbeard is the natural enemy of one of their strongest. (With the potential to be stronger than the other two as well). How do you depose someone you cannot stop?
You've gotta figure they have a major A****ce up their sleeve to deal with something like that.
Ace wouldn't help either, even if Dr. Vegapants managed to create a mind control device. Wait, you weren't suggesting that? That wasn't a pun…...?
Ice- Thank you!!!
Meh-
Well that's what I mean about their track record. So far they've got what seems to be what? 2 possibly 3 known loyal followers? One might be tempted to call Flamingo 'loyal' because he shares the same goal of eliminating WB but his 'New Age' business is iffy. So they seem to have Kuma ~~and Mihawk on their side. Croc tried fucking them over and Moria seemed intent on heading straight for OP to claim the title which is, well, more or less what the WG seems to be trying to prevent.
Jinbei we just don't know squat about and of course the mystery slot.
As you suggested, yeah maybe they're just using them as a means to an end until they complete their goal but holy hell, they can just count Kizaru the fuck out against Teach. Without Seastone in the equation it'd be like Luffy VS Ener all over again. And with one of their 3 big forces taken out, well, once the first domino goes….
You've gotta figure they have a major ace up their sleeve to deal with something like that.
IDK that finger beam and those kicks are devastating. Wouldn't BB also pwn Aokiji since he seems to need to touch people~~
I think BB can more or less own most people being darkness, despite having a body, but anytime Kizaru even attempted to use any of his powers, he could just be like SCHLOOP and seal him the hell away as opposed to Ace who was actually able to effectively attack his body.
Random Thought Part 2:
With the track record of the Shichibukai's….'loyalty'....I get a chuckle in thinking they would actually seriously consider installing a new member whose DF is the natural enemy of one of the Marines' top players.
@_Meh_:
Perhaps they consider Teach as a man who merely wants immunity for his actions, and plan to dispose of him and the rest of the Shichibukai as soon as the Yonkou are eliminated.
But Greg's thought was the clincher: Blackbeard is the natural enemy of one of their strongest. (With the potential to be stronger than the other two as well). How do you depose someone you cannot stop?
I've thought about this too, and I've come to two possibilities that may or may not be true.
WARNING (Explicit Dialog)!!
I don't actually think BB is quite as uber as ppl think he is. Yeah, he can nullify any df power, but we've already seen that none of the top fighters depend solely on df power. Basically BB has to fight hand to hand with everyone and we've seen that on the highest level personal power is even more important than having a logia. Actually, i think we are about to see just how important fruit powers are - Kizaru vs Rayleigh could answer a lot of questions in this regard.
Only human.
- The WG/Marines actually don't know what BB's DF ability is, and elected him solely based off of him capturing Ace.
- The WG/Marines are so pressured for resources to use against piracy that they're willing to take the risk of having that natural enemy as an ally in the hopes that there won't be a betrayal. Also, he may have given them information about WB's corps set up and infrastructure.
If I may move something around a little bit. Option two would seem the most likely to me…as I cannot imagine them adding someone without doing some research on their fighting ability and skills. Good speculation...
- The WG/Marines actually don't know what BB's DF ability is, and elected him solely based off of him capturing Ace. Also, he may have given them information about WB's corps set up and infrastructure.
Yeah, this thought crossed my mind and if true, major lulz are in store for them.
I don't actually think BB is quite as uber as ppl think he is. Yeah, he can nullify any df power, but we've already seen that none of the top fighters depend solely on df power. Basically BB has to fight hand to hand with everyone and we've seen that on the highest level personal power is even more important than having a logia.
This may true as well. We've also been shown that Oda placed a MAJOR handicap on him by making his body tangible which is why other fighters at least…hmmmm....I dunno about 'standing a chance' but they're in a better place than Kizaru. At any rate, for this very reason, strategically speaking, BB is a dangerous mofo to have around Kizaru.
@ysn:
Basically BB has to fight hand to hand with everyone**.**
I think that is more or less the reason Blackbeard wanted it, or at least why he chose it. He becomes a natural "sea stone" to stop all DF users (most importantly Logia's), gains an ability in itself to suck stuff in and spew it out (perhaps more we will learn of later), and is more than capable and strong enough to give the likes of Shanks a scar in a fair fight and escape (as far as we know) unharmed. He is top level in each category essentially, while remaining susceptible to defeat by our Protagonists.
To the topic at hand, is the general consensus that Sentoumaru can physically hurt Luffy in a way a normal punch could not? Or simply that his defensive / counter attack was really strong but in a weird way…? OR something akin to an impact dial...? Even Stephen's trans makes it hard to tell.....or something. Also, I really liked how leader-like Luffy was this chapter. Actually making educated assessments of the situation, giving orders, and other stuff........or something. I am not very confident today.
I'm actually content with Sentoumaru being capable of harming Luffy with "blunt" attacks. What I'm hoping for, is that this first attack is just for extra suspense and that while Kizaru and Rayleigh are fighting, Luffy at least holds his own against Sentoumaru, and the other SHs minus Zoro have to deal with the PX1. If Sentoumaru is protrayed as stronger than Luffy, I think I will be disappointed at that.
Have you ever punched someone or something? It can be tiring if you do it for an extended amount of time, but the more you train the more endurance you have. Taking it a step further, if you decide it's "all or nothing" and use all your energy in each hit, you will be exhausted in a matter of minutes where you might have lasted 10x that duration under different circumstances.
Luffy's exact words were: Since I already KNOW you're tough…I'm going all-out from the start!!!
Even with this statement, I didn't like how winded the monster trio were. Of course, with the exception of Zoro, but even in going all out, if they were sustaining damage from the PX4, or if they did more attacks than what was shown "on-screen", i'd like to have some evidence for this. I'm also with the group that didn't like how exhausted the SHP were after their "mega-attacks". There's going all out, and then there's being exhausted with heavy breathing after 1 attack. To me, this isn't very consistent with what we've been shown of all the SHP till now. My best guess is that there were more things going on off-screen, but I'd definitely have liked more evidence of it. Perhaps I just missed it as I'd only read the chapter once so far.
I think that is more or less the reason Blackbeard wanted it, or at least why he chose it. He becomes a natural "sea stone" to stop all DF users (most importantly Logia's), gains an ability in itself to suck stuff in and spew it out (perhaps more we will learn of later), and is more than capable and strong enough to give the likes of Shanks a scar in a fair fight and escape (as far as we know) unharmed. He is top level in each category essentially, while remaining susceptible to defeat by our Protagonists.
It's funny how many people overlook this fact. BB was essentially capable of harming one of the emperors before he obtained this DF powers. His DF in essence creates the optimum battle circumstance for him. He gets to use his usual physical abilities while gaining the ability to successfully land his attacks without fear of his opponents DF power or other power.
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He is top level in each category essentially, while remaining susceptible to defeat by our Protagonists.
yep, exactly. After all, who is the first guy that pops up in your head when mentioning hand-to-hand?
"hint"Luffy"hint"
If Sentoumaru is protrayed as stronger than Luffy, I think I will be disappointed at that.
I would as well.
Even with this statement, I didn't like how winded the monster trio were. My best guess is that there were more things going on off-screen, but I'd definitely have liked more evidence of it. Perhaps I just missed it as I'd only read the chapter once so far.
I didn't mean for the statement to excuse it necessarily. Just trying to be understanding of what the author gave us. He wants us to (without drawing the fight out too many chapters) give us an understanding that even with the entire teams strength at top notch, the Pacifista are going to be a major force in the future. In addition, they are all going to be exhausted at least to the point that they know it would be unwise to remain around to fight another one immediately after in addition to a second unknown foe. (Also, in addition to remaining in one place too long so an Admiral can find them).
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@freedom:
BB was essentially capable of harming one of the emperors before he obtained this DF powers.
I just realized something. There is that whole debate about whether or not Shanks was Yonkou "level" back in Chapter 1 (before losing his arm), or if he acquired it after. If Shanks were not "at the top of his game" back then, when he already had his scar and still had both arms, why would he be warning Whitebeard about Teach? Wouldn't he be like, "Teach messed me up something good, but I was still small fry back then so Teach might be stronger now…". Doesn't this kinda clue us in that Shanks was Yonkou then, and strong enough to know Teach was and still is a great threat??
@ysn:
I don't actually think BB is quite as uber as ppl think he is. (…)
yep, exactly. After all, who is the first guy that pops up in your head when mentioning hand-to-hand?
"hint"Luffy"hint"
People who view Bibi as +3h ubb3r assume he'll be an endgame opponent of Luffy. Being taken down by endgame Luff doesn't harm his supposed status at all, in fact being ub3r is required to play that part.
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