Truth
I'm sorry guys. I just love to bait and hate.
Truth
I'm sorry guys. I just love to bait and hate.
The Pacifistas are great! In the past, strong enemies can only be damaged by the strongest of Mugiwara (LuZoSan)
but in Pacifistas case, they're highly resistant to physical attacks, and it just wouldn't be efficient for Luffy to Gear 3 on all of them (they're mass produced after all), but Nami and Usopp can effectively damage them and cause malfunction.
I hope in the future, the Pacifista (other than Kuma which is way more superior than the other ones) will be taken care of by Usopp and Nami. Let luffy and the others deal with the big fish such as vice admirals or admirals.
Go pacifistas!
Yeah, I hope it’ll turn out that way.
Guys this page explicitly states that pacifistas are cyborgs.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/09/
Part human, part robot. Discussion over.
Kuma says that he himself (the "paw man") is a cyborg. The rest of the bunch is still up in the air …
... well, personally I tend to rely on Frankys expertise that they are indeed cyborgs. I´m just irritated by the thought that they need a Kuma clone for each such cyborg.
What do you get from this conversation?:
"Are you a demon?"
"Yeah but I'm not like any you've seen. I'm an Antidemoni, a Powerful weapon created by Beezlboob."
That says that an Antidemoni is a demon.
Therefore Pacifista = Cyborg. Amirite?! Amirite?!
I get from this conversation that you are getting a little agitated.
Furthermore I get that your use of set theory and logic is lacking …
"Are you american?"
"Yeah but I'm not like any you've seen. I'm a black man, a former slave sold into this country."
That really says that a black man (this black man) is an american. But according to your logic every black man would have to be american ...
I'm not agitated.
But your example does make sense. I see now but…argh! I can't explain it. The "unlike you've ever seen" and the "I'm a black man" when used directly one after the other denotes a relationship, which in this case would be the "American"
IDK, that's how I interpret the two sentences.
Hah, bitches! Told you they were clones!
I wonder if the Kuma Bots can compare Kizaru power can they copy the other 2 admirals power???????
Are the lasers inspired by Kizaru's power or are they literally copied from his DF? I mean if you can make a robot a laser can easily be made physically, same for some type of freezing system if they show they can use Aokiji's power.
I just see it as being inspired by Kizaru because if Vegapunk could copy DF's into the Pacifistas they would become virtually unbeatable and we all know that isn't happening.
Yeah, Vegapunk found a way to create something like Kizaru's laser and put them into the Pacifista's.
Nice chapter, I´m particuliar happy that Franky raises the exact same issues that bothered me about the Pacifistas nature.
How the hell did they get those Kuma look-alikes?
Obviously the concept of "cloning" is completely unknown to him - He is so startled about this, that he even doubts his own first judgement that the pacifista is an "altered human" (aka cyborg).
Although I don´t like most adaptions of cloning in pop-culture, I guess that´s where the story will go: Vegapunk did the trick to re-"produce" humans (with all the moral implications). As it seems, he also suceeded in reducing them (personaliy wise) to obedient fighting machines.
On a second note: Having to raise a clone (with unknown failure rates) before creating it into a cyborg, combined with the mentioned cost (equivalent to a battleship) might hopefully answer the question about limitations to mass production.
Rather than cloning I just assumed it was plastic surgery of sorts. Taking a human and augmenting their physical appearances (and capabilities) to that of Kuma
hmmm, here is the fact:
Kuma is cyborg (half robot and half human).
PX series are full robot.
I really doubt someone will doubt this since it's all clear
hmmm, here is the fact:
Kuma is cyborg (half robot and half human).
PX series are full robot.I really doubt someone will doubt this since it's all clear
Did you read (at least a part of) this thread? - not to mention the manga?
Did you read (at least a part of) this thread? - not to mention the manga?
hmmm, my opinion based from 2 last chapters.
PX series just got malfunction after got hit by Strawhat Pirates attacks.
If there is a human in it, it will not end up like that. Do you catch my point?
And original Kuma is a former pirate. We know pacifista are Vegapunk's products, and Kuma has bounties. So we can conclude that when Kuma is not a shicibukai, he is pure human. Why would government give bounties to their own product (not to mention Kuma is the loyallest Shichibukai)?
After he became Shichibukai, Vegapunks do him.
Admit that what I'm saying is correct.
Very good point. I will buy that for now. Pacifistas are no human, only robots.
hmmm, my opinion based from 2 last chapters.
PX series just got malfunction after got hit by Strawhat Pirates attacks.
If there is a human in it, it will not end up like that. Do you catch my point?
No.
Why wouldn´t a human/cyborg end up like this? (the mechanical cyborg parts could be wrecked/blocked by the damage, so that the still concious brain is helplessly caught in the shell, OR the organic brain of the cyborg might be knocked out (concussion), in any case => same outcome)
And original Kuma is a former pirate. We know pacifista are Vegapunk's products, and Kuma has bounties. So we can conclude that when Kuma is not a shicibukai, he is pure human. Why would government give bounties to their own product (not to mention Kuma is the loyallest Shichibukai)?
After he became Shichibukai, Vegapunks do him.
Admit that what I'm saying is correct.
That (the original) Kuma probably was changed into a cyborg after he became Shichibukai has never been questioned (as far as I remember).
@ Nuzzie:
Yeah, surgery could be another alternative - especially after what we have seen from Hogback - but who would want to let transform himself into some zombie like Kuma bot?
Kuma did say at TB that Vegapunk could do things that other people could only do 500 years from now. Perhaps cloning is one of those things.
hmmm, my opinion based from 2 last chapters.
PX series just got malfunction after got hit by Strawhat Pirates attacks.
If there is a human in it, it will not end up like that. Do you catch my point?And original Kuma is a former pirate. We know pacifista are Vegapunk's products, and Kuma has bounties. So we can conclude that when Kuma is not a shicibukai, he is pure human. Why would government give bounties to their own product (not to mention Kuma is the loyallest Shichibukai)?
After he became Shichibukai, Vegapunks do him.
Admit that what I'm saying is correct.
I’m right there with you.
I think, I am sure that Enels cover story will play a part in this story.
Px-4 tired out all the strawhats, almost to their limits.
All the strawhats, more or less took out CP9.
A simple Pacifista can dominate the Cp9, the strongest goverment group?
How good is Vegapunk!?!?!?!?
@Fiasco.:
Px-4 tired out all the strawhats, almost to their limits.
All the strawhats, more or less took out CP9.
A simple Pacifista can dominate the Cp9, the strongest goverment group?
How good is Vegapunk!?!?!?!?
I believe that they were more or less in a hurry so they pulled out all the stops to beat the px-4, plus they were caught be surprise, if they knew that they were going to fight kuma they would have prepared for it, like they did when they headed for Eines Lobby.
and I do not bellieve that a px-# would beat all of CP9. CP9, like you said, is the most powerful assassination team fromt the WG.
@Fiasco.:
Px-4 tired out all the strawhats, almost to their limits.
All the strawhats, more or less took out CP9.
A simple Pacifista can dominate the Cp9, the strongest goverment group?
How good is Vegapunk!?!?!?!?
He is the best of the best in brainpower and I’m right there with you that a simple Pacifista would dominate the CP9.
He is the best of the best in brainpower and I’m right there with you that a simple Pacifista would dominate the CP9.
How could that possibly happen?
I mean I know the Px-#s have their "lasers" and are pretty sturdy, but you really think that men who were on par with luffy, zoro, sanji, chopper, and Franky, would lose to one pacifista? Not to mention that ALL of cp9 can use soru which I believe would be fast enough to dodge "lasers", While only Luffy understands how to use that technique.
How could that possibly happen?
I mean I know the Px-#s have their "lasers" and are pretty sturdy, but you really think that men who were on par with luffy, zoro, sanji, chopper, and Franky, would lose to one pacifista? Not to mention that ALL of cp9 can use soru which I believe would be fast enough to dodge "lasers", While only Luffy understands how to use that technique.
I think you overestimate soru, sooner or later he will get hit anyway. All from the CP9 lose in a duel. One Pacifista lose against all Strawhats and was unlucky, too. You know he get an explosion in his mouth and shot his own powerful attack in his mouth. This powerful attack is a big circle in the end and to get this critical damage inside was a big disadvantage.
The Pacifista lose against the Strawhats because he was unlucky and is even more difficult than some people think. I don’t see how one of the CP9 can make serious damage on him, especial because in my opinion the Strawhats becomes more powerful since then. Further the Pacafista can make with his beam serious damage to the CP9.
The pacifista being robots is obviously possible, we´ve seen robots in enels coverstory. But why would the gov. shape robots to look like Kuma? Even incorporate the illusion of bleeding? These things are so crazy strong in their own right that they simply don´t have to borrow respect by imposing a shichibukai. So I think they are most probably cyborgs.
Also, if they were to be pure robots, I couldn´t see any limitations to them beeing mass-produced (the world would be screwed..).
The pacifista being robots is obviously possible, we´ve seen robots in enels coverstory. But why would the gov. shape robots to look like Kuma? Even incorporate the illusion of bleeding? These things are so crazy strong in their own right that they simply don´t have to borrow respect by imposing a shichibukai. So I think they are most probably cyborgs.
Also, if they were to be pure robots, I couldn´t see any limitations to them beeing mass-produced (the world would be screwed..).
maybe they lack of raw material???you know the hardeness of pacifistas is more than a steel or maybe a diamond…
The pacifista being robots is obviously possible, we´ve seen robots in enels coverstory. But why would the gov. shape robots to look like Kuma? Even incorporate the illusion of bleeding? These things are so crazy strong in their own right that they simply don´t have to borrow respect by imposing a shichibukai. So I think they are most probably cyborgs.
Also, if they were to be pure robots, I couldn´t see any limitations to them beeing mass-produced (the world would be screwed..).
hmmm, it's not like that, do you know Terminator? They are bleeding too, just to make them more like human. Also covering them with human-look-a-like skin also makes them more humanized, even the robots in Enel's cover story take human forms.
Why Shichibukai? Why Kuma? To make them more intimidating, remember Kuma also known as the Kuma The Tyrant (or something like that).
I always felt the pacifistas were all robot. The blood is just a trick to make you think its the real shichibukai, it would also lead ppl to believe if they see the blood first then see the machinery cuz they'd just think he's a cyborg but in truth something more like terminator 2^^^
I don't believe Vegapunk gets random ppl and augment their bodies in to cyborgs and then make them look like Kuma.
Drake's comment about the blood makes me think even more that he was hinting to them not being human and adding to the trick.
@Zik:
…
I don't belief Vegapunk gets random ppl and augment their bodies in to cyborgs and then make them look like Kuma.
....
Though possible (after all we have seen from Hogback), I too think this is the least likely possibility.
After Frankys comments in the previous chapter (about the bodies that would be needed for such cyborgs and the impossibility of "producing" humans) I rather felt my anxiety growing that just this will be the outcome.
They produce (clone) humans (Kuma), turn them into half-robots (cyborgs) and brainwash their (just developing) personalities into obedient fighting machines.
Just the ruthless (unethical) thing one could expect from the World Government we´ve come to know …
Finaly!! Someone is starting to see the light! It may burn for now, but you're better off in the long run.
Why can't they just be robots?
PPL are saying these things so easily in passing as if cloning is just another accomplishment of science in OP or in the real world in general. So Vegapunk created some device that clones Kuma? that clones human beings period?
It's more logical for them to be robots that look like Kuma. That's not a clone, just a look a like. The blood is fake, just to trick ppl to think it's the real shichibukai, you know just in case the pacifista targets a strong pirate capable of damaging it cuz no blood would send a hint that it's not a real person.
Just like Terminator, he's not a clone. It's a robot that looks like a person(Arnold)
The reason they can't be robots is that too many characters have said that they are not.
Kuma: I'm a cyborg.
Franky: They're cyborgs.
Drake: They Bleed.
Franky: No one can "make" a human.
Points towards clone to me.
Okay wait yea Kuma is a cyborg. Franky thinks the pacifistas are cyborgs.
I already stated a possible explanation for the blood but I don't see where that 2nd Franky quote plays a role in the the pacifistas not being robots.
If they are really clones then Vegapunk would be able to do this with any person not just Kuma….
I'll wait for some actual hints to clones before I even consider it.
@Zik:
Okay wait yea Kuma is a cyborg. Franky thinks the pacifistas are cyborgs.
I already stated a possible explanation for the blood but I don't see where that 2nd Franky quote plays a role in the the pacifistas not being robots.
The second quote was Oda telling (through Franky's disbelief) that Vegapunk has learned how to clone people. You see it in movies all the time:
"There's no way Character X can do that!" -> Character X proceeds to do that.
If they are really clones then Vegapunk would be able to do this with any person not just Kuma….
Who said he hasn't? But why clone anyone other than Kuma. You said it yourself they're using his image to strike fear:
"He's just a cyborg. He aint shit." -> "HOLY FUCK! IT'S KUMA!"
I'll wait for some actual hints to clones before I even consider it.
The Franky quote was a hint…
The second quote was Oda telling (through Franky's disbelief) that Vegapunk has learned how to clone people. You see it in movies all the time:
"There's no way Character X can do that!" -> Character X proceeds to do that.Who said he hasn't? But why clone anyone other than Kuma. You said it yourself they're using his image to strike fear:
"He's just a cyborg. He aint shit." -> "HOLY FUCK! IT'S KUMA!"The Franky quote was a hint…
This is overall true but I think in this instance you're interpreting it that way but if your right it eventually come to pass.
The PX-Z's are something to wonder about too. Like how did Zetto get a hold of them? And if he got them before going againts the marines how did he manage to control the pacifista since they would have started shooting at Zetto. Finally how did Zetto get the pacifista's unique skin, eye, and hair color?
The PX-Z's are something to wonder about too. Like how did Zetto get a hold of them? And if he got them before going againts the marines how did he manage to control the pacifista since they would have started shooting at Zetto. Finally how did Zetto get the pacifista's unique skin, eye, and hair color?
Please don't bump threads that have been dead for years without good reason.