Where in the manga did it say Akoiji was the strongest?
I'm curious to read it over again
Where in the manga did it say Akoiji was the strongest?
I'm curious to read it over again
Where in the manga did it say Akoiji was the strongest?
A few days ago someone started a thread about this at NF.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=400266
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his foot turned to light
hes probably a logia
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/122/03/
By your logic, then so is Mr. 3, because he can turn his limbs to Wax.
And the thing with Smoker and Ace was for comic relief. Even if it wasn't, Kizaru would at least say something about being shot in the head, ya think?
Why can't hypnotism be explained? It's used in real life in therapeutic purposes.
It might be disputed as a viable treatment but it's a lot more real then any of the powers granted by DFs.
That's not the point Gorlom, even if you could explain hypnotism (which is unlikely) it still does not take away from the fact that there is "UNEXPLAINED MAGIC" IN ONE PIECE.
Like King Ty said, many of you read way to much into a comic book!
Lets move on please….
Having him look like the Bad Egg? Or having some sort of Blood-Blood Fruit?
A blood-blood fruit.
now if kizaru is that strong, i wonder how strong is whitebeard
Has Stephen responded to the claims made by the guy on NF?
I'm quite curious to hear on the subject. I am on the side that hopes/believes Aokiji is just one of the stronger, and not "officially" the strongest. So I'm actually hoping the interpretations change
even if you could explain hypnotism (which is unlikely)
Just for the hell of it :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnosis
have fun reading.
(I'm not going to bother with the "unexplained magic" point anymore)
Is One piece starting to become Dragon Ball? Luffy is practicaly pulling off gears in the few recent chapters and once was when he was fighting ordinary marines
Where in the manga did it say Akoiji was the strongest?
I'm curious to read it over again
It's in chapter 303: "金持ち海賊団" "Kanemochi Kaizokudan"
Translation: A literal translation of the title would be "The Rich Pirate Group", but after cleaning it up and taking out redundant words you end up with "The Rich Pirates".
The last page of the chapter's biggest panel says:
[海軍本部] 最高戦力 [大将] "青キジ"…
Kaigunhonbu Saikosenryouku Taisho "Aokiji"…
Translation: The Navy (it says Navy but I believe that Oda prefers Marines) Headquarter's strongest fighter (the Kanji says "Battle Potential" but strongest fighter works better in English and has an equivalent meaning) Admiral "Aokiji".
In chapter 319: "海軍本部[大将] "青キジ" "Kaigunhonbu Taisho "Aokiji"
Translation: The Navy/Marine Headquater's Admiral "Aokiji
On page three Robin says: …世界政府の "最高戦力"と 呼ばれる 3人
…Sekaiseifu no "Saikosenryoku" to Yobareru 3 Nin
Translation: Those 3 People are called The World Government's Strongest Fighters (highest battle potentials)
So according to Nico Robin Aokiji is one of the strongest Admirals out of the three. The Gorosei at the end of chapter 303 are saying that Aokiji is the strongest at Marine headquarters not the strongest admiral. Whew. Sorry for the rant. I got kinda carried away…..
And recently in one of the chapters, some fodder said something similar about Kizaru…
Damn, we need Oda to answer this shiz officially in an SBS!
@123:
Is One piece starting to become Dragon Ball? Luffy is practicaly pulling off gears in the few recent chapters and once was when he was fighting ordinary marines
I think he used gear there because Kidd and Law were around as a show of power.
It's in chapter 303: "金持ち海賊団" "Kanemochi Kaizokudan"
Translation: A literal translation of the title would be "The Rich Pirate Group", but after cleaning it up and taking out redundant words you end up with "The Rich Pirates".The last page of the chapter's biggest panel says:
[海軍本部] 最高戦力 [大将] "青キジ"…
Kaigunhonbu Saikosenryouku Taisho "Aokiji"…
Translation: The Navy (it says Navy but I believe that Oda prefers Marines) Headquarter's strongest fighter (the Kanji says "Battle Potential" but strongest fighter works better in English and has an equivalent meaning) Admiral "Aokiji".
In chapter 319: "海軍本部[大将] "青キジ" "Kaigunhonbu Taisho "Aokiji"
Translation: The Navy/Marine Headquater's Admiral "AokijiOn page three Robin says: …世界政府の "最高戦力"と 呼ばれる 3人
…Sekaiseifu no "Saikosenryoku" to Yobareru 3 NinTranslation: Those 3 People are called The World Government's Strongest Fighters (highest battle potentials)
So according to Nico Robin Aokiji is one of the strongest Admirals out of the three. The Gorosei at the end of chapter 303 are saying that Aokiji is the strongest at Marine headquarters not the strongest admiral. Whew. Sorry for the rant. I got kinda carried away…..
So we're back to querying whether all three are based at Marine HQ?
So we're back to querying whether all three are based at Marine HQ?
I don't see why we need to know where all the Admirals were based at?
Aokiji was only singled out at first due to the audience not knowing about the other two Admirals. In Japanese it really doesn't specify which of them is stronger. It uses that same phrase 最高戦力 (highest/greatest battle potential) for all three Admirals The first time when introducing Aokiji it says that he is "The Marine headquarters highest battle potential". Then in chapter 319 Robin says "Those three are said to have the World Government's highest battle potential".
Just recently in chapter 507 a nameless guy (the one next to the pirate that shoots Kizaru) says "He has (referring to Kizaru) the Navy's/Marines highest battle potential". It is something that is said of all three characters. Not something exclusive to Aokiji. Hope that clears things up a little more.
@Fire Fist:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/122/03/
By your logic, then so is Mr. 3, because he can turn his limbs to Wax.
And the thing with Smoker and Ace was for comic relief. Even if it wasn't, Kizaru would at least say something about being shot in the head, ya think?
Mr. 3 doesn't turn into wax, he only produces it out of his body and then he can control it. But when Luffy hits him, he feels it.
Kizaru didn't feel anything, which means its quite possible he is a logia.
That straw theory about hawkins is pretty good….It seems that he has one of the strongest abilities on the island if he survived kizaru's kick.
So we're back to querying whether all three are based at Marine HQ?
pls not…don`t let it be something like " nobody dies in OP" or "how strong are the 3 powers of the OP-world combined to each other"...
it`s getting annoying :getlost:
i also don`t want to come back to the "magic" discussion but iam forced to...
1.Miracles you should read the posts before or it is useless to discuss with you ,said before DF are the only thing which is allowed to be called magic
2. you are right that their are unexplained things in OP
but again you dont understand that there are sure things which aren
t normal but when we get a solution to this problem it wont be magic thats a fact in this manga series (like you wouldn
t call a phenomena automaticly a magic thing)
this manga has sure his own rules about physics and things which could happen and which not
but some things have to be common in the OP world (like kicking steal without breaking your leg) but still it isnt magic than ...it
s than like in our universe a "fact" that this could happen..it was never said that the OP-world has to have the same attributes like our world so there is no magic needed to explain some odd things..
also some things in our world are explained with magic and such weird explanations but you self should know that this cant be the true solution...i don
t rly believe in magic but in our world it`s a common thing. but for the most things we found a proper solution after we understood the process,which was before magic without a doubt...
I'll tell you what's magic, what's magic is the fact that flesh and bone is more resistant to being sliced with sharp objects than rocks and mortar.
Kizaru didn't feel anything, which means its quite possible he is a logia.
Also flawed logic:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/104/
By that logic, Garp is a logia. He took a blow from a Razor sharp axe and didn't even feel it.
The fact is, he could just be at that point in strength where minor wounds don't affect him. I'm not saying he couldn't be a logia, but the smoking forehead is evidence against it, and the fact that he didn't take note of the blow is not evidence for it.
Furthermore, look here:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/298/
Ace's holes where he activated his power to avoid shots aren't smoking. The guns clearly are, though.
I'll tell you what's magic, what's magic is the fact that flesh and bone is more resistant to being sliced with sharp objects than rocks and mortar.
depends on the swordsman…like we had some panels about ,the best swordsman could choose what they want to cut...so they could slice rock but with the same hit they don`t slice wood...
If Kizaru really has a light fruit, it really makes me wonder what Roger was capable of..
@Fire Fist:
Also flawed logic:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/104/
By that logic, Garp is a logia. He took a blow from a Razor sharp axe and didn't even feel it.
The fact is, he could just be at that point in strength where minor wounds don't affect him. I'm not saying he couldn't be a logia, but the smoking forehead is evidence against it, and the fact that he didn't take note of the blow is not evidence for it.
Furthermore, look here:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/298/
Ace's holes where he activated his power to avoid shots aren't smoking. The guns clearly are, though.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/508/09/
His shoe is turning into light
not covered in it, turning into it
And for all you know he could have burned that bullet to bits before it even touched him, or something
whatever, why am I arguing with FIRE FIST ACE
@Don:
depends on the swordsman…like we had some panels about ,the best swordsman could choose what they want to cut...so they could slice rock but with the same hit they don`t slice wood...
i was being facetious, but i only need to point to Mr 1 to prove my point. In fact most of Zoro's battle in One Piece are the same.
So we're back to querying whether all three are based at Marine HQ?
It'd be reasonable to assume that the strongest of the Marines are considered "HQ" Marines. It's not about simply being based there as I don't think we've seen a single non-HQ designated Marine in the Grandline or even just outside of it (like Smoker in Logue Town). Even Sengoku who we've seen in Mariejoa possibly everytime he's appeared is considered a "Marine HQ Fleet Admiral."
As for the strongest, it's already been pointed out that the manga pages seem a bit ambigious. But the Yellow Databook explicitly states that Aokiji is both among the 3 that have "the highest potential to do war" (which is the term applied to them in general) but also has the highest fighting skills in the Navy.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/508/09/
His shoe is turning into light
not covered in it, turning into it
And for all you know he could have burned that bullet to bits before it even touched him, or something
whatever, why am I arguing with FIRE FIST ACE
sigh At least try and make this interesting. Everything's so boring lately:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/120/18/
Mr. 5's shoe became a bomb, does that make him a logia too?
It'd be reasonable to assume that the strongest of the Marines are considered "HQ" Marines. It's not about simply being based there as I don't think we've seen a single non-HQ designated Marine in the Grandline or even just outside of it (like Smoker in Logue Town). Even Sengoku who we've seen in Mariejoa possibly everytime he's appeared is considered a "Marine HQ Fleet Admiral."
As for the strongest, it's already been pointed out that the manga pages seem a bit ambigious. But the Yellow Databook explicitly states that Aokiji is both among the 3 that have "the highest potential to do war" (which is the term applied to them in general) but also has the highest fighting skills in the Navy.
It's far from reasonable considering the fact that we've seen that Marine HQ ranks go all the way down.
I don't get what you mean by that.
And I also recall what I'm saying being basically outright stated (as opposed to just shown) earlier on when someone said that one of the three factors of the Grandline was the Navy HQ.
So we're back to querying whether all three are based at Marine HQ?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/507/15/
"Marine HQ admiral Kizaru"
So we have Aokiji being the MHQ's strongest.
We also have Kizaru - a MHQ character - being the Marines' strongest.
Both cannot be true unless you accept they are not exclusive statements.
Besides, if you think that it matters what place they're "the strongest" at, you should know that the databook presents Aokiji as simply "the highest war potential". It doesn't say HWP of what; no MHQ's HWP, no Marines' HWP, but just HWP. That conflicts with Whitebeard's "strongest man in the world". That should help remove any doubt that "HWP" is a title belonging to all three admirals.
Besides, if you think that it matters what place they're "the strongest" at, you should know that the databook presents Aokiji as simply "the highest war potential". It doesn't say HWP of what; no MHQ's HWP, no Marines' HWP, but just HWP. That conflicts with Whitebeard's "strongest man in the world". That should help remove any doubt that "HWP" is a title belonging to all three admirals.
From the translation I've seen of the Yellow Databook, it states that he both has the highest war potential (like all the Admirals) along with having the highest fighting skills.
And having the highest war potential, assuming that's a literal translation, does not conflict with Whitebeard's strongest man. One is the ablity to do war the other is more personal fighting ability.
From the translation I've seen of the Yellow Databook, it states that he both has the highest war potential (like all the Admirals) along with having the highest fighting skills.
You should get a retranslation of the databook. Be sure to ask if it says Aokiji specifically is the strongest guy, or if the original japanese allows for there to be more than one like that. Also make sure it's not a japanese>chinese>english translation.
And having the highest war potential, assuming that's a literal translation, does not conflict with Whitebeard's strongest man. One is the ablity to do war the other is more personal fighting ability.
They're the same thing unless you mean ability to do war in the sense of commanding military forces. But if that was the case, Spandam would have the highest war potential too or at least close to it. Obviously not the case.
@Fire Fist:
sigh At least try and make this interesting. Everything's so boring lately:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/120/18/
Mr. 5's shoe became a bomb, does that make him a logia too?
that's an explosion not a bomb
His shoe is turning into light
not covered in it, turning into it
That is your interperation, not fact. From what I can see we can't conclusivly say that is what really happened. I don't know what happened, but I can't see the point of turning his foot into light if he is going to hit someone with it. It's more likely he activated something and that shine was some visual effect while the foot did NOT turn into light.
i was being facetious, but i only need to point to Mr 1 to prove my point. In fact most of Zoro's battle in One Piece are the same.
explain why mr.1 is such a prove which stands against my answer:wassat: but read my posts before, not that i have to say something twice:happy: i`am anxious to see your example…
and you can always say after a post from your side which gets an answer which disproves you \or isnt the way you see it, that you were just joking:getlost: you could at least use smileys to show that...or do rly think that on this forum are not enough guys who take your words as fact:laughing: and when you want to show me something than i answer you cause i won
t be rude ,thats also why i take your words serious..iam sry
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/507/15/
"Marine HQ admiral Kizaru"So we have Aokiji being the MHQ's strongest.
We also have Kizaru - a MHQ character - being the Marines' strongest.Both cannot be true unless you accept they are not exclusive statements.
Besides, if you think that it matters what place they're "the strongest" at, you should know that the databook presents Aokiji as simply "the highest war potential". It doesn't say HWP of what; no MHQ's HWP, no Marines' HWP, but just HWP. That conflicts with Whitebeard's "strongest man in the world". That should help remove any doubt that "HWP" is a title belonging to all three admirals.
I didn't dispute his rank, i queried his station. i.e. Smoke was a Marine HQ captain stationed at Loque Town.
@Don:
explain why mr.1 is such a prove which stands against my answer:wassat: but read my posts before, not that i have to say something twice:happy: i`am anxious to see your example…
and you can always say after a post from your side which gets an answer which disproves you \or isn
t the way you see it, that you were just joking:getlost: you could at least use smileys to show that...or do rly think that on this forum are not enough guys who take your words as fact:laughing: and when you want to show me something than i answer you cause i won
t be rude ,thats also why i take your words serious..iam sry
Mr 1. Not a great swordsman but was a cutter-upper.
Zoro lying against pillar, Mr 1 attempts to cut him in half. Zoro emerges with a bit of blood while the pillar is completely destroyed.
That is your interperation, not fact. From what I can see we can't conclusivly say that is what really happened. I don't know what happened, but I can't see the point of turning his foot into light if he is going to hit someone with it. It's more likely he activated something and that shine was some visual effect while the foot did NOT turn into light.
no
his foot is turning into light
im done now because I dont give a shit
But if his foot turned into light, how would that hurt Hawkins?:wassat:
no
his foot is turning into light
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t305/ManaProc/untitled-12.png
im done now because I dont give a shit
It hasn't even changed shape. There is nothing whatsoever indicating that the foot isn't still solid behind that light effect.
It might have turned into light but it might just as well have been some other effect.
But maybe if you repeat it enough it will come true. :getlost:
To settle this for once and for all (or at least that panel) the question that Kizaru asked wasn't "have you ever been kicked by light" it was "have you ever been kicked at the speed of light" in the bubble previous to that he states "speed is weight" which means that the emphasis here is about speed, not material.
Mr 1. Not a great swordsman but was a cutter-upper.
Zoro lying against pillar, Mr 1 attempts to cut him in half. Zoro emerges with a bit of blood while the pillar is completely destroyed.
1.his DF is the answer
(but anyways why do you assume he is no good swordsman ,cause he use no swords??but sure he wasnt such a good1, cause zoro had defeated him easily without his DF…but still mr.1 knows about his ability and so he hadn
t to block every attack by zoro and thats why he seems weak as a swordsman.. )
2.okay good example but dont see their any kind of "magic" or would you say that it was a magic spell or whatever which saved zoro here? also before mr.1 split another pillar(attacking nami first time)...that time zoro repels mr.1
s slice with his swords..but still the pillars were sliced ...
thats something illogic in OP but still hasn`t anything to do with "magic" on which your conversation was based on..:happy:
That straw theory about hawkins is pretty good….It seems that he has one of the strongest abilities on the island if he survived kizaru's kick.
i dont think hawkins is the only supernova who can survive kizaru
s kick. for exapmle luffy. we know that he stands wel against fysical attacks.
so also for the others, who knows what they can with their power
@Don:
1.his DF is the answer
(but anyways why do you assume he is no good swordsman ,cause he use no swords??but sure he wasnt such a good1, cause zoro had defeated him easily without his DF…but still mr.1 knows about his ability and so he hadn
t to block every attack by zoro and thats why he seems weak as a swordsman.. )
2.okay good example but dont see their any kind of "magic" or would you say that it was a magic spell or whatever which saved zoro here? also before mr.1 split another pillar(attacking nami first time)...that time zoro repels mr.1
s slice with his swords..but still the pillars were sliced ...
thats something illogic in OP but still hasn`t anything to do with "magic" on which your conversation was based on..:happy:
1/ Because Zoro said so.
2/ It was a joke that you took seriously!
no
his foot is turning into light
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t305/ManaProc/untitled-12.png
im done now because I dont give a shit
Oh shit!! Mr. 3 was turning into wax!!!!
1/ Because Zoro said so.
2/ It was a joke that you took seriously!
you with your jokes…not funny and i can`t detect them :sad: when you just write it without a emotion which show me the opposite than you fail at being a funny guy on the i-net..especially cause of this statement
i was being facetious, but i only need to point to Mr 1 to prove my point.
:getlost:
whatever i have done my job in disproven you that there is\was any so called "magic" so far in OP
i was being facetious, but i only need to point to Mr 1 to prove my point. In fact most of Zoro's battle in One Piece are the same.
All I need to do is point to Kuma to disprove your point.
@Don:
you with your jokes…not funny and i can`t detect them :sad: when you just write it without a emotion which show me the opposite than you fail at being a funny guy on the i-net..especially cause of this statement
:getlost:
whatever i have done my job in disproven you that there is\was any so called "magic" so far in OP
LOL @ you.
Whatever makes you happy man.
All I need to do is point to Kuma to disprove your point.
What are you pointing me too? The human bodies in One Piece are incredibly tough, FACT!
LOL @ you.
Whatever makes you happy man.
we both have very explicit hobbys ,havent we you making idiotic jokes on an i-net forum, and i answer some questions\to discuss some thoughts about my favorite manga.. but iam glad that you laugh about me even if it wasn
t my attention, but your attention was it to make me laugh….crazy hehe:happy:
failed again my friend ,so now i have also to laugh about you..
hope makes you also happy man
@Don:
whatever i have done my job in disproven you that there is\was any so called "magic" so far in OP
No magic, you say?
mass hypno induced illusions…. =P
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