New Official Viz Manga Discussion

[Malintex_Terek]

@Master:

Death Note, Bleach, and Naruto won't stay at the top forever.

Consider that the six year old Inu-Yasha is still popular as an anime and manga despite the rough consensus that it is a travesty of storytelling. Eight year old DBZ also remains a fiercely popular title despite having been off TV for a while. Pokemon, while losing its 400% steam from its heyday ten years ago, is still a massive multimedia franchise. Ranma 1/2 is twenty years old and still serves as a manga standard, if not an anime one.

I think that once a series gets on top, it'll continue to stay on top for many, many years. Demographic tastes don't age, but people do and so move out of the demographic. The Bleach fan at age 15 will be replaced by another 15 year old when he/she becomes 18.

Personally, I feel the whole dream some people have of OP becoming an international phenomenon is pretty far-fetched, and from my perspective quite undesirable.

[Tokoro Ataru]

In a way, OP already is an international phenominon…the problem is it just never clicked in the US. Maybe we're all freaks for loving this series while everyone else just sees "cartoony pirates with weird abilities" but...if that's how it is, let me have my OP and let me live a life of adventure even if I'm a freak.

[Dragon Warrior Steve]

Viz isn't going to skip anything. The anime isn't running at this point, they got nothing to stay ahead or keep up with, only Japan.

[Master Chef]

Oh well. One can still hope.

[Buuhan1]

@Master:

Death Note, Bleach, and Naruto won't stay at the top forever.
Death Note's done as soon as the anime reaches its finale. The movie may make its way here, but who knows.

Not fully up to date, I see. The Death Note anime ended on Adult Swim here in the states last week. Starting from this week up it will start at episode 1 and rerun. The movie HAS made its way here, it's already been in and out of theatres (single night run) and is coming to DVD very soon; the second movie is to follow.

Death Note however is an international phenomenon, it's not gonna lose steam for a long while. Oh, and did I forget to mention the studios which did The Grudge, The Ring etc.. American remakes are making a live action American film version of Death Note?

The series is also still being released on DVD and volumes, so yeah.

[sasuke6000]

I actully would see the American live action Death Note. I mean the japanese one sucked because Light wasn't evil enough and I want Chuck Norris as Light. No seriously if the cast could be anyone I would pick.

Light= Johny Depp

[DeityofDestiny]

So what makes you think the American version will be any better?

Also, isn't that guy much to old to be playing a teenager?

[sasuke6000]

Yes but if it wasent you know you would want Johnyy depp

[Malintex_Terek]

@Master:

Oh well. One can still hope.

This I don't get.

What was so bad about Skypiea/Thriller Bark that people want them skipped? If anything both arcs are perfect representatives of what OP is about, Water 7 and especially Enies Lobby are not.

[Tsugumi-ken]

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[Sandai Mera]

@Tsugumi-ken:

Plus, how will names like Light Yagami , Misa Amane work with the American audience ?

They most likely won't retain them though they could keep Light's first name.

@Tsugumi-ken:

I am just saying that Death note is far too Japanese to be remade into an American film because they would have to change the setting, and names.

You got to do what you got to do.

@Malintex_Terek:

Water 7 and especially Enies Lobby are not.

Are you sure your not saying that because you didn't like the arcs much because of certain events?

[Malintex_Terek]

@Sandai:

Are you sure your not saying that because you didn't like the arcs much because of certain events?

Aside from that.

[Buuhan1]

@Tsugumi-ken:

While Japanese films were decent for their worth, I personally cannot Imagine a ''Death Note'' film by the United States simply because they would just be dumbing it down for the average joe. In fact I question it as a majority of 'Death Note" takes place in Japan and what are they going to do ? change the film setting to Japan.
Plus, how will names like Light Yagami , Misa Amane work with the American audience ?

I am not bitching just because I am generally loathe American remakes of Japanese properties. I am just saying that Death note is far too Japanese to be remade into an American film because they would have to change the setting, and names.

It's called localizing. They will change family names and location. Death Note's main character having the family name "Yagami" and living in Japan isn't a big deal to the story. They can change that and the only people bitching will be weeaboos.

[Tsugumi-ken]

@Malintex_Terek:

This I don't get.

What was so bad about Skypiea/Thriller Bark that people want them skipped? If anything both arcs are perfect representatives of what OP is about, Water 7 and especially Enies Lobby are not.

You and me have the same taste in arcs, but honestly even though Waterseven/Enies Lobbies was not as good as Skypeia/Thriller bark IMO, I wouldn't say that those arcs are not what One Piece are about and to everybody who suggest arcs should be skipped …I find the notion of skipping material which is canon ridiculous. My viewpoint: Never skip canon material, The fact that people suggest arcs to be skipped is rather flabbergasting to me,especially since it is canon material that might feasibly have relevance to other later arcs. The Irony of it all is that when 4kids was still dubbing One Piece,and they skipped the filler and the canon Laboon arc fans hated the idea of skipping canon material, and when the laboon arc turned out to be a relevance to a later arc…Now fans arc actually suggesting that Viz recycle the same practice only on the canon manga. And to add to this , they desire for arcs like thriller Bark to be skipped.........
(waits for flaming)

[Lord Starfish]

@Tsugumi-ken:

I am just saying that Death note is far too Japanese to be remade into an American film because they would have to change the setting, and names.

…What? Why can't an american movie have a japanese main character with a japanese name? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever if you ask me.

[Sandai Mera]

@Tsugumi-ken:

You and me have the same taste in arcs, but honestly even though Waterseven/Enies Lobbies was not as good as Skypeia/Thriller bark IMO, I wouldn't say that those arcs are not what One Piece are about and to everybody who suggest arcs should be skipped …I find the notion of skipping material which is canon ridiculous. My viewpoint: Never skip canon material, The fact that people suggest arcs to be skipped is rather flabbergasting to me,especially since it is canon material that might feasibly have relevance to other later arcs. The Irony of it all is that when 4kids was still dubbing One Piece,and they skipped the filler and the canon Laboon arc fans hated the idea of skipping canon material, and when the laboon arc turned out to be a relevance to a later arc…Now fans arc actually suggesting that Viz recycle the same practice only on the canon manga. And to add to this , they desire for arcs like thriller Bark to be skipped.........
(waits for flaming)

The real irony is that people are expecting this eventhough no one was asking Viz to skip the arcs they skipped in Jojo or Bobobobobobobobobo.

[King Calamari]

I got the August issue a few days ago

Here's the winning entires to the Devil Fruit Contest.

Dream Dream Fruit:
Turns thoughts and dreams into reality and control them. It takes a heavy toll on the user and requires a strong mind to reach it's full potential.

• It came with a really nice piece of colored fan-art.

Aye Aye Fruit:
You can see anything in a 50 kilometer radius. The bad side is you can never smell again.
-Wait, what?

Meow Meow Fruit:
Gain cat like super powers. Grow sharp claws, see in the dark, powerful sense of smell and hearing. They'll also have nine lives so they can be killed up to 8 times and come back to life.
-Wow they just rolled together properties of pre-existing devil fruits.

Gas Gas Fruit
Turn into a fart cloud

Misa Misa Fruit
You'll be adored by everyone and use them as minions. This fruit will enable you to find your true love
-Is this some sort of Death Note reference?

They said they got a lot of fan art but they only printed one. I guess little kids still can't grasp the concept of turning in those release forms with the art.

[sasuke6000]

Gosh so hard to chose I mean I hate breaking 4 years olds hearts

[Gorlom]

Meow Meow Fruit:
Gain cat like super powers. Grow sharp claws, see in the dark, powerful sense of smell and hearing. They'll also have nine lives so they can be killed up to 8 times and come back to life.
-Wow they just rolled together properties of pre-existing devil fruits.

what preexisting fruit gives nine lives? which fruits are we thinking of? the only fruit I can come up with is the neko fruit that lucci ate?

[King Calamari]

@Gorlom:

what preexisting fruit gives nine lives? which fruits are we thinking of? the only fruit I can come up with is the neko fruit that lucci ate?

Well the Yomi Yomi no Mi might not give you nine lives but it does resurrect you from the dead. All the other cat like abilities sound like a Zoan fruit without the part about turning into an animal.

[Tsugumi-ken]

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[Buuhan1]

@Vegard:

…What? Why can't an american movie have a japanese main character with a japanese name? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever if you ask me.

Death Note doesn't need that. It can do the same damn story with an American cast in an American location.

[JulieYBM]

Not really. Stuff like gun control and holding people against their will is a lot more of a problem to the Japanese then to Americans, I would think. Death Note's a global story, to an extent.

Well, as long as L is still British…

[Lord Starfish]

@Buuhan1:

Death Note doesn't need that. It can do the same damn story with an American cast in an American location.

Yes, but that would be changing it just for the sake of changing it. Now, I realise that live-action-movies tend to change stuff for no reason, but that doesn't mean that they SHOULD change stuff for no reason.

[Link-san]

What chapter are we currently at in the magazine?

[JulieYBM]

Somewhere after Mr. 2 silencing the kid who saw him pretending to be the king.

EDIT: Chapter 173: Banagator.

[KaizokuFan22]

SJ has 2 days of panels at comic-con if anyone is going to this in San diego.
maybe someone could report back if they go about the future on OP(if anything is mentioned about it at all)

[Caracal]

Would it be possible for someone to maybe ask if they're planning to pull the series like they did with Shaman King or speed it up like they did with Naruto?

[sasuke6000]

Yeah give um heeeellllllllllll

[DeityofDestiny]

@sasuke6000:

Yeah give um heeeellllllllllll

Yes, let's make ourselves look like asses.

[sasuke6000]

Yes lets I'm good at it.

[Tsugumi-ken]

@sasuke6000:

Yes lets I'm good at it.

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or serious. But, If you are serious than please refrain from illogical,irrational,idiotic actions which get you confined in jail, give people the ignorant thought that One Piece fans are impulsive morons who are not rational or mature.

[Sandai Mera]

@DeityofDestiny:

Yes, let's make ourselves look like asses.

It not like some One Piece fans haven't already done that.

@Tsugumi-ken:

that One Piece fans are impulsive morons who are not rational or mature.

Did you see the tirade that RomanGod launched into a couple weeks back? that proves (again) that there are One Piece fans who don't know the concept
of being rational or mature.

[sasuke6000]

I was just kidding. That would be dumb and was joking thinking of all the Viz people getting screamed at. I didn't mean to sound like a retard

[King Calamari]

@KaizokuFan22:

SJ has 2 days of panels at comic-con if anyone is going to this in San diego.
maybe someone could report back if they go about the future on OP(if anything is mentioned about it at all)

All I have to say on the matter is good luck trying to squeeze water from a rock.

[Tokoro Ataru]

Yeah I can already imagine what Viz has to say:

"Hello, I know you are worried about that pirate series but don't…see this man right next to us? He writes a series in Japan too called "Bleach". If you have any problems, we'll tell him to tell Oda and he'll probably cancel it because Americans love Shinigami and ninja, not these...pirate things."

(OK, maybe not)

[Tsugumi-ken]

@Tokoro:

Yeah I can already imagine what Viz has to say:

"Hello, I know you are worried about that pirate series but don't…see this man right next to us? He writes a series in Japan too called "Bleach". If you have any problems, we'll tell him to tell Oda and he'll probably cancel it because Americans love Shinigami and ninja, not these...pirate things."

(OK, maybe not)

"Hello, I'm sure all you adventuring loving, swashbuckling fans are concerned about one of are great manga, "One Piece". but please try to bare with us as "One Piece" is a great series but we are working a business strategy with whats popular and give them special attention. But, our strategy is that these two manga's help fuel interest in the manga industry so we are going use Naruto and Bleach to try to help use as a guide to the great manga industry and if that happens we could convince other people to read other great manga like, One Piece."

I think this is what Viz would say it….

[Tokoro Ataru]

I know that others probably know of the "Collector's Editions" by now…but looking at the list of "special vol. 1s"...and not seeing OP there just felt either saddening...or typical. I guess minor is minor in Viz's mind...they go with established hits (Bleach, DB/Z, Naruto, Death Note, YGO) and thus this proves OP isn't one of them to them.

[Tsugumi-ken]

@Tokoro:

I know that others probably know of the "Collector's Editions" by now…but looking at the list of "special vol. 1s"...and not seeing OP there just felt either saddening...or typical. I guess minor is minor in Viz's mind...they go with established hits (Bleach, DB/Z, Naruto, Death Note, YGO) and thus this proves OP isn't one of them to them.

Yeah, but, Viz is giving the audience what they want….but there are manag's that are of two different kinds. Cliche Manga's that draw in a broad audience:Bleach, Naruto, or original mixed in with cliche's manga's that draw in a very feeble crowd: One Piece, Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo. People do not like different and One Piece and Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo deliver different… I bet if One Piece was as cliche as Naruto and Bleach and featured a more "Japanese setting" and art, It might be more popular than it is now.

[Tokoro Ataru]

@Tsugumi-ken:

Yeah, but, Viz is giving the audience what they want….but there are manag's that are of two different kinds. Cliche Manga's that draw in a broad audience:Bleach, Naruto, or original mixed in with cliche's manga's that draw in a very feeble crowd: One Piece, Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo. People do not like different and One Piece and Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo deliver different… I bet if One Piece was as cliche as Naruto and Bleach and featured a more "Japanese setting" and art, It might be more popular than it is now.

A lot of what is now the Naruto/Bleach hype (and even Death Note in a way) was forcefed by a bunch of people who hyped them, making Viz pick them up, make them get out there, put them on TV, then added more hype to the hype that already existed. Compare that to One Piece (which had the 4Kids treatment not to mention its own weaknesses already known) and Bo-bobo (which is just weird to begin with and with Viz starting from Hallelujah Land and moving slower than a snail even in the mag). See what's fair now.

[Tsugumi-ken]

@Tokoro:

A lot of what is now the Naruto/Bleach hype (and even Death Note in a way) was forcefed by a bunch of people who hyped them, making Viz pick them up, make them get out there, put them on TV, then added more hype to the hype that already existed. Compare that to One Piece (which had the 4Kids treatment not to mention its own weaknesses already known) and Bo-bobo (which is just weird to begin with and with Viz starting from Hallelujah Land and moving slower than a snail even in the mag). See what's fair now.

Well….Life is not fair. One Piece's popularity in Japan actually partly led it to its failure in here. If One Piece was much less popular in its native land, 4kids would not have interest in the series. Plus, If it was as cliched as Naruto and Bleach and as Japanese as them, and contained a new feel it would would have appealed to the audience more.

[firecrouch]

@Tsugumi-ken:

Yeah, but, Viz is giving the audience what they want….but there are manag's that are of two different kinds. Cliche Manga's that draw in a broad audience:Bleach, Naruto, or original mixed in with cliche's manga's that draw in a very feeble crowd: One Piece, Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo. People do not like different and One Piece and Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo deliver different… I bet if One Piece was as cliche as Naruto and Bleach and featured a more "Japanese setting" and art, It might be more popular than it is now.

Why do people keep believing in the whole "people like cliched stuff" argument? It's simply not true, people will like anything that entertains them, cliched or original.

[sasuke6000]

The reason viz doesn't promote OnePiece is because of many things but it not being cliche isn't one of them. The whole not making a collectors One Piece is total bs and all but god. There so bad at doing things right.

[Tsugumi-ken]

@sasuke6000:

The reason viz doesn't promote OnePiece is because of many things but it not being cliche isn't one of them. The whole not making a collectors One Piece is total bs and all but god. There so bad at doing things right.

Okay….Ignoring the lack of coherency in that post of yours.

1.My post did not infer that Vix media neglected to release the collectors edition of One Piece simply because it ain't cliched

2.My point was that Americans like cliched series over original series and even expressed my feelings that this series would do better and attract the average American's attention more if it had a more appealing art style and had a more "Japanese feel" and the series was a bit more cliched.

3. Why did you put God ? in your post

4. You really need to to double check for sentence errors, as I barely understood your post.

[sasuke6000]

SORry didn't mean to put god but good

[DeityofDestiny]

@Sandai:

It not like some One Piece fans haven't already done that.

Every series has fans who are total morons, complete asses, or both.

What's your point?

[Malintex_Terek]

@DeityofDestiny:

Every series has fans who are total morons, complete asses, or both.

What's your point?

If I may, no other fanbase (aside from maybe Evangelion) is as heavily stereotyped as One Piece, Naruto's following included. Given the large and vocal number of fans outside of Arlong Park (and a few in it) who strongly conform to the stereotype, it's not surprising why people tend to hate on us.

[Sandai Mera]

@Tsugumi-ken:

Plus, If it was as cliched as Naruto and Bleach and as Japanese as them

I have a question how does Naruto have a japanese feel to it?

and also I don't think One Piece is devoid of any cliches whatsoever.

@DeityofDestiny:

What's your point?

Trying to make sure people are fully aware of the fans who tend to make themselves and by extension the entire fanbase look like a collective of
asses with all their bitching,whining,bawwwwing,&emoness.

[Tsugumi-ken]

@Sandai:

I have a question how does Naruto have a japanese feel to it?

and also I don't think One Piece is devoid of any cliches whatsoever.

Trying to make sure people are fully aware of the fans who tend to make themselves and by extension the entire fanbase look like a collective of
asses with all their bitching,whining,bawwwwing,&emoness.

1.Naruto is about Japanese Ninja's, One Piece is about western Pirates.

2. One Piece has cliches's, but not those kind of popular cliche's such as power-ups, blast, energy. Okay…. One Piece does not have the power-up cliche' at the start.

[JulieYBM]

Who cares if One Piece has those sorts of things. It's about what else it has that matters.