I want ichigo dead like now.
Bleach Discussion Part 2
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I want ichigo dead like now.
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Well it isn't completely confirmed but it sounds like Bleach is going back to modern time in the next chapter.
No more Shinji and Kurotsuchi's Excellent Adventure?
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There is a spoiler…and its sort of a bridge between eras known as "Let's Spot the Pendulum". A summary:
! -Central 46 finds Urahara and Tessai and accuse them of "hollowfication experiments". Urahara tries to defend themselves but the proof is with the many Shinigami (particularly Shunsui) who saw Aizen's "Kyoka Suigetsu" clone.
-Tessai is sentenced to an underground prison (for using his forbidden kidou last chapter), Urahara is sentenced to exile in the living world. The "future Vizard" were to be eliminated as if they were normal hollows.
-Prior to trying to defend themselves further, Yoruichi abducts the two of them to get them away.
-With limited time before the exile, Urahara is forced to create 10 gigais at once (himself, Tessai & the victims) and vows to find a cure to hollowfication.
-Cut back to present day: Shinji & Urahara head off to battle Aizen. -
I hope it aint' something stupid like.
- The vizard never return to SS, so they never hear their side of story
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- They did, but thought by being shown wrong, and what not in sentencing that be bad image and just said leave, your half hollow. And shun them or something.
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Good….The Flashbacks have stopped and the Vizards have left to join the fight in current day. Karakura town battle royale is about to start.
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I hope it aint' something stupid like.
- The vizard never return to SS, so they never hear their side of story
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- They did, but thought by being shown wrong, and what not in sentencing that be bad image and just said leave, your half hollow. And shun them or something.
Or Aizen just used his Shikai to make it look like Urahara caused the hollowification, then Yoruichi bails everyone out before they can be put in Maggot's Nest.
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Well that a epic fight in the present for sure.
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I actually have my doubts that the fights will be that epic. There's no doubt that Aizen will succeed in finding his way to the King, Ruler, God or whatsoever of Soul Society. You don't introduce such a plot if the antagonist doesn't get there.
For that to happen Aizen would not just have to defeat all the Death Gods (and perhaps the Vizard if they join the fight) but would also require the Kings Key. And since I see no way that Karakura Town will be destroyed Aizen would have to find an alternative way to aqquire the key, perhaps by finding the real one. So all in all I think that after a short intermezzo (which by Bleach standards could mean 20-30 chapters) the fights will get to a stop just when they about to get juicy and Aizen leaves everyone behind to attack the king. Wouldn't be the first time that he left at the climax.
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Ooh, here's a cool thought. What if in the battle, Aizen manages to kidnap Yamamoto. He can then extract the information from him at his own leisure as to the whereabouts of the real key. Then he kills him!!!
Good. I always hated that asshole>.>
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I wouldn't even be surprised if something along those lines would happen. This whole Vast Lord search is obviously because Aizen needs strong forces to take on Squad 0. So when it all comes down to it, this confrontation can't be the finale. So something rather unspectacular like tricking Yamamoto would actually make more sense.
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I would prefer if Yamamoto was defeated by sheer power and dragged to Aizen's secret base.
It would lower his arrogance level a couple of notches.
Also we get to see an old guy get beat up :D
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And Aizen might killed him too.
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im sorry i forgot who yamamoto is (mind block) can someone kindly tell me who he is.
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Captain of the first division.
Leader of the thirteen divisions.
Founder of the academy.Buy yourself an internet.
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He also the oldest and strongest as well.
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Also we get to see an old guy get beat up :D
Aside from Ichigo beating up his father in chapter 1 =P.
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Tsk, Kubo really sucks as a storyteller. A dozen chapters for this flashback, where the totally uninteresting stuff gets stretched endlessly and when we finally get to the juicy stuff it all passes by in lightspeed. :(
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I agree that we needed more of the juicy parts.
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HAHAHA, I got it right (what the next chapter is gonna be about)…now, I wonder if he's close to the cure (I doubt, though, that any of the Vizards is gonna say yes to it)
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The only thing I really got from that chapter is that Central 46 communicates like a low-tech version of SEELE/NERV with those screens. (when the scene started, I almost thought they were an homage and that they were just large white monoliths…) Other than that...meh, the flashback is sadly over and now we've got a battle royale on our hands.
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@Tokoro:
The only thing I really got from that chapter is that Central 46 communicates like a low-tech version of SEELE/NERV with those screens. (when the scene started, I almost thought they were an homage and that they were just large white monoliths…) Other than that...meh, the flashback is sadly over and now we've got a battle royale on our hands.
Lol, unfortunally that really sums it up pretty well.^^
However I would lie if I'd say that I'm not curious about upcomming events. Lesser because of the fights (because fights always bore the hell out of me) but because of how the Death Gods will react when the Vizard appear. Will they welcome them or are they dumb to consider them opponents? Furthermore, I wonder if Isshin and Ryuuhan will join at some point. And last but not least, how long will it take until Aizen turns the plot around again?
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I did find it interesting that Shinji said they were indebted to both Urahara AND Aizen. Urahara is obvious, but Aizen?
I can only think that they are "indebted" to him in that because of him they were able to tap into their Hollow power and become stronger.
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Hey, I actually liked this chapter, meh, the flashbacks we're ok, but the last page got me hyped for the next chapter!
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I did find it interesting that Shinji said they were indebted to both Urahara AND Aizen. Urahara is obvious, but Aizen?
I can only think that they are "indebted" to him in that because of him they were able to tap into their Hollow power and become stronger.
I believe they were being sarcastic.
To put it in lamest terms, they were saying something along the lines of…
"Hey guys, we're really grateful that Aizen ruined our lives, got us banished from Soul Society and made us part hollow outcasts aren't we? I mean we gotta pay him back now for all the good things he's done for us, don't we
?!?!Something like that.
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I agree that Shinji was being sarcastic.
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All this flashback did was clarify what we already could have guessed or knew, and explained the connection between some of the Vizard and their future replacements (i.e. Nanao being read to by Lisa, Shuhei being saved by Kensei, Byakuya inheriting the seat from his Grandfather, etc.) We already knew that the Vizards were saved by Urahara, it was easy to guess. We also knew that Yoruichi and Tessai was involved in Urahara's exile from Soul Society. And we could've guessed this was Aizen's plan all along, as no hint of another villain or master planner above Aizen was ever given.
It was a nice break, but it was nothing new.
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This still make me wonder what is Urahara's plans for Keigo,Tatsuki, and Mizuro. I mean the last time we seen them right after Ichigo and the others head into Hueco Mundo. I'm only guessing that Urahara or Yourchi are training for the upcoming fights or something.
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I did find it interesting that Shinji said they were indebted to both Urahara AND Aizen. Urahara is obvious, but Aizen?
I can only think that they are "indebted" to him in that because of him they were able to tap into their Hollow power and become stronger.
Lol that's definitely not it. He meant it in a negative way. It's thanks to Aizen that their lives were ruined and now they are on their way to pay him back.
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Hmmmm. Well, say that they are on their way to fight Aizen (not unlikely). But will they forgive SS for what they did to them afterwards?
I guess I'm just trying to puzzle it out, cause I keep remembering way back when when Hiyori said she hated both humans and shinigami.
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Man the 46 were scum alright.
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We didn't even to see Urahara trying to help them, that's disappointing. As Ivotas said, the interesting parts of this flashback were simply rushed through while the obvious things were unnecessarily stretched out.
The only good part in this chapter was the final page of Shinji and the others leaving the warehouse.
Hmmmm. Well, say that they are on their way to fight Aizen (not unlikely). But will they forgive SS for what they did to them afterwards?
I guess I'm just trying to puzzle it out, cause I keep remembering way back when when Hiyori said she hated both humans and shinigami.
On one hand it isn't really their fault since Aizen basically had all his bases covered regarding his "innocence" in the whole thing, but on the other hand, they were more than ready to simply kill the Vaizards since they saw them as nothing but hollows at that point. Guess we'll have to wait until the eventual confrontation.
The Vaizards' main reason for being there is likely to take out Aizen because of what he did to them instead of why Yamamoto and the others are there. At best I think we'll see an uneasy cooperation since their enemies are the same.
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Well at least Aizen kill all 46 of them in the present.
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@Kidany:
On one hand it isn't really their fault since Aizen basically had all his bases covered regarding his "innocence" in the whole thing, but on the other hand, they were more than ready to simply kill the Vaizards since they saw them as nothing but hollows at that point. Guess we'll have to wait until the eventual confrontation.
The Vaizards' main reason for being there is likely to take out Aizen because of what he did to them instead of why Yamamoto and the others are there. At best I think we'll see an uneasy cooperation since their enemies are the same.
Also it's not really clear where the other Death God's were standing in all this. From what we've seen it's completely the 46's doing to treat the Vizard as hollows. Ok, not Yoruichi was the only captain that intervened but that doesn't mean that the others were ok with the dicision.
Here I just once again have to come back to Kubo's crappy storytelling skills. I would have loved to see some pages with the reactions of the various Death God's to these events. I mean countless pages of boring, repetative and predictable character small talk and then when the opportunity occurs to have some interesting statements he rashes to present time as if he ran out of ideas. Reminds me of the of "I am Legend" where I the end constantly made me think "hm, it seems that they ran out of budget at that point".
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@Kidany:
We didn't even to see Urahara trying to help them, that's disappointing. As Ivotas said, the interesting parts of this flashback were simply rushed through while the obvious things were unnecessarily stretched out.
At least we know the Hogyokyu didn't work, which means he had to resort to some alternate method of changing them back. Conquering their inner hollow, I know, but how did he enable them to regain their Shinigami consciousness enough to be able to fight their inner hollow and conquer it?
On one hand it isn't really their fault since Aizen basically had all his bases covered regarding his "innocence" in the whole thing, but on the other hand, they were more than ready to simply kill the Vaizards since they saw them as nothing but hollows at that point. Guess we'll have to wait until the eventual confrontation.
While I know this isn't true, part of me wants to believe that they were mercy killing them, not being dicks and killing them out of spite. But then again… this is Soul Society.
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Seriously, bad writers have a tendency to take plot induced stupidity to a level where it becomes just unrealistic for the involved parties to have lasted that long in the first place.
Also Yoruichi \o/
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Also it's not really clear where the other Death God's were standing in all this. From what we've seen it's completely the 46's doing to treat the Vizard as hollows. Ok, not Yoruichi was the only captain that intervened but that doesn't mean that the others were ok with the dicision.
When Aizen took over Central 46 earlier in the series the captains took their orders without question up until the very end. Who's to say it'd be any different now? Out of the remaining captains during the situation in this most recent chapter, the only one I see saying or doing anything other than Yoruichi(obviously) would be Ukitake honestly.
@Fire Fist:
At least we know the Hogyokyu didn't work, which means he had to resort to some alternate method of changing them back. Conquering their inner hollow, I know, but how did he enable them to regain their Shinigami consciousness enough to be able to fight their inner hollow and conquer it?
But we already knew it didn't work since obviously the Vaizards are still around in the present. What I would like to know is exactly how Aizen and his little group turned them into hollows in the first place. We know they eventually trained their hollow powers, but interesting stuff just got rushed through which is horrible.
It doesn't really matter now though since the flashback is over and we'll likely get some long speech from Aizen on how he did it pretty soon.
While I know this isn't true, part of me wants to believe that they were mercy killing them, not being dicks and killing them out of spite. But then again… this is Soul Society.
I thought it was obvious that the order to kill them was done out of mercy. In their eyes Urahara experimented on them and turned Shinji and the others into hollows, and Central 46 wanted to put them out of their misery of having been test subjects.
It's not like we've been given any reason to think these guys are evil. I mean the whole Rukia situation wasn't even their fault considering Aizen killled all of Central 46 beforehand. On the other hand, maybe I'm being too optimistic in thinking this.
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Don't know what everyone is complaining about. The Flashbacks MOVED the stroy further and Kubo said it was not going to reveal everything.
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Don't know what everyone is complaining about. The Flashbacks MOVED the stroy further and Kubo said it was not going to reveal everything.
If by moved, you mean repeated everything we knew, then yes.
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@Fire Fist:
If by moved, you mean repeated everything we knew, then yes.
That's not true at all.
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@Fire Fist:
If by moved, you mean repeated everything we knew, then yes.
That's not true at all.
All of Alrong Prak watches the Bleach thread as two of its most notorious hardcore members prepare to battle it out.
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@Fire Fist:
All this flashback did was clarify what we already could have guessed or knew, and explained the connection between some of the Vizard and their future replacements (i.e. Nanao being read to by Lisa, Shuhei being saved by Kensei, Byakuya inheriting the seat from his Grandfather, etc.) We already knew that the Vizards were saved by Urahara, it was easy to guess. We also knew that Yoruichi and Tessai was involved in Urahara's exile from Soul Society. And we could've guessed this was Aizen's plan all along, as no hint of another villain or master planner above Aizen was ever given.
It was a nice break, but it was nothing new.
I kinda agree with you,but we could say that for all manga (okay more or less,e.g if we saw a char read in OP about Ace´s defeat we then would´ve known that he got beaten,but not how…I hope you know what I mean)
As I said,I agree with you it was nothing new,but I liked to see how things were back then^^
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Well at least we know that prior to Aizen there were no villains in soul society.
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@Kidany:
When Aizen took over Central 46 earlier in the series the captains took their orders without question up until the very end. Who's to say it'd be any different now? Out of the remaining captains during the situation in this most recent chapter, the only one I see saying or doing anything other than Yoruichi(obviously) would be Ukitake honestly.
No, what I meant is that I miss some reaction panels of the Death God's. There's no doubts that they believe the 46 but hey, some "I never would have expected Kisuke to do something like that" or "I was always suspicious of that guy" statements would have added a lot more to flavour to the entire thing. But it seems that this is too much asked. :(
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Maybe the next flashback will covered that perhaps?
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Oh dear, please not! Having a handful of panels dedicated to that would have been quite enough. If we'd have another flashback Kubo would turn this stuff into three chapters. :(
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The intention of the Pendulum arc was good: show the origin of the Vizard. The execution…not so good. When I went into this arc, I expected a bit more about certain characters (Urahara, Yoruichi, Mayuri since he replaced Urahara, and of course the Vizard) with maybe a little bit going on in the BG to show a couple other positions at the time but nothing too much or pages worth) Heck, I even sort of thought Aizen was going to be there but moreso to show how he was inspired to maybe take up hollowfication experiments himself even if he wasn't nuts yet. But what we got were the following:
-Several pages of BG or interactions we really didn't need
-Cameos by several characters that really didn't seem that appropriate even if it was slightly informitive (Hisagi, Nanao, Byakuya)
-The same old that we got from continuity: Aizen is the source of all the problems in the world and Yamamoto and the other old farts are too stupid or senile or obsessed by their opressive rulings to realize it.There was good, granted, regarding this but a lot really should have been shorter or done in a way that didn't seem to stretch.
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@Tokoro:
The intention of the Pendulum arc was good: show the origin of the Vizard. The execution…not so good. When I went into this arc, I expected a bit more about certain characters (Urahara, Yoruichi, Mayuri since he replaced Urahara, and of course the Vizard) with maybe a little bit going on in the BG to show a couple other positions at the time but nothing too much or pages worth) Heck, I even sort of thought Aizen was going to be there but moreso to show how he was inspired to maybe take up hollowfication experiments himself even if he wasn't nuts yet. But what we got were the following:
-Several pages of BG or interactions we really didn't need
-Cameos by several characters that really didn't seem that appropriate even if it was slightly informitive (Hisagi, Nanao, Byakuya)
-The same old that we got from continuity: Aizen is the source of all the problems in the world and Yamamoto and the other old farts are too stupid or senile or obsessed by their opressive rulings to realize it.There was good, granted, regarding this but a lot really should have been shorter or done in a way that didn't seem to stretch.
^ This.
More matter, with less art, Kubo.
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i have a feeling we might get an Aizen gaiden one day. I'm still not convinced that he was born a twisted soul, and wasn't always so powerful
Kubo fooled us into thinking that he was gonna show that off in the Pendulum gaiden
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i have a feeling we might get an Aizen gaiden one day. I'm still not convinced that he was born a twisted soul, and wasn't always so powerful
Kubo fooled us into thinking that he was gonna show that off in the Pendulum gaiden
Wishful thinking is wishful.