Chapter covers and headshots ain't saying anything.
I brought up Bleach and especially One Piece showing how the Naruto story is on their level. The insecure one would bring up chapter covers for their argument.
thats funny i want to read a story about One Piece which is about Monkey D Luffy and CO and that happens. I want to read Bleach and there is Ichicigo and co I want to read Naruto i get sasuke and family problems theres a difference. When the main character is written out of the show
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/
C ya
That really helps his argument more than anything.
We know he can draw, but he chooses not to.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/12/
If Kishi can create something as stunning as the image you linked to, then would you please explain why we end up with shit like this?
@The:
That really helps his argument more than anything.
We know he can draw, but he doesn't.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/12/
If Kishi can create something as stunning as the image you linked to, then would you please explain why we end up with shit like this?
LMFAO that was terrible
We know he can draw, but he doesn't.
Precisely. Thank you.
If you'd like to think so, you're free to. Again, I'm just telling you how it is.
How what is? The Chapter covers?
Looks like you took the bait.
Where's the worm?
Why compare it to One Piece? Are you saying One Piece has a good story? I mean, I certainly haven't brought up any other currently running series because I feel a currently running story should only be judged against itself and those of the past. So are you telling me you think One Piece has a good story?
No.
Or are you simply saying it's on the same level? If it's on the same level, then how do you feel about the story of Naruto? Please keep in mind, YOU are in control of how we view other current series, not me.
I eagerly await your response.
I love how once you take the X vs Y out of the equation, everyone's bullshit rhetoric falls to bits. Let's see how far I can deconstruct it.
I feel the story of Naruto is an average shonen jump story, lame like One Piece.
How what is? The Chapter covers?
I think you know. No need to ask.
Where's the worm?
You already ate it.
No.
Thank you! Oh my goodness, this simply could not have gone any better. Thank you for being so predictable.
Okay, so you don't think One Piece has a good story. You don't think Naruto has a good story. In your own words you have said they are both, "lame."
Now, may I ask, why do you feel the need to post on a message board about them? Furthermore, why did you initiate the comparison between them when you feel that both of them are 'lame' stories? What exactly does this prove, comparing two 'lame' stories when I never brought One Piece into the equation in the first place? Why did you feel the need to bring another story into the discussion? What does this do to help your point? And if you don't mind me asking, since both series are 'lame', what exactly is your point?
Here fishy, fishy.
I feel the story of Naruto is an average shonen jump story, lame like One Piece.
so y u on a OP forum in a naruto thread talkn how bad OP is jus go to a different forum maybe a naruto one since u like it so much.
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We had fun right?
I think you know. No need to ask.
I don't really? You were complaing about chapter covers when we were discussing story.
You already ate it.
There was no bait to begin with, read the thread!
Thank you! Oh my goodness, this simply could not have gone any better. Thank you for being so predictable.
Okay, so you don't think One Piece has a good story. You don't think Naruto has a good story. In your own words you have said they are both, "lame."
Now, may I ask, why do you feel the need to post on a message board about them?
Cause I like them.:wassat:
Furthermore, why did you initiate the comparison between them when you feel that both of them are 'lame' stories?
Cause many one piece fanboys bash Naruto's story and hype up One Piece.
What exactly does this prove, comparing two 'lame' stories when I never brought One Piece into the equation in the first place?
You said Kishimoto can't tell a story to save his life and you think Oda is a great story teller. Do the math.
Why did you feel the need to bring another story into the discussion? What does this do to help your point? And if you don't mind me asking, since both series are 'lame', what exactly is your point?
Here fishy, fishy.
My point is that you and your peers are biased and it shows in your posts.
This tells me what exactly? He can draw? I think we already knew that.
The point is that he doesn't apply and challenge himself each and every week.
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U]That's how it is. You can almost tell how much the author has lost love in his own work. Look at the tank covers, wait, forget even that, check out the chapter covers. Good gravy, hip to head random character poses? We've been subjected to random hip to head character poses?
That is of course when he actually draws cover pages anymore. That's not the sign of someone that's enjoying their work. It seems that he just wants to get the thing over with as soon as possible.
Kish:http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/
Me:C ya
Its that simple.
Guess Kish does not give a flying flip about the covers hell I don't, but I tell you what I love the badass pages in that book with the fucked cover. Inside the comic book > Cover.
Don't judge a book by its cover.
@The:
That really helps his argument more than anything.
We know he can draw, but he chooses not to.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/12/
If Kishi can create something as stunning as the image you linked to, then would you please explain why we end up with shit like this?
Why in the blue Hell does Kish need to draw a stunning image of Tobi coming out the dark? U tryin 2 run a slave ship?
There ani't shit epic about that!
Oh wow. Greg is good at this unravelling stuff…
Based on those last 2 posts, the game goes to Greg!
You forgot the rest of the quote.
a stunning image of Tobi coming out the dark? U tryin 2 run a slave ship?
There ani't shit epic about that!
I don't really? You were complaing about chapter covers when we were discussing story.
Complaining? As I recall I was simply recalling facts. And I was giving an example of how the author lacks interest in his own series. When reviewing a series I believe that is allowed isn't it? Looking at it from different angles? Is that not allowed according to you? Are we limited to discussing the story which you believe to be "lame"?
There was no bait to begin with, read the thread!
Yeah there was. You totally devoured it too.
Cause I like them.
Okay, so you like "lame" stories. Lame may be defined as:
weak; inadequate; unsatisfactory; clumsy
So you like spending time reading unsatisfactory stories each week. Why is that?
Cause many one piece fanboys bash Naruto's story and hype up One Piece.
YES!!!!!
Dude I could kiss you! You make this so easy! See, I told you there was bait 
Okay! So, let's get this straight. You brought One Piece into the discussion because you feel too many 'fanboys bash Naruto and hype up One Piece' AND YET I never mentioned One Piece ONCE nor did I even suggest they should be compared. It seems to me that you, who consider One Piece "lame", felt the need to take it to Naruto's level which you also believe to be "lame". You, in your own words have called Naruto and One Piece "lame" and since you earlier said you simply want to discuss story, I can only assume that you're calling Naruto's story "lame" as well. This begs the question, if Naruto is "lame", why does it need to be compared to another "lame" series when it was NEVER a part of the discussion?
You said Kishimoto can't tell a story to save his life and you think Oda is a great story teller. Do the math.
I suck at math but you don't need to know math to blast the fuck through your point. Let's take a look at the post of mine you responded to, shall we?
Didn't seem that way to me. In fact, his efforts to make him appear more like a villain only made it seem more and more obvious that he was really working for a higher purpose. I don't know why he even bothered.
Kishimoto can design the sweetest villains in manga today.
He can't tell a story to save his life.
Did you see anything about Oda? I mean well sure, in other threads or at other times I may have said Oda is a great story-teller. But that doesn't have a thing to do with this, here, now. YOU brought One Piece into the discussion. YOU compared them.
My point is that you and your peers are biased and it shows in your posts.
So, I'm biased for comparing Naruto to….itself?
You're done bitch. Sit down.
WTF? U
I'm not certain how you want me to respond to a series of capitalized consonants and a vowel.
Kish:http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/
Me:C ya
Its that simple.
Guess Kish does not give a flying flip about the covers hell I don't, but I tell you what I love the badass pages in that book with the fucked cover. Inside the comic book > Cover.
Don't judge a book by its cover.
Thank you for admitting it. It's a damn shame when an author and his/her fans don't give a 'flying flip' about any aspect of their work.
Why in the blue Hell does Kish need to draw a stunning image of Tobi coming out the dark? U tryin 2 run a slave ship?
There ani't shit epic about that!
I agree. Why waste a page on something like that?
I got to see Miracles vs. Zephos in the "why does everyone hate bleach thread' and now I get to see Miracles vs. Greg in a Naruto thread.
Miracles is just like yamcha, he never wins a fight.
Arg, damn you Geppetto!! You beat me to it!
Well then, this sure looks like history repeating. Except now it seems all of that crap Miracles used to say how good Bleach is pretty much = 0. That is assuming that it's now on the same level as Naruto and One Piece all the sudden.
BTW, nice detective work there Miracles. People on a One Piece really like One Piece. Case closed Johnson!
Miracles reminds me of those kids that love the fuck out of FLCL and Excel Saga but will bash the shit out of Bo bo bo - bo bo - bo bo by calling it a retardly stupid series with no plot (which there is) and that it's too random ( so are the other series)
What does this have to do with a naruto discussion thread? absofuckinlootlynothin
I'm not certain how you want me to respond to a series of capitalized consonants and a vowel.
Thank you for admitting it. It's a damn shame when an author and his/her fans don't give a 'flying flip' about any aspect of their work.
Greg it is clear that you walk around with a roll of toilet paper and a Porta Potty connected to your belt, coz your full of shit, and have a serious case of diarrhea of the mouth.
Let me bold your point.
@Greg:
That's how it is. You can almost tell how much the author has lost love in his own work. Look at the tank covers, wait, forget even that, check out the chapter covers. Good gravy, hip to head random character poses? We've been subjected to random hip to head character poses?
That is of course when he actually draws cover pages anymore. That's not the sign of someone that's enjoying their work. It seems that he just wants to get the thing over with as soon as possible.
So Kish don't care about his work anymore coz he makes weak Chapter covers but come out with Epic shit like the link I posted, in his chapter.
You must have really never heard "Don't judge a Book by its cover" before have you?
I agree. Why waste a page on something like that?
Take it up with his editor.
Boo, Jinbei, boo!!
If an author loves his work, he'd pimp the hell outta every page he could get his hands on. Not just one chapter after having nearly 2 deadline free weeks in the span of a month.
Besides, if he really wanted to, Kishimoto could make a badass shot of Tobi sitting in the dark. He could play with lighting from the candles, shading, anything. He could have him walk around the room and Sasuke notices he just partially walked through parts of the solid rock wall (the dude does has some intangibility tricks).
Or I suppose he could just keep on using the etch a sketch shots we've been treated to so far, I suppose. Good effort?
Love & Peace, Love & Peace.
I never get excited for a naruto chapter for the art. I get excited for it because I anticapte that kishimoto will give me more info on char,story, plot, the world he has himself created. If I wanted to read a series with constantly aw-strucking artwork than
I'd look no further than HELLSING or BERSERK.
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Oy, take it to another thread! 
If an author loves his work, he'd pimp the hell outta every page he could get his hands on. Not just one chapter after having nearly 2 deadline free weeks in the span of a month.
The Thing is we really don't know the conditions Kish is working under. Besides some Manga Author need breaks and if they can't get a break they will get it threw panels like the one posted, and some Manga Author can't produce Epic shoots Like the links I posted in every panel, Or don't have the time span 2 do so.
Besides, if he really wanted to, Kishimoto could make a badass shot of Tobi sitting in the dark. He could play with lighting from the candles, shading, anything. He could have him walk around the room and Sasuke notices he just partially walked through parts of the solid rock wall (the dude does has some intangibility tricks).
Tobi is not a Badass character. IMO we where not to focus on the Art but the dialog exchanged between him and Sasuke.
Or I suppose he could just keep on using the etch a sketch shots we've been treated to so far, I suppose. Good effort?
Tell you the truth I really don't care how the laid looks, as long as I get info on the chars, plot, & fights etc etc which I got.
why? I'm trying to get everyone sick that way I won't be alone and also that way I can really say "you fuckers get up somethin somethin get down with the sickness" cause you know that madness is the gift that's been given to me.
Sense when has Hype men be allowed to take center stage?
Edit:Don't judge a Manga Author by the Covers he draws. Hahaha!
The Thing is we really don't know the conditions Kish is working under.
True. I just expect him to maintain a certain level of quality. Not ZOMG GOOD ART one week, then "meh" the next. That's what the anime is for.
Tobi is not a Badass character. IMO we where not to focus on the Art but the dialog exchanged between him and Sasuke.
He's Madara-Fucking-Uchiha, he ought to look badass. Besides, dialog is nice, but only as long as they actually cover stuff at a decent rate.
396 - Hi, I'm Madara. I know a secret. It's about Itachi.
397 - Ack, fire! BTW, the secret was Itachi loves you. Wanna know why?
398 - Did I mention Itachi loved you? BONDAGE FANSERVICE! Konoha made him do it.
399 - Uchiha's hate the Hokages. Jerks. Konoha made him do it. He loved you.
What's a hype man?
True. I just expect him to maintain a certain level of quality. Not ZOMG GOOD ART one week, then "meh" the next. That's what the anime is for.
Ive heard alot of Manga Author say that anime is harder to do then Manga, and even some Manga Author could be doing things at the same pace anime guys do there stuff.
Example what you just said &
He's Madara-Fucking-Uchiha, he ought to look badass. Besides, dialog is nice, but only as long as they actually cover stuff at a decent rate.
Yea, but Madara still likes to act like a weak bean. Which is Tobi.
Greg it is clear that you walk around with a roll of toilet paper and a Porta Potty connected to your belt, coz your full of shit, and have a serious case of diarrhea of the mouth.
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to respond to an insult. Is that supposed to somehow make your point better? I'm curious as how to how this comment adds to your point and would convince others. Feel free to explain.
So Kish don't care about his work anymore coz he makes weak Chapter covers but come out with Epic shit like the link I posted, in his chapter.
Yeah mean, that one spread? Yeah again, makes my point even stronger. We're retreading old ground. If he can do work like that, which we know he can, it's just sad that he doesn't more often. I also enjoy how you're focusing on that one point. Which by the way, brings me to your next comment.
You must have really never heard "Don't judge a Book by its cover" before have you?
Repeating yourself. Cyclic logic. I win.
Take it up with his editor.
Ah the eternal security blanket. Something's wrong with the comic. Blame the editor, never the author.
You're done as well. Sit down. Any reply you make at this point would only be digging yourself deeper. You've proven you add nothing to the conversation except cyclic rhetoric and insults.
… I think you missed the point Jinbei. Forget I mentione the anime part, that was a joke.
Yea, but Madara still likes to act like a weak bean. Which is Tobi.
Bah, he isn't using that cover right now anyway. I still say why can't Kishimoto put some effort into making him look cool. He is the big bad villain now that Itachi and Orochimaru (though who knows if that is still permanent) are both out of the picture. What better time to show him off then when he's put him in a dark room for the last month.
Greg, you might as well ignore Jinbei. He's probably just here for the laughs.
I'll take care of him when/if he replies back.
It's really not worth ignoring anyone on the message board. Anyone except LPS that is.
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to respond to an insult. Is that supposed to somehow make your point better? I'm curious as how to how this comment adds to your point and would convince others. Feel free to explain.
Don't make me tip that Porta Potty over now.
Yeah mean, that one spread? Yeah again, makes my point even stronger. We're retreading old ground. If he can do work like that, which we know he can, it's just sad that he doesn't more often. I also enjoy how you're focusing on that one point. Which by the way, brings me to your next comment.
The Thing is we really don't know the conditions Kish is working under. Besides some Manga Author need breaks and if they can't get a break they will get it threw panels like the one posted, and some Manga Author can't produce Epic shoots Like the links I posted in every panel, Or don't have the time span 2 do so.
Repeating yourself. Cyclic logic. I win.
Edit:Don't judge a Manga Author by the Covers he draws. Hahaha!
Flush…..
Hoped you don't forget to wash your hands.
Don't take it to the heart its all in good fun Greg.
I didn't mean literally of course.
It's probably just a waste of time for you to respond to him, he's having more fun name calling you then actually arguing points it seems. But it's up to you.
edit:: Ugh, see what I mean. ^
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… I think you missed the point Jinbei. Forget I mentione the anime part, that was a joke.
My bad.
Bah, he isn't using that cover right now anyway. I still say why can't Kishimoto put some effort into making him look cool. He is now the big bad villain now that Itachi and Orochimaru (though who knows if that is still permanent) are both out of the picture. What better time to show him off then when he's put him in a dark room for the last month.
Good points.
Greg, you might as well ignore Jinbei. He's probably just here for the laughs.
Im here for both.
Shao Khan: Mhehehaha. Greg Wins!
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Jinbei, as I've made you my bitch on this topic, if you'd like me to respond to any more of your posts on this topic you must post the following in an unaltered and unquoted format. I will then be free to use said post at my discretion.
"Dear members of Arlong Park, Greg has completely blown me, Jinbei, away and made me his bitch with his awesome points that completely blew all of mine out of the water in the Naruto Discussion Thread. I should never have attempted to discuss the topic with him because he knows how to form an argument much better than I do and this post is the penalty for having wasted my time trying to stand before his superior arguments. I, Jinbei, am your bitch Greg."
Oh, LMFAO! LOL
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Jinbei, just walk away. Ok?
When's Miracles coming back? He at least had invested interest in this.
This argument is annoying. lol….no offense to both of you guys. Its like one big circle.
I enjoyed the chapter. Some of us know Kishie can draw very well, but to give a nudge to Jimbei some people in the past sad he cant draw well. And there were arguments in the past about this. I mentioned his art books have wonderful art in them and when I should these people pictures they thought it was some fan art.
Kishie has the TALENT but he just doesnt care most of the time. I cant be mad at him for that, he wants to enjoy life then bleeding his heart into a sketch or a story.
I dont hold it against him. It just makes me appreciate others who do sweat and bleed for their manga.
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Jinbei, just walk away. Ok?
When's Miracles coming back? He at least had invested interest in this.
Oh but I do, Greg saying Kish don't have anymore love in his work coz of the Covers. While I have been able to post Kish and his epic shot from last weeks chapter. Then Greg goes on to say he wants to see that all the time, and labels kish as guy who just don't give a f**k anymore, while I think its unfair to do so. As I explained to you a few posts ago The Thing is we really don't know the conditions Kish is working under. If Greg thinks thats how Kish is then fine that his opinion, but its not the truth about Kish like he says it is, coz if it where, we would not have had that epic shot last weeks chapter and a good overall chapter.
Thats my point.
Then Greg goes on to say he wants to see that all the time, and labels kish as guy who just don't give a f**k anymore, while I think its unfair to do so. As I explained to you a few posts ago. If Greg thinks thats how Kish is then fine that his opinion, but its not the truth about Kish like he says it is, coz if it where, we would not have had that epic shoot last weeks chapter.
Well its just opinion, there is no fact because the only person who knows is Kishie himself.
But it does seem like Kishie doesnt care about his art at times. Yeah that spread was nice, but we can tell he doesnt put the same effort in other chapters.
yeah im here
Oh but I do, Greg saying Kish don't have anymore love in his work coz of the Covers. While I have been able to post Kish and his epic shoot from last weeks chapter. Then Greg goes on to say he wants to see that all the time, and labels kish as guy who just don't give a f**k anymore, while I think its unfair to do so. As I explained to you a few posts ago The Thing is we really don't know the conditions Kish is working under. If Greg thinks thats how Kish is then fine that his opinion, but its not the truth about Kish like he says it is, coz if it where, we would not have had that epic shot last weeks chapter and a good overall chapter.
Bah, one spread page doesn't rectify anything. It could have been demanded from him by his editor, "stop making crappy frames and give us something good to post." Stop treating that shot like it's the bloody cure for cancer, at best it's a single session of chemo.
Same goes for this point about "Kishimoto's working conditions". You don't know jack about his work conditions either. For all we know he has all the free time in the world and enjoys eating plastic ice cream scoops rather then draw comics.
These points you're making only seem to impress you, maybe why you like reusing them so much. They mean nothing.
This argument is annoying. lol….no offense to both of you guys. Its like one big circle.
Yeah that's exactly my point. Don't worry man. Now that I've made Jinbei my bitch and he won't admit it, he's reduced to the likes of Lobolover, ie. members whose posts I will read but won't respond to because they simply aren't worthy of one. It's all done on that front.
Why is Naruto not as good as it used to be? Hrm, I wonder. I'm going to give this a much longer and more thoughtful response than should probably bother with.
Once upon a time, in the first half of the series, Naruto suceeded on many levels.
1. Sure it had the gatuitous training arcs, but it was paced well and those were rewarding, Naruto finally pulling off the Rasengan after practicing it so long at a desperate moment was satisfying.
2. It balanced about two dozen characters, giving them all unique abilities, regular screen time, and different personalities.
3. There was a little romance, a little fighting, a little intrigue, a little fanservice, and generally, any given chapter would unveil a little bit more about the world and the characters. A good balance.
4. The fights were well done. Even the 5-10 chapter fight scenes tendd to have a fair ammount of variety and surprises, and there was actual planning involved. A fight might have a setup done at the start of it (Naruto makes a hole in the ground in a much earlier fight, which Shikimaru then capitilizes on, for instance). To this day, the Rock Lee/Gaara fight is still incredibly epic to go through. The balance and back and forth there was amazing.
5. The series was almost all consistently very well drawn.
6. There was a certain ammount of intrigue, and it seemed like there was a greater plan and story in motion. Orochimaru was scheming, Kibito was sceheming, there was an alliance between Orochi and the sand village, there was a team of super elite badasses out and about in the world… there was stuff going on and it all seemed to have a goal.
7. Everyone had techniques, but they were still ninja-ish. They were all kids training and growing up and changing and working together, all getting about equal development time. They all got better as the series progressed and formed stronger bonds. A story point of emphasis was that with hard work and training, you could suceed at your dreams.
Theres more, but all in all, it WAS a good series. Now, those points have all fallen to nothing.
1. The series still has gratuitous training arcs. Except, there was a time jump, that SHOULD have counted as a training arc. At the end of it, the entire cast seemed pretty much exactly the same. Wheras before had the satisfaction of Naruto pulling off Rasengan, in THIS half of the series, we gfet an experianced adult saying "Wait till you see how much more incredible Naruto has become." Followed by him falling flat on his face. And then beating the enemy with the exact same trick.
2. The two dozen side characters have fallen off the radar. Sasuke and one villain at a time have been the only focuses for nearly two years now. Even the TITLE character Naruto only appears maybe once every 6 chapters for a handful of panels. Let alone Kiba, Hinata, Rock Lee, Choji, etc. The side cast that was once balanced so well, while making occassional appearances, has not shown up much at all. Most of them didn't even have their new designs revealed until 80 chapters into the new arc. Its well and good to spend a few chapters focusing exclusivley on one character, but when ALL the others are ignored as a result, for hundreds of chapters, that were one balanced so well, its annoying. Even Saske, who is CLEARLY the lead character at this point, even HIS team is getting shafted. We haven't seen Team Snake in how long now? After spending like 10 chapters assembling them? (no great loss, but if the main character's own team has fallen to the wayside...)
3. As the series has shifted into focusing on Sasuke, the balance of romance,fighting, intrigue, fanservice, and generally, any given chapter unveiling a little bit more about the world and the characters has fallen apart. The series is almost entirely fighting, and then characters standing there talking. Not even recently, as far back as Naruto looking for Saske, entire chapters were spent just walking and eating ramen. "Developments" that earlier in the series, would have been handled in three panels. Also, the humor that used to be prevelant, but actually kind of funny, has degraded. Jiraiya's bickering old frog couple is just one example. The cuteness of Hinata shyly encouraging naruto and being encouraged in return, or the rivalry between Sakura and Ino, are little character defining things that no longer really occur, between ANY characters.
4. The fights are not as thought out as they were. Itachi and Saske doing FAKE moves while standing still for 10 chapters is just the latest example. As far back as Sakura and Old Lady fighting doll guy, it was like 10 chapters of very repetitive back and forth, just doing the same thing over and over again. And some of the fights that side characters (who as previously noted are getting shafterd) are skipped entirely! Plus, a bunch of 14 year olds are going around slaughtering THE GREATEST NINJAS IN THE WORLD, in one on one fights. In incredibly stupid ways generally. Naruto kills a guy by using the same exact run straight on trick twice in a row. Orochimaru, after having an epic fight with Naruto, dies in a staring contest with Sake. Pein's sidekick is beaten in one panel hen Juraiya SPITS on her, after being set up for an entire chapter. Jiraiya, one of the three supposed greatest ninja alive, has an incredibly dull fight to the death, full of moves we had already seen many times, accompanied by unfunny frogs.
5. The art is NOT consistently well drawn, and is most often, lousy. Every once and again, Kishimoto wil do a really spectacular shot that proves he can do it still, but then the rest of the time is incredibly lackluster. Entire chapters of head shots with no shading or variation in pose are incredibly dull in both composition and actual artistic rendering.
6. The intrigue is gone. The most recent chapters have revealed crucial surprise plot twists that the entire series has hinged around, that have been neither really surprising or interesting. Naruto is actually the son of the fourth hokage and there was a plan all along to give him super Kyuubi powers? Itachi wasn't actually evil but doing it for everyones good because a different member of his clan was being evil. Pein is fueled by the worlds anger! These developments and twists all pale compared to the Orochimaru/Sand Village conspiracy to overthrow the Leaf, the dychonomy of Gaara's monster demon inside him compared to Naruto's, or even Orochimaru's scheme to get Sasuke.
7. Even after three years of training, everyone is still on pretty much the same level. Naruto has, after a time ump and another trianing arc that ONLY he could do (100 clones training at once) has managed to come up with a Kyuubi form he already had that he can't control, and a stronger variation of the Rasengaan he already had that he can't control. (Really, is having three bodies make a fireball more interesting that two?) As for everyone else, well, we haven't seen any of them in acton, so its hard to tell. The idea that was once there however, that with hard work and training, you could suceed at your dreams, has fallen apart. Rock Lee is very lkely NEVER going to win an on camera in the manga fight, since he has no curse seal/magic eyeball/monster demon inside of him. Even Lee is actually a bad example because he has gates and drunken mode. There seems to be no forward progression for anybody despite massive ammounts of time and training arcs having passed.
8. And just because it still bears pointing out, Choji took a suicide pill, foughht to his death in a noble battle and got great death symbolism including butterflies and whatnot, stayed dead for like 4 volumes of material, anf then lived.
And thats far far too much writing, considering those that agree will just go "Yeah", and those that are blind will go "I think its good despite that" without actually countering anything I just said.
