@Cap'n:
_I'M SENDING YOU TWO TO MY DUNGEON IN THE DIGITAL WORLD
How could you.. just imprison them like that….?!_
That too, but they got better with death later. (starting with the fate of Osamu/Sam)
Saving "American" Shonen Jump
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Y'know, Negima WAS awesome…
For the first 18 volumes.
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I remember in one scene there was a letter in Japanese and they were like "HEY it's in DIGICODE!!!!!!"
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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@Cap'n:
I remember in one scene there was a letter in Japanese and they were like "HEY it's in DIGICODE!!!!!!"
Admittidly, Adventures was probably the worst when it came to some of the inconsistencies but at least they got better later on.
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@Cap'n:
Digimon was well written? Wow. I have no idea if you've seen any of the episodes since the 90's, or if your tastes are just abysmal. I've recently watched several episodes of Adventure 01 dubbed, and goddamn. It was pretty bad.
I haven't forgot how I first felt when watching Digimon, and though there were a ton of annoying and confusing inconsistencies, I adored the quirkly dialogue, puns and all. Speed Racer's fast as heck dubbing was emulated somewhat in Digimon and that was somewhat appealing to me.
Then again, I have gone back and watched season I and found it lame, but I also remember seeing Disney's remake of Homeward Bound and laughing my arse off for a good two years, after which I thought, "this is pretty dumb…".
I'd say it's a maturation of taste - a lot of the stuff children would find funny I don't find funny now, so I wouldn't be able to right something funny for children if my life depended on it since it's almost a lost art to me.
I think that about sums it up.
I've emailed that webmaster in the past, I think. >.>;
I admit I only saw the english version and I loved it, but all the heart of the cards stuff? All the shadow realm stuff? You can't seriously believe that it wasn't as bad as One Piece's dub. Yes I know in the Japanese version Atem preaches the Shin no Duelist concept but he doesn't do it all the time the way dub Atem does with the heart of the cards. Plus the whole shadow realm concept was as bad as "another dimension."
I don't understand what you're defining as "bad". In my view anything that's entertaining is always good, and I don't find Japan's "serious" shounen formula very entertaining at all. That's why I hate the Toei OP anime - it's too serious for its own good.
Entertainment >>> Accuracy, always. When they're congruent, that's well and good, but that's not always the case for kid shows that aren't really focused around being deep anyway.
Yugioh's dub wasn't like Naruto where it would only be the otaku's who care as you claim. Sure Yugioh was treated better than say… CCS but I wouldn't say the quality of the dub was great. Heck as far as I know people believe Shaman King wasthe only non-pokemon dub that was decent and even that had it's share of problems... like "Zeke" for instance.
Again, see above. I don't care about accuracy so long as I'm entertained - there's no way I could ever like Zyuranger more than Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, for example.
The Narutards with their dub are so rabid over interpretation, they've gone beyond actually following the series because they like it and follow it because…well, I don't understand religious fanatics. They need a purpose, perhaps?
Eh never saw TMM either, but I've heard the complaints that have come from the fans about it and knowing 4kids it's probably no surprise that most of those complaints are true.
It's a paedo show - we likely can disregard those complaints.
Eh I think Naruto is far more weeaboo than Pokemon, but that's just my opinion. Besides I have to admit I like some of the Japanese voice actors from pokemon. Though I'll always like the english one's just as much.
I agree on the Naruto bit.
Well I'd say FUNi's version of YYH and DBZ were better than anything Geneon's pumped out. Even with the lack of experience they still were able to pull off a dub that did draw in a lot of people. I know we have our own opinions on who should voice who, but for someone who watched the english version first that point is rather negated I would think. Besides for YYH and DBZ what would you call perfect casting? I believe they did fine with the resources they had at the time. Plus even YYH's dub is considered Higher Quality than DBZ's and I still think that's because FUNi had to work around Ocean's version of DBZ first.
Geneon's dubs are horrible because Bang Zoom! Entertainment focuses their dubs around weeaboo tastes. Great actors are put to mis-use to provide some of the most god-awful dubbing ever - they've forsaken actual coherence and entertainment value for the sake of accuracy so as not to piss off the internet otaku who would blog to death any deviances from the norm.
That's one of the reasons I respect FUNimation and 4Kids - they're basically a "fudge you" company to the fans, unlike Bandai and Geneon. Sometimes that approach works, sometimes it doesn't.
I'll admit though in the Adventure series I didn't mind the puns too much. My only problem was how they decided to turn Davis into a complete jerk when he wasn't like that at all either. Then again I've only seen a couple episodes of 02 and looked at a couple fanstes to figure this out. When I started watching Digimon it was the dub of 02 and I actually thought Davis was cool and then I learned that the dubbers had decided to make him the butt of everyone's joke. So it's no wonder why most of the english Digimon fanbase hates Davis, but I guess that's just all opinions though I suppose.
'02 was a travesty even before it got dubbed.
Breaking my argument down. All I'm saying is FUNi's dubs aren't that bad and people arer getting all worked up about it just because One Piece isn't in Viz's hands. I'm just saying that even in Viz's hands the dub wouldn't be getting as much attention as Naruto's. Nor the same amount of treatment. I just think it's stupid to say that One Piece's chances of having a good dub are ruined just because FUNi's taken over.
I've never said that, just that the dub isn't anything to get worked up over. Right now the guns are blazing in the anime forum day and night and all that does is culture a hivemind that is bound to be disappointed in SOME WAY, no matter how small.
Overall my point with Zatch Bell was that if Viz had gotten One Piece who's to say One Piece would have gotten a Naruto quality dub? If anything it probably would have gotten about the same treatment as Zatch Bell where it would still get a Y-7 rating at the most and still would have gotten shafted in favor of Viz's current cash cow. At least we have that chance with FUNi where they can make One Piece into a cash cow to rival Naruto. After all they did it with DBZ even if it did have a LQ dub so I can't see why they can't do it with a HQ One Piece dub.
OP would have gotten a ZB style dub, and I hope the show never becomes a cash-cow thank you very much. The last thing we need is tied-and-true OP fans having to say "set fail for One Piece" in our own forum due to the increase of trolls and tardism.
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I've emailed that webmaster in the past, I think. >.>;
I wouldn't know but I thought it was worth bringing up.
I don't understand what you're defining as "bad". In my view anything that's entertaining is always good, and I don't find Japan's "serious" shounen formula very entertaining at all. That's why I hate the Toei OP anime - it's too serious for its own good.
Entertainment >>> Accuracy, always. When they're congruent, that's well and good, but that's not always the case for kid shows that aren't really focused around being deep anyway.
Heavy, meaningless, and un-necessary editing? Maybe making up ridiculous names for death like "the shadow realm?" Blank signs instead of just translating the Japanese characters to english on them? Changing some of the names of characters for no real reason such as Zeke or Trace. Trying to pass off rice balls as doughnuts or cookies? Adding in stupid accents or "teen lingo." Basically a lot of what 4kids has donw with their anime's is what I would deem bad.
I'm all for the entertainment > accuracy thing but there's got to be a line drawn somewhere. After all these shows are marketed to kids in Japan and when we were kids we were watching pretty questionable content as well. So I can't see how there can't be a balance of both entertainment and accuracy instead of just trying to please the over protective parents who make their kids live at home until they're 50.
I'm not trying to be elitist or an otaku here. I know not every anime is TEH AWESOMEST THING EVAR!111 Still a lot of anime when it is brought state side is dumbed down in the editing process and in a way that can make it less entertaining and presentable. At least if they were to make it as accurate as possible it might appeal to all ages.
Again, see above. I don't care about accuracy so long as I'm entertained - there's no way I could ever like Zyuranger more than Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, for example.
The Narutards with their dub are so rabid over interpretation, they've gone beyond actually following the series because they like it and follow it because…well, I don't understand religious fanatics. They need a purpose, perhaps?
Depends really. Power Rangers is still entertaining, but if I watched Zyuranger and I liked the story better, I would still be entertained by Power Rangers, but I would feel that Zyuranger was better in the story department.
Though I admit I find the 80's TMNT a lot more entertaining than the remake, but that's just because of both nostalgia and because I just don't care for what is considered to be a "deeper and more accurate version of the comics." Maybe that's because I never read the comics, but if I had maybe I'd appreciate the accuracy a little more.
As for the Naruto thing I do agree with you on that. I mean not even the Haruhi fanbase with it's Haruhism is THAT rabid. The Naruto fanbase is just insane though to the point where they obviously think Naruto is the greatest piece of fiction to ever exist. Personally I don't see why they think that… Then again I don't see why people think Avatar is the pinnicle of American animation when I never really cared for it.
It's a paedo show - we likely can disregard those complaints.
Guess so… All magical girl shows are the same anyways.
I agree on the Naruto bit.
It's hard not too…
Geneon's dubs are horrible because Bang Zoom! Entertainment focuses their dubs around weeaboo tastes. Great actors are put to mis-use to provide some of the most god-awful dubbing ever - they've forsaken actual coherence and entertainment value for the sake of accuracy so as not to piss off the internet otaku who would blog to death any deviances from the norm.
That's one of the reasons I respect FUNimation and 4Kids - they're basically a "fudge you" company to the fans, unlike Bandai and Geneon. Sometimes that approach works, sometimes it doesn't.
Well for me I just watched the Higurashi dub and the VAing in it was horrible. It's probably the only time since the One Piece dub where I'd prefer the Japanese voices to the english one's. I mean the voices were just ear grating awful. I mean I would say that this
Is almost Bible Black bad considering I can't think of any mainstream dub to compare it too.
I wouldn't say FUNi is a "fudge you" company though considering they actually go through the trouble of making uncut DVD's and such it does show… again... that they do care about the fans. Even if you don't believe that. I can't say the same for 4kids. I believe 4kids thinks anything that comes out of Japan is for preschoolers. Still I respect FUNi for the things that they DO to please both otaku fans and non-otaku fans. To me that makes them a great company.
As far as Bandai I think they did the .hack series right? I actually liked the voices in that... or was that just project .hack's staff? Not sure which...
'02 was a travesty even before it got dubbed.
I liked it more than 01. I swear the series turned me off until 02 came around. I just couldn't stand watching 01.
I've never said that, just that the dub isn't anything to get worked up over. Right now the guns are blazing in the anime forum day and night and all that does is culture a hivemind that is bound to be disappointed in SOME WAY, no matter how small.
Well okay then and I agree with you. Not everyone's going to be happy, but at least with FUNi under control we're guaranteed to have a better dub than we were given previously. Personally I wanted FUNi to get it from the beginning.
OP would have gotten a ZB style dub, and I hope the show never becomes a cash-cow thank you very much. The last thing we need is tied-and-true OP fans having to say "set fail for One Piece" in our own forum due to the increase of trolls and tardism.
I doubt we'd get as many trolls and tards though considering many people are turned off by the art style. Still I would think One Piece being a cash cow would be good in some ways. After all the more of a cash cow it is the more merchandise that's brought over like the games and such. Maybe even the graphic novels might get an increase in sales thus putting out faster releases. Just because Naruto got tons of trolls and tards doesn't mean we will. I mean it was expected that the Naruto series would bring in the trolls after all. The One Piece fandom has never really been that bad.
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I have one question for Terek or Aethos: what's a 'weeaboo'?
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Another term for wannabe Japanese freaks, "otaku," etc. etc.
This little discussion is way too tldr, however.
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YGO a bad dub? Hardly, it was great
Eherm, sorry, but no. YGO had a terrible dub.
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…...I guess I missed the part about this being about Saving "American" SJ.
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Wow, the magazine must be doing really horribly if you need 666 Satan to save it.
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I'm sure American Shonen Jump's profits will soar once you add in all the money from mothers that will buy their child a magazine advertising 666 SATAN on the cover.
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I have one question for Terek or Aethos: what's a 'weeaboo'?
For instance Viz services to weeaboo's by placing subtitles during the dub opening version of GO!
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For instance Viz services to weeaboo's by placing subtitles during the dub opening version of GO!
I think you have it backwards. The weeaboo's wouldn't want English subtitles because it makes it less Japanese.
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Yeah I have no idea how including subtitles for a Japanese intro is a bad thing.
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Heavy, meaningless, and un-necessary editing? Maybe making up ridiculous names for death like "the shadow realm?" Blank signs instead of just translating the Japanese characters to english on them? Changing some of the names of characters for no real reason such as Zeke or Trace. Trying to pass off rice balls as doughnuts or cookies? Adding in stupid accents or "teen lingo." Basically a lot of what 4kids has donw with their anime's is what I would deem bad.
It's easy to go look at something like Robotech and go "LOL HACK JOB", but keep in mind that was a different era and 4Kids was the second most successful company coming out of that era, right behind Saban. Of course they're behind the times, unlike VIZ Media, Bandai or Geneon they didn't have to rely on weeaboo to keep them alive.
A lot of the stuff you mentioned doesn't bother me at all, and in fact the Japanese dubs bother me a lot for being too serious, since card games and piracy are very serious business afterall.
And also, please stop bringing the OP dub into this. It's the only dub of 4Kids that is both butchered AND horrible, by no measure it is the standard. Just because you feel bad about one dub doesn't mean you should spray-paint the entire company's library as terrible.
Heck, if that was the case, Disney must be one of the most hated companies on the planet. Wait, it is. People really need to grow up. >__>;
I'm all for the entertainment > accuracy thing but there's got to be a line drawn somewhere. After all these shows are marketed to kids in Japan and when we were kids we were watching pretty questionable content as well. So I can't see how there can't be a balance of both entertainment and accuracy instead of just trying to please the over protective parents who make their kids live at home until they're 50.
I disagree. So long as something is very entertaining accuracy might as well be non-existant - just look at the famous Samurai Pizza Cats (never saw it). People argue about author intent, but that's no different from taking the author's work and molding it to someone's own interpretation of how it should be shown - authors intended to have their work entertain people, so if it satisfies that purpose there's no dissonance.
I'm not trying to be elitist or an otaku here. I know not every anime is TEH AWESOMEST THING EVAR!111 Still a lot of anime when it is brought state side is dumbed down in the editing process and in a way that can make it less entertaining and presentable. At least if they were to make it as accurate as possible it might appeal to all ages.
"appealing to otaku" and "appealing to all ages" are contradictory points, it's very hard to do something like that ESPECIALLY with a kid's show. If the anime is dumbed down, it's dumbed down for a reason, like, oh, the cartoon wasn't meant for people over the age of twelve.
Depends really. Power Rangers is still entertaining, but if I watched Zyuranger and I liked the story better, I would still be entertained by Power Rangers, but I would feel that Zyuranger was better in the story department.
Zyuranger sucks. Period. So does the vast majority of Japanese live action shows - they're either boring or are punctuated by the stupid Japanese style narration and the liberal use of dumbarse cartoon sound effects to accentuate points, whether those points legitimately funny or just plain humiliating.
Power Rangers was so huge it got dubbed back into Japanese and aired on TV there - every season, in fact, plus movies.
I wouldn't say FUNi is a "fudge you" company though considering they actually go through the trouble of making uncut DVD's and such it does show… again... that they do care about the fans. Even if you don't believe that. I can't say the same for 4kids. I believe 4kids thinks anything that comes out of Japan is for preschoolers. Still I respect FUNi for the things that they DO to please both otaku fans and non-otaku fans. To me that makes them a great company.
A company that "cares about the fans" is one that releases stuff that isn't profitable, but there's a fanbase that wants it. Namely, ADV in the case of Princess Tutu.
FUNimation is just going where the money is - it's just a matter of convenience that a certain fanbase benefits from their efforts. If they cared about the fans like you say, they'd go out of their way to make people happy, even if it's disadvantageous to them.
I have one question for Terek or Aethos: what's a 'weeaboo'?
Wapanese. It's become too much of a cliche nowadays because of excessive use, but I still use it in the original sense, with great prejudice.
Example(s):
1. Usopp is my favourite character, but I know he isn't very popular.
= !weeaboo
2. zomg i ruv USOPPU he is my bishie and if u disagree ur a BAKA lol ^_~;;
= GTFO
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Just for a reference, putting subtitles for Japanese songs isn't weeaboo. Neither is demanding a pure track or a subbed one - it's neutral.
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FUNimation is just going where the money is - it's just a matter of convenience that a certain fanbase benefits from their efforts. If they cared about the fans like you say, they'd go out of their way to make people happy, even if it's disadvantageous to them.
All companies think that way, I kind of thought Inuyasha and Naruto were the same case. Seeing as how it was decided something like this: Inuyasha = Popular because of VIZ = Naruto = Popular becase of VIZ and will be even more overrated with all the Narutards who watch the dub or read US Shounen Jump.
2. zomg i ruv USOPPU he is my bishie and if u disagree ur a BAKA lol ^_~;;
= GTFO
3. ZOMG!11!!1 SESHY IS TEH ROXXORS AND SASUKE IS TEH SEXY AND OROCHIMARU CAN FUCK ME ANYTUIME, LOLZ!1!!!! GTFO TEH 4HAX!11
In my eyes, a more fitting example of the generic fangirl weeaboo that I see often in Narutofan or some Inuyasha forum.
Power Rangers was so huge it got dubbedback into Japanese and aired on TV there - every season, in fact, plus movies.
makes me wonder why even more weeaboo bitch about Power Rangers sucking ass, and Sentai kicking its nuts. It makes me wonder why, they dont even have any logical arguement to say Sentai >>> Power rangers. But yeah, Power Rangers was that huge, to be dubbed back into Japanese. I can imagine the same thing happening all over again when kamen Rider Dragon Knight comes out in 2008 but meh, that's Tokusatsu (Live action Japanese action TV show) -_-
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Speaking of 666 Satan, how is that manga? Seems a bit lame and hokey, but haven't really looked at anything specific.
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I heard 666 was decent. I'm anxious to check it out when the anime debuts. But I won't lie, I mostly curious to see what Kishi's brother is capable of. It'd be neat if the Kishi were both on top so speak.
Brawl FC: 3823 8204 8139
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Just thought it would be hilarious if Kishimoto's less-famous brother happened to have a manga better than Shitruto.
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From what I've seen it's incredibly run-of-the-mill.
There's also allegations of him copying his brother, but that comes with the job.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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@Cap'n:
There's also allegations of him copying his brother, but that comes with the job.
Yeah, read about that. Some of the comparisons were vague as fuck.
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I read some of it. I found it to be a cliche as hell version of Dragonball crossed with Naruto.
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Naruto is Viz's baby. It doesn't matter if any truely good series come like Death Note, they'll just make sure it's limited. Give it an OK but timeslot that doesn't take away from Naruto's ratings, try to focus on getting the best possible voice actors for Naruto while leaving other series to have somewhat ok acting and sub-par voice matching.
And it's pretty irritating. I'm serious, I'm going to punch the next little kid that mentions how cool Naruto is.
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People will definitely disagree with this, but part of Naruto's popularity in America is because it has ninja in it. If Naruto had a similar plot and the same characters, except they weren't ninja in any way, it wouldn't be as popular here.
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Naruto is Viz's baby. It doesn't matter if any truely good series come like Death Note, they'll just make sure it's limited. Give it an OK but timeslot that doesn't take away from Naruto's ratings, try to focus on getting the best possible voice actors for Naruto while leaving other series to have somewhat ok acting and sub-par voice matching.
And it's pretty irritating. I'm serious, I'm going to punch the next little kid that mentions how cool Naruto is.
Bleach disagrees with you.
Simple fact, anything that makes Viz or any other company alot of money, can and will be heavily milked and promoted. Doesn't matter if it's a series about a jar of mustard, if alot of people like it, you can be assured we'll see more of it.
No need to hate on Naruto for that. If there must be Naruto hate, let it be for the right reasons (oh say, the actual content in the series).
As for 666, I found this pick. Seems as if Dragonball plus Naruto would be an accurate description.
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Naruto is Viz's baby. It doesn't matter if any truely good series come like Death Note, they'll just make sure it's limited. Give it an OK but timeslot that doesn't take away from Naruto's ratings, try to focus on getting the best possible voice actors for Naruto while leaving other series to have somewhat ok acting and sub-par voice matching.
And it's pretty irritating. I'm serious, I'm going to punch the next little kid that mentions how cool Naruto is.
Naruto's voice talent doesn't have anything to do with how popular it is, it has to do with how good the talent in LA is. Though yeah, the problem is when they send series like Death Note to be dubbed in Canada. But that's completely independent of Naruto. You're just looking for a scapegoat.
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On the subject of 666. I found it to by way more Dragonball then naruto.
In volume 4, Jio and Ball had to catch
Bubblesthis guys dog while he was fixing on Jio's Opart or whatever. Also Jio abd Ball thought that the dog was the guy they needed to see at first too.How can people not see that and yell, but yet Slam dunk was sued for having similar basketball card poses?
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@Cyringohn:
People will definitely disagree with this, but part of Naruto's popularity in America is because it has ninja in it. If Naruto had a similar plot and the same characters, except they weren't ninja in any way, it wouldn't be as popular here.
I agree actually.
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It's easy to go look at something like Robotech and go "LOL HACK JOB", but keep in mind that was a different era and 4Kids was the second most successful company coming out of that era, right behind Saban. Of course they're behind the times, unlike VIZ Media, Bandai or Geneon they didn't have to rely on weeaboo to keep them alive.
True but it would be good to rely on people who would actually invest in the merchandise then try to pass it off for five year olds. One Piece is in my view the kind of series that has to be somewhat marketed towards the fans while bringing new people into the series as well. 4kids failed hard at that. I'm agreeing with you on the weeaboo thing but I still think it's necessary to at least market somewhat towards the existing fanbase.
The problem with Naruto is that it goes overboard in marketing towards the fanbase which draws in the weeaboo crowds, and really the only thing bringing new people into the series is the TV-PG rating not to mention the word ninja. After all Naruto fans will claim they're "mature" for watching Naruto after all. Like they think Naruto is about as mature as anything on Adult Swim.
A lot of the stuff you mentioned doesn't bother me at all, and in fact the Japanese dubs bother me a lot for being too serious, since card games and piracy are very serious business afterall.
I know but it's still groan inducing. I mean from what I remember the shadow realm had a beach and a shopping mall. How the heck is that threatening?
And also, please stop bringing the OP dub into this. It's the only dub of 4Kids that is both butchered AND horrible, by no measure it is the standard. Just because you feel bad about one dub doesn't mean you should spray-paint the entire company's library as terrible.
The only dub of 4kids that I think wasn't butchered was pokemon.
Heck, if that was the case, Disney must be one of the most hated companies on the planet. Wait, it is. People really need to grow up. >__>;
Well of course it is. Though the insane amount of KH fans keep it afloat.
I disagree. So long as something is very entertaining accuracy might as well be non-existant - just look at the famous Samurai Pizza Cats (never saw it). People argue about author intent, but that's no different from taking the author's work and molding it to someone's own interpretation of how it should be shown - authors intended to have their work entertain people, so if it satisfies that purpose there's no dissonance.
I'll agree on samurai pizza cats, but the only reason they had to make it that way was because they never had the scripts in the first place so they had to make their own. It's kind of hard to be accurate when you don't have to make up your scripts.
As a writer or an artist would you really want someone to butcher your hard work? I know I wouldn't and there are people out there who feel the same. if I remember there were a few issues like that too. Heck just look at how the french creator of Arsene Lupin's family dealt with Japan's Lupin III. Though that's probably more copyright than artist integrity.
"appealing to otaku" and "appealing to all ages" are contradictory points, it's very hard to do something like that ESPECIALLY with a kid's show. If the anime is dumbed down, it's dumbed down for a reason, like, oh, the cartoon wasn't meant for people over the age of twelve.
or because "LAWL cartoons are only for kids!"
I don't see why a cartoon like One Piece can't appeal to all ages it seems to have a good job doing that in Japan as well as here considering most of One Piece's fanbase is over 18.
Zyuranger sucks. Period. So does the vast majority of Japanese live action shows - they're either boring or are punctuated by the stupid Japanese style narration and the liberal use of dumbarse cartoon sound effects to accentuate points, whether those points legitimately funny or just plain humiliating.
Power Rangers was so huge it got dubbed back into Japanese and aired on TV there - every season, in fact, plus movies.
Well I wouldn't know. Personally I would think anything live action sucks.
I will admit though that power rangers was cool up until lost galaxy.
A company that "cares about the fans" is one that releases stuff that isn't profitable, but there's a fanbase that wants it. Namely, ADV in the case of Princess Tutu.
FUNimation is just going where the money is - it's just a matter of convenience that a certain fanbase benefits from their efforts. If they cared about the fans like you say, they'd go out of their way to make people happy, even if it's disadvantageous to them.
The problem with that is how is One Piece profitable to FUNi considering it was a flop when 4kids had it? How are they going where the money is? If anything they are catering to the fans AND that is going to where the money is.
Which means that One Piece will achieve greater success by giving the fans some of what they want and in doing so the dub might be good enough to actually bring new people into the series instead of the series turning them off like it did when 4kids had hold of it.
So it sounds like they're trying to make people happy to me.
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The problem with Naruto is that it goes overboard in marketing towards the fanbase which draws in the weeaboo crowds, and really the only thing bringing new people into the series is the TV-PG rating not to mention the word ninja. After all Naruto fans will claim they're "mature" for watching Naruto after all. Like they think Naruto is about as mature as anything on Adult Swim.
Naruto fans will feel the stigma of that in a couple years.
Well of course it is. Though the insane amount of KH fans keep it afloat.
KH?
I'll agree on samurai pizza cats, but the only reason they had to make it that way was because they never had the scripts in the first place so they had to make their own. It's kind of hard to be accurate when you don't have to make up your scripts.
Even then, people would have preferred the new version of SPC to the original, which by all accounts was a pretty generic show.
As a writer or an artist would you really want someone to butcher your hard work? I know I wouldn't and there are people out there who feel the same. if I remember there were a few issues like that too. Heck just look at how the french creator of Arsene Lupin's family dealt with Japan's Lupin III. Though that's probably more copyright than artist integrity.
There are people who feel, "I'd rather not let my work get butchered rather than make a lot of money off of it" but those people aren't valuing entertainment, they value the literary significance of their work, which is arrogant to say the least. That distingushes "writers" from "entertainers", not necessarily in a good way.
Folks like Oda are entertainers - I doubt Oda wants to define his life by OP alone, but it seems like that's happening because he enjoys entertaining his readers and so hasn't stopped drawing manga. OP has plot holes, weird physics and the like, but up until recently he hasn't cared about catering to nerd tastes - whatever the people wanted, he provided.
I don't see why a cartoon like One Piece can't appeal to all ages it seems to have a good job doing that in Japan as well as here considering most of One Piece's fanbase is over 18.
Intent isn't the same as appeal - OP is intended for children but empirically it's gotten more attention from nerds and otaku in the ELC. In Japan OP is still largely a child's show so it continues to cater to children…but with its decline in viewer attendance I think the gearing toward niche societies is being felt in the manga. The growing fanservice is just the shark fin.
The problem with that is how is One Piece profitable to FUNi considering it was a flop when 4kids had it? How are they going where the money is? If anything they are catering to the fans AND that is going to where the money is.
Here's the secret: if 4Kids had released uncut OP DVDs, there's no way FUNimation would have licensed the title after it was dropped. Not a chance in heck. FUNimation's betting on the chance that 4Kids pissing off the internet otaku will generate enough interest in the title to earn high uncut DVD sales while FUNimation gets meagre residue sales from the dubbed, edited show on TV.
FUNimation's primary source of income will be the OP DVDs, not the merchandise since 4Kids already exhausted that route. Meaning, the OP DVDs will be expensive as heck, probably in excess of Haruhi. This includes the edited DVDs as well.
No one will be happy about paying $50+ for eight episodes of OP, even with "extras" (I shun to think about how pathetic and/or sparse Toei "extras" might be). This wasn't a show originally designed for DVD sales, it's more like a long commercial for merchandise…so it's quite an expensive, and in my opinion arsininely stubborn move.
Which means that One Piece will achieve greater success by giving the fans some of what they want and in doing so the dub might be good enough to actually bring new people into the series instead of the series turning them off like it did when 4kids had hold of it.
I think that's too optimistic - dubs attract nerds and kids, and kids are alredy turned off by OP's style. Not to say they don't come, just not en masse like YGO, PKMN or NRTO (too lazy to italicize those…) - that leaves the nerds. Unlike kids, nerds have a lot of tastes, so shove an expensive DVD in their face and they'll rank order what they want most, which usually means fanservice-y titles like Haruhi get first priority.
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FUNimation's primary source of income will be the OP DVDs, not the merchandise since 4Kids already exhausted that route. Meaning, the OP DVDs will be expensive as heck, probably in excess of Haruhi. This includes the edited DVDs as well.
I can bet if they're desperate enough, they'll probably be money grubbing to add in Official Soundtracks and official posters or any other merchendise in any "Special-Edition" release of their uncut DVD box sets.
No one will be happy about paying $50+ for eight episodes of OP, even with "extras" (I shun to think about how pathetic and/or sparse Toei "extras" might be). This wasn't a show originally designed for DVD sales, it's more like a long commercial for merchandise…so it's quite an expensive, and in my opinion arsininely stubborn move.
That's money and business for you. I dont even think Japan has these types of "Special" releases branded on them with a higher price for the sake of making more money. It already looks as if US Licensing are really taking more advantage of anime fanbases than what Japan usualy does.
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@Cyringohn:
Just thought it would be hilarious if Kishimoto's less-famous brother happened to have a manga better than Shitruto.
Nah, I would pick Naruto over 666 anytime and I don't even read Naruto. The thing is, first four volumes of Naruto were actually worth while. You know, for a shõnen. I can't say the same thing about 666. Now, I'm not saying it doesn't have it's merits, it's just that I must have missed those merits.
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FUNimation's primary source of income will be the OP DVDs, not the merchandise since 4Kids already exhausted that route. Meaning, the OP DVDs will be expensive as heck, probably in excess of Haruhi. This includes the edited DVDs as well.
No one will be happy about paying $50+ for eight episodes of OP, even with "extras" (I shun to think about how pathetic and/or sparse Toei "extras" might be). This wasn't a show originally designed for DVD sales, it's more like a long commercial for merchandise…so it's quite an expensive, and in my opinion arsininely stubborn move.
You obviously haven't been following any news regarding FUNi's OP release.
The uncuts are going to be in 13 episode blocks very much like Naruto's uncut release. And while $49.98 is the MSRP, that in no way reflects how much one would actually pay at a Best Buy or an online vendor.
Hell, I've bought the new DBZ season sets for approximately $15 less than the MSRP (Which is also $49.98 mind you). Really, price is the last thing we need to worry about.
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Tonfa, you forgot to mention that FUNimation also has stated that their edited TV dub will NEVER be released on DVD, EVER.
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@Cyringohn:
Speaking of 666 Satan, how is that manga? Seems a bit lame and hokey, but haven't really looked at anything specific.
I'd personally put above Naruto, though it's best points don't really compare to Naruto's (the first arc that is which is the only one I found truly good). Though it is a bit cliche, but same with most Shounen I've read at least.
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Tonfa, you forgot to mention that FUNimation also has stated that their edited TV dub will NEVER be released on DVD, EVER.
Wow, I guess it's weeaboo or bust now. o.O
You obviously haven't been following any news regarding FUNi's OP release.
Of course not. The only FUNimation related news I've seen in the last three months was the Navarre quarterly report.
The uncuts are going to be in 13 episode blocks very much like Naruto's uncut release. And while $49.98 is the MSRP, that in no way reflects how much one would actually pay at a Best Buy or an online vendor.
How much are Naruto's uncuts going for?
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How much are Naruto's uncuts going for?
The MSRP is $50. Best Buy is currently selling sets number 2 and 3 for about $43-$45, but you can pick up the first Box set for $35. Then theres the "Special Limited Edtion" ones which come with a headband and other merchandise which are roughly $15+ more.
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Might I add that I saw the first Naruto boxset for $25 at the local Wal-Mart.
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Naruto fans will feel the stigma of that in a couple years.
Oh of course. In a couple years it'll be cool to say how much naruto sucks. Just like how it is with DBZ these days.
KH?
Kingdom Hearts.
Even then, people would have preferred the new version of SPC to the original, which by all accounts was a pretty generic show.
Probably. I love SPC anyways even in it's current incarnation. It's one fo the few times where accuracy really does not matter after all as you said.
There are people who feel, "I'd rather not let my work get butchered rather than make a lot of money off of it" but those people aren't valuing entertainment, they value the literary significance of their work, which is arrogant to say the least. That distingushes "writers" from "entertainers", not necessarily in a good way.
I don't get how that's arrogant then because wouldn't writers want their work in it's original form because they feel their original work is what would entertain people? I mean classic literature is full these writers you deem to be arrogant yet their works are classic and they're remembered. So I think that literary significance can be a good thing.
Folks like Oda are entertainers - I doubt Oda wants to define his life by OP alone, but it seems like that's happening because he enjoys entertaining his readers and so hasn't stopped drawing manga. OP has plot holes, weird physics and the like, but up until recently he hasn't cared about catering to nerd tastes - whatever the people wanted, he provided.
Yeah but Oda also has some literary significance in him because he keeps the story true to the way he wants to write it. Still even with literary significance Oda is able to make his story entertaining so I would think One Piece is a little bit of both worlds there.
Intent isn't the same as appeal - OP is intended for children but empirically it's gotten more attention from nerds and otaku in the ELC. In Japan OP is still largely a child's show so it continues to cater to children…but with its decline in viewer attendance I think the gearing toward niche societies is being felt in the manga. The growing fanservice is just the shark fin.
But if I'm to understand correctly I've heard more than once that One Piece is loved by all ages in Japan. One Piece is in no way like Doraemon or the such that are primarily marketed towards kids. It is marketed towards pre-teens and teenagers, but Oda's work is capable of making someone of any age like it so I think there's a lot of appeal there.
and wellt he decline can be associated to it's present horrible timeslot. Naruto would probably have lost viewer attendance as well had it been moved to that same timeslot.
Here's the secret: if 4Kids had released uncut OP DVDs, there's no way FUNimation would have licensed the title after it was dropped. Not a chance in heck. FUNimation's betting on the chance that 4Kids pissing off the internet otaku will generate enough interest in the title to earn high uncut DVD sales while FUNimation gets meagre residue sales from the dubbed, edited show on TV.
Well then FUNi was pretty smart then considering 4kids would never put out uncut DVD's. Heck they didn't even put in an effort with Yugioh and Shaman King.
FUNimation's primary source of income will be the OP DVDs, not the merchandise since 4Kids already exhausted that route. Meaning, the OP DVDs will be expensive as heck, probably in excess of Haruhi. This includes the edited DVDs as well.
Why's that? FUNi probably makes more off the DBZ games than the actual anime at this point. I don't see how the One Piece DVD's would be FUNi's only source of income.
No one will be happy about paying $50+ for eight episodes of OP, even with "extras" (I shun to think about how pathetic and/or sparse Toei "extras" might be). This wasn't a show originally designed for DVD sales, it's more like a long commercial for merchandise…so it's quite an expensive, and in my opinion arsininely stubborn move.
Yet it'll definately work. Though since I only buy manga it doesn't really affect me.
I think that's too optimistic - dubs attract nerds and kids, and kids are alredy turned off by OP's style. Not to say they don't come, just not en masse like YGO, PKMN or NRTO (too lazy to italicize those…) - that leaves the nerds. Unlike kids, nerds have a lot of tastes, so shove an expensive DVD in their face and they'll rank order what they want most, which usually means fanservice-y titles like Haruhi get first priority.
Well I see nothing wrong with being optimistic until we see different. This isn't like when 4kids made promises they never kept. FUNi will actually deliver and so I can see kids getting into it and heck hopefully it'll de-zombify some of the NaruTards which is always a plus.
But man the word nerd get's thrown around a lot I see… Any particular reason why? I mean I doubt anyone here thinks they are nerds because they read manga.
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I don't get how that's arrogant then because wouldn't writers want their work in it's original form because they feel their original work is what would entertain people? I mean classic literature is full these writers you deem to be arrogant yet their works are classic and they're remembered. So I think that literary significance can be a good thing.
The intent in this case isn't to entertain, it's a form of self-expression. Which begs the question, "why publish this if you don't want people censoring or criticizing it"? To publish it and expect total reverence out of people is pure egocentrism, since those people are effectively trying to impose their "self expression" on other people.
Yeah but Oda also has some literary significance in him because he keeps the story true to the way he wants to write it. Still even with literary significance Oda is able to make his story entertaining so I would think One Piece is a little bit of both worlds there.
There is no literary significance in OP. It's not "deep" or anything like that - it's pulp, not meant to be taken too seriously.
But if I'm to understand correctly I've heard more than once that One Piece is loved by all ages in Japan. One Piece is in no way like Doraemon or the such that are primarily marketed towards kids. It is marketed towards pre-teens and teenagers, but Oda's work is capable of making someone of any age like it so I think there's a lot of appeal there.
I've heard Doraemon has a huge fanbase among older people because of the nostalgia factor - the show still hooks in kids but keeps a hold on the adults.
And, again, OP isn't anymore marketed toward adults than it is toward kids. It was moved to a child's timeslot for a reason - that's the demographic Toei and Oda MOST want to appeal to, but it's clear they are putting in stuff for the other folk as well.
…and wellt he decline can be associated to it's present horrible timeslot. Naruto would probably have lost viewer attendance as well had it been moved to that same timeslot.
I agree the slot is horrible (since OP is RUINING Gurren-Lagann's rep) but OP is getting great ratings right now, in no small part to it going through a generic fight at the peak of a long arse arc. Well, it was anyway, I think everyone's back at W7 by now.
Well then FUNi was pretty smart then considering 4kids would never put out uncut DVD's. Heck they didn't even put in an effort with Yugioh and Shaman King.
That's because they lose money on DVDs - shows like what 4Kids licenses have a larger overhead than normal anime.
Why's that? FUNi probably makes more off the DBZ games than the actual anime at this point. I don't see how the One Piece DVD's would be FUNi's only source of income.
Because who would publish that stuff? No retailer will carry OP merchandise from FUNimation since the stuff from 4Kids didn't sell, and no one will go and produce it either.
Video games maybe, except 4Kids published most of the OP games in existence right now, and it would be too early anyway to get any revenue from them because OP still has a horrible reputation.
Maybe in the future, but I doubt it if OP doesn't exceed DVD expectations.
Well I see nothing wrong with being optimistic until we see different. This isn't like when 4kids made promises they never kept. FUNi will actually deliver and so I can see kids getting into it and heck hopefully it'll de-zombify some of the NaruTards which is always a plus.
Because a lot of people had faith in 4Kids and that got shattered - it could easily happen with FUNimation too, since promises are very hollow. FUNimation will deliver, for certain, as so long as they can re-negotiate licensing fees after an empirical test I can say the whole OP series will be dubbed.
…but FUNimation is dealing with Toei, the oldest and most hubristic, huge, and backward anime company of all. These are the folks who pulled the plug on Sailor Moon, and they might do it with OP as well.
But man the word nerd get's thrown around a lot I see… Any particular reason why? I mean I doubt anyone here thinks they are nerds because they read manga
I hate using "otaku" because it's got those "soft" connotations, and calling everyone weeaboo is a bit too extreme. Nerd is the only neutral term I could come up with.
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The intent in this case isn't to entertain, it's a form of self-expression. Which begs the question, "why publish this if you don't want people censoring or criticizing it"? To publish it and expect total reverence out of people is pure egocentrism, since those people are effectively trying to impose their "self expression" on other people.
I guess that's true, but since everyone has a certain amount of egocentrism in them I never thought too deeply into it. However, I would doubt that classic literature and old artworks that are in museums and such are examples of egocentrism.
There is no literary significance in OP. It's not "deep" or anything like that - it's pulp, not meant to be taken too seriously.
Maybe so, but it still has the characteristics of a story and that has to mean there is some literary significance to it
I've heard Doraemon has a huge fanbase among older people because of the nostalgia factor - the show still hooks in kids but keeps a hold on the adults.
And, again, OP isn't anymore marketed toward adults than it is toward kids. It was moved to a child's timeslot for a reason - that's the demographic Toei and Oda MOST want to appeal to, but it's clear they are putting in stuff for the other folk as well.
If they wanted to appeal to kids the most then why didn't they have it in that time slot from the beginning? If anything they were doing fine at their old timeslot.
I agree the slot is horrible (since OP is RUINING Gurren-Lagann's rep) but OP is getting great ratings right now, in no small part to it going through a generic fight at the peak of a long arse arc. Well, it was anyway, I think everyone's back at W7 by now.
Yeah but in comparison it was doing better on it's prime time slot than it's current early morning slot.
That's because they lose money on DVDs - shows like what 4Kids licenses have a larger overhead than normal anime.
Not to mention 4kids is very well hated and thus loses money because they continuously screw up their own marketing campaign's. 4kids is losing more money from that then anything else I would think.
Because who would publish that stuff? No retailer will carry OP merchandise from FUNimation since the stuff from 4Kids didn't sell, and no one will go and produce it either.
Video games maybe, except 4Kids published most of the OP games in existence right now, and it would be too early anyway to get any revenue from them because OP still has a horrible reputation.
Maybe in the future, but I doubt it if OP doesn't exceed DVD expectations.
Well then maybe the DVD's are a stepping stone to more merchandise, but in no way would the DVD's be the only marketable thing FUNi would try to get money off of. Besides there's loads of One Piece games 4kids didn't bring out here yet so there's still hope for a good One Piece game.
Because a lot of people had faith in 4Kids and that got shattered - it could easily happen with FUNimation too, since promises are very hollow. FUNimation will deliver, for certain, as so long as they can re-negotiate licensing fees after an empirical test I can say the whole OP series will be dubbed.
I didn't trust 4kids for a second back then. I already knew that when 4kids got One Piece it was screwed and well let's face it lying to the fans and saying it would be as close to the original as possible didn't help once the Dub Piece rap aired.
…but FUNimation is dealing with Toei, the oldest and most hubristic, huge, and backward anime company of all. These are the folks who pulled the plug on Sailor Moon, and they might do it with OP as well.
Yeah but Sailor Moon was dubbed by DiC and that dub was horrible. It's probably no wonder they did pull the plug.
I hate using "otaku" because it's got those "soft" connotations, and calling everyone weeaboo is a bit too extreme. Nerd is the only neutral term I could come up with.
I'm just thinking that there has to be a better term than nerd out there… that's all...
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I guess that's true, but since everyone has a certain amount of egocentrism in them I never thought too deeply into it. However, I would doubt that classic literature and old artworks that are in museums and such are examples of egocentrism.
I'm only talking about the people who don't like their work criticized or object to censorship or translation because it diminishes their work somewhat. Those people do exist, although I can only think of one guy at the moment (Kinoko Nasu of TYPE-MOON).
If they wanted to appeal to kids the most then why didn't they have it in that time slot from the beginning? If anything they were doing fine at their old timeslot.
Because prime-time has more viewers, period. More people are watching TV at 8:00 PM than 8:00 AM.
Not to mention 4kids is very well hated and thus loses money because they continuously screw up their own marketing campaign's. 4kids is losing more money from that then anything else I would think.
I keep tabs on 4Kids - while they've lost money for four consecutive quarters, their profits right now are nearly than double what they were in 2002, and in 2004 + 2005 they were far higher. The company still makes a lot of money each year, just less in recent days.
Well then maybe the DVD's are a stepping stone to more merchandise, but in no way would the DVD's be the only marketable thing FUNi would try to get money off of. Besides there's loads of One Piece games 4kids didn't bring out here yet so there's still hope for a good One Piece game.
There won't be a card game and won't be toys, leaving just the DVDs and possibly more games where Bandai gets the lion's share of the profits.
I, however, do doubt the likelihood of a focus on games - if FUNimation won't even bother to release dubbed DVDs, it tells me they're really focused on the otaku crowd and I'm skeptical of otaku buying those OP games, which are really generic and poorly done. Except JSS.
Yeah but Sailor Moon was dubbed by DiC and that dub was horrible. It's probably no wonder they did pull the plug.
Sailor Moon's original dub (through the Dark Moon saga) was one of the best dubs in history. It managed to competently tell the story despite heavy censorship and was legendary for its memorability.
The new dub was pretty fail, but that doesn't explain why Toei withdrew the license. Embarassment, maybe?
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I'm only talking about the people who don't like their work criticized or object to censorship or translation because it diminishes their work somewhat. Those people do exist, although I can only think of one guy at the moment (Kinoko Nasu of TYPE-MOON).
Ah I see… but I see that more in the fanfiction writer than I do with writers who have published works.
Because prime-time has more viewers, period. More people are watching TV at 8:00 PM than 8:00 AM.
Then as I said leaving it at prime time would have been better. No one is going to wake up at 8 in the morning just to watch a TV show. I doubt even American kids do that on Saturdays anymore.
I keep tabs on 4Kids - while they've lost money for four consecutive quarters, their profits right now are nearly than double what they were in 2002, and in 2004 + 2005 they were far higher. The company still makes a lot of money each year, just less in recent days.
Well that's because the only REAL marketable property they have left is Yugioh GX. Once that's gone they'll have nothing left and probably go bankrupt. Heck even the TMNT 2K3 fans aren't pleased with them.
There won't be a card game and won't be toys, leaving just the DVDs and possibly more games where Bandai gets the lion's share of the profits.
I, however, do doubt the likelihood of a focus on games - if FUNimation won't even bother to release dubbed DVDs, it tells me they're really focused on the otaku crowd and I'm skeptical of otaku buying those OP games, which are really generic and poorly done. Except JSS.
Like it matters anime-based card games suck except for Yugioh.
The toys could be possible though so don't totally leave those out.
Secondly why do they have to release dub DVD's as well as uncut? When it's just easier to make the uncut DVD's and sell them. Heck even from the beginning they sold DBZ uncut. They never sold dub copies. You can even look on the VHS copies of DBZ and it'll say it's uncut.
Besides I wouldn't mind seeing some of the current One Piece fighters and maybe Unlimited Adventure come out here and hey at least there won't be crazy edits like in Grand Battle.
Sailor Moon's original dub (through the Dark Moon saga) was one of the best dubs in history. It managed to competently tell the story despite heavy censorship and was legendary for its memorability.
The new dub was pretty fail, but that doesn't explain why Toei withdrew the license. Embarassment, maybe?
legendary for gender bending you mean. As well as having ear grating voices, but then again all magical girl anime is the same. It's basically like sentai so it's not too hard to tell the story of Sailor Moon with lots of censorship. At least SM got off easier than Card Captor Sakura.
As for why Toei gave it up. Maybe because it's just old and well most magical girl series are fail anyways.
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Then as I said leaving it at prime time would have been better. No one is going to wake up at 8 in the morning just to watch a TV show. I doubt even American kids do that on Saturdays anymore.
The Japanese are more religious with their hobbies than Americans…but saying that, while leaving OP on primetime might have been better for it, it wasn't better for FujiTV since they could have potentially put on a high-demand J-drama or gameshow and increase the value of the advertising slot during that time. That's why it was moved.
Well that's because the only REAL marketable property they have left is Yugioh GX. Once that's gone they'll have nothing left and probably go bankrupt. Heck even the TMNT 2K3 fans aren't pleased with them.
4Kids can't go bankrupt unless they can't pay their debts, and they have NO debts right now.
And I agree, 4Kids lacks marketable properties right now. Frankly, they should have gone for stuff like GaoGaiGar or Gash rather than something like OP.
Secondly why do they have to release dub DVD's as well as uncut? When it's just easier to make the uncut DVD's and sell them. Heck even from the beginning they sold DBZ uncut. They never sold dub copies. You can even look on the VHS copies of DBZ and it'll say it's uncut.
Because parents won't buy uncut DVDs for their kids, especially if they knew OP's content. The dubbed TV broadcast for Naruto is almost like a joke since so little is edited, but for OP it's very important.
As well as having ear grating voices…
Wow, you're spoiled. Go listen to the SR sample clips and tell me it's better than the original Sailor Moon dub.
but then again all magical girl anime is the same. It's basically like sentai so it's not too hard to tell the story of Sailor Moon with lots of censorship.
Sailor Moon = one of the parents of all modern shoujo, the other being Hana Yori Dango. SM was amazingly bold in an era where there was a lot of censorship - I only value stuff like Speed Racer, which had no edits I know of, more highly than SM's dub.
As for why Toei gave it up. Maybe because it's just old and well most magical girl series are fail anyways.
I hate Nanoha too you know, don't stereotype the whole genre based on one god-awful moepedo fap-fest.
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The Japanese are more religious with their hobbies than Americans…but saying that, while leaving OP on primetime might have been better for it, it wasn't better for FujiTV since they could have potentially put on a high-demand J-drama or gameshow and increase the value of the advertising slot during that time. That's why it was moved.
I can't argue with that logic so I guess you're right. Though a Japanese friend of mine showed me a couple of those J-drama's because she likes them and well… I just don't get the appeal. Maybe it's a girl thing or something... or maybe J-drama's are the equivalent of the cruddy soap operas run on American TV every day. I just think they're weird.
4Kids can't go bankrupt unless they can't pay their debts, and they have NO debts right now.
And I agree, 4Kids lacks marketable properties right now. Frankly, they should have gone for stuff like GaoGaiGar or Gash rather than something like OP.
Well they'll at least go belly up.
Too bad they didn't have Hello Kitty considering how popular that is among otaku… Still they could have gotten Doraemon or something if they really wanted to appeal to kids. I mean let's face it can you imagine them trying to market D-Gray Man?
Because parents won't buy uncut DVDs for their kids, especially if they knew OP's content. The dubbed TV broadcast for Naruto is almost like a joke since so little is edited, but for OP it's very important.
But One Piece's content is hardly any worse than Naruto's so I don't see where the problem lies. After all parents are buying uncut Naruto for their kids. I can see them buying uncut One Piece too.
Wow, you're spoiled. Go listen to the SR sample clips and tell me it's better than the original Sailor Moon dub.
Spoiled in what way? Also I did go and listen to them. I'll admit the only one's I liked were Eri and Yakumo's. Then again those were only clips. I think I should wait until it comes out before judging the voices fully.
Also nothing is worse than dub Usagi's voice. I mean even when she talked normally it made my ears bleed.
Sailor Moon = one of the parents of all modern shoujo, the other being Hana Yori Dango. SM was amazingly bold in an era where there was a lot of censorship - I only value stuff like Speed Racer, which had no edits I know of, more highly than SM's dub.
Speed Racer was funny… What about Voltron though? I doubt they edited Voltron THAT much.
and Sailor Moon was shoujo? I just thought it was the parent of magical girl series the way DBZ was the parent of the modern shounen. When I think of shoujo I think of stuff like Fushigi Yugi and Fruit Baskets.
I hate Nanoha too you know, don't stereotype the whole genre based on one god-awful moepedo fap-fest.
but aren't they all moepedo fap fests? I don't think I've seen a magical girl series that wasn't like that. In that way it's hard for me to not generalize it. Give me some titles of non-moepedo magical girl anime then and I'll concede.
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I'm not too familiar with the genre, but Full Moon wo Sagashite is the first thing that comes to mind. There's quite a few other Shoujo magical girl shows as well that would probably qualify.
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I'm not too familiar with the genre, but Full Moon wo Sagashite is the first thing that comes to mind. There's quite a few other Shoujo magical girl shows as well that would probably qualify.
My bad then I suppose. I mean all the one's I run into are close too PPG: Zetto, Pretty Cure, Tokyo Mew Mew, and Magical DoReMi that it's hard to not judge the genre in that sense. I figured it was usually the "loli girls in fanservice outfits fighting the tentacle monster of the day."
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Too bad they didn't have Hello Kitty considering how popular that is among otaku… Still they could have gotten Doraemon or something if they really wanted to appeal to kids. I mean let's face it can you imagine them trying to market D-Gray Man?
They want to attract boys, not kids in general. GaoGaiGar and Gash are ideal properties for them, especially GGG.
But One Piece's content is hardly any worse than Naruto's so I don't see where the problem lies. After all parents are buying uncut Naruto for their kids. I can see them buying uncut One Piece too.
It's not about content, it's about deception. Geneon chickened out on the whole appeal of Higurashi by trying to show that the title is dark, not try to surprise the fans about making it seem like a happy go lucky title that turns violent.
People have a natural fear and disgust of deception - parents are perfectly willing to buy Naruto knowing full well there's some rough-edged content. But OP looks like a kiddie show, so for some parent to watch the DVD and see it full of smoking, gore, and sex (the fanservice) is likely to anger a lot of people.
Spoiled in what way? Also I did go and listen to them. I'll admit the only one's I liked were Eri and Yakumo's. Then again those were only clips. I think I should wait until it comes out before judging the voices fully.
No, I think clips are a perfectly legit way to judge a dub. In fact, the actual product should be even less impressive than the clips, if Haruhi is to be a measure and Haruhi is supposed to have "the best" actors (though I disagree).
Speed Racer was funny… What about Voltron though? I doubt they edited Voltron THAT much.
I've forgotten Voltron, it's been too long since I saw it.
and Sailor Moon was shoujo? I just thought it was the parent of magical girl series the way DBZ was the parent of the modern shounen. When I think of shoujo I think of stuff like Fushigi Yugi and Fruit Baskets.
Hana Dan created the slice-of-life romance school drama setting seen in modern shoujo - it's descendants include Ouran and FB. Sailor Moon was the mother of modern magical girl shows and was the first to actually make them "magical" - Fushigi Yuugi and SM came out around the same time but FY conformed to SM's more successful formula. Cardcaptor Sakura and Tokyo Mew Mew are children of SM.
Those two titles basically took the floating ideas of '70s shoujo manga and created a solid formula out of them, just like how Hokuto and DBZ fathered modern shounen.
but aren't they all moepedo fap fests? I don't think I've seen a magical girl series that wasn't like that. In that way it's hard for me to not generalize it. Give me some titles of non-moepedo magical girl anime then and I'll concede.
Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura do not have fanservice in the modern sense - no panty shots, no arse shots, very little sexual innuendo or nudity scenes.
The "sex sells" movement in Japan is only a recent invention, starting to rise in prominence around 2002 (after Azumanga). Gainax was always liberal with their fanservice but they've traditionally worked against the grain.
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Quit replying to Aethos please this thread is ruined
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
