Only because someone is lazy doesn't mean that they won't do what they have to do. You'll find there are plenty of people who are lazy but are extremely smart/ strong whatever.
Shichibukai Discussion
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I don´t know why letting others do your work does actually make you less stronger then when you would do all by yourself. Did actually cross anybodies mind that people are maybe helping Moria because he´s totally fearsome and strong and you rather cooperate with him and follow his will instead of opposing him?
In an organisation like the WG where hierarchic structures aren´t necessarily based on strenght levels a guy like Spandam can be the superior of Rucchi. However outside of such organisations the strongest and most fearsome man is mostly the leader. And why should that leader not let others do the dirty work if he the manpower? Who would not act like that in this situation?
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Honestly Blackbeard doesn't seem to me like he is on the level of Whitebeard. He seems he's a few notches below them. For now.
In any case, the story line evolving around him is a major one and could even culminate in a bb vs. luffy battle for OP and payback. payback for the defeat of ace of course.
whitebeard isn't really a bad guy but he too wants to be pirate king so Oda has to get rid of him without actually putting him against luffy. That's why it's imo likely that wb will be somehow removed as a factor. A fight Blackbeard vs Whitebeard would be quite fitting to achieve that. Blackbeard doesn't even have to be stronger than WB in terms of raw power, he could simply cheat ;-)
Wouldn't that be much more satisfying than wb just dying of an heart attack :D ?
Well, that's why i believe, among the shichibukai, Blackbeard is of the highest importance and therefore the strongest.
Mihawk not beeing far behind of course but he simply isn't the evil that is blackbeard.
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C-c-c-combo breaker!
I know lots of people who are reall good at school but can't be arsed to do any work.
Such as me.
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@Sea:
Nowhere does it mention that Shanks is a swordsmen. It simply states that he rivaled Mihawk and has is very skilled with a blade, That's it.
Look at the bold, YOU answered your own question. A swordsman is someone SKILLED with a sword, and riviling Mihawk is the OBVIOUS!
Having a sword doesn't make you a swordsmen. . .
Nope, but being skilled with it does!
Besides a Sabre is a very generic weapon for a pirate, just like a cutlass. Also, your forgetting that Shanks is a very powerful pirate. So, I'm not surpirsed he's able to match a swordsmen with a average Sabre.
Wrong, "average Sabre?" No, it states in the Data book that sword's "SKILL/POWER is top-class in the world!"
Hell, even WhiteBeard could rival Mihawk if he picked up a cutlass.
Whitebeard ALREADY wields a blade!!! Shanks is a swordsman ALL the facts are on the table your theories don't compare.
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Ah shit no my eyes too much colour seizure happy tiems
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Superstar since that discussion already locked one thread could you take it with Sea king in PMs?
the rest of us has gotten kinda tired of it and noone is going to convince anyone else that they are right about that topic.
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Forget it superstar, don't waste your time.
They just don't understand to be skilled with a sword, you must train extremely hard. Most people here think you can just wake up one day and rival whitebeard, without training your swordsmanship.
Don't even PM the guy, it's just a waste of time.
Now I've got a question, how do you lot think gecko moria fights?
Can he actually fight on his own?
From what I've seen he just uses others to capture you and then steals your shadow. He's given me a very bad first impression, soI wouldn't mind knowing if someone has a pretty credible theory of how he would fight in a one on one.
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How much training is required to be an armchair expert on combat?
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Fine then. WHITEBEARD (I know it's you, don't deny it) and OiP, if you admit that Shanks is a Swordsman, then you admit Roger was a spear wielder, because according to your inane logic, a person MUST have the same weapon as their rival.
And for the record, show me EXACTLY where in One Piece that Shanks lost to Mihawk. Can't, can you?
One last point: Roger and Whitebeard tied. Until Roger's death, Roger held the title of World's Strongest Man.
GUESS WHAT THAT MEANS? It means that two people can be equal with one still holding the title.
And there's no debating that, sorry.
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Actually it was never stated that roger was indeed the worlds strongest man but he was the pirate king himself and he had all the riches in the world..but this is totally off topic is it =P
show proof that roger was the worlds strongest man and ill take my word back lol
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Actually it was never stated that roger was indeed the worlds strongest man but he was the pirate king himself and he had all the riches in the world..but this is totally off topic is it =P
show proof that roger was the worlds strongest man and ill take my word back lol
Well, I'm feeling lazy right now, but Whitebeard is the current world's strongest man, and he was the only one to ever tie Roger in a fight.
So yes, Roger was the world's strongest man.
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Yet another topic doomed to fall to the "Shanks is a swordsman" and "Whitebeard really is the strongest pirate" arguments. -_-'
So far I think out of what we've seen, Mihawk is the strongest Shichibukai. I think even Flamingo guy wouldn't dare cross his path.
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@Fire Fist:
Fine then. WHITEBEARD (I know it's you, don't deny it) and OiP, if you admit that Shanks is a Swordsman, then you admit Roger was a spear wielder, because according to your inane logic, a person MUST have the same weapon as their rival.
According to my logic you cannot randomly pick up a sword and have an equal strike with whitebeard. To be able to do that you must have trained extremely hard to become that highly skilled with a sword.
And for the record, show me EXACTLY where in One Piece that Shanks lost to Mihawk. Can't, can you?
Whether he lost or not, Oda declared mihawk the best swordsman.
One last point: Roger and Whitebeard tied. Until Roger's death, Roger held the title of World's Strongest Man.
No he didn't
GUESS WHAT THAT MEANS? It means that two people can be equal with one still holding the title.
Wrong
And there's no debating that, sorry.
It just got debated and you lost
Yet another topic doomed to fall to the "Shanks is a swordsman" and "Whitebeard really is the strongest pirate" arguments. -_-'
And right when everyone had decided to just stop, but no-one gives FFA any lip. The members here all seem to plat favourites, only seeing certain members names.
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According to my logic you cannot randomly pick up a sword and have an equal strike with whitebeard. To be able to do that you must have trained extremely hard to become that highly skilled with a sword.
Yeah, and? You think Shanks only skill is with a sword? And you avoided the question. By your logic, Roger definitely a used a spear to fight, since Whitebeard and he were rivals, and according to you, rivals can only use the same weapon.
Whether he lost or not, Oda declared mihawk the best swordsman.
That's irrelevant. You overrate Mihawk because of a silly title.
No he didn't
Uh, yes he did. Whitebeard is the only person to tie in a fight with Roger. Clearly stated. Therefore, if Roger was Pirate King and Whitebeard wasn't, prior to his death, he was the world's strongest man.
I'm not trying to bust heads. I'm just trying to show you how bad your logic is.
And right when everyone had decided to just stop, but no-one gives FFA any lip. The members here all seem to plat favourites, only seeing certain members names.
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Foxy Pirates > All!
Not even whitebeard can stand up to a Foxy rush! All he needs to do is remove that mirror room from his ship.
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@Fire Fist:
Yeah, and? You think Shanks only skill is with a sword? And you avoided the question. By your logic, Roger definitely a used a spear to fight, since Whitebeard and he were rivals, and according to you, rivals can only use the same weapon.
No, I mean what I said
According to my logic you cannot randomly pick up a sword and have an equal strike with whitebeard. To be able to do that you must have trained extremely hard to become that highly skilled with a sword.
This is why I claim shanks to be a swordsman (and the fact the data states he weilds a sword and has top class skills). It has nothing to do with being a rival, luffy and zoro are rivals and luffy can't use swords.
irrelevant. You overrate Mihawk because of a silly title.
It's a direct statement from Oda
he did. Whitebeard is the only person to tie in a fight with Roger. Clearly stated. Therefore, if Roger was Pirate King and Whitebeard wasn't, prior to his death, he was the world's strongest man.
No he was the pirate king, not the strongest man in the world. The fact he had an equal makes neither stronger than the other. Just like how shanks and mihawk were rivals.
trying to bust heads. I'm just trying to show you how bad your logic is.
ditto
EDIT. We going to stop discussing this now FFA? There is just no point, I'll allow the manga to prove you wrong.
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@Fire Fist:
Fine then. WHITEBEARD (I know it's you, don't deny it) and OiP, if you admit that Shanks is a Swordsman, then you admit Roger was a spear wielder, because according to your inane logic, a person MUST have the same weapon as their rival.
And for the record, show me EXACTLY where in One Piece that Shanks lost to Mihawk. Can't, can you?
One last point: Roger and Whitebeard tied. Until Roger's death, Roger held the title of World's Strongest Man.
GUESS WHAT THAT MEANS? It means that two people can be equal with one still holding the title.
And there's no debating that, sorry.
Superstar is Psolaras.
And WHITEBEARD might have a new incarnation but since it isn't bothering anyone I'm not worrying.
Anyway, I think Gecko Moria might use those scissors of his and maybe pull out a giant pair of giant war scissors.
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In fact, as Gecko Moria wields scissors. He is in fact a scissorman.
Oda stated in a japan only supplement that Scissors > Swords. But also Scissos = Swords as counting as swords.This is canon.
Therefore Mihawk is not the best swordman because he is a homosexual.
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What Zephos speaks is gospel.
Mihawk is merely the best Long-piece-of-metal-wedgeman
Whilst Moria is probably the best two-wedges-of-metal-joined-together-at-the-middle-with-the-blades-facing-insideman.
Clear difference.
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Yeah "Fire Fist" Ace, i agree with OiP on one point: Let's stop arguing about this already. He knows it himself that his logic isn't going to convince anyone and so i think let's give him a chance save some face before he goes really berserk and gets the mods to close yet another thread. We all can see where you're coming from, and how HE's been the one avoiding your question despite his claims. Let us have the manga prove HIM wrong instead and just leave it there. I think you'll just go crazy arguing with this sort of person.
Lol, and it's quite funny how OiP wants to stop debating, but still cannot let go of his ego 'til the end.
Anyway, i agree with you that if it can be assumed that Shanks was a swordsman for using a sword, then it shouldn't be difficult to assume that Roger was the World's Strongest Man for having Whitebeard, currently the world's strongest, to have ever tied him (notice it was WB who tied Roger, not the other way round. technically it means the same thing, but the effect's a little different). And I agree that having a sword doesn't necessarily make it the only skill available to you, but some are just too.. let's say, egoistic, to ever want to comprehend something like that. It's a conclusion drawn from seeing many, many pages of argument.
shoot i'm not really one who says this sort of thing but i'm really a little flared up too.
Anyway, back on topic…...
Moria is an Ouka Shichibukai himself, so he should know the relative strengths of the 6 (including crocodile) other members. Yet he feels that gaining the power of SZ 900 along with Luffy's Shadow in it would allow himself to become the Pirate King. That's quite a lot of confidence. I feel that this may suggest that he does have some sort of inherent fighting ability not yet displayed, because i doubt he gained his position through capturing shadows alone. Besides, he had to have started somewhere, and I don't think Perona, Absolom or Hogback would follow someone weaker than him. And, remember that he has to be powerful enough himself to control a powerful zombie. If he didn't have power, then he wouldn't have had the confidence to ressurrect Oz, and thus would not have carried on with the awakening. So he must have some sort of power. The only thing that's holding himself back from not showing it would be his ultimate sloth.
Personally, i think that even with all his zombies, they'd still all get thrashed by Mihawk if they fought.
Now that I think about it, there is some likelihood that Kaidou is one of the Yonkou. The biggest hindrance to becoming Pirate King would be those 4 who reside in the New World. Therefore, when you go into the new world to search for One Piece, who do you think will more likely be first in your path? Some might say Marines, but to me it'd more likely be an Emperor. And since all 4 of them were said to be on the same level as Whitebeard, don't you think Moria would judge their strengths based on that one encounter? Based on that, and since Moria knows that the yonkou are going to be his greatest obstacles in becoming the PK, his judgement that gaining the strength of SZ 900 Oz would make him PK would inherently hint that Kaidou might actually be one of the Yonkou, and not one of the Shichibukai.
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Yeah "Fire Fist" Ace, i agree with OiP on one point: Let's stop arguing about this already. He knows it himself that his logic isn't going to convince anyone and so i think let's give him a chance save some face before he goes really berserk and gets the mods to close yet another thread. We all can see where you're coming from, and how HE's been the one avoiding your question despite his claims. Let us have the manga prove HIM wrong instead and just leave it there. I think you'll just go crazy arguing with this sort of person.
Lol, and it's quite funny how OiP wants to stop debating, but still cannot let go of his ego 'til the end.
Look at you, strolling in here thinking you're some sort of celeb. No-one cares archtyrant, half of your posts are just fanboy rants.
I love it how you say my logic is flawed, even though all I use is direct FACTS. I also like how you say I've avoided FFA's questions, even though it's just you being blinded because you're a typical fanboy.
I haven't avoided anything and if anyone has avoided anything, it's you and the rest of the shanks fanboys. Also unlike you I'll step down if I'm wrong, I don't let fanboyism get in the way of my judgement.
I've got to thank you, if you didn't post all these lies about me. I would have probably just let it slide but now it's personal.
The only flawed logic here is anyone saying shanks isn't a swordsman and anyone saying mihawks title is irrelevent.
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LOL! @ OIP, don't worry about him OIP you know he is just trying to get a rise out of you! Your the one who brings the facts to the table.
@[Fire:
**Fine then. WHITEBEARD (I know it's you, don't deny it)
Yo..Yo…. All you sucker MC's ain't got nothing on me from my grades to my life you can't touch SuperStar G, I am an Athlete the nerd isn't first but forget what you heard I am like James Bond the third Shaken not stirred I am havin a pour, the S silent when I sneak in your door make love to your woman on the bathroom floor, I don't play like Shaggy cause you'll know it was me because she will be like OOOh SuperSTAR pleeassssseeeeeeee...........
I am SuperStar!!!! I am also glad you agree with the Canon showing Shanks being a swordsman, Also FFA, I do agree and believe that Shanks and Mihawk are equals in power as well as their importance to the One Piece story.
PS. That Whitebeard Gold Roger comparison could be really similar to Shanks and Mihawk, just because he has a title doesn't mean he isn't going to have a rival. We will have to wait and see!!!**
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Look at you, strolling in here thinking you're some sort of celeb. No-one cares archtyrant, half of your posts are just fanboy rants.
I love it how you say my logic is flawed, even though all I use is direct FACTS. I also like how you say I've avoided FFA's questions, even though it's just you being blinded because you're a typical fanboy.
I haven't avoided anything and if anyone has avoided anything, it's you and the rest of the shanks fanboys. Also unlike you I'll step down if I'm wrong, I don't let fanboyism get in the way of my judgement.
I've got to thank you, if you didn't post all these lies about me. I would have probably just let it slide but now it's personal.
The only flawed logic here is anyone saying shanks isn't a swordsman and anyone saying mihawks title is irrelevent.
Stop being mean.
Is cwuel.
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Look at you, strolling in here thinking you're some sort of celeb. No-one cares archtyrant, half of your posts are just fanboy rants.
I love it how you say my logic is flawed, even though all I use is direct FACTS. I also like how you say I've avoided FFA's questions, even though it's just you being blinded because you're a typical fanboy.
I haven't avoided anything and if anyone has avoided anything, it's you and the rest of the shanks fanboys. Also unlike you I'll step down if I'm wrong, I don't let fanboyism get in the way of my judgement.
I've got to thank you, if you didn't post all these lies about me. I would have probably just let it slide but now it's personal.
The only flawed logic here is anyone saying shanks isn't a swordsman and anyone saying mihawks title is irrelevent.
Dont encourage the trolls you will just give them what they want.
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LOL
Anything you say, OiP.. Anything you say..
Hey my posts do sound quite arrogant don't they? but i'm only like that in front of people who think they're right all day long. Can't help it; when you come from a school that has its own share of brats, you learn to react in a sort of way to put them off.
I'm guessing this thread's about to be closed down after all, since there're always these few people who come in and argue about Shanks and Mihawk and voila! bevin or oceanizer comes in, says something like "not another one of these threads" and closes it.
Will anyone please come and save it? By ignoring certain people who constantly have to bicker about being right we can actually save ourselves some dignity in not having a mod modding us.
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Ignore whatever I was going to say before. You're out.