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SHIT!
! Hiro meets Hiro!!!
! Slyar and Peter have a duel
Slyar kills Issac
Linderman takes Micah
Linderman wants to blow up NYC to save world
Nathan has heart to heart with Claire
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Wait, who's Isaac!? Is he the Indian dude???? Please say yes!!!!
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painter guy
Mohinder lives to see another day
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Sylar is indeed a bad painter.
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Oh man, the next episode should be awesome. The "what if" episode, also, I noticed that Ando isn't with Hiro in the future. Death for Ando maybe? >.>
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what if Sylar's painting is correct and Nathan wins as a Zombie?
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GODDAMNIT! Would have been the first thing I actually cheered for. I hate that annoying bastard.
Death for Ando maybe? >.>
That would be even better.
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It could be that he is just a bad painter, remember the first time that Peter predicted the future, he could only draw stick figures.
Can't believe that Isaac died, though I mean I only saw a few eps so I don't know if there was foreshadowing of it.
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What a disappointing episode. I figured a break would help them brush up on their writing and dialogue, but I was generally unimpressed.
! So it seems the amazing Radioactive Ted's power isn't emitting radiation but perhaps the whole electromagnetic spectrum due to the EMP he caused. That sucks for him if it's true. It'll turn out he killed his wife because he was using his power WRONG, rather than it was beyond his control.
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So Nathan doesnt become President unless Peter blows up? Nathan was still against is because that meant Peter would die.
Than he figures out that Peter will survive from the explosion, so he is for it now?
I wonder what there mother power is? The "friends" network reminds me of 21 century boys a lil bit. Linderman controls it all. Candice posing as jessica/nikka was great, I didnt see that coming.
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Have you guys read the latest comic? on nbc.com?
! we find out why Future Hiro is so dark and cold. It explains what future hiro has been up to. He's in a future where the government is hunting down heroes as animals, heroes are second class citizens and are to be arrested on sight. It's a war out there and Hiro states that they are losing it. And this all started when Sylar exploded and blew up New York (yeah). Hiro tried to stop him by stabbing him but he regenerated. This was because he had gained the powers of the cheerleader. So, save the cheerleader, save the world he thought. So he went to the train and told peter to save her, but when he came back to the future nothing had changed. He became pretty pissed and went home to his appartment, only to find Hiro and Ando in his lair aiming their weapons at him.
! So, since Sylar isn't master exploder anymore, is Peter then one to explode in this changed present? Here's how I think it's gonna go.
! Sylar eats Ted's brain
Sylar is about to explode
Hiro stab, Sylar almost die
All the heroes walk up to Sylar, including Peter
Peter gains Ted's power
Peter goes boom boom
! So that's the new future. Linderman's plan sure is weird lol -
Wait a minute.
So the grandmother knows her children and grandaughter have powers, yet she knew nothing about how her son could possibly not be dead?
I mean, at least the blond girl could've went "hey wait there, there's the possibility he…". But nooo, she has to wait and make such a drama out of it.
Drama queen writers.
I know this is kinda nitpicking but, when it's forced like this just to make everything extra-dramatic, it really annoys me and makes stuff lose credibility to me.Anyway, episode was like your average Prison Break season 2 episode. Not bad, but not very good either. It's just...there. And the Sylar vs main character guy was mad dissapointing.
And really, how they're forcing the "Behold westerners, your dose of asian dude with a katana on his back is here" aspect of Hiro is getting annoying.
This show's ability to make me wait for Lost episodes to pile up before watching them isn't so big anymore...
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For one thing both Claire and Peter/Nathan's mum had no idea about what Peter's power really is, they are the only ones that probably don't know from either being told or finding out.
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Raoul, her son was pretty much dead. How would she know anything different than that? Her knowing her sons have powers, has nothing to do with Peter dead body showing up. What kind of logic is that?
If Claire can die, Peter can die. They all can die. I don't see how she would know he was alive, when his dead non-breathing body was right in front of her.
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Man, I love anything with Greg and the glasses guy. The two of them teaming up almost makes up for everything else.
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I don't care if Ted's new found abilities sound stupid, it allows his character to expand instead of being stuck with a highly destructive ability that nobody wants around.
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Why does Linderman want Micah?
Maybe to rig the voting booths because they are all electronical? Micah could do alot of things with his power.
If he was an older character, he could be a major villian.
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10 minutes starts dancing and praising Canadian TV
HOLY FUCK
just from the bit before the 1st commercial
! -Future Hiro tried to stop him but he regen'd
-Peter is alive
-NFHiro gets kidnapped by Matt the Director of Homeland Security…
-Nathan's even more corrupt 5 years later
-Mohinder is his close friend
-Nikki (stripper) and Peter are a couple (he has his scar)
-Haitian works with Matt under President NathanFUCK this episode keepds getting better and better
this episode has rekindled my entire faith in the series, and it has a spoiler thats too big to post here have fun.
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HOLY SHIT!!
! Racer X is actually Speed's older brother Rex! :P
Much better episode~ I'm happy, now I go off to party.
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told you all that Nathan would win as a Zombie
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Sylar as president was the biggest WTF moments. I did not see that coming at all.
I wanted to see that fight between him and Peter. I guess Sylar killed DL as well.
How are they going to find out that Peter is the bomb and not sylar? Peter should have told them.
edit: I guess we should of seen that Sylar would become president because in the episode before last after he got issac's power. He drew himself in the oval office. That is crazy. He killed Nathan and Candice and became the most powerful man in the world.
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That was an absolutely awesome episode. My favorite of the season thus far. Pity they did not show the fight between Sylar and Peter. Everyone died in the future ;_;
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This episode wasn't bad but it wasn't exactly good.. not sure what to call it.
I enjoyed it?
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Everyone died in the future
What about Ando? Did he die? Did they divulge the details? Was it painful?
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Nah they didn't say how ando died.
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yeah they did, he died when the bomb went boom
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yeah they did, he died when the bomb went boom
Well I guess I wasn't paying attention then.
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Sylar is going to kill future peter and take dead hiro's brain and go in the past and stop past hiro.
Also remember in episode 3, when Sylar went back to find that little girl he missed. It looked like he flew away? Perhaps he was future sylar.
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Here's how it goes down.
If you read the comic you know that Hiro from the future just came back from delivering the note to Peter Petrelli. He seems to have little to no collections of how it altered history, especially since in that timeline he doesn't remember going into the future.
So here's the the timeline looked before he traveled back.
Stylar kills Claire
Stylar doesn't get killed by Hiro because he can regenerate
NEw York CIty blows up and its blamed by Stylar
what Hiro probably doesn't know is that Stylar was just blamed by Nathan for the explosion, but PETER Petrelli was the actual one that did it.Now here's the timeline for the current episode.
Stlyar DOESN"T KILL Claire
Stylar never gets stabbed by Hiro because it hasn't occured yet in the past
bomb explodes etc. as before
in the future, Nathan is dead and is impersonated by Stylar
Peter and Nikki are going out but DL and Micah are dead
Matt, Mohinder and the Haithan are working for "Nathan" which is actually Stylar
also HRG is still hiding Claire and is supposedly working with Matt, but then is then betrayed when Matt finds out there is two Hiros
Claire goes back to "Nathan" but its actually Stylar and she apparently gets cut on the forehead. Whether she lives or not is still being questioned.
Mohinder betrays president because it was foretold in Issac's last comic before he died and Ando and Hiro go back into the past, but not before future Hiro dies
Peter and Stylar fight it out with no conclusionThere is no mention of LInderman and how he's involved with this at all.
Another thing to note is that at thee end when peter and "Nathan" meet again, there is no reaction from Matt when he turns back into Stylar. Makes you wonder if he knew already or not.The final most crucial fact is that Hiro still doesn't know that Peter is the actual person that sets off the bomb
I like dlo62282's idea. I mean all of Issac's painting came true. Those couldn't be changed. And Stylar, who took Issac's powers, drew Nathan as white house, but looking demonic. Presumably that is him in the future. So its possible he could come back from the past. However, if ANYBODY can kill present Stylar than future Stylar is automatically erased from existence. The one problem with that though is the reliability of Issac's paintings and how they always come true.
So that's my thoughts. Next week apparently shows another side of Stylar where he actually has depth other than a demonic psycho so after that episode everything should be sort of able to predict the future from there since they're probably involve them in New York for the final explosion.
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yeah they did, he died when the bomb went boom
WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But since they are going to stop Peter from "blowing up", he wont die like that.
This episode reminded me of the Matrix meets x-men.
Next episode shows Sylar's mother. I think Hiro went in the past to kill him when he was powerless, but somehow Sylar stops him. I dont get it. I guess we have to see next week.
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Solid episode, although some changes in the personnalities of some characters don't make any sense whatsoever no matter what happened to them in those 5 years.
Also, now I feel like asking some questions, all related to some time travel/event changing that the deeper you think about them, ultimately no one will have an answer to anyway, not even the writers.But yeah. So they saved the girl, Sylar doesn't get regeneration, so he should be dead, if Hiro stabbed him no? The future one even remembers he did, so it happened.
Let's say it didn't happen…somehow...so now present Hiro's back to kill Sylar on THAT day. Ok so that doesn't make any sense since the future should have been different the moment the cheerleader was saved, and Hiro was gonna make it to the past anyway.
And the cheerleader was going to be saved anyway, so the future shown in this episode should never have existed in the first place, or have stopped to exist the moment the cheerleader was saved.
Of course there's the possibility many futures exist, and that'd the future of this ep is gonna remain messed up anyway.
But the fact Hiro teleported to this future shows that most likely only one time exists in the world of "Heroes"kjd,hlqklsdk,kfd...
AAAARGH!!!Ok, I'm outta here. Time travel=serious business!
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But yeah. So they saved the girl, Sylar doesn't get regeneration, so he should be dead, if Hiro stabbed him no? The future one even remembers he did, so it happened.
Let's say it didn't happen…somehow...so now present Hiro's back to kill Sylar on THAT day. Ok so that doesn't make any sense since the future should have been different the moment the cheerleader was saved, and Hiro was gonna make it to the past anyway.
And the cheerleader was going to be saved anyway, so the future shown in this episode should never have existed in the first place, or have stopped to exist the moment the cheerleader was saved.
Of course there's the possibility many futures exist, and that'd the future of this ep is gonna remain messed up anyway.
But the fact Hiro teleported to this future shows that most likely only one time exists in the world of "Heroes"kjd,hlqklsdk,kfd...
AAAARGH!!!Ok, I'm outta here. Time travel=serious business!
Here's my 2 cents:
Because Present Hiro phased out of his own time BEFORE he's meant to kill Sylar then technically the event never happens, thus Sylar is still alive in the future.
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But then wouldn't technically Future Hiro doesn't exist?
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Best lines of the episode:
"Should we stop time?"
"Nah I haven't had a good fight in a while."Then they pretty much kill everyone. So cool, and such a great episode.
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Yatta! Greatest Heroes episode ever!
Hiro meets Future Hiro
Slyar has new powers
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The loopholes and retconning in this episode made no sense, I'm disappointed me and my best friend are the only ones who realized this over lunch.
How can you possibly like this episode? It makes no sense even in alternate timeline sci fi terms.
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Congratulations on noticing the countless loopholes. Go you.
This is a television series, it doesn't have to make much sense. It made the episode interesting.
Also, don't think too much about the Hiro situation. If there's a Hiro 5 years down the road, theoretically ,there could be close to inifinite amounts of Hiros.
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I don't get the need for sarcasm, I see countless "praise" for a shitty episode and I simply don't get it.
These writers used to work at Marvel, they should have learned from the mistakes of the past (specifically Bishop/Cable), they shouldn't make loophole mistakes like that. Especially when continuity problems are based on a single episode. -
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I thought the way they handled the episode besides the loopholes (which I hadn't really noticed at the time, I'm pretty terrible at spotting these things) was great, personally. -
There will always be loop holes with time travel. Refi I would love to discuss the loop holes you saw.
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Let's go with the most obvious one.
Hiro goes back in time to stop Clair from dying, he comes back to a world where Clair did not die. He stabs Syler in his time, and due to the healing he still "blows up." When Hiro comes back, Syler no longer has the healing so when he stabs him he shouldn't heal.
Why is it that he is still alive and well, and has to kill Clair in the future to get the healing power then?
Otherwise, if he killed her the first time and Hiro came back to his time, why does he have to kill her a second time?
Also, if he didn't come to his time, why does his time line not reflect the new timeline of the alternate future? Simply because he does not remember the new future, does not change the continuation of logic whereby his timeline (the pictures and rope?) would show Clair never died.I'm sure there's at least one more but I don't remember the specifics of it and it's 1:30 am so I want to go to sleep.
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I haven't dropped my jaw watching tv like that in a long time.
BTW, i've seen at least three different spellings on this page alone, it definitely aint Stylar, I thought was just Sylar.
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Let's go with the most obvious one.
Hiro goes back in time to stop Clair from dying, he comes back to a world where Clair did not die. He stabs Syler in his time, and due to the healing he still "blows up." When Hiro comes back, Syler no longer has the healing so when he stabs him he shouldn't heal.
Why is it that he is still alive and well, and has to kill Clair in the future to get the healing power then?
Otherwise, if he killed her the first time and Hiro came back to his time, why does he have to kill her a second time?
Also, if he didn't come to his time, why does his time line not reflect the new timeline of the alternate future? Simply because he does not remember the new future, does not change the continuation of logic whereby his timeline (the pictures and rope?) would show Clair never died.I'm sure there's at least one more but I don't remember the specifics of it and it's 1:30 am so I want to go to sleep.
Hiro came back in time to save Claire. He came back to his regular time, and things are pretty much the same to him. Claire was saved but the "bomb" still happend. This is a paradox. There is no correct answer without holes per say. His memory does not go away once he go back to his present time, because of it did than Claire would never be saved. He has to go to the past to save her, so if he didnt know to do that than she wouldnt be saved.
Time-travel is always WTF. Future hiro had to go in the past to save Claire, so when Claire is saved that means Future hiro never went to the past. You get what I am saying? lol. Time travel is always like this.
Sylar wasnt the bomb. We dont know if Hiro stabbed him, once Hiro went back in the past things changed. Future Hiro stills have his memory and we have no idea what happend during that time. It leaves alot of questions but anything could of happend.
We know in this timeline, that Sylar killed Nathan AFTER the bomb went off. We know future Hiro remembers that he stabbed Sylar. We know that Claire is saved, Hiro didnt know. No matter what he did in the past, his memory would always stay the same. So, no it is not a plot hole. He didnt stab Sylar in that timeline, but he remembers that he did but it was a different string that he remembers.
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Maybe Hiro had stab Future Sylar after he stole his power after being shot by Matt, Also when peter and Sylar were about to fight toward the end Peter turn his hands on fire, meaning he probably encountered Claire birthmother sometime in those five years.
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I've mentioned this before, the reason why Sylar is still alive is because Present Hiro traveled into the future BEFORE he was supposedly meant to stab Sylar, after the Future Hiro saved Claire from dying. If Present Hiro was to visit the future again after killing Sylar in the current time line then he would definitely be dead then as well.
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That makes no sense, if present Hiro dissapears from his timeline and thus "never stabs/kills Syler" the police would not think he was a terrorist and the timeline pictures/rope shit wouldn't be there. Future Hiro created the picture/rope shit before he left, it would no longer be there when he gets back if past Hiro dissapears, because although future Hiro can continue to exist, the new Hiro's actions would change and be reflected despite future Hiro remaining unchanged.
Don't worry, I've seen as much Stargate as you have, (assuming you've seen all the episodes) so I know the arguments you're trying to use, I've thought of them. They fail.I'm sorry there is a hole that is impossible to mend here and I need to watch the episode again because I'm sure there was another.
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In regards to time travel, it's just best not to think about it. You'll hurt your head trying to figure it out, and I don't mean that as an insult. I've honestly tried, and I just become fatigued by it.
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But the thing is, I'm used to it. I've seen enough sci-fi and read enough comics not to let it bother me.
What does bother me is when ex-writers that HAVE MADE this mistake before act so carelessly =/ they could have easily made it so that Future Hiro is confused and trying to figure out what happens while our Hiro comes to the future, but no instead they put in this hole.