I see what your saying Fixius. Nothing is really written in stone, the only revelations are Whitebeard is the "Strongest Man in the World" and "Hawkeye's" being the Strongest Swordsman in the World."
QFT,indeed! (16 char)
I see what your saying Fixius. Nothing is really written in stone, the only revelations are Whitebeard is the "Strongest Man in the World" and "Hawkeye's" being the Strongest Swordsman in the World."
QFT,indeed! (16 char)
QFT, indeed! (16 char) in the red data book it is said mihawk never declines a duel that he gave zoro a second chance in spite his loss.
I believe you mean that info on Mihawk is stated in One Piece Blue. Mihawk probably gave Shanks the same chance to take his title but chose Zoro now since Shanks lost his arm. Mihawk I guess chose another successor!
From One Piece Blue…....
Title: Dracule Mihawk
Side title: One of the Kings of the "Shichibukai*" and Strongest Swordsman in the World!!"
Text: The swordsman who carries the title of one of the kings of the Shichibukai. People call him "Hawkeyed Mihawk." He is the man who Zoro continues to chase. He reigns as the strongest and does not refuse anyone who challenges him for that title. Also, he has given Zoro a second chance to fight him despite losing once before.
Picture text: Try and surpass me Roronoa!!!
Caption: He has recognized Zoro as a swordsman.[Title]: He holds a sword which can destory a large ship in one blow!!
Text: With just one swing of the big sword on his back, he produces extremely destructive power. On the one hand, he skillfully wields the "sword" by parrying and defending from his opponent's attacks.
Caption: Not only can he destroy a large ship, but he can also divert the trajectory of cannonballs/ bullets.
Title: Dracule Mihawk
Side title: One of the Kings of the "Shichibukai*" and Strongest Swordsman in the World!!"
Text: The swordsman who carries the title of one of the kings of the Shichibukai. People call him "Hawkeyed Mihawk." He is the man who Zoro continues to chase. He reigns as the strongest and does not refuse anyone who challenges him for that title. Also, he has given Zoro a second chance to fight him despite losing once before.
Picture text: Try and surpass me Roronoa!!!
Caption: He has recognized Zoro as a swordsman.[Title]: He holds a sword which can destory a large ship in one blow!!
Text: With just one swing of the big sword on his back, he produces extremely destructive power. On the one hand, he skillfully wields the "sword" by parrying and defending from his opponent's attacks.
Caption: Not only can he destroy a large ship, but he can also divert the trajectory of cannonballs/ bullets
that info is superb!!!!
Yeah, that info is from One Piece Blue! Mihawk has World-class power.
Yeah, but it's mostly stuff that we already knew from just watching him fight once.
imho, the reason why mihawk doesn't fight shanks is a swordsman thing. it is not proper to duel with an injured person and all, or rather he sees shanks as injured. and not because shanks grew weaker.
anyway, it's just a thought. :ninja:
imho, the reason why mihawk doesn't fight shanks is a swordsman thing. it is not proper to duel with an injured person and all, or rather he sees shanks as injured. and not because shanks grew weaker.
anyway, it's just a thought. :ninja:
well he said something about shanks arm but was it a tease or the way he felt??? or something between that??
well he said something about shanks arm but was it a tease or the way he felt??? or something between that??
They have no reason to fight anymore. Shanks doesn't care about being the World's Greatest Swordsman and has nothing to prove. Mihawk is a better swordsman, but Shanks is a better Captain. People don't faint when Mihawk shows up, they just panic or freak out. Of course, Ace and Bellamy caused that effect, too. Shanks causes people to faint because his ambition and charisma is so strong, it exudes.
Mihawk can cut giant ships and possibly even elements in half. Shanks can cut clouds in half.
I could go on and on, but the point is, they're different men with different walks in life. One choose to live a boring and dull life of training and waiting for an ultimate opponent, even using the WG as an ally to "buy off" bounty-hunters and marines. The other choose a life of adventure and risk, by sailing to the New World, surrounded by Bounty hunters, marines and other fierce pirates.
@Fire Fist:
They have no reason to fight anymore. Shanks doesn't care about being the World's Greatest Swordsman and has nothing to prove. Mihawk is a better swordsman, but Shanks is a better Captain. People don't faint when Mihawk shows up, they just panic or freak out. Of course, Ace and Bellamy caused that effect, too. Shanks causes people to faint because his ambition and charisma is so strong, it exudes.
Mihawk can cut giant ships and possibly even elements in half. Shanks can cut clouds in half.
I could go on and on, but the point is, they're different men with different walks in life. One choose to live a boring and dull life of training and waiting for an ultimate opponent, even using the WG as an ally to "buy off" bounty-hunters and marines. The other choose a life of adventure and risk, by sailing to the New World, surrounded by Bounty hunters, marines and other fierce pirates.
indeed shanks is a greatest pirate but not a greatest swordsman,garp said that the yonkou were the greatest pirates but that doesn't mean they are the strongest
also shank's ambition is his spirit,ki call it whatever you like and it was fully released in WB's ship and with that power he cut clouds but that doens't mean mihawk can't do that too,we haven't seem mihawk in a serious fight and the cloud's splitting were the impact the blades of WB and shanks did together
i bet mihawk's ki is stronger than shank's ki since he is a better swordsman or at least in equal level
but i agree that shanks has a different path in life but oda clearly gave us facts to compare the one with each other,don't forget they were once rivals
and mihawk being in the schichibukai is kinda fishy,shanks and mihawk might be in an alliance and obseve things from inside and wait for something to happen,like dragon's or BB's moves that could destroy the balance of the powers and bring chaos to the world or something that will be showed later
or something that has to do with the ancient kingdom,shanks giving a reason to fight in a D that is garp's grandson and dragon's son can't just be a coincidence,shanks knew what luffy could become if he trained and pushed himself in the limits,something is weird,even the mayor of fuuscha said that it was luffy's destiny and not luck
but i wouldn't be suprised if shanks and mihawk are up to something and not just wondering around,they both seem extremely smart
Long time no see FFA
@Fire Fist:
They have no reason to fight anymore. Shanks doesn't care about being the World's Greatest Swordsman and has nothing to prove.
They're both swordsmen one is called the best and one isn't, that meansone is better than the other.
Mihawk is a better swordsman, but Shanks is a better Captain.
Mihawk is definitely better, mihawk doesn't seem to want a crewso you can't compare them in that field. It would be like saying shanks is a better knitter than mihawk, mihawk wouldn't care.
People don't faint when Mihawk shows up, they just panic or freak out.
Shanks turns that power on and off, mihawk hasn't been shown doing it possibly because he had it off.
Of course, Ace and Bellamy caused that effect, too. Shanks causes people to faint because his ambition and charisma is so strong, it exudes.
It's unknown if mihawk can do it too.
Mihawk can cut giant ships and possibly even elements in half. Shanks can cut clouds in half.
Shanks split the sky, something that cannot be ct. This means they can both cut elements
I could go on and on, but the point is, they're different men with different walks in life. One choose to live a boring and dull life of training and waiting for an ultimate opponent, even using the WG as an ally to "buy off" bounty-hunters and marines. The other choose a life of adventure and risk, by sailing to the New World, surrounded by Bounty hunters, marines and other fierce pirates.
True, but you should let mihawk decide if it's boring.
Mihawk is definitely better, mihawk doesn't seem to want a crewso you can't compare them in that field. It would be like saying shanks is a better knitter than mihawk, mihawk wouldn't care.
just cause mihawk doesnt care doesnt mean it isnt so. (just thought it was a very funny argument to make).
clearification: if mihawk doesnt care about knitting and shanks does then shanks is definetly a better knitter. if mihawk cares or not is beside the point.
just cause mihawk doesnt care doesnt mean it isnt so. (just thought it was a very funny argument to make).
clearification: if mihawk doesnt care about knitting and shanks does then shanks is definetly a better knitter. if mihawk cares or not is beside the point.
Fair enough. I'm just saying that it doesn't affect their strength, just because Mihawk seems uninterested in having a crew. If anything it shows his strength travelling around alone in a coffin, without backup from anyone
well he said something about shanks arm but was it a tease or the way he felt??? or something between that??
yeah, it could be that way too. actually, it's more of that. but i'm just speculating why did mihawk stop sparring/dueling with shanks. of course, it wouldn't be to tease him.
it's like playing DOTA for me really. [stupid quitters in battle.net].
like "Fire Fist" Ace said, Shanks is a pirate. Mihawk considers himself a swordsman. let's say mihawk's agility type, then shank's a strength one. then, you can't really tell who's greater than who. each has its own pros and cons.
Mihawk is the greatest swordsman , in this field he is clearly stronger than shanks but that doesn't mean that he is stronger than shanks overall , it only mean that he has greater skills in swordmanship , while we don't know if swordmanship is the ONLY way shanks fight .
Think about it for a second , put a gun in mihawk hands instead of his sword then tell him to fight against van auger in a GUNFIGHT , he would get owned not because he is weaker than Auger but because gunfight is not his field.
Now put a sword in Auger's hand and make him fight mihawk , that time mihawk would destroy him .
You see what i want to point out ?
Being the strongest in a discipline doesn't mean that your opponent can't be stronger than you in another discipline .
Mihawk is the best with a sword but swordmanship is the only thing he got (until proven wrong) while we don't know if it's the same for shanks .
And by the way why there is so much hype on mihawk to place him above anybody in the OPverse ?
Last time i checked mihawk's greatest feat is slashing a ship in half ( or several ships whatever …) , the problem is that his greatest feat shown so far is performed on a regular basis by a swordsman weaker than him , captain T-BONE whose nickname was the SHIPCUTTER and the guy also slash seakings in half .
There is also this stupid rumor made out of thin air that he can cut elements , it's stated nowhere , trust me i got the red and blue data book and that statement is nowhere to be seen .
Mihawk as yet to go all out to show us what he can really do and i'm pretty sure that it would be totally insane just like what shanks and WB did.
But until that i wouldn't put him above the clouds , aokiji , shanks ,WB , BB and even ener have shown much impressive things than him .
Mihawk is the greatest swordsman , in this field he is clearly stronger than shanks but that doesn't mean that he is stronger than shanks overall , it only mean that he has greater skills in swordmanship , while we don't know if swordmanship is the ONLY way shanks fight .
Think about it for a second , put a gun in mihawk hands instead of his sword then tell him to fight against van auger in a GUNFIGHT , he would get owned not because he is weaker than Auger but because gunfight is not his field.Now put a sword in Auger's hand and make him fight mihawk , that time mihawk would destroy him .
You see what i want to point out ?
Being the strongest in a discipline doesn't mean that your opponent can't be stronger than you in another discipline .Mihawk is the best with a sword but swordmanship is the only thing he got (until proven wrong) while we don't know if it's the same for shanks .
And by the way why there is so much hype on mihawk to place him above anybody in the OPverse ?
Last time i checked mihawk's greatest feat is slashing a ship in half ( or several ships whatever …) , the problem is that his greatest feat shown so far is performed on a regular basis by a swordsman weaker than him , captain T-BONE whose nickname was the SHIPCUTTER and the guy also slash seakings in half .
There is also this stupid rumor made out of thin air that he can cut elements , it's stated nowhere , trust me i got the red and blue data book and that statement is nowhere to be seen .
Mihawk as yet to go all out to show us what he can really do and i'm pretty sure that it would be totally insane just like what shanks and WB did.
But until that i wouldn't put him above the clouds , aokiji , shanks ,WB , BB and even ener have shown much impressive things than him .
fair enough,he has yet to show something
but evading bullets while he wasn't even watching and cutting that giant ship in half and making it launch while moving only his arm kinda shows crazy strenght
and many people want to see if shanks is only a swordsman,to be honest since i have heard it so many times i want oda to confirm it too
yeah, it could be that way too. actually, it's more of that. but i'm just speculating why did mihawk stop sparring/dueling with shanks. of course, it wouldn't be to tease him.
it's like playing DOTA for me really. [stupid quitters in battle.net].
like "Fire Fist" Ace said, Shanks is a pirate. Mihawk considers himself a swordsman. let's say mihawk's agility type, then shank's a strength one. then, you can't really tell who's greater than who. each has its own pros and cons.
well i kinda explain it in the previous page
mihawk seems to be a close friend with shanks so that might have been a tease,remember he went all the way to find shanks just so he could show him the boy shanks was talking about now has a bounty and that he met them,that shows friendship
zoro said in his duel with mihawk that if he did one step back he could never return in front of him again and when he lost mihawk gave him the right to challenge him again
in the red data book it is said mihawk never declines a duel that he gave zoro a second chance in spite his loss
so it is easy to assume that to a proud swordman loss means he can't challenge the person that defeated him again and that is why mihawk allowed him to battle him again
and that goes on only for swordmen,it's like a code honour and that is why shanks asked mihawk if he came for a duel??? he was suprised
now i think that since they were rivals both mihawk and shanks might have lost some battles but that is different
if you have raised with someone in the same dojo you could fight him many times,like kuina and zoro,also from what WB said mihawk might have been a trainee in WB's ship so that is why shanks and mihawk fought often
BUT even zoro decided to end the rivalry once and for all when he fought kuina with real swords and after that they decided to compete in becomming the world's best,so shanks and mihawk propably had a last duel to determine the winner and mihawk won it
Mihawk has WORLD-CLASS POWER along with the INFAMOUS WHITEBEARD!!!!!!
Shanks is a swordsman, Hawkeye's Mihawk >>> Red-Haired Shanks!
GET OVER IT @#$%!!!!
Mihawk has WORLD-CLASS POWER along with the INFAMOUS WHITEBEARD!!!!!!
Shanks is a swordsman, Hawkeye's Mihawk >>> Red-Haired Shanks!
GET OVER IT @#$%!!!!
I'm in!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who are you talking to SuperStar ? not me i hope .
He's talking to anyone who is still thinks shanks main style isn't swordsmanship. The data book clearly states shanks is a swordsman and he attacked whitebeard (the strongest man) with a sword.
If that doesn't make you a swordsman, then mihawk isn't a swordsman either. Mihawks main style is like kung lao's from MK, he throw's his hat at his enemies.
Arlong used a gun to kill belmer ,does that make him a gunfighter ?
Kuroobi used sword to slash genzo does that make him a swordman ?
Pell used a gattling gun against the BW billions , does that make him a gunfighter ?
Foxy used a sword to fight (a very special one but still a sword ), is he a swordman ?
Lulu fought with both swords and guns , now in wich class do you put him ?
Mihawk is a better swordman but the fact iswe don't know if swordmanship is shanks only skill , while we know that mihawk is THE swordman , that's the difference .
In the OPverse several pirates are using sword because the more common weapons shown so far are guns and swords .
In general OP bosses have at least 2 fighting style except for those who are clearly said to belong to a specific category ( in this case mihawk ) ,buggy has his bara bara power combined with his knives skills , kuro combined his speed with his 10 blades , krieg used brute force combined with both guns and spear ,arlong fight with his merman powers and his spear , crocodile use his sand power and his hook fighting style , ener use his thunder attacks and his trident , lucci use the rokushiki along with the zoan power .
It's the OP formula , you got at least 2 way to fight , with mihawk we know that his main style is swordmanship BECAUSE he was introduced as the world greatest SWORDMAN, that's pretty clear and i have no doubt about it .
Now if we learn that he is also a DF user (i wouldn't be surprise if so ) and that he was emperor level but decided to become a warlord then i will change my mind .
Don't over estimate mihawk or it will end like ulquiora in bleach ( those who have heard of the last chapter know what i'm talking about) .
Oh no… The "Shanks is a swordman or not" arguement again!
*runs and hide"
Arlong used a gun to kill belmer ,does that make him a gunfighter ?
Arlong used his best on luffy, a worthy adversary. Bellemere doesn't require arlongs best.
Kuroobi used sword to slash genzo does that make him a swordman ?
kuroobi used martial arts against sanji, a worthy adversary. Genzo isn't exactly top tier.
Pell used a gattling gun against the BW billions , does that make him a gunfighter ?
Pell tried his best on robin and failed, billions are trash
Foxy used a sword to fight (a very special one but still a sword ), is he a swordman ?
Foxy didn't have a style apart from noru noru beam, once fired he used anything at his disposal.
lulu fought with both swords and guns , now in wich class do you put him ?
Lulu? Can't remember him
Mihawk is a better swordman but the fact iswe don't know if swordmanship is shanks only skill , while we know that mihawk is THE swordman , that's the difference .
Shanks used his sword on the most powerful guy in one piece, a secondary style wouldn't be able to match whitebeard. If we're going to use your logic Miihawk isn't just a swordsman, he's the best swordsman but his kung lao style is superior.
In the OPverse several pirates are using sword because the more common weapons shown so far are guns and swords .
In general OP bosses have at least 2 fighting style except for those who are clearly said to belong to a specific category ( in this case mihawk ) ,buggy has his bara bara power combined with his knives skills
What's this? How can he bara bara someone to death? He needs a weapon and they are knifes, so that's his main style.
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kuro combined his speed with his 10 blades
Speed isn't a weapon!!! Every character uses speed so they make contact with the enemy.
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krieg used brute force combined with both guns and spear
Kreigs style was using all sorts of weapons a sort of soldier
,arlong fight with his merman powers and his spear
Arlongs only weapon was that saw sword, mermen powers isn't weapon he's just stronger and faster than a human. If we go by that logic zoro uses zoro powers to lift buildings.
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crocodile use his sand power and his hook fighting style
His hook was clearly a secondary style for when he saw his logia didn't work, since luffy always came back.
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ener use his thunder attacks and his trident
His trident was clearly a secondary style reserved for when his lightning didn't work (luffy anyone). He won't use it if his lightning didn't work and I don't think you can say trident>>>>lightning
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lucci use the rokushiki along with the zoan power .
Zoan power increases strength and speed it isn't a style, his rokushiki is his most powerful style.
It's the OP formula , you got at least 2 way to fight , with mihawk we know that his main style is swordmanship BECAUSE he was introduced as the world greatest SWORDMAN, that's pretty clear and i have no doubt about it.
Yeah one primary style and one secondary style.
Don't over estimate mihawk or it will end like ulquiora in bleach ( those who have heard of the last chapter know what i'm talking about) .
I don't watch bleach so I can't comment on that. All I can say is Mihawk is zoro's dream, the end of the road, the finale. This guarantee's has to be one of the last bosses.
Shanks even has ki which zoro has also shown to have, which shows another similarity to a swordsman
Im tired of this discussion , you are free to disagree with me as long as you understand what i was trying to say which was "we don't know if shanks is a swordman ONLY so we can't affirm as if it is a fact that mihawk is stronger than him".
I'm not discussing the fact that mihawk is the better swordman of the 2, THAT is totally true , mihawk is the better swordman .
Im tired of this discussion , you are free to disagree with me as long as you understand what i was trying to say which was "we don't know if shanks is a swordman ONLY so we can't affirm as if it is a fact that mihawk is stronger than him".
I'm not discussing the fact that mihawk is the better swordman of the 2, THAT is totally true , mihawk is the better swordman .
Mihawk has WORLD-CLASS POWER along with WHITEBEARD!!!!! There are only TWo, just two men in the One Piece World with THAT kind of power and Neither of them is Shanks. Which means Mihawk is more powerful than Shanks.
Mihawk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shanks.
Mihawk has WORLD-CLASS POWER along with WHITEBEARD!!!!! There are only TWo, just two men in the One Piece World with THAT kind of power and Neither of them is Shanks. Which means Mihawk is more powerful than Shanks.
Mihawk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shanks.
This is ignorance if I have ever seen it. Only 2 people with "World-Class" power in the One Piece World? Im sure you can put people like Aokiji, the other admirals, Sengoku, Blackbeard and the other Yonkou on the same level.
@Sentient:
This is ignorance if I have ever seen it. Only 2 people with "World-Class" power in the One Piece World? Im sure you can put people like Aokiji, the other admirals, Sengoku, Blackbeard and the other Yonkou on the same level.
[[B]World's Strongest Swordsman]
["Mihawk the Hawk-Eyed"][[B]Strongest Man in the World]
[The Great Pirate "Whitebeard"]
[Edward Newgate]
Show me all of the character's that you have mentioned with the WORLD-CLASS power titles!?:getlost:
Superstar, I agree that Mihawk > Shanks and that his main style is swordsmanship, I think Mihawk is only a few steps ahead. HOWEVER i think that both fighters have reached their full capabilities (maybe will improve by a bit near the end) but the gap between these 2 cannot be bridged. And I think Mihawk knows this, thts why he wont challenge him anymore.
True that only WB and Mihawk are the only ones to have been titled world strongest, but still being the best dosent make you leagues ahead of everyone.
Way I see it, anyone that belongs to a world power, Admirals, Yonkou, Shichibukai (only the top tier ones), RIVAL (not equal) them.
I mean in WB's speech to Shanks, he was refering to Sengoku and Garp, and you could tell he respected them.
Oh also Lucci Da Pimp about the cutting elements, there was one reference I found, however the credibility of it is kind of lacking. It was a scene that was extended (not really filler) but Zoro mentions that "fire, water, wind… things without a substance can be cut." If you want I can try to dig that post up because its got the direct quote and link.
Also I think when you get to high tier, like WB, Mihawk, Shanks, you have to be a jack of all trades. (lol makes you wonder how Luffy is going to become a king...)
EDIT Oh also I just wanted to say that unlike Shanks who has the "spirit" thing I think that Mihawk has his own "unique" ability like that. I think hes called Hawkeyes not only caus his eyes resembles a hawk, but it can strike so much fear into his opponent. sort of like what Sasuke has but without the wacky illusions ; )
@Kma:
Superstar, I agree that Mihawk > Shanks and that his main style is swordsmanship, I think Mihawk is only a few steps ahead. HOWEVER i think that both fighters have reached their full capabilities (maybe will improve by a bit near the end) but the gap between these 2 cannot be bridged. And I think Mihawk knows this, thts why he wont challenge him anymore.
True that only WB and Mihawk are the only ones to have been titled world strongest, but still being the best dosent make you leagues ahead of everyone.
Way I see it, anyone that belongs to a world power, Admirals, Yonkou, Shichibukai (only the top tier ones), RIVAL (not equal) them.
I mean in WB's speech to Shanks, he sounded he was refering to Sengoku and Garp, and you could tell he respected them.
KMA you always have good posts and I agree with everything in your post. The Greatest always seem to have someone who can challenge them. Goood job.
after the recent chapters i made some conclusions,luffy will beat moria cuz many shadows are stolen and there is no point in running away now
so since luffy will beat moria he deserves his bounty and even a bigger one
and since sky splitting with one clash is impossible for luffy or zoro right now i strongly believe that there are pirates light years ahead of others and what usopp said about aokiji and that he should be hunting pirates worth billions propably is true
since luffy will have beat 2 schichibukai (after this arc) but on the same time he will be so far away from shanks,mihawk,WB,BB i have no reason not to believe that each power has 2-3 people that gather almost all the group's power and the rest are flies compared to them
so i believe the schichibukai were created cuz those 2-3 people couldn't be caught and the others just fill the group for intimidation purposes,like BB said a man worth 100 mil or more would do the job to make him a schichibukai
but IMO there are schichibukai that would have to go all out to kill a man worth 100 mil and others that could do it with their hands and legs tied
or at least WB + shanks = mihawk + jinbei (or BB) and the other 2 yonkou=the rest 5 schichibukai or something like that
and for the marines if 300 VA exist due to marines HQ=schichibukai and luffy beating 2,lucci was stronger than the average VA and the VA that are powerhouses (by this i mean near the admirals level) are exceptions
Of course Lucci is stronger than a VA! Lucci's power rivals a Shichibukai's!
No, one VA who everuoe knows is VA Garp, he was the only one who could corner Gol D Roger, rihgt?
And Shanks isnt a Yonkuo for nothing..
Even Robin knows about him and think he is a powerful eprson..
Show me all of the character's that you have mentioned with the WORLD-CLASS power titles!?:getlost:
Just because they haven't been introduced that much into the storyline yet, does not mean they don't hold world class power. I highly doubt a member of the shichibukai holds more power than the FLEET ADMIRAL. You can also assume that the other admirals are incredibly strong, we have already seen Aokiji totally own the Straw Hats. And I am sure you can be smart enough to infer that the other 2 Yonkou are somewhere near Whitebeard's power level, or they wouldn't be part of the 4 Emperors. Please look a little deeper than just what the manga tells you.
after the recent chapters i made some conclusions,luffy will beat moria cuz many shadows are stolen and there is no point in running away now
so since luffy will beat moria he deserves his bounty and even a bigger one
Agreed
and since sky splitting with one clash is impossible for luffy or zoro right now i strongly believe that there are pirates light years ahead of others and what usopp said about aokiji and that he should be hunting pirates worth billions propably is true
Look at episode 304, Luffy breaking 2 parts of large buildling with his giant ass fist, making Lucci's insane tekkai look like some doll, thats pretty impressive, almost as impressive as splitting clouds imo. I doubt the 4 emperors are light years away from the strength of the Straw Hats, but they are definately stronger right now. Aokiji was interested in Robin only and also wanted to find out the strength of the Straw Hats as a potential threat to the government.
since luffy will have beat 2 schichibukai (after this arc) but on the same time he will be so far away from shanks,mihawk,WB,BB i have no reason not to believe that each power has 2-3 people that gather almost all the group's power and the rest are flies compared to them
Again, I don't think so. Crocodile was the weakest of the Shichibukai. However, do not underestimate Moria, it will not be a quick fight in which Luffy totally owns him. I am willing to bet it will be a fight similar to Crocodile's, which will take many rounds, remember his former bounty is higher than Luffy's. Also, if they did not care about the rest of the group's strength compared to 2 of them, why not just recruit Blackbeard now as a replacement for Crocodile and not care about his strength? The whole purpose of the Shichibukai is balance of power, to keep some of the very strong pirates on the WG's side so the pirates do not become too powerful.
so i believe the schichibukai were created cuz those 2-3 people couldn't be caught and the others just fill the group for intimidation purposes,like BB said a man worth 100 mil or more would do the job to make him a schichibukai
Read above post. Also, Blackbeard was targeting a man of 100mil bounty, if he beats him he will get a bounty ABOVE that. Also, that is only what he thought would be right for the Shichibukai, not what IS right for being recruiting into the Shichibukai, don't take what BB says as fact please.
but IMO there are schichibukai that would have to go all out to kill a man worth 100 mil and others that could do it with their hands and legs tied
Back up these groundless statements please.
or at least WB + shanks = mihawk + jinbei (or BB) and the other 2 yonkou=the rest 5 schichibukai or something like that
We have no idea of the strength of Jimbei, we haven't even SEEN him yet, how can you make that assumption?
and for the marines if 300 VA exist due to marines HQ=schichibukai and luffy beating 2,lucci was stronger than the average VA and the VA that are powerhouses (by this i mean near the admirals level) are exceptions
I doubt there are 300 Vice Admirals, after all there are only 3 admirals. I would go along the lines of say maybe 15-20 admirals. And yes, I will agree that Lucci was stronger than your average Vice Admiral.
@Sentient:
Just because they haven't been introduced that much into the storyline yet, does not mean they don't hold world class power. I highly doubt a member of the shichibukai holds more power than the FLEET ADMIRAL. You can also assume that the other admirals are incredibly strong, we have already seen Aokiji totally own the Straw Hats. And I am sure you can be smart enough to infer that the other 2 Yonkou are somewhere near Whitebeard's power level, or they wouldn't be part of the 4 Emperors. Please look a little deeper than just what the manga tells you.
I go by what is stated and Whitebeard and Mihawk is said to have world-class power. Way I see it, anyone that belongs to a world power, can RIVAL (not equal) Whitebeard and Mihawk. Also, I am looking deeper then what the manga tells me, cause if you look at it Mihawk and Whitebeard are WALKING dreams! Those two characters are Luffy and Zoro's ambitions after all. Whitebeard and Mihawk are at the top of the chain until stated or shown otherwise.
I go by what is stated and Whitebeard and Mihawk is said to have world-class power. Way I see it, anyone that belongs to a world power, can RIVAL (not equal) Whitebeard and Mihawk. Also, I am looking deeper then what the manga tells me, cause if you look at it Mihawk and Whitebeard are WALKING dreams! Those two characters are Luffy and Zoro's ambitions after all. Whitebeard and Mihawk are at the top of the chain until stated or shown otherwise.
Whitebeard is not King of the Pirates, Luffy is not after his ambition. Mihawk may be the strongest swordsman, but he is for sure not the strongest pirate, I think for sure Aokiji could beat him. I am also willing to bet that the Fleet Admiral Sengoku could wipe the floor with him. I haven't even included the Gorosei, and who knows how strong they are. Whitebeard may be close to the top of the chain, but Mihawk is most definately farther down. I bet any of the admirals could defeat him, as well the Gorosei, mainly because they most likely have other techniques than just sword fighting, which can prove to be more powerful.
Luffy's dream is actually based on Gold Roger, since he WAS the PK. WB is just closer to becoming PK. Unlike with Mihawk, who IS the greatest swordsman, not will be the greatest swordsman.
@Sentient:
Whitebeard is not King of the Pirates, Luffy is not after his ambition. Mihawk may be the strongest swordsman, but he is for sure not the strongest pirate, I think for sure Aokiji could beat him. I am also willing to bet that the Fleet Admiral Sengoku could wipe the floor with him. I haven't even included the Gorosei, and who knows how strong they are. Whitebeard may be close to the top of the chain, but Mihawk is most definately farther down. I bet any of the admirals could defeat him, as well the Gorosei, mainly because they most likely have other techniques than just sword fighting, which can prove to be more powerful.
So, your saying Mihawk a guy who has World-class power along with Whitebeard would get his @#$ kicked by Aokiji? :wassat: Whitebeard is the "closest man to One Piece" and that is where Luffy is trying to get, Zoro is Mihawk's dream. At the end of the story our heroes will have these positions and become the TOP fighters of the World. Mihawk is AT the TOP with Whitebeard because of their World-Class power.
@Sentient:
Whitebeard is not King of the Pirates, Luffy is not after his ambition. Mihawk may be the strongest swordsman, but he is for sure not the strongest pirate,
Whitebeard is the strongest man in OP, that's a direct quote from Oda.
Mihawk is the only other person in OP with a World class title, given to him directly from oda. He's been held in high regard by whitebeard and is in a group which equals the yonkou. His mere appearance stops a possible fight between sengoku and doflamingo. He's also zoro's dream, so he's guaranteed to be a last boss.
I think for sure Aokiji could beat him.
Well that's your opinion, from what's said in the manga mihawk looks alot stronger.
I am also willing to bet that the Fleet Admiral Sengoku could wipe the floor with him. I haven't even included the Gorosei, and who knows how strong they are.
Aokiji is meant to be the strongest marine, so sengoku being stronger looks slim. Sengoku was shocked when he was about to fight doflamingo from mihawks appearance, shows mihawk is feared even from him.
The gorosei aren't even a power they command the Marine hq, so they aren't in mihawks league.
Whitebeard may be close to the top of the chain, but Mihawk is most definately farther down.
Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world, mihawk won't be far behind.
I bet any of the admirals could defeat him, as well the Gorosei, mainly because they most likely have other techniques than just sword fighting, which can prove to be more powerful.
Swordsman techniques are one of the most powerful there are, look at zoro he mixes his ki with his lastest attack. The fact that the future PK has an equal shows the power of swordsmen
You beat me to it superstar
Whitebeard is the strongest man in OP, that's a direct quote from Oda.
Mihawk is the only other person in OP with a World class title, given to him directly from oda. He's been held in high regard by whitebeard and is in a group which equals the yonkou. His mere appearance stops a possible fight between sengoku and doflamingo. He's also zoro's dream, so he's guaranteed to be a last boss.
I never said Whitebeard wasn't the strongest man, I just said he wasn't the King of Pirates, which is Luffy's ambition, I doubt Luffy even knows what Whitebeard looks like. You guys are taking my argument way out of proportion, Im not trying to say Mihawk is weak, I am trying to say that there are other people on a similar power level.
Well that's your opinion, from what's said in the manga mihawk looks alot stronger.
Do sword blows work on an ice man?
Aokiji is meant to be the strongest marine, so sengoku being stronger looks slim. Sengoku was shocked when he was about to fight doflamingo from mihawks appearance, shows mihawk is feared even from him.
If Aokiji was the strongest, he would be fleet admiral, do not underestimate Sengoku. Im not sure whats meant by your next statement, so I will go watch the scene again.
The gorosei aren't even a power they command the Marine hq, so they aren't in mihawks league.
They have to have some type of power to command the marines, I doubt they are weak, who would take orders from some weak ass?
Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world, mihawk won't be far behind.
Swordsman techniques are one of the most powerful there are, look at zoro he mixes his ki with his lastest attack. The fact that the future PK has an equal shows the power of swordsmen
Zoro is not an equal to Luffy, Luffy is stronger, but I will agree he is not far behind. Also, the techniques I am talking about are more logia type devil fruits, there is still wind, earth etc…left unintroduced, which I am sure someone will have. In addition, there will probably other techniques that rival sword techniques, similar to those of CP9's.
You beat me to it superstar
You guys are missing the point really. You all are saying that "oh em gee, Whitebeard and Mihawk are so strong everyone else suxxx!!!" This is obviously not the case, since there are many devil fruits and other techniques which rival their power.
[[/B]QUOTE=Sentient]**Do sword blows work on an ice man?
Mihawk is the STRONGEST Swordsman in the World for a reason!
You guys are missing the point really. You all are saying that "oh em gee, Whitebeard and Mihawk are so strong everyone else suxxx!!!" This is obviously not the case, since there are many devil fruits and other techniques which rival their power
Rival yes, but not EQUAL Mihawk and Whitebeard. That is the difference when someone is World-Class.**
[[/B]QUOTE=Sentient]**Do sword blows work on an ice man?
Mihawk is the STRONGEST Swordsman in the World for a reason!
It has never been stated anywhere that he has defeated anyone with Logia power.
Rival yes, but not EQUAL Mihawk and Whitebeard. That is the difference when someone is World-Class.
You must have world-class power to govern the world, no?**
I thought when you said king of pirates you meant strongest, so as long as you know whitebeard is the strongest that's fine.
Shanks and whitebeard split the sky, something that cannot be cut, so cutting a logia should be a piece of cake.
I thought when you said king of pirates you meant strongest, so as long as you know whitebeard is the strongest that's fine.
Shanks and whitebeard split the sky, something that cannot be cut, so cutting a logia should be a piece of cake.
The impact of their strikes sent an air wave which cut the sky in two, not their actual swords.
@Sentient:
The impact of their strikes sent an air wave which cut the sky in two, not their actual swords.
The source of the air waves is tracked down to the sword, so the sword created it. Meaning a sword can cut things without substance, there's also the breath of all things that can cut ALL things. Mihawk will have a superior version and then there's something kma said about cutting wind earth fire.
oh crap not another "they are stronger! no they are equal!" - thread.
Gorlom this is quite the opposite now, Shanks and whitebeard cut something which cannot be cut. It's proven in the manga, I'll agree the breath of all things isn't proven yet. Even though the name and what it was shown doing tells it all.
But Shanks and whitebeard have already cut the uncuttable, that's undeniable
It took the strength of both whitebeard and shanks to cut the cloud, and I doubt Mihawk has the combined strength of those too.
wasn't it the cloud that was split?, even if it was or not, you can cut fire, thunder, ice, sand etc.. all you want it, wouldn't harm a logia users true body while they're transformed, as far as we know unless you use kairoseki or their respective weakness a logia user can't be harmed (exept BB). Unless Oda confirms it, Mihawk's Kokutou Yoru has to be kairoseki to harm logias or he can't hurt them at all
@Sentient:
It took the strength of both whitebeard and shanks to cut the cloud, and I doubt Mihawk has the combined strength of those too.
You forget that was a no-named slash, a named move from one of these two behemoths could possibly shake the earth. It also wasn't a cloud the direct quote says" The cl clou…NO the SKY has been Split!!"
I guess, but also like cp9luchi said, unless Mihawk's sword is made of seastone, which it might be, oda has not stated a way to harm a logia user yet through a physical blow.