About what shanks and garp said and asura

[SabZ]

How do you know Oda didn't dim the chart down? The bar HAD to be that big, because there were only six points it could go on. But again… you ignore the fact that Oda may have dimmed it down from a mathmatical analysis.

OIP, your logic is awful. The chart doesn't fully prove nothing. The fight wasn't long enough.

Provide better proof please, instead of showing the fact that you can't analyse charts well.

A dimmed down chart has 6 different points... but Oda's intentions in background build up are not clear. Unless you know something.

EDIT: I don't have as much time as you...

in a bit.

[wolfwood]

@AD-HD:

We don't even know is it a state or not.

well true we dont know if it is a "state" like Gears but i belive that both Sanjis and Zoros upgrade works pretty much the same way as Luffys gears(that is that they can use it and augment their other techniques) and gives them a way to retain their equal footing with Luffy.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

How do you know Oda didn't dim the chart down? The bar HAD to be that big, because there were only six points it could go on. But again… you ignore the fact that Oda may have dimmed it down from a mathmatical analysis.

This is like asking how do you know zoro's hair isn't really green or how do you know luffy is really made of rubber? Someone would answer you with proof and you would ignore it, they'd say.

Luffy is proven to be rubber becuase he stretches and you'd say "that could possibly be camera trick PROVE to me it isn't"

They'd then say "Bullets bounce of luffy proving he is rubber" you'd then say"PROVE to me the bullets aren't made of rubber"

OIP, your logic is awful. The chart doesn't fully prove nothing. The fight wasn't long enough.

Ignored both their best moves being equal eh? I think your logic is awful.

Provide better proof please, instead of showing the fact that you can't analyse charts well.

There is no better prove, the authors words is above all. All you are showing is you can't read without imagining your own outcomes.

A dimmed down chart has 6 different points… but Oda's intentions in background build up are not clear. Unless you know something.

SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS IT DUMMED DOWN!! The chart only shows what Oda intended you to see and having his ending already completed he knows the stats of his own characters.

EDIT: I don't have as much time as you…

in a bit.

I disagree you must have an infinitr amount of time to think up all these theories. Do you carry a notebook around with you everywhere righting down each theory that pop's up into your head?

@AD-HD:

Two things:
1: Asura is way more different move than gear 2. In Asura, Zoro just get more swords. Nothing more. We don't even know is it a state or not.

It's a state zoro says asura, he then changes form. From that state he uses that mist attack. This proves asura is a new stance (e.g santouryu and nitouryu)

2. Luffy have gear 3 also.

Gear 3 is worthless against zoro that's why I didn't include it, if you'd just read my posts you'd understand. It's too slow and is incredibly unbalanced.

[AD-HD Pirate]

OIP, you are relying to that chart, right?

So, how dumb you have to be to not understand that things have changed?

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@AD-HD:

OIP, you are relying to that chart, right?

Yes I'm relying on ODA'S WORDS

So, how dumb you have to be to not understand that things have changed?

You have no place to talk you just agree with everyone 100% of the time.

Both zoro and luffy have improved and each of them has a new state why aren't they still equal? There is nothing that sets them apart if anything one could say luffy has no way to defend asura. Although since I'm not a fanboy I know they are equal.

[wolfwood]

@ONEinchPUNCH:

Gear 3 is worthless against zoro that's why I didn't include it, if you'd just read my posts you'd understand. It's too slow and is incredibly unbalanced.

now it has been a while since i read it but didnt gear 3 work just fine against Lucchi who is atleast as fast as both of em ?

[yvj]

Gear 3 is worthless against zoro that's why I didn't include it, if you'd just read my posts you'd understand. It's too slow and is incredibly unbalanced.

Slow? Lucchi in his main form was a pretty fast SOB and he couldn't dodge gear three. Lucchi had to sacrifice some of his power to change into a speedy form just to dodge those attacks.

1. Zorro doesn't have the quickness of Lucchi's "Speedy" (for lack of a better term) form.

2. Remember Zorro doesn't even bother dodging attacks anyway see Mr. 1 fight

I think you underestimate the destructive power of Gear Three.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@yvj:

[q]Gear 3 is worthless against zoro that's why I didn't include it, if you'd just read my posts you'd understand. It's too slow and is incredibly unbalanced.

Slow? Lucchi in his main form was a pretty fast SOB and he couldn't dodge gear three. Lucchi had to sacrifice some of his power to change into a speedy form just to dodge those attacks.

There is a direct quote from the manga of lucci saying luffy sacrifices speed of something, so get your facts straight before posting.

1. Zorro doesn't have the quickness of Lucchi's "Speedy" (for lack of a better term) form.

Zoro is easily dismissed kakus soru, zoro is in no way or form "slow"

2. Remember Zorro doesn't even bother dodging attacks anyway see Mr. 1 fight ;)

He got hit by attacks he couldn't dodge since mr1 was a good match for zoro.

I think you underestimate the destructive power of Gear Three.

No gear 3 is extremely powerful, it's just too slow.

@ Wolfwood there is a quote of lucci saying he sacrifices speed in gear 3

[yvj]

BTW number 2 wasn't totally serious

There is a direct quote from the manga of lucci saying luffy sacrifices speed of something, so get your facts straight before posting.

Hey as the late great Rodney Dangerfield once said "let's keep it fair, keep it fair"

I think he was referring to Luffy while he was using gear 2 in which his attacks were incredibly fast. Luffy lost all the speed that he was able to use in gear 2 for the incredible power of Gear 3

This by all means doesn't mean Gear 3 is slow it might just mean it's slower than what Luffy's attacks were when he was using gear 2.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@yvj:

BTW number 2 wasn't serious

Ok no prob

Hey as Rodney Dangerfield said "let's keep it fair, keep it fair"

I think he was referring to Luffy while he was using gear 2 in which his attacks were incredibly fast. Luffy lost all the speed that he was able to use in gear 2 for the incredible power of Gear 3

This by all means doesn't mean Gear 3 is slow it might just mean it's slower than what Luffy's attacks were when he was using gear 2.

Well as long as it's slower than gear 2 luffy it cannot hit zoro, since zoro casually dismissed kaku's soru attempts so I'm not bothered if it's 10x slower or 2x slower.

That's why I didn't add it in a fight with zoro vs luffy

[Radical jack]

see the thing is oda didn't use words he used numbers in a vague chart

Zoro is easily dismissed kakus soru

1.luffy dismissed soru in regular state so dismisng soru doesn't mean anything

2.If you read the fight kaku hardly used soru.he tried to fight him straight up

3.Blocking a soru attack doesnt mean dismissing it

4.they are higher forms of soru(take nero as and example.)its good speculation that lucchi's was the top form .lucci and kaku soru are at a difference

5.saying luffy wouldn't hit him at high speeds just becaused he blocked kaku's soru doesn't make sense.

6.Again soru is just fat movement it has nothing to do with upgraded techniques

also in addition.the words he used against blueno,lucchi and actions towards aokiji are little hints oda gives us toward him being stronger than everybody else.If you chosse to ignore it compleatly,hey thats you

why do people dismiss douriki?even if it is athletic ability?if its so useless why did even bother testng it?why do people dismiss kaku's inexperience with dfs?

Im also guessing holding zoro down and smashing him with gear 3 is imposssble.

[yvj]

Well as long as it's slower than gear 2 luffy it cannot hit zoro, since zoro casually dismissed kaku's soru attempts so I'm not bothered if it's 10x slower or 2x slower.

Let's take a look at these for a moment

http://www.onepiecehq.com/manga-viewer/index.php?twg_album=Volume+44%2FChapter+422&twg_show=One_Piece-422-11.jpg

From there to here http://www.onepiecehq.com/manga-viewer/index.php?twg_album=Volume+44%2FChapter+422&twg_show=One_Piece-422-11.jpg

I don't see how you can call his Gear Three moves slow on release They look pretty damn quick to me and if we are to take take in acount the massive size of the moves…..Well dude

I need you to explain how you can say Zorro won't get hit by them.

Granted the drawback is that his fist or feet are slow to return to him….but saying Zorro won't get hit

That's a pretty big leap of faith.

[yvj]

why do people dismiss douriki?even if it is athletic ability

I understand in the grand schemes of one piece Douriki don't mean much But come on. Why would Oda make Lucchi's Douriki almost twice as much as Kaku's? Why would he make Kaku and Jybaru's (sp?) Douriki so close? (And Kaku who has the higher Douriki has the least experience with his DF power, which might make them relatively equal in fighting ability) Why would he have Jybura and Kaku bickering and fighting almost exactly like Zorro and Sanji do?

You can interpret those to being evidence of Zorro and Sanji being rivals and equal. It's the same kind of evidence as the Whiskey Peak fight.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@Radical:

see the thing is oda didn't use words he used numbers in a vague chart

Vague is your own theory, Oda doesn't say it's vague.

1.luffy dismissed soru in regular state so dismisng soru doesn't mean anything

It means luffy and zoro are both above soru

2.If you read the fight kaku hardly used soru.he tried to fight him straight up

Because it was worthless it didn't make a difference against zoro. Why use a move that isn't effective?

3.Blocking a soru attack doesnt mean dismissing it

Zoro didn't have his bandanna on or anything, he easily block it with minimal effort.

4.they are higher forms of soru(take nero as and example.)its good speculation that lucchi's was the top form .lucci and kaku soru are at a difference

So if zoro easily blocked kaku's he'd be in the same position as luffy in the lucchi fight.

5.saying luffy wouldn't hit him at high speeds just becaused he blocked kaku's soru doesn't make sense.

Read phenomenals post luffy clearly says he uses soru while in gear 2, so if zoro easily blocked kaku he would be in the same position as luffy.

6.Again soru is just fat movement it has nothing to do with upgraded techniques

Luffy says he uses soru in gear 2, all other techniques are just stronger due to what he does with his body. You saw how devasting just one of zoros asura stance moves was, it looked far more powerful than luffys gear 2 moves.

But since I'm not a fanboy like you I still agree with ODA and say they are equal.

also in addition.the words he used against blueno,lucchi and actions towards aokiji are little hints oda gives us toward him being stronger than everybody else.If you chosse to ignore it compleatly,hey thats you

That's just your opinion it isn't fact at all, It could also mean a captin has to take reponsibility for his crew. That's my interpretation of that scene, I can't prove your theory wrong and you can't prove mine wrong.

why do people dismiss douriki?even if it is athletic ability?if its so useless why did even bother testng it?why do people dismiss kaku's inexperience with dfs?

Because a swordsman wouldn't need as much, it all depends on your style.

Im also guessing holding zoro down and smashing him with gear 3 is imposssble.

I'm guessing if zoro uses asura luffy cannot block it.

EDIT. "Lucci: It seems that your increase in power comes at a cost to your speed." Lucci says this after dodging all luffys attacks, doesn't look fast to me.

[Radical jack]

Vague is your own theory, Oda doesn't say it's vague.

oda didn't say say anything. thats my point.

It means luffy and zoro are both above soru

Because it was worthless it didn't make a difference against zoro. Why use a move that isn't effective?

So if zoro easily blocked kaku's he'd be in the same position as luffy in the lucchi fight.

luffy's movements in gear 2nd were equally a match with lucchis's soru.
going by what you said above,Lucchi used soru all the time against luffy,And it was quite effective.As for blueno it was quite worthless,which helps me prove my point that soru is faster depending of how much experience you have with it.Just because zoro eaisly ''dismissed'' kaku's soru doesn't mean he would do so to lucchi or luffy.

Luffy says he uses soru in gear 2, all other techniques are just stronger due to what he does with his body. You saw how devasting just one of zoros asura stance moves was, it looked far more powerful than luffys gear 2 moves.

But since I'm not a fanboy like you I still agree with ODA and say they are equal.

*sigh,whats the point of trying to insult me?its making you look even worst.
do my post effect you that much

Because a swordsman wouldn't need as much, it all depends on your style.

sorry I don't know what you mean by this

I'm guessing if zoro uses asura luffy cannot block it.

Im guessing luffy can't dodge it,he'll just stand there awe inspired like kaku and get owned

[MAcobo]

Just because you can follow and react to fast movement, doesn't mean that you can actually move as fast.

sigh
This topic has came nowhere despite the 991 posts.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@Radical:

oda didn't say say anything. thats my point.

Right in a history book an author doesn't say anything about his graphs he just puts it next to the information he is giving. So because he doesn't say anything it's no true?

Wrong if it is vague it will be specified like when someone writes "not to scale" next to something, Oda does nothing of the sort so it must be taken seriously.

movements in gear 2nd were equally a match with lucchis's soru.
going by what you said above,Lucchi used soru all the time against luffy,And it was quite effective.As for blueno it was quite worthless,which helps me prove my point that soru is faster depending of how much experience you have with it.Just because zoro eaisly ''dismissed'' kaku's soru doesn't mean he would do so to lucchi or luffy.

Being equal to luffy zoro is just as experienced against soru as luffy, as he was showed easily dodging kaku.

*sigh,whats the point of trying to insult me?its making you look even worst.

I'm just stating the obvious, it's clear you are blinded by fanboyism. You ignore facts from the author so that your favourite character looks better.

do my post effect you that much

Your posts are worless and are always proven wrong.

sorry I don't know what you mean by this

You wouldn't

Im guessing luffy can't dodge it,he'll just stand there awe inspired like kaku and get owned

I'm guessing zoro wouldn't dodge gear 3, he'd let luffy grab him instead of chopping his fingers off and get owned.

[Radical jack]

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[SabZ]

OIP you still here? C'mon seriously… the joke you made about my time was okay... but now I'm being serious.

If Oda didn't say that he dimmed down the chart from a mathmatical analysis, means that you are speculating that he didn't. So you can erase that from your poor arguement.

[gamistras]

it's ridiculous,oda said it in the red book,why can't someone accept that the main character of this manga has an equal?

is it so hard? why can't zoro and luffy be equals? cuz zoro's opponents are weaker? yes they are but also they are stated to have the same strenght,that means nothing?

sure every luffy fan wants shanks to be equal to mihawk and zoro weaker than luffy when the obvious is that zoro is equal to luffy and shanks is weaker than mihawk

[SabZ]

@gamistras:

it's ridiculous,oda said it in the red book,why can't someone accept that the main character of this manga has an equal?

is it so hard? why can't zoro and luffy be equals? cuz zoro's opponents are weaker? yes they are but also they are stated to have the same strenght,that means nothing?

sure every luffy fan wants shanks to be equal to mihawk and zoro weaker than luffy when the obvious is that zoro is equal to luffy and shanks is weaker than mihawk

Stated to have the same strength. Um… show me where.

[wolfwood]

ehhh when was it ever made obvious that Shanks is weaker than Mihawk ? so far they have never fought on screen hell weve barley even seen them fight at all and nor do you have a data book rating on which you can base your argument on so i dont see any airtight case for that.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

OIP you still here? C'mon seriously… the joke you made about my time was okay... but now I'm being serious.

I've got a laptop, I can connect whenever I please

If Oda didn't say that he dimmed down the chart from a mathmatical analysis, means that you are speculating that he didn't. So you can erase that from your poor arguement.

Wrong your precious dimmed down proof is non-existant, while me saying each of the twos bars reach the MAX, If they weren't equal they're bars wouldn't have the EXACT SAME amount of sunstance. One would be 1mm lower or higher than the other, too bad they are EXACT.

[gamistras]

@$abZ:

Stated to have the same strength. Um… show me where.

um…. red data book

@wolfwood:

ehhh when was it ever made obvious that Shanks is weaker than Mihawk ? so far they have never fought on screen hell weve barley even seen them fight at all and nor do you have a data book rating on which you can base your argument on so i dont see any airtight case for that.

er… mihawk is the best SM and shanks is a SM

[SabZ]

@ONEinchPUNCH:

Wrong your precious dimmed down proof is non-existant, while me saying each of the twos bars reach the MAX, If they weren't equal they're bars wouldn't have the EXACT SAME amount of sunstance. One would be 1mm lower or higher than the other, too bad they are EXACT.

You need to know how a chart works.

Since Oda based it out of six, there can only be six different points on the y axis on the graph, because there's only 6 numbers. Regardless on whether Zoro JUST made a 6 and Luffy easily made a 6, the graph would NOT reveal the answer.

As I've said, the bar graph you are talking about could be a result of a mathmatical analysis of PLs dimmed down. Oda might not have wanted to explain to us just yet the exact powers of Luffy and Zoro, so he worked it out himself and dimmed it down.

Since you think that the chart COMPLETELY PROVES that Luffy and Zoro are equal, then please prove to me that the chart wasn't dimmed down and that Oda placed them exactly equal (bearing in mind my mathmatical theory Oda might have done).

Oda said nothing about how he produced the graph… so you're speculating.

The chart doesn't do your arguement many favours.

[Radical jack]

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[gamistras]

@$abZ:

You need to know how a chart works.

Since Oda based it out of six, there can only be six different points on the y axis on the graph, because there's only 6 numbers. Regardless on whether Zoro JUST made a 6 and Luffy easily made a 6, the graph would NOT reveal the answer.

As I've said, the bar graph you are talking about could be a result of a mathmatical analysis of PLs dimmed down. Oda might not have wanted to explain to us just yet the exact powers of Luffy and Zoro, so he worked it out himself and dimmed it down.

Since you think that the chart COMPLETELY PROVES that Luffy and Zoro are equal, then please prove to me that the chart wasn't dimmed down and that Oda placed them exactly equal (bearing in mind my mathmatical theory Oda might have done).

Oda said nothing about how he produced the graph… so you're speculating.

The chart doesn't do your arguement many favours.

i think you are in a denial mode,if oda wanted to show luffy was slightly stronger he would put a little star or something or zoro would be a 5

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

You need to know how a chart works.

Since Oda based it out of six, there can only be six different points on the y axis on the graph, because there's only 6 numbers. Regardless on whether Zoro JUST made a 6 and Luffy easily made a 6, the graph would NOT reveal the answer.

You keep saying I don't understand how a chart works, I now know who is misinformed. Just because there are only 6 categories it doesn't make 6 the max number in each one. So Oda could have made each categorie worth 10 if he wanted, he didn't and their still equal. Each ones bar reaches the max limit, that isn't neccesary unless they are both at MAX. Which they are, so they are equal.

As I've said, the bar graph you are talking about could be a result of a mathmatical analysis of PLs dimmed down. Oda might not have wanted to explain to us just yet the exact powers of Luffy and Zoro, so he worked it out himself and dimmed it down.

Unless a chart says something along the lines of "not to scale" it means it is to be taken seriously. So that theory of yours is void, it's you rturn to bring something new to the table.

Since you think that the chart COMPLETELY PROVES that Luffy and Zoro are equal, then please prove to me that the chart wasn't dimmed down and that Oda placed them exactly equal (bearing in mind my mathmatical theory Oda might have done).

Read above^

Oda said nothing about how he produced the graph… so you're speculating.

I'm actually using lifes simple laws now if it isn't correct it must be stated and since it isn't stated the chart is correct.

The chart doesn't do your arguement many favours.

Oh but it does you just like to ignore it and your own words are @#$% the yellow book!!!

[yvj]

@yvj:

Well as long as it's slower than gear 2 luffy it cannot hit zoro, since zoro casually dismissed kaku's soru attempts so I'm not bothered if it's 10x slower or 2x slower.

Let's take a look at these for a moment

http://www.onepiecehq.com/manga-viewer/index.php?twg_album=Volume+44%2FChapter+422&twg_show=One_Piece-422-11.jpg

From there to here http://www.onepiecehq.com/manga-viewer/index.php?twg_album=Volume+44%2FChapter+422&twg_show=One_Piece-422-11.jpg

I don't see how you can call his Gear Three moves slow on release They look pretty damn quick to me and if we are to take take in acount the massive size of the moves…..Well dude

I need you to explain how you can say Zorro won't get hit by them.

Granted the drawback is that his fist or feet are slow to return to him….but saying Zorro won't get hit

That's a pretty big leap of faith.

Quote:
why do people dismiss douriki?even if it is athletic ability

I understand in the grand schemes of one piece Douriki don't mean much But come on. Why would Oda make Lucchi's Douriki almost twice as much as Kaku's? Why would he make Kaku and Jybaru's (sp?) Douriki so close? (And Kaku who has the higher Douriki has the least experience with his DF power, which might make them relatively equal in fighting ability) Why would he have Jybura and Kaku bickering and fighting almost exactly like Zorro and Sanji do?

You can interpret those to being evidence of Zorro and Sanji being rivals and equal. It's the same kind of evidence as the Whiskey Peak fight.

I hate to quote myself but I'd like to get in yall little internet debate here, and I happen to being enjoying myself immensely. Here's hoping I get pwned….

[Angel emfrbl]

Can we stop with Luffy Vs Zoro… For a moment in this thread a several pages back, I was happy we were NOT discussing it. ^-^'

[Radical jack]

Right in a history book an author doesn't say anything about his graphs he just puts it next to the information he is giving. So because he doesn't say anything it's no true?

Wrong if it is vague it will be specified like when someone writes "not to scale" next to something, Oda does nothing of the sort so it must be taken seriously.

how do you know oda didn't put the numbers in tiers,how do you know if the numbers are fixed,Explain how you know all of this.I suppose you know what oda was exavtly thinking when he made the chart

Being equal to luffy zoro is just as experienced against soru as luffy, as he was showed easily dodging kaku.

did even read my post?

I'm just stating the obvious, it's clear you are blinded by fanboyism. You ignore facts from the author so that your favourite character looks better.

LOl

1.luffy isn't my favorite character.

2.what facts Have I ignored? and please don't use the chart because someone xpressed it clearly in one of this posts that we have differnt interpretations of what it means.If you still think im ignoring it…you must be stupid

Your posts are worless and are always proven wrong.

proven wrong?when have you proven me wrong?your the one throwing specultion in the air and trying to magically transform it to facts. you haven't proven jack shit.

You wouldn't

I posted this

why do people dismiss douriki?even if it is athletic ability?if its so useless why did even bother testng it?why do people dismiss kaku's inexperience with dfs?

you posted this

Because a swordsman wouldn't need as much, it all depends on your style

it doesn't make any any goddamn sense to what I posted.

I'm guessing zoro wouldn't dodge gear 3, he'd let luffy grab him instead of chopping his fingers off and get owned.

*sigh you just didn't get my point from the first reply

edit:@yvj I agree 100% if douriki was so useless,oda wouldn't even need to put it in the manga

so much shit getting ignored and im supposed called a fanboy.Oip has zoro fanboy screaming all over him

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@Radical:

how do you know oda didn't put the numbers in tiers,how do you know if the numbers are fixed,Explain how you know all of this.I suppose you know what oda was exavtly thinking when he made the chart

If a charts data is not reliable it must be stated e.g "not to scale" so since it doesn't say that it is to be taken seriously.

did even read my post?

If you don't understand things that isn't my problem, I'm done repeating myself to you.

LOl

1.luffy isn't my favorite character.

So your ignoring facts for fun, that's even worse than fanboyism

2.what facts Have I ignored? and please don't use the chart because someone xpressed it clearly in one of this posts that we have differnt interpretations of what it means.If you still think im ignoring it…you must be stupid

Read the first part it explains how the chart is reliable

proven wrong?when have you proven me wrong?your the one throwing specultion in the air and trying to magically transform it to facts. you haven't proven jack shit.

Scroll back and you'll see how each one of your posts are countered.

you posted this
it doesn't make any any goddamn sense to what I posted.

It means to a swordsman technique is more important than his douriki, so I'm saying douriki doesn't help your argument. So answering anymore of it would be a waste of time, so I gave you the quick answer. Which you don't even understand.

*sigh you just didn't get my point from the first reply

More like you don't have a very deep understanding of anything.

[Final End]

LOL @ Sabz

If Oda wanted Luffy to be stronger then Zoro then Luffy would be a 7, or Zoro would have been a 5 and Luffy a six, but Oda has them as equals.

6 = 6

[yvj]

Damn being ignored really sucks

Well if anybody would like to move on to a new topic. I have a suggestion How about the fact that some people don't consider Dragon to be elite.

I know we haven't seen much from him but damn, he' a D. And not just any old D he's Garp's (A powerul VA who conered GR) son and Luffy's (we all know about Luffy) father. Plus he's trying to bring down the WG something Whitebeard probably wouldn't even dream of doing.

It's hard to see why Dragon isn't even considered be on the same tier as Shanks, Mihawk, and Blackbeard.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@yvj:

Damn being ignored really sucks

I answered your question about gear3 earlier with a direct quote from lucchi and then then just dodges everything luffy uses while in that form.

And I don't take douriki seriously because each type of fighter requires a different amount e.g hand to hand fighters need more.

[Radical jack]

If a charts data is not reliable it must be stated e.g "not to scale" so since it doesn't say that it is to be taken seriously

who is saying its not reliable?in saying its not saying cold cut"their equals as you say it is.

So your ignoring facts for fun, that's even worse than fanboyism

are you even trying to make sense what have I ignored?Stop posting nonsense and post the facts I have ignored.You have resulted to lying and flaming just because you don't have worthy material.

Scroll back and you'll see how each one of your posts are countered

let me sum it up for you.you haven't countered shit.all you say is,its written the data book,have you ignored odas words?6=6,two strongest attacks hitting each other and not phasing anything means they are equal,and then you do useless speculation of a fight that never even happened

Just because you reply to evry post doesn't mean you countered it.

It means to a swordsman technique is more important than his douriki, so I'm saying douriki doesn't help your argument. So answering anymore of it would be a waste of time, so I gave you the quick answer. Which you don't even understand

.

so what your saying is because zoro is a swordsman,douriki can be thrown out the window.gotcha

More like you don't have a very deep understanding of anything.

deep understanding? 6=6 means they are exactly equal.

your right.your brain is superior to mine

[yvj]

And I don't take douriki seriously because each type of fighter requires a different amount e.g hand to hand fighters need more.

But even if YOU don't take douriki seriously that doesn't mean you should ignore it.

Like I said Why would Oda make Lucchi's Douriki almost twice as much as Kaku's? Why would he make Kaku and Jybaru's (sp?) Douriki so close? (And Kaku who has the higher Douriki has the least experience with his DF power, which might make them relatively equal in fighting ability) Why would he have Jybura and Kaku bickering and fighting almost exactly like Zorro and Sanji do?

I could easily use this as evidence that Sanji and Zorro are equal it's no more or less substantial than the infamous incomplete Whiskey Peak fight

And if 6 = 6 Than that means Luffy and Zorro are completely and totally equal. That means Zorro should have every advantage Luffy has and Vice Versa.

There should be no one that Luffy can beat and Zorro can't and there should be no one that Zorro can beat and Luffy can't because six literally = six.

So if we're taking that literally there's nothing Luffy can do that Zorro can't because they're identical.

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And if 6 = 6 Than that means Luffy and Zorro are completely and totally equal. That means Zorro should have every advantage Luffy has and Vice Versa.

LOL come on man…..dont say things like that, Luffy and Zoro are equals, that means they will tie in a fight, just like WB and Gold D Rogers.

There should be no one that Luffy can beat and Zorro can't and there should be no one that Zorro can beat and Luffy can't because six literally = six.

Whitebeard and Rogers are equals because when they fight each other they tied.

So if we're taking that literally there's nothing Luffy can do that Zorro can't because they're identical.

NO go read the data book again, we are not talking about feats….we are talking about a fight between the 2.(luffy and Zoro)

[Radical jack]

@yvj:

But even if YOU don't take douriki seriously that doesn't mean you should ignore it.

Like I said Why would Oda make Lucchi's Douriki almost twice as much as Kaku's? Why would he make Kaku and Jybaru's (sp?) Douriki so close? (And Kaku who has the higher Douriki has the least experience with his DF power, which might make them relatively equal in fighting ability) Why would he have Jybura and Kaku bickering and fighting almost exactly like Zorro and Sanji do?

I could easily use this as evidence that Sanji and Zorro are equal it's no more or less substantial than the infamous incomplete Whiskey Peak fight

And if 6 = 6 Than that means Luffy and Zorro are completely and totally equal. That means Zorro should have every advantage Luffy has and Vice Versa.

There should be no one that Luffy can beat and Zorro can't and there should be no one that Zorro can beat and Luffy can't because six literally = six.

So if we're taking that literally there's nothing Luffy can do that Zorro can't because they're identical.

exactly even taking the account that sanji and zoro beat kaku and jabs
with the same amount of effort.

6=6 has too little going for it to mean they are exactly equals.Its already a given because its deemed usless when fighting somone with a cheesy ppwer.This is one piece we are talking about here.there are two many unpredictable things that happen in a fight to say they if somone is exactly equal in a fight.Its not like we are simulating things in a computer

[yvj]

LOL come on man…..dont say things like that, Luffy and Zoro are equals, that means they will tie in a fight, just like WB and Gold D Rogers.

What's the deal man YOU said six equals six. And if that's true and we follow the chart the way you're talking about then there is no room for intepretation.

If six equals six then I repeat that means Luffy and Zorro are completely and totally equal. That means Zorro should have every advantage Luffy has and Vice Versa.

just like WB and Gold D Rogers

No this is just speculation is their a chart somewhere that says Gold Roger = 7 and Whitbeard =7…...No wait it's SAID IN THE MAGNA THAT THEY"RE EQUAL MY BAD.

[Radical jack]

No this is just speculation is their a chart somewhere that says Gold Roger = 7 and Whitbeard =7…...No wait it's SAID IN THE MAGNA THAT THEY"RE EQUAL MY BAD.

And im sure gold d roger's physically weak crew mate didn't knock them out in one punch

NO go read the data book again, we are not talking about feats….we are talking about a fight between the 2.(luffy and Zoro

so now the data book is saying "this is how its suppose to mean when the sh's fight'' nice analytic skills final end

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What's the deal man YOU said six equals six. And if that's true and we follow the chart the way you're talking about then there is no room for intepretation.

LOL So going by what you say Whitebeard should be Pirate king by now since he equals Gold D Rogers!…..See how repugnant you sound, infact Whitbeard should have been Pirate king at the same time Rogers was Pirate king, since they are equals WB = Rogers.

What bad logic

If six equals six then I reapeat that means Luffy and Zorro are completely and totally equal. That means Zorro should have every advantage Luffy has and Vice Versa.

Then Whitebeard should be pirate king also since he equals Gold D Rogers.

No this just speculation is their a chart somewhere that says Gold Roger = 7 and Whitbeard =7…...No wait it's SAID IN THE MAGNA THAT THEY"RE EQUAL MY BAD.

The manga is canon and the data book is also canon made by Oda…....since Whitebeard equals rogers then they both will have the same number? and going by what you think, Whitebeard should have been Pirate King at the same time as Rogers????????

Rogers is dead yet Whitebeard still is not Pirate King, but he equals Rogers looks like your logic is bad.

[yvj]

Final End what are you talking about. You can't even understand people's post and you're trying to argue with logic?

LOL So going by what you say Whitebeard should be Pirate king by now since he equals Gold D Rogers!…..See how repugnant you sound, infact Whitbeard should have been Pirate king at the same time Rogers was Pirate king, since they are equals WB = Rogers.

What bad logic

When did I say that you crazy Kook. You're making stuff up baby. I'm talking about teh chart.

You said 6=6 so I'm saying if that is the case Luffy and Zoro should have no advantages over each other in every battle because they're equal.

You're the one who brought up WB and GR

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@Radical:

who is saying its not reliable?in saying its not saying cold cut"their equals as you say it is.

All the data book says is 6=6, from that you can only determine one thing.

THEY ARE EQUAL

are you even trying to make sense what have I ignored?Stop posting nonsense and post the facts I have ignored.You have resulted to lying and flaming just because you don't have worthy material.

You ignore 6=6 saying it could be this and could be that. You also ignore the fact both luffy and zoro have received new states only highlighting the gears.

let me sum it up for you.you haven't countered shit.all you say is,its written the data book,have you ignored odas words?6=6,two strongest attacks hitting each other and not phasing anything means they are equal,and then you do useless speculation of a fight that never even happened

And all you say is it could be this, it might be that, the graph is a rough version. You have no facts whatsoever backing up our claims, so how can a post full of speculation beat facts?

Just because you reply to evry post doesn't mean you countered it.

Everytime you specualte I show you facts.
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so what your saying is because zoro is a swordsman,douriki can be thrown out the window.gotcha

If your going to be an idiot I'll try spoon feeding, A SWORDSMAN needs more TECHNIQUE to fight. Douriki isn't as much a priority as TECHNIQUE while a BRAWLER, HAND TO HAND FIGHTER needs more douriki.

Understand?

deep understanding? 6=6 means they are exactly equal.

It's quite obvious I'm talking about fighting styles different needs, but you like be to a clown don't you?

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deep understanding? 6=6 means they are exactly equal.
It's quite obvious I'm talking about fighting styles different needs, but you like be to a clown don't you?

This doesn't make sense because six = six if your talking about fighting styles than you're interpreting something from the chart. Where in the chart does it say fighting styles?

If you want to say 6 = 6 and strength = their combat prowess than they are exactly equal in every way becase 6 is equal to the number 6

[yvj]

All the data book says is 6=6, from that you can only determine one thing.

THEY ARE EQUAL

You heard it everone Luffy and Zorro are comepletley EQUAL. BECAUSE SIX IS COMPLETELY EQUAL TO SIX

So Zorro can beat Enel and Luffy can beat Mr 1

There is nothing else you can determine if six = six

Thank you and good night.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@yvj:

You said 6=6 so I'm saying if that is the case Luffy and Zoro should have no advantages over each other in every battle because they're equal.

AND THEY DIDN'T!!! WHISKEY PEAK!! BEST MOVES FIRST!! EACH OE RECEIVED ABSOLUTELY NO ADVANTAGE!!!

Both luffy and luffy have reached a new state neither had learned anything to put them above the other. This means they are still equals if they weren't it would have been made obvious, or at least we'd have some good hints.

When you talk about lucchi having double the douriki of jabs and kaku you forget zoro dodged and attack them both WITH USOPP STUCK TO HIS ARM!!

This altogether is more than what lucchi has.

This doesn't make sense because six = six if your talking about fighting styles than you're interpreting something from the chart. Where in the chart does it say fighting styles?

Duh, I'm talking about how different styles need more of your other skills.

e.g A swordsman need more dexterity to perform his attacks, a brawler doesn't need as much. You do understand how figghts work don't you?

If you want to say 6 = 6 and strength = their combat prowess than they are exactly equal in every way becase 6 is equal to the number 6

This is what happens when you join a thread late, I'll already stated how strength is fighting ability look up my previous posts. There might be one on the last page

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Final End what the hell are talking about. You can't even understand people's post and you're trying to argue with logic?

Im using your BAD Logic.

When did I say that you crazy Kook. You're making stuff up baby. I'm talking about teh chart.

Yeah but the chart says luffy and Zoro are equals…....6 = 6.
that means when they fight again they will tie again.

You're the one who brought up WB and GR

Yea…..... and going by your way of thinking, they both should have been Pirate King, because they are equals right?

[yvj]

Im using your BAD Logic.

Same here baby SIX = SIX I'm down with that. Tell me why I shouldn't take that literally.

EXPLAIN WHY SIX = SIX doesn't mean Luffy and Zorro are exactly the same in combat.

Yea…..... and going by your way of thinking, they both should have been Pirate King, because they are equals right?

My way of thinking you're the one saying six = six and I agree that means they're the same.

Now Following your LOGIC then if WB and GR are the same as Luffy and Zorro who beacause 6 = 6 are equal in every way yes then WB should be PK.

I don't why he shouldn't if GR and WB are equal to Luffy and Zorro.

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Same here baby SIX = SIX I'm down with that. Tell me why I shouldn't take that literally.

in anime and in mangas Strength = fighting/power…....they will tie in a fight. hell we can agree on that.

EXPLAIN WHY SIX = SIX doesn't mean Luffy and Zorro are exactly the same in combat.

LOL Let me make this short…...if luffy and zoro fought they will tie again.

That means they are equals. (in fighting. not in everthing they do)

BTW, I hope your a girl........cuz I dont like men calling me baby.

Edit:Also you dont need the same fighting style to equal someone.