I tried to put an image but the download will take me too long so I just copied from my book. @Psolaras It was made after Chopper joined.
Ussop
Adventuresome: 5
Strength: 2
Intelligence: 3
Dexterity: 6
Fashion Sense: 3
Curiosity: 4
Chopper
Adventuresome: 4
Strength: 2
Intelligence: 5
Dexterity: 2
Fashion Sense: 1
Curiosity: 6
I tried to put an image but the download will take me too long so I just copied from my book. @Psolaras It was made after Chopper joined.
Ussop
Adventuresome: 5
Strength: 2
Intelligence: 3
Dexterity: 6
Fashion Sense: 3
Curiosity: 4Chopper
Adventuresome: 4
Strength: 2
Intelligence: 5
Dexterity: 2
Fashion Sense: 1
Curiosity: 6
Well strength does mean overall fighting ability not just brute force so i was right wasn't I
I said it could go either way based on how they fight, not bad for a guy who hasn't seen their strength eh
I tried to put an image but the download will take me too long so I just copied from my book. @Psolaras It was made after Chopper joined.
Ussop
Adventuresome: 5
Strength: 2
Intelligence: 3
Dexterity: 6
Fashion Sense: 3
Curiosity: 4Chopper
Adventuresome: 4
Strength: 2
Intelligence: 5
Dexterity: 2
Fashion Sense: 1
Curiosity: 6
i see! thank you!
also are the books translated somewhere??? phenomenal where did you get yur info?
People are taking this whole Arlong/Jimbei thing the wrong way. Arlong is a beast, of immense physical power. IMO none of Luffy's opponents to date have had this raw physical power that Arlong possessed, not even Lucci. The problem with him was that he couldn't fight for sh*t, and as a result did not make use of his strength to it's max potential. IF Jinbei has the same strength but has skill to back it up, then as a fighter he would surpass Arlong by miles, and would deserve his place as a Shichibukai. After all, I am willing to bet that in pure physical power, Arlong is stronger than Mihawk, but its skill that puts the lightyears difference between those two. What I am trying to say is skill + strength >>>>>>>> raw strength.
Excuse me…....Arlong kept getting the merman stuffing knocked out of him by a much weaker Luffy. Arlong was even KOd for a while after some of Luffy's attacks. Arlong's strength and stamina is nowhere near that of Crocodile or Lucci's (I don't know where you get that from). People need to stop comparing Jinbei (a member of a world power) to some East Blue fish in Arlong. First of all we have NOT even seen Jinbei and that means we can NOT make comparisons at all to a character who has been shown. Also about Arlong having MORE raw strength than Hawkeye's is laughable, Hawkeye's was CASUALLY blocking all of Zoro's attacks with a TOOTHPICK...something arlong could NOT do. In a word Arlong was pathetic.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
why didn't i see that part abut mihawk earlier??? anyway phenom where did you get the trans of the red data book??
I got them from Carly and Greg!!! But it was a while back in 2005!!!^^^ I don't have them anymore…sorry.........
Wait, wasn't One Piece Red released in the US?
Excuse me…....Arlong kept getting the merman stuffing knocked out of him by a much weaker Luffy. Arlong was even KOd for a while after some of Luffy's attacks. Arlong's strength and stamina is nowhere near that of Crocodile or Lucci's (I don't know where you get that from). People need to stop comparing Jinbei (a member of a world power) to some East Blue fish in Arlong. First of all we have NOT even seen Jinbei and that means we can NOT make comparisons at all to a character who has been shown. Also about Arlong having MORE raw strength than Hawkeye's is laughable, Hawkeye's was CASUALLY blocking all of Zoro's attacks with a TOOTHPICK...something arlong could NOT do. In a word Arlong was pathetic.
Wow someone that makes sense. Something from wikipedia about Jinbei.
The Arlong Pirates used to be part of Jimbei's crew, but when he left to become one of the Shichibukai they split up for as of yet unknown reasons. Although Arlong was referred to as Jimbei's equal, the odds of one of the Shichibukai being equal to a pirate with a bounty of 20,000,000 belli is very unlikely. It is therefore speculated that Arlong was Jimbei's equal before he left or that it refers to rank as based on his growing up with Jimbei on Fishman Island and not on actual strength."
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Hawkeye you came back…........I thought you would never post again after our lil debate.
Arlong is trash.
Excuse me…....Arlong kept getting the merman stuffing knocked out of him by a much weaker Luffy. Arlong was even KOd for a while after some of Luffy's attacks. Arlong's strength and stamina is nowhere near that of Crocodile or Lucci's (I don't know where you get that from). People need to stop comparing Jinbei (a member of a world power) to some East Blue fish in Arlong. First of all we have NOT even seen Jinbei and that means we can NOT make comparisons at all to a character who has been shown. Also about Arlong having MORE raw strength than Hawkeye's is laughable, Hawkeye's was CASUALLY blocking all of Zoro's attacks with a TOOTHPICK...something arlong could NOT do. In a word Arlong was pathetic.
Arlong was NEVER KOed until the end, after having a FIVE STORY BUILDING collapsed on top of him. Croc got knocked the fuck out after the first move that hit him.
Luffy: GOMU GOMU…
Cobra: WHO IS THAT?!!
Crocodile: TCH...
BOY...!!!
Luffy: "BUZZSAW"!!!!
Luffy: Heeheeheehee!!
Cobra: He knocked him out…!!!
Arlong WAS pathetic, but he WAS NOT WEAK IN RAW STRENGTH.
You conviently forget THIS PART:
Luffy: GOMU GOMU… "BELL"!!!! And...
"WHIP"!!!!
Yosaku + Johnny: Oooh...
Luffy: "BULLET"!!!! "GATLING"!!!!
Luffy: 'right.
**Arlong: Did you… do something?
Yosaku + Johnny: IT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!!!**
In combat technique, Arlong sucked. But he had no devil fruit, no armor, nothing. Yes, he was pathetic. But in no way was he physically weak.
Excuse me…....Arlong kept getting the merman stuffing knocked out of him by a much weaker Luffy. Arlong was even KOd for a while after some of Luffy's attacks. Arlong's strength and stamina is nowhere near that of Crocodile or Lucci's (I don't know where you get that from). People need to stop comparing Jinbei (a member of a world power) to some East Blue fish in Arlong. First of all we have NOT even seen Jinbei and that means we can NOT make comparisons at all to a character who has been shown. Also about Arlong having MORE raw strength than Hawkeye's is laughable, Hawkeye's was CASUALLY blocking all of Zoro's attacks with a TOOTHPICK...something arlong could NOT do. In a word Arlong was pathetic.
Dude, the reason Croc was able to take Luffy's attacks was because of his logia, and Lucci had tekkai (rokushiki). Neither of them showed the raw PHYSICAL strength that Arlong showed (Croc wasn't even that strong physically), and if you read my post more carefully you would see that that was what I talking about.
And yes, Mihawk did counter Zoro with a toothpick, but he was mainly using speed, skill and tecknique, not brute force. Zoro was the one using brute force, and look where that got him. For a swordsman skill is more important than brute strength.
About comparing Arlong and Jimbei, the reason we can compare them is because the manga (what you guys like to call "canon") compares the two.
@FFA:Guess what…That happened as soon as Luffy got out of the ocean!!!! Why don't we talk about what happened when Arlong was biting Luffy and Luffy just slammed him to the ground and Arlong laif their KO'd for a while...Or how about we talk about Arlong getting his ass floored after Luffy handles hios crappy ass Shark on darts attack which again left him on the Florr KO'd for a while again??!!!
Crocodile NEVER got Ko'd by Luffy...Crocodile took WAY more of Luffy's special moves than Arlong......Crocodile even killed Luffy after using a powerd up Bazooka!!!!! Arlong was NOT tough.^^^^
Dude, the reason Croc was able to take Luffy's attacks was because of his logia, and Lucci had tekkai (rokushiki). Neither of them showed the raw PHYSICAL strength that Arlong showed (Croc wasn't even that strong physically), and if you read my post more carefully you would see that that was what I talking about.
And yes, Mihawk did counter Zoro with a toothpick, but he was mainly using speed, skill and tecknique, not brute force. Zoro was the one using brute force, and look where that got him. For a swordsman skill is more important than brute strength.
About comparing Arlong and Jimbei, the reason we can compare them is because the manga (what you guys like to call "canon") compares the two.
Uh Crocodile took way more hits than Arlong did and this was when Crocodile's logia abilities were nullified and Croc still took Luffy's attacks.
Stopping Zoro "Oni-Giri" dead in it's tracks just by sticking his arm out is not brute force?? Mihawk was using NOTHING but Force he was holding a table knife for God sakes and that is nothing but pure brute force…..
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
Guess what…That happened as soon as Luffy got out of the ocean!!!! Why don't we talk about what happened when Arlong was biting Luffy and Luffy just slammed him to the ground and Arlong laif their KO'd for a while...Or how about we talk about Arlong getting his ass floored after Luffy handles hios crappy ass Shark on darts attack which again left him on the Florr KO'd for a while again??!!!
Crocodile NEVER got Ko'd by Luffy...Crocodile took WAY more of Luffy's special moves than Arlong......Crocodile even killed Luffy after using a powerd up Bazooka!!!!! Arlong was NOT tough.^^^^
You either hate fishmen or just refuse to admit Arlong was strong. He was never KOed for any length of time until the end.
And I'm gonna paste this until it sticks in your head:
Luffy: GOMU GOMU…
Cobra: WHO IS THAT?!!
Crocodile: TCH...
BOY...!!!
Luffy: "BUZZSAW"!!!!
Luffy: Heeheeheehee!!
Cobra: He knocked him out…!!!
Luffy: Haah…
Haah...
Miss All-Sunday: Wow.
Luffy: GET UP.
Clock: tick… tick... tick...
Cobra: He knocked him out…!!!
Cobra: He knocked him out…!!!
Cobra: He knocked him out…!!!
And the damn clock was even ticking to show time passed before he got up.
@Fire Fist:
You either hate fishmen or just refuse to admit Arlong was strong. He was never KOed for any length of time until the end.
And I'm gonna paste this until it sticks in your head:
Luffy: GOMU GOMU…
Cobra: WHO IS THAT?!!
Crocodile: TCH...
BOY...!!!
- Page 82 -
Luffy: "BUZZSAW"!!!!
- Page 83 -
Luffy: Heeheeheehee!!
Cobra: He knocked him out…!!!
- Page 84 -
Luffy: Haah…
Haah...Miss All-Sunday: Wow.
Luffy: GET UP.
Clock: tick… tick... tick...Cobra: He knocked him out…!!!
Cobra: He knocked him out…!!!
Cobra: He knocked him out…!!!
And the damn clock was even ticking to show time passed before he got up.
Are you a moron…right after that Crocodile CASUALLY dodges Luufy's attack!!!! crocodile ONLY got hit because he was not expecting to be hit. Not even a powered up BAZOOKA to the Gut could knock Crocodile out. Arlong was not as tough as Crocodile.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
Are you a moron…right after that Crocodile CASUALLY dodges Luufy's attack!!!! crocodile ONLY got hit because he was not expecting to be hit. Not even a powered up BAZOOKA to the Gut could knock Crocodile out. Arlong was not as tough as Crocodile.
Now you're just ignoring the damn manga. It says right there that he got knocked out. Calling me a moron when you can't even admit you were wrong…
@Fire Fist:
Now you're just ignoring the damn manga. It says right there that he got knocked out. Calling me a moron when you can't even admit you were wrong…
Sorry about calling you a moron!
But that little punch that Crocodile got did NOT knock him out…if you notice that crocodile was NOT expecting to get hit. Crocodile then goes on to dodge Luffy's next attack easily. Not even a Powered up Bazooka can knock Crocodile out...... Arlong got his nose Broke, Teeth knocked out! Arlong is not as tough as Crocodile.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
I think the progression of the story alone indicates that Crocodile is stronger than Arlong. Luffy has been continuously facing stronger and stronger enemies. Croc's bounty was higher. Croc was Shichibukai.
But that doesn't mean Arlong was weak. Might as well say Crocodile and Lucci were weak because Luffy beat them.
Yeah I agree that Arlong was tough but someone is arguing that Arlong is tougher than Crocodile and Lucci??? That makes no sense to me.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
Yes, it would definately be some puzzling logic to come up with the idea that Arlong is stronger than Crocodile or Lucci.
I never said thatArlong was more powerful or a better fighter than Lucci or Croc, infact he was a really sh*t fighter. I'm just saying that he was PHYSICALLY stronger, nothing else.
When I say tougher I mean physical strength only, I never said that anyone said that Arlong was stronger than croc or Lucci….If I got you mixed up I apologize but I meant in terms of physical force like you BG!!!^^
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
Too many semantecs. Is it really important whether Arlong may have had potentially more physical muscle mass without a DF? I don't think we need to wonder whether Arlong could beat up Crocodile if Crocodile didn't have a DF or not.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
Too many semantecs. Is it really important whether Arlong may have had potentially more physical muscle mass without a DF? I don't think we need to wonder whether Arlong could beat up Crocodile if Crocodile didn't have a DF or not.
Well, the whole point of the argument is that even though Arlong sucked at combat, he was physically imposing. That sets the bar for future fishmen. Sure, Crocodile and Lucci could clean his clock 9 ways to Sunday, but the point is, Arlong is probably immune to gunfire like Luffy because of his shark body.
This is part of my theory that Jimbei will be the Brolly of One Piece: A fighter who can't fight for shit, but is physically stronger than every other fighter. It's like Toguro in Yu Yu Hakusho. Toguro wasn't that great a fighter, but he was so damn strong that he made up for it.
Arlong wasn't nearly that strong, but Jimbei very well could be. As far as we've seen, most of the Gyojin are arrogant, angry folks. In combat, they suck. But physically, they are much stronger than most humans. In the 10 years where Arlong was slacking, Jimbei could've been physically training.
You're right, Crocodile and Lucci were superior to Arlong in every way, but not in raw physical strength. Which is why people compare him to Jimbei. Jimbei is probably a better fighter than Arlong, but like Brolly, simply uses strength to overwhelm his opponents.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
@Fire Fist:
Arlong wasn't nearly that strong, but Jimbei very well could be. As far as we've seen, most of the Gyojin are arrogant, angry folks. In combat, they suck. But physically, they are much stronger than most humans. In the 10 years where Arlong was slacking, Jimbei could've been physically training.You're right, Crocodile and Lucci were superior to Arlong in every way, but not in raw physical strength. Which is why people compare him to Jimbei. Jimbei is probably a better fighter than Arlong, but like Brolly, simply uses strength to overwhelm his opponents.
Jinbei is a Shichibukai member, you actually think that he would have raw power but NOT have great combat skills??? Come on stop comparing Jinbei to Arlong because we ALL know that Jinbei is going to be LEVELS above Arlong. He is going to KNOW how to fight. Otherwise he does NOT desreve the title of Shichibukai. BTW Brolly had Martial arts skills in the DBZ world! it was dispalyed in both of his movies!
I don't doubt that Jimbei will be a very strong opponent. He won't necessarily "suck at combat" either. Each type of fishman has unique abilities associated with their species. In a similar way as DFs, a fishman probably needs a lot of hard work, determination and creativity to develop his natural talents into combat skills.
I kind of have a feeling that Arlong's departure from Jimbei wasn't because he was too strong for Jimbei, if you know what I mean. Obviously he was out to pick on smaller prey in the East Blue for a reason.
Jinbei is a Shichibukai member, you actually think that he would have raw power but NOT have great combat skills??? Come on stop comparing Jinbei to Arlong because we ALL know that Jinbei is going to be LEVELS above Arlong. He is going to KNOW how to fight. Otherwise he does NOT desreve the title of Shichibukai. BTW Brolly had Martial arts skills in the DBZ world! it was dispalyed in both of his movies!
Thats what I've been trying to say. IF Jimbei had the same amount of strength as Arlong, BUT had great combat skills, then he would be miles ahead of Arlong as a fighter, and would deserve his Shichibukai title.
Rather live a coward than die a man.
OK, so it seems that everyone at least agrees on this. Next?
Thats what I've been trying to say. IF Jimbei had the same amount of strength as Arlong, BUT had great combat skills, then he would be miles ahead of Arlong as a fighter, and would deserve his Shichibukai title.
Yes, I agree but lets be real here Jibei is going to have WAY more strength than Arlong!!!
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
Yes, I agree but lets be real here Jibei is going to have WAY more strength than Arlong!!!
Well, considering that a Whale Shark is about 100 times larger than a Japanese Saw-tooth IRL, I think it goes double in One Piece.
But then again, Whale Shark's are pacifists. For all we know, Jimbei could actually be a good guy, like Shanks; Strong as hell, but not really a person who likes to fight unless he has to.
Of course, he's still a pirate, but maybe not an ass like Crocodile or Doflamingo.
Well we don't know how Jinbei is going to be….He could be evil or like you said a pacifist.
Are mermen less intelligent then humans? I remenber Nami saying that the brains of humans are superior but really when I look back at the Mermen, sure some of them were dumb (Hachi) but jeez there are many more dumbass humans in OP (Mr.4).
Not saying Jimbei is going to be unintelligent. Infact I picture him as a huge underground gang leader type. If Arlong was meant to be a gang leader (Greg's site was really detailed and provided awesome facts for this) then I would imagine Jimbei to be more of a chaotic gang leader as well. More street like. Not like Crocodile, which whom I got the impression of a mafia type.
@Kma:
Are mermen less intelligent then humans? I remenber Nami saying that the brains of humans are superior but really when I look back at the Mermen, sure some of them were dumb (Hachi) but jeez there are many more dumbass humans in OP (Mr.4).
Not saying Jimbei is going to be unintelligent. Infact I picture him as a huge underground gang leader type. If Arlong was meant to be a gang leader (Greg's site was really detailed and provided awesome facts for this) then I would imagine Jimbei to be more of a chaotic gang leader as well. More street like. Not like Crocodile, which whom I got the impression of a mafia type.
If Jimbei is evil, I've always pictured his rule to be that of an Empire, like the Castro of the Odaverse. He controls outside influence upon Gyojin Island, and controls the emigration from the island. Notice that outside of Arlong Park, we've seen VERY few Gyojin actively travelling the Grand Line. There was one Wotan with Foxy, the guy in Loguetown who sold Sanji that fish, the two people from Hatchi's undersea adventure, Tom and Kokoro, but other than that, we've really seen a lack of Gyojin activity. Other than actual Whales, Whale Sharks are the largest mammals in the world. It would be no surprise if he ruled Gyojin island with an Iron Fist.
@Fire Fist:
If Jimbei is evil, I've always pictured his rule to be that of an Empire, like the Castro of the Odaverse. He controls outside influence upon Gyojin Island, and controls the emigration from the island. Notice that outside of Arlong Park, we've seen VERY few Gyojin actively travelling the Grand Line. There was one Wotan with Foxy, the guy in Loguetown who sold Sanji that fish, the two people from Hatchi's undersea adventure, Tom and Kokoro, but other than that, we've really seen a lack of Gyojin activity. Other than actual Whales, Whale Sharks are the largest mammals in the world. It would be no surprise if he ruled Gyojin island with an Iron Fist.
Very good point FFA, and I like the idea of a Castro figure too.
I forgot about Tom and Kokoro. I dont exactly quite remenber but there is a difference between fishmen and merman right? (or was it something else?) Like Kokoro was a different species right? I sort of imagine that Jimbei would want to create his idea of an "ideal race" (in a way like Hitler) and that people like Kokoro had to escape. Tom who couldn't stand the idea of that also left with her.
@Kma:
Very good point FFA, and I like the idea of a Castro figure too.
I forgot about Tom and Kokoro. I dont exactly quite remenber but there is a difference between fishmen and merman right? (or was it something else?) Like Kokoro was a different species right? I sort of imagine that Jimbei would want to create his idea of an "ideal race" (in a way like Hitler) and that people like Kokoro had to escape. Tom who couldn't stand the idea of that also left with her.
Someone's sig has it, but go read the Hatchi Mini-story. It has both a Gyojin female (Octopako, a Female Octopus fishman) and Carmie, a Mermaid/dugong like Kokoro. Like Gyojin, there are also different species of Ningyo, just like Gyojin. For example, Kokoro was an Icefish Ningyo.
FFA, are whale sharks mammals. I thought they were the largest species of fish.
Rather live a coward than die a man.
FFA, are whale sharks mammals. I thought they were the largest species of fish.
Actually, I do believe you're right, my mistake.
Dually corrected, Whale Sharks are the largest type of Fish, Whales are the largest mammal.
I would say Zoro = Luffy
Zoro is always compared to Sanji but I don't think Sanji is as strong as Luffy or him… Ok he fought Jabura which has just as much Douriki as Kaku... and I don't want to say that Sanji is weak. He is still strong as hell but like some of you said...
I can't see that Sanji would have stand a chance against both Jab and Kaku even without the Sogeking handicap which Zoro have...
I think that in the end you will see a clear gap between Zoro/Luffy and the rest...
There's nothing good to proove that Luffy and Zoro are equal. That chart… isn't detailed enough (because there are only 6 options, and even I wouldn't put Zoro as 5). The fight they had didn't last long enough. They say they were equal... but Don Kreig was beating Luffy for the first half of his fight, Lucci was beating Luffy, Croc beat Luffy twice before the final fight. Shows that the fight has to last longer than 2 minutes.
I'm basing my replies on the MANGA only, which is cannon. So don't say I work off non-cannon (the usual people that do). And don't say you guys are right because you have FACTS (which have been explained)... because those facts hardly explain properly if Luffy and Zoro are equal.
Speaking of asura, do you notice how in asura, Zoro has Mihawk's eyes?
Something I would like to mention about Shichibukais, sorry:
Yosaku: The Shichibukai are a group of pirates who prey on the uncivilized lands and pillage other pirates,
then give some percentage of their harvest to the government, thus having their piracy forgiven.
This is what they do. Nothing more and nothing less. It is just like privatees.
And Vivi said here loud and clear that why they want to be Shichibukais:
Vivi: Basically, the "Seven Armed Seas" are pirates working for the world government.
Whether the Seven Armed Seas crush pirates FOR TREASURE, or the Marines crush pirates in the name of justice…
They do it for money.
And so the Marines stop chasing them. And it's 10% of their treasure given to WG.
And so the Marines stop chasing them. And it's 10% of their treasure given to WG.
Exactly.
I think that "The Shichibukai are a group of pirates who prey on the uncivilized lands"-thing is a job from WG and this "and pillage other pirates," is their own thing.
Presicly. It lets the WG get rid of the most powerful pirates, take out other pirates, terrorize people into not becoming pirates, and they get money.
@$abZ:
There's nothing good to proove that Luffy and Zoro are equal. That chart… isn't detailed enough (because there are only 6 options, and even I wouldn't put Zoro as 5).
Oda thought 6 was enough otherwise he would have used a scale from 1 to 10 like anyone else would have. You just cannot accept they have the same strength.
The fight they had didn't last long enough. They say they were equal… but Don Kreig was beating Luffy for the first half of his fight, Lucci was beating Luffy, Croc beat Luffy twice before the final fight. Shows that the fight has to last longer than 2 minutes.
Don kreig was fighting dirty and exploiting weaknesses. Luffy and zoro used their strength and techniques head on against each other. There were no tricks and no enviromental aids they collided head on against each other. Neither one able to out do the other.
And all this talk about 2 minutes, how the hell do you know? I could say it looked more like 10 minutes to me. It doesn't matter the fact they were completely equal while using their best techniques shows they are equal.
I'm basing my replies on the MANGA only, which is cannon. So don't say I work off non-cannon (the usual people that do).
The data books are made by Oda how is that non-canon? He uses that data in the MANGA, which makes it canon.
And don't say you guys are right because you have FACTS (which have been explained)… because those facts hardly explain properly if Luffy and Zoro are equal.
The facts are all there you just choose to ignore them.
@AD-HD:
Exactly.
I think that "The Shichibukai are a group of pirates who prey on the uncivilized lands"-thing is a job from WG and this "and pillage other pirates," is their own thing.
And? what are you trying to say? I believe we already knew that information.
And? what are you trying to say? I believe we already knew that information.
I am not trying to say anything.
I just cleared some things.
But we knew that already.^^^
Some didn't.
16 chars.
Some also don't think the Shichibukai are a "Great Power!" but they are.^^^
And some people thinked that revolutionarys are "Great Power". That was pretty amazing.
Back to topic, please. I don't want to get banned like WHITEBEARD
