ok i was mistake BB wasnt commander under WB but he spend time in WB's ship so he know about WB and WB wont let him stay without knowing whos at his ship…
i know that speculate mnake the anime more fun. but as i noticed from Oda he can let ppl speculate about the future but u need to understand and read everyline of his manga.
How Can BB beat WB?
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@ Freedom
Whitebeard wasn't given his title just becuase roger died, he was just as strong as roger. If whitebeard 22 years died and roger was the strongest man in the world now, would he have it by default too?
I never said Logia's rule the world, but their that power you can't get past till you go into that hidden level and fly up in the sky past the clouds and find the secret door to get that magic box containing the counter to their element. You get the picture. No Logia to date has been a pushover. and please please please don't use Enel vs. Luffy as an example, this just destroys your credibility, i'm trying to help you out
They haven't been a push over because we haven't seen one of the 3 powers fight one yet. There will most likely be a technique that harms logias, or one that at least cancels their fruits power. If BB has figured a way out using his fruit, there will be other ways to do it as well.
Fact is, we know from the SBS that there exist people cabable of dealing w/ Logias. Like I said and onemoment said. Name more than two with confidence. You can't at present. You can only assume person X or Y can do it because of their "title".
I'm suprised to hear this from you, the person who thinks yonkou=SB+MH. By your own logic all 4 yonkou's should be able to harm logias if you think mihawk can (you added men with titles). Since Oda said it in an SBS the title holders are the most likely candidates.
I've just realized why people think BB's power isn't top-tier. It's b/c they don't view Ace as top-tier. If you view him as mid-tier, then it's obvious, you'll think that defeat wasn't anything big. Well, take a step back and look at it again. If you are capable of seeing it differently, re-evaluate BB's ability and things start to make sense. Oda didn't go out of his way to explain BB's powers for nothing.
Actually the reason most people don't think he's the strongest out there is for the simple fact that he can be hit. No need for that special, secret, magic door in the sky technique, you just swing and BOOM if he doesn't defend he most likely loses.
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Actually the reason most people don't think he's the strongest out there is for the simple fact that he can be hit. No need for that special, secret, magic door in the sky technique, you just swing and BOOM if he doesn't defend he most likely loses.
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And why do think that it is weakness?
Whitebeard can take hits too.If whitebeard couldn't hit BB he would be at a disadvantage, since BB can be hit it's a fair fight. No-one needs special logia cutting/hitting techniques you judt fight like you would normally do.
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WB can beat logias….....BB is a logia but cant let attacks pass him by.
He probably can. So why is the fact that he can't let attack pass him…like normal logias...a weakness? If Whitebeard can beat logias, then Blackbeard is better off then every other logia against Whitebeard. Blackbeard won't try to let attacks pass him, and unlike other logias (in theory) Blackbeard will maintain experience in taking damage.
That and, what is stopping Blackbeard forming sucking up his hands and wailing on him? I think it's safe to assume that Blackbeard can take two Whitebeard punches. Assume he held him there, BB could disable Whitebeard and attack him.
Not with the strongest man in the world. Ace is 2nd on WB ship Marco is above Ace. WB has a way of dealing with logias BB needed a DF to deal with them.
So we assume, with MArco . I'm not 100% on this, but aren't divisions numbers by the time they are created? If so, then it's no rank. Or, if it is, it's the dumbest one Oda's made yet.
And BB needed the fruit to become stronger. The difference between them beforehand is unknown, but he had the guts to live with and steal from his enemy. What would happen if Blackbeard was caught by Whitebeard? If BB had a plan for taking down Whitebeard, then he must have had a plan if he got caught.
They are not on the same ground.
I meant they are on the same ground as in, neither of them have a "logia ability" to dodge attack. So, not being able to have stuff "pass through him: only puts BB on the "same ground" as Whitebeard–as in they have both be hit.
You read what shanks said…...Shanks was telling WB that BB gashed me.
I did, but I want to see who you think it stronger then Ace. It'd help to find how you think.
Here's mine in a spoiler, for space:
! The 100% sure list of people who are stronger or equal to Ace:
Whitebeard
Shanks
Aokiji
the other yonkou
Mihawk
Sengoku? (can he fight? maybe)You'll see it's a small list, though maybe I'm forgetting people. Feel free to fill in the blanks.
For example, Ace might be equal to Aokiji. The fact that BB beat Ace doesn't change his level of power.
What! I never thought that? hell he above Croc, but Croc is weak when you compare him to other Big Timers.
I love Croc.
Catz just on his nut cuz he a logia.Honestly, I'm talking about other people. Too many people turn on characters when they lose.
Yea I know that but he no Big timer. Shanks let us know this.
Shanks said he's weaker then BB. Shanks never said anything about the rest of the world. Shanks' judgment is good, but Shanks never mentioned the other guys.
Plus, it kind of sounded like Shanks acknowledged BB's strength. How does Shanks see BB compared to himself?
Its called flavor of the mouth fans.
I guess so, but characters shouldn't get dissed so much because they lose fights. If we rated characters by strength, then "Goku" should be one of the most popular characters ever, but that's far from true.
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He probably can. So why is the fact that he can't let attack pass him…like normal logias...a weakness? If Whitebeard can beat logias, then Blackbeard is better off then every other logia against Whitebeard. Blackbeard won't try to let attacks pass him, and unlike other logias (in theory) Blackbeard will maintain experience in taking damage.
I agree….
That and, what is stopping Blackbeard forming sucking up his hands and wailing on him? I think it's safe to assume that Blackbeard can take two Whitebeard punches. Assume he held him there, BB could disable Whitebeard and attack him.
BB wont be able to take them sky spliting attacks head on.
and whats stoping Wb from using a named attack on BB.So we assume, with MArco . I'm not 100% on this, but aren't divisions numbers by the time they are created? If so, then it's no rank. Or, if it is, it's the dumbest one Oda's made yet.
I agree.
And BB needed the fruit to become stronger. The difference between them beforehand is unknown, but he had the guts to live with and steal from his enemy. What would happen if Blackbeard was caught by Whitebeard? If BB had a plan for taking down Whitebeard, then he must have had a plan if he got caught.
Thats it….... the plan is not to getting caught.
I meant they are on the same ground as in, neither of them have a "logia ability" to dodge attack. So, not being able to have stuff "pass through him: only puts BB on the "same ground" as Whitebeard–as in they have both be hit.
Oh I see what ya saying.
I did, but I want to see who you think it stronger then Ace. It'd help to find how you think.
Here's mine in a spoiler, for space:
! The 100% sure list of people who are stronger or equal to Ace:
Whitebeard
Shanks
Aokiji
the other yonkou
Mihawk
Sengoku? (can he fight? maybe)Dont forget Grap, smoker, Red dog, Doflamingo, Yellow Monkey, the other 7 gods.
You'll see it's a small list, though maybe I'm forgetting people. Feel free to fill in the blanks.
Cool
For example, Ace might be equal to Aokiji. The fact that BB beat Ace doesn't change his level of power.
Ace????? I would not say he is equal to Aokiji.
Honestly, I'm talking about other people. Too many people turn on characters when they lose.
I know what you mean.
Shanks said he's weaker then BB. Shanks never said anything about the rest of the world. Shanks' judgment is good, but Shanks never mentioned the other guys.
Shanks is a Big timer…...BB gashed a Big Timer.......Ace is strong but BB gashed Shanks a Big Timer. you fill in the rest.
Plus, it kind of sounded like Shanks acknowledged BB's strength. How does Shanks see BB compared to himself?
BB gashed a Big Timer. Shanks see BB as a Big Timer. for geting Gashed by him.
I guess so, but characters shouldn't get dissed so much because they lose fights. If we rated characters by strength, then "Goku" should be one of the most popular characters ever, but that's far from true.
I agree. when Ace make his re entry to the story the same people that diss him, are going to get right back on his nuts.
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@ Freedom
Whitebeard wasn't given his title just becuase roger died, he was just as strong as roger. If whitebeard 22 years died and roger was the strongest man in the world now, would he have it by default too?
how did Mihawk get this title? we don't know do we. both he and shanks are still alive. The easiest assumption is that Roger and WB were rivals, Roger somehow found this "One Piece" and got to the legendary island "Raftel" and became the PK in the same time frame as WB's existance. Doesn't this "title" give Roger a little edge over WB? Similar to a certain other rivalry couldn't resist! Anyways, my point is this. At the point in time when Roger became established as the PK, he was rivaled only by WB. Therefore, after Roger's demise, there was only one person worthy of the title. Maybe you think i'm saying he didn't deserve or earn the title, and that's definitely NOT what i'm saying. All I was saying is that WB is the basis for the yonkou b/c he's the only one that could be.
They haven't been a push over because we haven't seen one of the 3 powers fight one yet. There will most likely be a technique that harms logias, or one that at least cancels their fruits power. If BB has figured a way out using his fruit, there will be other ways to do it as well.
I'm suprised to hear this from you, the person who thinks yonkou=SB+MH. By your own logic all 4 yonkou's should be able to harm logias if you think mihawk can (you added men with titles). Since Oda said it in an SBS the title holders are the most likely candidates.
I don't see how me thinking that equates to logia battles. I consider it quite unrelated. Logia powers are extremely rare, we've seen six so far with maybe another 4 possible at max. 2 marines and 3 pirates and 1 "god". it's not like you encounter them all the time. anyways, my point is that right now, we can't prove that X can definitely beat a logia w/ "whatever". The only persons with solid proof are the two titled characters.
Actually the reason most people don't think he's the strongest out there is for the simple fact that he can be hit. No need for that special, secret, magic door in the sky technique, you just swing and BOOM if he doesn't defend he most likely loses.
This is a dumb (no offense to you or anyone) assumption IMO. Almost all fighters can be hit, and they build stamina / resilience to deal with taking damage. This is exactly why BB is a monster, he has all the powers of a logia w/o the weakness. Every logia to date has significantly dropped in power once their "weakness" is revealed. BB will never have this surprise happen to him, imagine Luffy fighting Crocodile's power w/ Lucci's stamina against water attacks times a higher factor, b/c you can bet BB's resilience will be ridiculous.
I feel like i'm somewhat regurgitating onemoment. I think I have similar views to him on the BB stuff.
potential BB plan from previous post in this thread since you ignored it the 1st time
@freedom:As for those who like to proclaim, "If BB could take WB, why doesn't he take him right now, why is he running away?" All I can say to that is "WOW!". Perhaps, BB has been on WB's ship since Roger's death, perhaps he's gathered as much information as WB has available on One Piece. Perhaps he thinks the WG has more information (which they probably do). Perhaps if he took out WB now, it'd be too hard to convince the WG that he wants to be a shichibukai and he'd not be able to research what they know. "But, if he took out WB, the WG would know how powerful he is". That's exactly the point, they would know how powerful he is, and he'd have disrupted the "delicate" balance. Did you see how they reacted when Luffy took out Crocodile? They wouldn't want to recruit him then.
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how did Mihawk get this title? we don't know do we. both he and shanks are still alive. The easiest assumption is that Roger and WB were rivals, Roger somehow found this "One Piece" and got to the legendary island "Raftel" and became the PK in the same time frame as WB's existance. Doesn't this "title" give Roger a little edge over WB? Similar to a certain other rivalry couldn't resist! Anyways, my point is this. At the point in time when Roger became established as the PK, he was rivaled only by WB. Therefore, after Roger's demise, there was only one person worthy of the title. Maybe you think i'm saying he didn't deserve or earn the title, and that's definitely NOT what i'm saying. All I was saying is that WB is the basis for the yonkou b/c he's the only one that could be.
Just cuz Roger found something dont make him stronger then WB.
WB set the Bar for the yonku b/c it is the pirate age and them 4 are compared to the WB not Rogers.Rogers era was not the pirate age. Roger's kicked off the pirate era.
potential BB plan from previous post in this thread since you ignored it the 1st time
What did I ignore????????? can ya post it again.
Never mind….......
_> As for those who like to proclaim, "If BB could take WB, why doesn't he take him right now, why is he running away?" All I can say to that is "WOW!". Perhaps, BB has been on WB's ship since Roger's death, perhaps he's gathered as much information as WB has available on One Piece. Perhaps he thinks the WG has more information (which they probably do). Perhaps if he took out WB now, it'd be too hard to convince the WG that he wants to be a shichibukai
WOW! freedom you know I can smash this over 5 times over._
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Dont forget Grap, smoker, Red dog, Doflamingo, Yellow Monkey, the other 7 gods.
We don't know these yet. Or their powers.
Garp… Maybe. But he himself said that he have lost powers.
Smoker. It was a tie.
Red Dog. Don't know.
Doflamingo. Hmm, does his powers works at the DF-powers too? Ace could burn him up pretty easily.
Yellow Monkey. We don't know. Or are you Oda?
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We don't know these yet. Or their powers.
He aksed for my list, lay down or get down.
AD HD I see that you change your sig.
after you said "BB is a underdog", I dont take you as a threat.
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Just cuz Roger found something dont make him stronger then WB.
WB set the Bar for the yonku b/c it is the pirate age and them 4 are compared to the WB not Rogers.Rogers era was not the pirate age. Roger's kicked off the pirate era.
What did I ignore????????? can ya post it again.
Never mind….......
WOW! freedom you know I can smash this over 5 times over.
I never said Roger was stronger. Geesh! The edge is in status. Anyways, there's no way to say anything about WB. Unless it's WB is unbeatable and One Piece will end when he's PK, all other comments are considered negative.
You asked for BB's plan, I gave a possibility. You are free to give whatever reasons you think my theory is wrong. I'm not saying it's right, but to just proclaim BB was afraid of WB and ran away isn't reasonable IMO when we're told he does indeed have a plan to become PK.
As for all the so-called people capable of defeating Logia's. For 100% canon, i'd say that's some speculation there :wassat:
Had to respond to the underdog comment. I hope that was a joke I missed!
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Roger somehow found this "One Piece" and got to the legendary island "Raftel" and became the PK in the same time frame as WB's existance. Doesn't this "title" give Roger a little edge over WB? Similar to a certain other rivalry couldn't resist!
That makes him a better treasure hunter, it wouldn't help in a fight. Since we know whitebeard is the only man to equal roger. So roger was the greater pirate, I'll give you that. Whitebeard however equaled roger in battle, so Roger wasn't the greatest fighter. Whitebeard gaining the title "strongest" is perfectly legit, not just because he is the only person who could be.
I don't see how me thinking that equates to logia battles. I consider it quite unrelated. Logia powers are extremely rare, we've seen six so far with maybe another 4 possible at max. 2 marines and 3 pirates and 1 "god". it's not like you encounter them all the time. anyways, my point is that right now, we can't prove that X can definitely beat a logia w/ "whatever". The only persons with solid proof are the two titled characters.
Oda's SBS's and luffys words to enel tell me there must be quite a few people able to take down logias. I'm not against waiting though, we shall soon see like I said before.
This is a dumb (no offense to you or anyone) assumption IMO. Almost all fighters can be hit, and they build stamina / resilience to deal with taking damage. This is exactly why BB is a monster, he has all the powers of a logia w/o the weakness. Every logia to date has significantly dropped in power once their "weakness" is revealed. BB will never have this surprise happen to him, imagine Luffy fighting Crocodile's power w/ Lucci's stamina against water attacks times a higher factor, b/c you can bet BB's resilience will be ridiculous.
You don't get my point about his power, I'm saying no-one will be at a direct disadvantage when they fight BB. Sure he will be resilient but so will all the other powerful characters. The real question is can he take something like whitebeards ultimate attack or Mihawks ultimate attack.
I really doubt it when he fights the powerful characters he will be fighting differently. He will be evading, using special named attacks and maybe even using the enviroment to his advantage.
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I never said Roger was stronger. Geesh! The edge is in status. Anyways, there's no way to say anything about WB. Unless it's WB is unbeatable and One Piece will end when he's PK, all other comments are considered negative.
So I guess you agree with me when I say WB set the bar for the Yonkou.
You asked for BB's plan, I gave a possibility. You are free to give whatever reasons you think my theory is wrong. I'm not saying it's right, but to just proclaim BB was afraid of WB and ran away isn't reasonable IMO when we're told he does indeed have a plan to become PK.
As for all the so-called people capable of defeating Logia's. For 100% canon, i'd say that's some speculation there :wassat:
110% canon would point to Shanks, Mihawk, and WB. Being able to beat logias..
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That makes him a better treasure hunter, it wouldn't help in a fight. Since we know whitebeard is the only man to equal roger. So roger was the greater pirate, I'll give you that. Whitebeard however equaled roger in battle, so Roger wasn't the greatest fighter. Whitebeard gaining the title "strongest" is perfectly legit, not just because he is the only person who could be.
I've admitted that WB earned and deserves the title. I don't see what the disconnect is here. I added 1+4+5=10 and you did 3+7=10, we got the same result. Maybe it's in my statement of he is the only person. I said this b/c if the equivalent happend right now… well, we'd have to agree that all yonkou are equal, but let's say (impossible speculation alert) that all four yonkou are equal, and 1 of them became PK again and died, and a new set of pirates were worthy of the title "yonkou". Which of the 3 existing yonkou would be the basis for comparison. My point was simply that at the time of Roger's death, WB stood unrivaled and therefore was the obvious basis.
You don't get my point about his power, I'm saying no-one will be at a direct disadvantage when they fight BB. Sure he will be resilient but so will all the other powerful characters. The real question is can he take something like whitebeards ultimate attack or Mihawks ultimate attack.
I really doubt it when he fights the powerful characters he will be fighting differently. He will be evading, using special named attacks and maybe even using the enviroment to his advantage.
I agree, yet many are calling this a disadvantage for BB when it just puts him on a fair playing field. Would it be better if BB were untouchable logia AND having great resilience….
It's funny, even in agreeing, we have difficulty.
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Well I really dont understand yet how people like WB would go at beating someone like BB unless its through the use of seastone..
As I look at it. If shanks was saying that BB is a major threat to WB mabye even taking his spot than there has to be something there.. And another thing is. IF shanks knows what BB powers are and all that then it makes me wonder why would shanks be warning WB of this threat if WB can just whoop logias..
BUT if shanks is saying it without the Logia then there might be something.. But the contradiction to that is the idea of why would BB eat a Logia if he knows that people like shanks and WB can beat logias..
The only way I see beating BB right now is
Seastone
Getting him in the Water
and just a straight out Hit hard enough to take him out..With the latter idea it works because lets say they are fighting and BB gets hit with the absolute strongest attack by someone, since he takes hits, if it were strong enough it would beat BB right there..
I just dont get why shanks would ever fear his rising if himself and others have techniques to just blow away logias..
As of now its just we are deplet of info on the subject..
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I've admitted that WB earned and deserves the title. I don't see what the disconnect is here. I added 1+4+5=10 and you did 3+7=10, we got the same result. Maybe it's in my statement of he is the only person. I said this b/c if the equivalent happend right now… well, we'd have to agree that all yonkou are equal, but let's say (impossible speculation alert) that all four yonkou are equal, and 1 of them became PK again and died, and a new set of pirates were worthy of the title "yonkou". Which of the 3 existing yonkou would be the basis for comparison. My point was simply that at the time of Roger's death, WB stood unrivaled and therefore was the obvious basis.
That'll do me
You just made it sound like whitebeard got the leftovers, when really he was equal to the pirate king. I'm glad that's over
I agree, yet many are calling this a disadvantage for BB when it just puts him on a fair playing field. Would it be better if BB were untouchable logia AND having great resilience….
Great we've got an understanding here too. BB is strong but people think he is invincible, they forget that the fight will be a fair one. When I say he isn't invincible a fight stronger than him can attack and kill him. They recoil back with "we-well whitebeard can be hit too!!" and I end up having to say well done you can add up. They don't understand this makes a level playing field allowing the stongest to prevail.
It's funny, even in agreeing, we have difficulty.
Messed up isn't it
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I agree, yet many are calling this a disadvantage for BB when it just puts him on a fair playing field. Would it be better if BB were untouchable logia AND having great resilience….
Then people would say BB is cheap.
The only thing I want to stress is that BB make that DF strong not the DF makes him strong. anyone else with that DF would get pwned. BB way of being able to take attack and laugh them off is perfect for that DF.
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@ Freedom
dont tell me your all talked out.
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I just thought of this.. lets say BB decided to fight with WB on his ship or w/e dont you think that WB could just demolish his ship taking down BB? I mean I realize that he probably has a lot of DF users on his ship but who knows?
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Nope. He wasn't.
Oh, and Ace is definetely in top-tier.
Ace is NOT a top-tier character, Ace got the brakes beat off of him by Blackbeard. Blackbeard is a top-tier character because he went toe to toe with Red-Hair and that is the reason why Shanks was crying to Whitebeard about Blackbeard. Shanks knew that Ace was not on Blackbeards level, that means he is NOT a top-tier character.
My point to all this…...Blackbeard beat Ace as easily as I change my socks!!!
As for the rest of the arguments, Blackbeard is a beast and is going to increase as the story goes.
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Another "vs" thread, yay! Once again I am unable to resist adding my views. I'm sorry if some of the points I make have been made previously; I haven't the time to go through the entire thread.
First, let me admit it gets quite annoying hearing over and over again that Whitebeard can't be defeated by anyone because he is the strongest man. We have all agreed that Mihawk, the strongest swordsman, can eventually be defeated by plot (Zoro), whats to stop Whitebeard getting beaten, or even killed, by plot (Blackbeard), seeing as Blackbeard's main aim is overthrowing Whitebeard. Also about this title of Whitebeard, I'm gonna be an ass and quote my self:
[hide] WB Title [/hide]
Second, about the fact that BB can't let attack pass like other logia users. I think onemoment and freedom already addressed this, but I might as well try and add something too. BB power is mainly to deal with DF powers (he himself quoted this), as we have no idea whether he can cut elements
like Mihawk (for details check the Pink Databook). Against non-DF users with weapons, he does not have to use his powers, as he is afterall a monster with alot of physical power. People keep thinking that BB is a permanent blackhole, just taking any and all damage inflicted on him. Guess what, he's not. He had to be strong to have been on WB ship for such a long time, and to be offered a place as a commander of one of the divisions (which he refused). He could simply fight physically, waiting for a chance to use his powers to suck in hands and/or feet and crush/hold them whilst attacking their bodies.Third, I disagree with people stating that Ace is a mid-tier fighter. Remember he fought and equaled Smoker without much effort, and Smoker was definately higher than mid-level, despite his rank (my evidence comes from the fact that the WG announced that Smoker beat Croc. It would be silly to state this if Smoker was weaker as it as the general OP public have problems believing it. Eg. if the WG stated that Tashigi or Hina beat Croc, would anyone believe that? would you?). Ace was also stronger than/equal to rubber Luffy w/o the fire fruit, and since leaving acquired the mera mera no mi as well as more than 3 times more GL experince that Luffy. Think of Luffy right now (someone I would consider mid tier on a world scale), then think how much stronger he would be in 3 years (bloody strong), and add the power of fire and minus stretchiness, and we would have a rough estimate of how strong Ace is.
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We don't know these yet. Or their powers.
Garp… Maybe. But he himself said that he have lost powers.
Smoker. It was a tie.
Red Dog. Don't know.
Doflamingo. Hmm, does his powers works at the DF-powers too? Ace could burn him up pretty easily.
Yellow Monkey. We don't know. Or are you Oda?
Others Shichibukais. Nah. We don't know these either.Well Whitebeard, glad to see we see more eye to eye. But that list of people stronger then Ace…I disagree. AD-HD summed it up.
Garp. I doubt it. He's the man, but not the strongest man. Blackbeard could easiler have more strength. I doubt Garp's ever punched Ace as hard as BB did (to the point of bleeding).
Smoker. It was a tie. If that seastone thing would have worked, Smoker would have used it and won. Smoker's no fool, that's the very reason he carries it around.
Red dog and yellow monkey. We don't know. These guys have zero info on them right now. I personally assume that they're weaker then Aokiji though. Was that said somewhere? I don't remember.
Donflamingo. I really think that Ace would win this, but we need to know his powers more. It's not 100% either way.
other shichibukais. I kind of doubt it. there's only 2 we don't know about. Maybe though. Croc's definitely weaker though, fire would burn sand.
Aokiji vs. Ace could go for Aokiji, but ice would most likely melt with that much heat in the area. It's at best a tie I think.
Either way, it's barely 10 people that are stronger then Ace.
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Well Whitebeard, glad to see we see more eye to eye. But that list of people stronger then Ace…I disagree. AD-HD summed it up.
Garp. I doubt it. He's the man, but not the strongest man. Blackbeard could easiler have more strength. I doubt Garp's ever punched Ace as hard as BB did (to the point of bleeding).
You know Grap is spoken highly about by Whitebeard.
Smoker. It was a tie. If that seastone thing would have worked, Smoker would have used it and won. Smoker's no fool, that's the very reason he carries it around.
Last time I cheched Ace ran. so I would not say they tied.
Red dog and yellow monkey. We don't know. These guys have zero info on them right now. I personally assume that they're weaker then Aokiji though. Was that said somewhere? I don't remember.
I agree.
But there still big timer.
Donflamingo. I really think that Ace would win this, but we need to know his powers more. It's not 100% either way.
Doflamngo will use ace as a weenie roaster. plus this is the guy was about to get down with Sengoku. in the holy land.
other shichibukais. I kind of doubt it. there's only 2 we don't know about. Maybe though. Croc's definitely weaker though, fire would burn sand.
Croc I agree but I was talking about the one we have not seen.
just like you said the other 2 yonkou.Aokiji vs. Ace could go for Aokiji, but ice would most likely melt with that much heat in the area. It's at best a tie I think.
I dont think so…..him being the strongest admiral. but yea we need to see more of them catz.
Ace is strong but he is not a Big Timer.
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That bold actually backs up what I said
Er… no, it doesn't. Again, he's third in command of the strongest pirate crew in the world. That would have to make him one of the top pirates in the entire world by default.
Ace is commander of the second corps, the second corps are never strong they're always put there to get annihilated. This makes the first corps look even stronger.
This is an elaborate joke, right?
There are at least four corps in the Whitebeard Crew by the way, so the cannon fodder corps (according to your system) would be the fourth corp, which had Teach in it.
Receiving a position after 3 years doesn't show me his strength it shows me he has developed fast. If ace had more time to develop and get stronger it's quite possible he could have been a strong character.
If he doesn't have the strength to hold the position, then he doesn't get the job.
Whitebeard knew full and well that Teach killed Satch, so he would have picked somebody strong enough to deal with a man that could kill a Corps Commander.
Whitebeard and shanks clashing weapons caused more havoc than ace did in that whole fight. The clash also wasn't a named attack unlike ace's ultimate attack.
You mean the attack that created an explosion almost a quarter of the size of Banaro Island when it hit Teach's darkness?
Further, you taking two of the four strongest pirates in the world and using them as a benchmark rather than an exception.
How many people overall have done anything as impressive as what Ace did with that fireball? Crocodile and Ener? Who else?
So no I don't see Ace as a strong character like many other people on this site. He's good but if you put him in a one on one with one of the powers he'd get owned.
What you basing this on? Personal opinion? Again, based on what?
I just don't understand why people have so much trouble admitting to themselves that Teach is a ridiculously strong character to the extent that they have to say that Ace isn't strong either.
At best, Teach is equal to Whitebeard in strength, but lacks the added things that make him the World's Strongest Man such as a complete crew. At worst, he's on level with Shanks.
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Garp. I doubt it. He's the man, but not the strongest man. Blackbeard could easiler have more strength. I doubt Garp's ever punched Ace as hard as BB did (to the point of bleeding).
When I see other characters pick up giant iron balls from their pockets I'll believe their stronger, until then garp owns.
Red dog and yellow monkey. We don't know. These guys have zero info on them right now. I personally assume that they're weaker then Aokiji though. Was that said somewhere? I don't remember.
Their power is most likely close to ao kiji, so once again ace stands no chance.
Donflamingo. I really think that Ace would win this, but we need to know his powers more. It's not 100% either way.
What!!!!
Aokiji vs. Ace could go for Aokiji, but ice would most likely melt with that much heat in the area. It's at best a tie I think.
Ice melts and becomes water no way could ace beat ao kiji. The power he has behind that fruit is also incredible
He FROZE THE OCEAN!! and lots of it too.
other shichibukais. I kind of doubt it. there's only 2 we don't know about. Maybe though.
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Croc's definitely weaker though, fire would burn sand.
Have you never been to a beach party? If you haven't allow me to tell you how we extinguish the fire.
We pour sand on it….. I do think ace is stronger than croc though, he'd just have to win like luffy did.
EDIT. Ubiq I can't be bothered explaining it again. If you truly believe ace is that strong. You may as well wish the world goodbye because BB squatted him like a fly. If BB can squat a "Strong" character like ace, I wonder what he'd do to weak characters.
E.g the shichibukai, the marine headquarter heck you might as well add the two unknow yonkou to the list.
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You know I was agreeing with that guy.
and yes I know that means Shichibukai, and BB dont need Luffy anymore if he gots the guy thats your avatar.
…Oh. >>;
My apologies, it was like three or four in the morning when I read that. I might not have been very awake...
And yeah, that's true. That's why I'm hoping Ace got away. I don't really want to have another story arc involving the Mugiwaras busting the crap out of the government to get someone back... though Enies Lobby did rock. But that's totally off-topic so I'll be quiet now. :P
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How is BB equal to WB ???????
Ubig.
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You know Grap is spoken highly about by Whitebeard.
True. Actually, I forgot about Ace when talking about him, I meant that BB is probably stronger.
Last time I cheched Ace ran. so I would not say they tied.
You confuse running for surrender. Ace said that smoker vs. fire wouldn't work.
But there still big timer.
Yes, but Ace might be stronger. How do you define big timer? If Ace can beat even two shichibukai (separate) and one admiral, then isn't he already big time?
Doflamngo will use ace as a weenie roaster. plus this is the guy was about to get down with Sengoku. in the holy land.
Doubtful. I don't see why such as "attack" would mean anything, Sengoku might not be a fighter, who knows. That and, Donflamingo doesn't want to look weak.
But vs. Ace is different. If Don is a string fruit, then it seems like Ace could burn it all. If it's telekinesis, then it's Don's game. And how would Don hurt Ace?
We need more info, but I see Ace with a lead here.
Croc I agree but I was talking about the one we have not seen.
just like you said the other 2 yonkou.Yep.
I dont think so…..him being the strongest admiral. but yea we need to see more of them catz.
Yeah, but he has a very real element advantage.
On the other hand, maybe Aokiji's experience would win–I see what you mean.
Ace is strong but he is not a Big Timer.
Shanks let us know this.Again, he said he's weaker then BB. He said nothing aout Ace's "status."
Besides, whatever Ace is, BB is clearly more.
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True. Actually, I forgot about Ace when talking about him, I meant that BB is probably stronger.
I dont know about that one.
You confuse running for surrender. Ace said that smoker vs. fire wouldn't work.
and Smoker has sea stone, but Ace ran.
Yes, but Ace might be stronger. How do you define big timer? If Ace can beat even two shichibukai (separate) and one admiral, then isn't he already big time?
But can he???? I dont think so.
Doubtful. I don't see why such as "attack" would mean anything, Sengoku might not be a fighter, who knows. That and, Donflamingo doesn't want to look weak.
Sengoku was spoken highly about by The Whitebeard, Sengoku is a fighter.
But vs. Ace is different. If Don is a string fruit, then it seems like Ace could burn it all. If it's telekinesis, then it's Don's game. And how would Don hurt Ace?
Don will make ace walk his ass in to the sea with his pants down.
If doflamingo's DF is a string string DF, how will ace brun the strings when he is being controled. Or he might stop ace from using his logia abilities.We need more info, but I see Ace with a lead here.
That cuz we know what Ace is about. Now when we know what ever one in the One piece world is about you still going to say Ace has a lead.
Again, he said he's weaker then BB. He said nothing aout Ace's "status."
Besides, whatever Ace is, BB is clearly more.Shanks is saying that BB gashed me. Red hair Shanks a Big Timer.
Ace is strong but BB hurt me Red hair Shanks a Big Timer.
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EDIT. Ubiq I can't be bothered explaining it again. If you truly believe ace is that strong. You may as well wish the world goodbye because BB squatted him like a fly.
Actually, we don't know how strong Ace was relative to the Yonkou. But to say that he isn't strong, well, that's just ridiculous.
If BB can squat a "Strong" character like ace, I wonder what he'd do to weak characters.
Quotation marks. Cute. The mere fact that you don't think Ace is that strong doesn't overrule all the dialogue that says that he's strong, especially seeing as how we see him do things like incinerate a hotel, trash an entire fleet of Baroque Works ships, and hold his own against Smoker long enough for the Straw Hats to put out to sea.
As far as Teach versus a weak character goes, I refer you to his encounter with Sarquiss.
How is BB equal to WB ???????
Ubig.
I said that he might be. That's the high-end for Teach when it comes to strength. We don't know for certain as to how strong he is.
At worst though, he's most likely at least equal to Shanks in strength, which probably doesn't put him that far below Whitebeard in strength.
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I said that he might be. That's the high-end for Teach when it comes to strength. We don't know for certain as to how strong he is.
At worst though, he's most likely at least equal to Shanks in strength, which probably doesn't put him that far below Whitebeard in strength.
I would just say that BB is a Big Timer.
No Swagger Jacking! they know who Im talking 2.
In fact dig a hole and body your self and Im a body your Lurker homiez.
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Quotation marks. Cute. The mere fact that you don't think Ace is that strong doesn't overrule all the dialogue that says that he's strong, especially seeing as how we see him do things like incinerate a hotel, trash an entire fleet of Baroque Works ships, and hold his own against Smoker long enough for the Straw Hats to put out to sea.
As far as Teach versus a weak character goes, I refer you to his encounter with Sarquiss.
Woo hoo yeah luffy and zoro are possibly equal to whitebeard too, you saw what they did. One threw a hugh concrete building above his head and the other pushed two buildings apart. This proves they are among the strong OP characters.
Forget Mihawk flicking his wrist and a galleon gets cut in 3 places. Forget Whitebeard and shanks cutting something that cannot be cut, the sky.
You know very well when I say strong I mean strong by OP standards. If someone kicked a door off its hinges I'd call them strong, but not strong by OP standards.
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Maybe because Shanks comes right out and says that Teach scarred him up in a fair fight?
I I once had a fight with this guy a few years older than me, I lost horribley. About a year later, we fought again. This time I beat him without breaking a sweat. Imagine what difference 10 years could bring.
You seem to be focusing quite a bit on the fact that this incident happened at least ten years ago. Ten years ago, Shanks was twenty-seven years old. Even if it happened when he was still on the Oro Jackson, well, that doesn't mean much as Teach can't be much older than Shanks. Ace says that he's been around twice as long, which would suggest that Teach is about forty, give or take a few years. At best, he's only three to five years older than Shanks, which is not that much difference.
**I think that incident happened more than 10 years ago. We know for a fact that shanks recieved the scar after Roger died. So it was anywhere from 10-22 years ago that Blackbeard gashed him. His flag has the scar on it and 10 years ago he was already a pretty accomplished pirate, judging from Whitebeard's remark on how everyone was suprised when a man like him lost an arm. So I think it's safe to assume it was 10+ years ago.
Where did Shanks say he has been around twice as long? I don't recall. And twice as long in comparison to what?
And assuming your right about his age, it doesn't matter much. He could be a teen like luffy and still be as strong as shaks, however unlikley.**
I really don't understand the resistance to the simple notion that Teach is every bit as strong as Shanks and I'd really like to here a reason why that isn't possible.
I'm not saying that it isn't possible. Indeed, it is very possible. But so are a lot of other things. Loke Brook grwoing flesh from coming into contact with the SH, but I think it's doubt full.
Because Shanks is a Yonkou and Teach isn't? So what? Teach has deliberately remained anonymous and in Whitebeard's service while waiting for a chance to get his Devil Fruit.
**That actually is part of the reason. Teach was biding histime and keeing a low profile, and that's a reason why it doesn't make sense for him to be equal to Shanks.
One needs experiace to be stronger, not just practice. He was keeping a low profile, so chances are he didn't get much experiance He could have had gotten it before he joined WB, but that would still cause him to lose a lot of his skills.
I think before he obtaines the Yami-Yami no mi he was weaker than Ace, but not by a large margin. Once, he obtained the fruit, he barley got ahead of Ace. Honestly, I think the biggest reason why Ace lost was because of the surprise factor.
But we will see when the time comes, and I really don't feel like debating in circles.**
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Surpirse factor WTF?????????????? Ace just got pwned.
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2/441mqscan.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=10425
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Surpirse factor WTF?????????????? Ace just got pwned.
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2/441mqscan.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=10425
Blackbeard stated that his power was unique among Logias. Ace seeing a logia that DID NOT DO what normal logias would do probably caused him to go, "WTF" and threw him off guard. That enabled Blackbeard to suck up his weaker attacks and throw them back at Ace, injuring him. We have no idea what happened, you just assume that Ace lost because we see his hat and because of plot reasons. Blackbeard may have also been seriously injured, requiring him to recover before continuing on, hence why they weren't in Water 7 after this battle.
But no one got "owned". They both probably got pretty banged up, with Blackbeard coming out on top.
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I don't see Blackbeard walking onto Whitebeard's ship and taking him out when all his officers join in.
Unless Whitebeard fights him one-on-one. You have to admit Whitebeard's old and sick. Not weak by any means, but old and sick. Teach is young(-ish) and full of an evil desire. (Slight)Advantage Teach.
However, we saw that Blackbeard does take hits, and if Whitebeard doesn't have a Devil Fruit power, Blackbeard loses the number one advantage(in my opinion) of the Yami Yami Fruit. Whitebeard may be able to overpower him in time. Advantage(perhaps) Newgate.
Then of course, there's the scenario in which Blackbeard boards Whitebeard's ship and Black Hole's the place. Blackbeard wins, Fatality.
All we've seen of Whitebeard is a spear that when clashing with Shanks, split the sky. What if Blackbeard finds a way to absorb the spear into the Black Hole? How does Whitebeard fight then? That's the real question in the debate.
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Blackbeard stated that his power was unique among Logias. Ace seeing a logia that DID NOT DO what normal logias would do probably caused him to go, "WTF" and threw him off guard. That enabled Blackbeard to suck up his weaker attacks and throw them back at Ace, injuring him. We have no idea what happened, you just assume that Ace lost because we see his hat and because of plot reasons. Blackbeard may have also been seriously injured, requiring him to recover before continuing on, hence why they weren't in Water 7 after this battle.
All BB did to Ace was punch him???????? Ace got his rocks handed to him.
But no one got "owned". They both probably got pretty banged up, with Blackbeard coming out on top.
Then BB won that fight.
Ace got Pwned….....BB punch Ace what 3 times. Ace was using named attack! BB well BB well he just kept punching Ace.
Ace got pwned.
BB was telling Ace about his DF powers, and Ace was just bleeding all over the place.
Thatz the level of The Big Timers.(BB is a Big timer, Ace is not)
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What I would like to know is if shanks knows that BB has aqcuired the darkness devil fruit..
Saying that BB is a threat to WBs spot w/o the devil fruit is saying that he was strong enough before having the fruit to do some damage..
But as I look at it shanks got the scar before BB ate the fruit then either BB has always been strong OR shanks was just weaker during the fight.
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How will BB beat WB? Take all of WB's rum and women.
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^^^^^^ I agree lol
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Polygon] I once had a fight with this guy a few years older than me, I lost horribley. About a year later, we fought again. This time I beat him without breaking a sweat. Imagine what difference 10 years could bring.
Yeah, too bad the guy you fought a year ago is NOT trying to become Pirate King!
**I think that incident happened more than 10 years ago. We know for a fact that shanks recieved the scar after Roger died. So it was anywhere from 10-22 years ago that Blackbeard gashed him. His flag has the scar on it and 10 years ago he was already a pretty accomplished pirate, judging from Whitebeard's remark on how everyone was suprised when a man like him lost an arm. So I think it's safe to assume it was 10+ years ago.
Where did Shanks say he has been around twice as long? I don't recall. And twice as long in comparison to what?
And assuming your right about his age, it doesn't matter much. He could be a teen like luffy and still be as strong as shaks, however unlikley.**
Come on Polygon, When Shanks asked Buggy to come with him he did NOT have the scar he recieved from Blackbeard. Later you see Shanks with the scar when he arrived to Luffy's village. So it was 10 years ago!!! Also Shanks is 37 years old, Blackbeard is possibly 40, a three year difference between GROWN men means nothing.
I'm not saying that it isn't possible. Indeed, it is very possible. But so are a lot of other things. but I think it's doubt full.
You can start by saying How…...
**That actually is part of the reason. Teach was biding histime and keeing a low profile, and that's a reason why it doesn't make sense for him to be equal to Shanks.
One needs experiace to be stronger, not just practice. He was keeping a low profile, so chances are he didn't get much experiance He could have had gotten it before he joined WB, but that would still cause him to lose a lot of his skills.
I think before he obtaines the Yami-Yami no mi he was weaker than Ace, but not by a large margin. Once, he obtained the fruit, he barley got ahead of Ace. Honestly, I think the biggest reason why Ace lost was because of the surprise factor.
But we will see when the time comes, and I really don't feel like debating in circles**.
LOL! How did Blackbeard lose skill and experience by staying in the Shadows on Whitebeards crew? Did you not see the GASH he gave your precious, more experienced, and famous Emperor in Shanks?
So you say that Blackbeard was "WEAKER" than Ace without the Yami Fruit, but Blackbeard WHALLOPED/TAGGED Shanks WITHOUT his Yami fruit and Shanks is telling us that Blackbeard is stronger than Ace Also you saying that Ace lost by Surprise is breath taking, Blackbeard can get the best of Red-Haired Shanks without a cheap blow taken by "SURPRISE" but he has to surprise Ace to beat him?
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Yeah, too bad the guy you fought a year ago is NOT trying to become Pirate King! [/qimg]
That's… irrelevant. I take it you don't get into a lot of fights (except verbal) ones. Any fight where you lose and then a rematch years later is completely different. Especially if you trained and he didn't.
Come on Polygon you are just making excuses, When Shanks asked Buggy to come with him he did NOT have the scar he recieved from Blackbeard. Later you see Shanks with the scar when he arrived to Luffy's village. So it was 10 years ago!!! Also Shanks is 37 years old, Blackbeard is possibly 40, a three year difference between GROWN men means nothing.
That's speculation. We don't actually see his face at the execution flashback, it's partly concealed. He could have recieved it at that moment or it could have been some time out. We don't know.
LOL! How did Blackbeard lose skill and experience by staying in the Shadows on Whitebeards crew? Did you not see the GASH he gave your precious, more experienced, and famous Emperor in Shanks?
So you say that Blackbeard was "WEAKER" than Ace without the Yami Fruit, but Blackbeard WHALLOPED/TAGGED Shanks WITHOUT his Yami fruit and Shanks is telling us that Blackbeard is stronger than Ace.[qimg]http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/29/41941/rolleyes.gif[/qimg] Also you saying that Ace lost by Surprise is breath taking, Blackbeard can get the best of Red-Haired Shanks without a cheap blow taken by "SURPRISE" but he has to surprise Ace to beat him?[qimg]http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/29/41941/rolleyes.gif[/qimg]
Okay, so Blackbeard got a lucky shot in. Big woop.
When Zoro beats Mihawk and Mihawk is revealed to have a huge scar on his back, I will laugh so hard it won't even be funny.
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Okay, so Blackbeard got a lucky shot in. Big woop.
When Zoro beats Mihawk and Mihawk is revealed to have a huge scar on his back, I will laugh so hard it won't even be funny.
Fist, Shanks stated that it wasn't a lucky shot. He said it right to Whitebeard's face. There can't possibly room for discussion on this.
Quote: "I wasn't careless" said Shanks. Which must also mean that it wasn't by chance, or Shanks shouldn't have mentioned that little detail
Now, think about it, what is the man who can claw you on the eye with skill alone?
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Fist, Shanks stated that it wasn't a lucky shot. He said it right to Whitebeard's face. There can't possibly room for discussion on this.
Now, think about it, what is the man who can claw you on the eye with skill alone?
There's a difference between a CHEAP shot and a LUCKY shot. Shanks said it wasn't foul play, ie Blackbeard hit him from surprise. A Lucky shot means he got lucky and got a blow in.
If Blackbeard had really done damage, Shanks would have an eyepatch, not simply three scars carved in his face.
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That's… irrelevant. I take it you don't get into a lot of fights (except verbal) ones. Any fight where you lose and then a rematch years later is completely different. Especially if you trained and he didn't.
This logic baffles me to no end, So Shanks would train but a guy who is trying to become Pirate king is NOT going to train??? Bwhhwhahahahahahahaha…cough...Bwhahahahahaahahahah!!
That's speculation. We don't actually see his face at the execution flashback, it's partly concealed. He could have recieved it at that moment or it could have been some time out. We don't know.
Uh, Who cares, the point is his LEFT side is showing and their is no scar on that eye!!!! That scar was given to Shanks 10 years ago, Shanks would not go out of his way to tell whitebeard about it if it was not serious.
Okay, so Blackbeard got a lucky shot in. Big woop.
When Zoro beats Mihawk and Mihawk is revealed to have a huge scar on his back, I will laugh so hard it won't even be funny.
Lucky? Shanks said it was NOT luck…that is just your bias against any character who opposes your precious Shanks....
When Zoro beats Hawkeye's I will laugh hard too, because Zoro was able to do something that your precious Emperor Shanks could NOT do!!!!!…beat Hawkeye's.
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This logic baffles me to no end, So Shanks would train but a guy who is trying to become Pirate king is NOT going to train???
Not necessarily. People say a lot of things. Arlong said he wanted to rule East Blue, and it was pretty obvious he didn't train in the last 10 years.
Uh, Who cares, the point is his LEFT side is showing and their is no scar on that eye!!!! That scar was given to Shanks 10 years ago, Shanks would not go out of his way to tell whitebeard about it if it was not serious.
Uh, his face's left side is not visible; in fact, it looks like blood is going down the side of his face, indicating it was then and there he got the scar. You actually can't see it; it's unclear.
Lucky? Shanks said it was NOT luck…that is just your bias against any character who opposes your precious Shanks....
Shanks is one of my favorite characters but I hold no bias toward him whatsoever. I'm not his fanboy. There's a difference between a CHEAP (I.E getting hit by surprise, which is WHAT HE SAID to Whitebeard), and a LUCKY Shot (I.E. getting a hit in). If Blackbeard was truly some strong badass, he would have ripped out Shanks' eye rather than merely scarring it.
When Zoro beats Hawkeye's I will laugh hard too, because Zoro was able to do something that your precious Emperor Shanks could NOT do!!!!!…beat Hawkeye's.
You're missing the point. Remember Mihawk and Zoro's exchange? "A scar on the back is a Swordman's Shame". Well, I'm betting you Mihawk has this huge scar on his back from Shanks. I will laugh so hard if this turns out to be true.
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There's a difference between a CHEAP shot and a LUCKY shot. Shanks said it wasn't foul play, ie Blackbeard hit him from surprise. A Lucky shot means he got lucky and got a blow in.
If Blackbeard had really done damage, Shanks would have an eyepatch, not simply three scars carved in his face.
If Shanks is such a great character, then who cares if Blackbeard is stronger then him? Dude, Shanks lost an arm trying to save Luffy. Odds are, Whitebeard will have floored him. BB maimed his eye for a story point. Shanks takes a lot of damage to save good people, and yes he's strong, but I don't see him winning any big battles.
If BB got a lucky shot in, they why didn't Shanks mention it? He was so honest about the "not careless" part. Why not warn Whitebeard of Blackbeard's power to get lucky shots in? Do you think that Shanks were go out of the way to warn Whitebeard about some punk who got lucky?
I dunno, I'm just sick of people defending their characters while sacrificing the story. From a storyline point of view, Whitebeard and Shanks are going down. Until the next major plot twist, Blackbeard is probably the strongest guy in One Piece. I'm not Oda, but what can 2 or 3 chapters dedicated to Ace jobbing mean?
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Not necessarily. People say a lot of things. Arlong said he wanted to rule East Blue, and it was pretty obvious he didn't train in the last 10 years.
Arlong is weak.
How do you know he didnt train?????????
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Not necessarily. People say a lot of things. Arlong said he wanted to rule East Blue, and it was pretty obvious he didn't train in the last 10 years.
Uh, his face's left side is not visible; in fact, it looks like blood is going down the side of his face, indicating it was then and there he got the scar. You actually can't see it; it's unclear.
No you see his left side and it shows NO scar….......
Shanks is one of my favorite characters but I hold no bias toward him whatsoever. I'm not his fanboy. There's a difference between a CHEAP (I.E getting hit by surprise, which is WHAT HE SAID to Whitebeard), and a LUCKY Shot (I.E. getting a hit in). If Blackbeard was truly some strong badass, he would have ripped out Shanks' eye rather than merely scarring it.
Oh wait so, Blackbeard is supposed to dominate some super powered pirate in Shanks and the mere fact that Blackbeard was able to damage Shanks somewhat and come out unharmed shows him NOT being strong? So by your logic Since the SEA KING was able to rip off Shanks arm, that sea King is Stronger than Blackbeard.
You're missing the point. Remember Mihawk and Zoro's exchange? "A scar on the back is a Swordman's Shame". Well, I'm betting you Mihawk has this huge scar on his back from Shanks. I will laugh so hard if this turns out to be true.
More Fanboy speculation…..I will only DISMISS it not address it.