Here is my question How is Teach going to be able to beat BB. Ace who is WB 2nd LT was able to hold his own against BB in terms of Physical power. If WB has no DF powers than wouldnt that nullify BB power. BB will have to fight him using only brute force. And what it seems to me is that WB is stonger in terms of brute force than Ace if not Ace will be the strongest man in the world not Newgate, but that is not the case Newgate is the stongest man in the world. So How can BB possibly beat Newgate. My only answer to that question is either BB was acting like a complete idiot when Ace was attacking and not taking the fight too seriously which i doubt or BB can't beat WB as of yet the only thing that BB can do is wait until the old man is sick and vulnerable. I really think BB still has a long way to go before trying to take the strongest man on.
How Can BB beat WB?
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Well, if WB gains his full ability and shows us it, maybe it will give us a hint of which one would win or not. From this current point of view, it kinda looks like BB will win (IMO). Unless "The Strongest Man In The World" is so strong he can cut through darkness.
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Blackbeard: Auger, shoot the old white-stache from the distance will ya?
Auger: Is that fair?
Blackbeard: It's destiny! Who cares!?
Blackbeard will most likely use his 1337 moding abilities to Godmode over him.
Seriously save this discussion for Chapter 719.
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BB takes hits so that he can throw back the power x2; however he is still a logia.
Unless WB is a logia, and the match is a one on one, he can just turn Logia against him, and suck him up.
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The current BB isn't going anywhere against WB. He can't even beat the all the other big boys. If ace was giving him trouble then he doesn't stand a chance.
And no-one can say BB's final attack to counter ace's wasn't powerful.
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I dont think the fact that Ace gave him trouble is a very fair arguement. Ace is one of the strongest in the world. I think the only people BB could lose to our the emperors and Mihawk or Sengoku if he is as strong as I imagine. BB isnt that much lower than whitebeard, after he develops his powers full potential he will be though imo. Unless yall think he has already mastered it.
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So How can BB possibly beat Newgate.
Well, Whitebeard's people definitely seem to think that Shanks is at least capable of posing a threat to him, so the gap between the strength of those two men can't be that great. Meanwhile, Teach is at least on the same level as Shanks, so it's not like there's a vast gap between the two men.
Sure, Whitebeard is the World's Strongest Man now, but he also has a complete crew. Teach is still out there gathering people; he's on his way up the piratical ladder while Whitebeard is already at the top. There's nowhere to go from there but down.
BB isnt that much lower than whitebeard, after he develops his powers full potential he will be though imo. Unless yall think he has already mastered it.
From what we saw in his fight with Ace, the Yami Yami Fruit really isn't designed so much to be used like a typical Devil Fruit so much as it's a method that allows Teach to directly deal with other Users with his own physical strength.
The main advantage it has over… say, seastone gloves, is that it allows him to drag his enemy into hand-to-hand combat ranges whether they want to fight him at that range or not.
Complicating things since 2009.
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And how did you come to this conclusion.
Bwhahahahahaha do you see the GASH on Shanks face that he was teling Whitebeard about? That is why….......
Also, Ace was NOT giving Blackbeard trouble at all, Blackbeard made Ace look like a child while explaining his Yami fruit!!!!
The Yami Yami Fruit is good but not THAT good. Whitebeard would waste ANYONE with it!
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With that type of strength and the will of D., Blackbeard will waste Him.
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Bwhahahahahaha do you see the GASH on Shanks face that he was teling Whitebeard about? That is why….......
Also, Ace was NOT giving Blackbeard trouble at all, Blackbeard made Ace look like a child while explaining his Yami fruit!!!!
The Yami Yami Fruit is good but not THAT good. Whitebeard would waste ANYONE with it!
**I'm not even gonna address the last two part, as I really don't care.
All I want to say is that Shanks received that scar 10+ years ago. Maybe even when he was still on Roger's ship.
Think about it. 10 years ago I was just learning to write.**
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Shanks was young though, I still can't see BB at yonkou level so early. Blackbeard had to use a powerful darkness attack against ace when he used that big sun attack, you could tell BB put power into that final attack.
I personally can't see WB breaking a sweat against ace so where is all this talk about him beating whitebeard coming from?
So I say he's below the 3 great powers strength and later on in the series will he will achieve that level.
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Well, Whitebeard's people definitely seem to think that Shanks is at least capable of posing a threat to him, so the gap between the strength of those two men can't be that great.
I dont understand??????
When did WB think/take Shanks as a threat????Sure, Whitebeard is the World's Strongest Man now, but he also has a complete crew. Teach is still out there gathering people; he's on his way up the piratical ladder while Whitebeard is already at the top. There's nowhere to go from there but down.
Well if that was the case WB should have been down the ladder along time ago.
I really dont see BB being able to fight/take out WB.
If BB had the power to take out WB what stoping him from walking right up 2 him and doing so?????
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I'll say this if you look through the Ace vs. BB crew fight the sole time BB looked woried was for his crews sake that one time, other than that he never had a serious look on his face like the fight was taxing him at all
hes strong. bet on it.
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**I'm not even gonna address the last two part, as I really don't care.
All I want to say is that Shanks received that scar 10+ years ago. Maybe even when he was still on Roger's ship.
Think about it. 10 years ago I was just learning to write.**
And? So what you tryin to say…...........
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And? So what you tryin to say…...........
10+ years is a lot of time. A lot can happen in a lot of time.
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I think Blackbeard would steamroll pass Whitebeard…...
look at Whitebeard..... he is hook up to so many medical stuff and he needs a respirator.
He might not be able to last a long fight with Blackbeard.......Blackbeard didn't even sweat when he was fighting Ace........
I still believe that Blackbeard is virtually the Pirate King at this stage...... he is unstoppable at the moment.....Pro-Main Cast Evangelist. In Oda We Trust. TheJackAss Crew. AMC = Anti-main Cast. Luffy x Nami.
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10+ years is a lot of time. A lot can happen in a lot of time.
I am still not understanding what you are trying to say?
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i think polygon meant that 10+ years is a very long time ago…... in that 10+ years, lots of things could have possibly happened. Like Shanks getting that scar.... ;)
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I think Blackbeard would steamroll pass Whitebeard…...
look at Whitebeard..... he is hook up to so many medical stuff and he needs a respirator.
He might not be able to last a long fight with Blackbeard.......BB will not be able to walk away from an attack from WB.
Lets be real Here, BB fought Ace! Marco is above Ace.
If BB had the power to beat WB dont you think he would have done it by now???? BB has it all planned out. period
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I am still not understanding what you are trying to say?
**Don't play dumb.
I'm saying we can't base how strong BB is compared to Shanks on the scar incedint. That happened a long time ago, possibly when shanks was still a cabin boy.
Fact is that as far as we know Whitebeard > BB. IMHO Shanks is close enough to Whitebeard's strengh that is is logical to assume that shanks > BB at this stage.
And this may just be me, but I think that only reason BB was with that last attack was because Ace didn't take into account the fact that some of his big ball of fire would be sucked in my BB's big ball.**
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I think Blackbeard would steamroll pass Whitebeard…...
look at Whitebeard..... he is hook up to so many medical stuff and he needs a respirator.
He might not be able to last a long fight with Blackbeard.......Whitebeard didn't take shanks seriously at all, just like BB did to ace. He then split the sky, so I don't think his illness affects him as much as people think it does.
Blackbeard didn't even sweat when he was fighting Ace….....
I still believe that Blackbeard is virtually the Pirate King at this stage...... he is unstoppable at the moment.....You've over-looked alot of people in OP if you think BB is un-stoppable.
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**People really do ump to conclusions with Whitebeard supposed sickness.
Is he really sick? Is it a minor problem? Does he have a time limits to his fights? Can he only fight at certain times? Does it really matter? Is it just to show how old he is? Is there even a problem?
The awnser is: We just don't know.**
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**People really do ump to conclusions with Whitebeard supposed sickness.
Is he really sick? Is it a minor problem? Does he have a time limits to his fights? Can he only fight at certain times? Does it really matter? Is it just to show how old he is? Is there even a problem?
The awnser is: We just don't know.**
Logic suggest that WB is Ill, Canon suggest that WB is ill, or hurt you take your pick.
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When BB canceled ace's logia was it because he had hold of ace or because of his gravity attack sucking ace in?
If it was because of touch it makes me wonder if ace was actually hurt from BB's attack. Since he was nowhere near BB at the time he used that giant fireball and BB wasn't using the gravity attack he used at the start anyway
It makes me wonder did that attack harm ace? Since he is a logia you'd think it would have one straight through him.
Or am I forgetting something important?
EDIT. I might as well add the fact BB never used a logia attack on ace apart from his final attack. So is that final attack showing his logia harms other logias even through attacks. Or is Oda trying to show Ace isn't dead and used that moment to escape?
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BB would have to bring some cherry pies. Cuz the only way he could beat WB is through a pie eating contest.
Lets look at what we actually KNOW. BB fought Ace and at least had trouble defeating him. BB has a major obvious weakness. WB is supposed to be the strongest man. WB is a couple ranks above Ace.
This is all we know. We have NO clue what WB's abilities are, but based on the information we are given…well like i said, bring cherry pies
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Don't play dumb.
No, I am gonna play with it!!!
Blackbeard gashed Shanks period!!! and it does NOT matter if it was 22 years ago, that is just another excuse.
22+ years don't matter? So I suppose if a 22 year old defeated a baby, then the baby could never become strong enough to defeat him? People can't get stronger in 22+ years? I am enlightned.
That's right, 22 years does NOT matter becuase simple common sense tells us that BOTH Blackbeard and Shanks have gotten stronger. Blackbeard may have the edge because of his logia ability that Shanks seems to be unaware of.
Makes sense. People can't improve at different rates. I understand.
Makes sense now…............
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Its amazing how people are just jumping on the BB bandwagon…listen WE HAVE NO CLUE HOW STRONG WB AND SHANKS ARE. Whoever says BB is stronger really needs to step back and look at the facts.
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Its amazing how people are just jumping on the BB bandwagon…listen WE HAVE NO CLUE HOW STRONG WB AND SHANKS ARE. Whoever says BB is stronger really needs to step back and look at the facts.
I call it flavor of the month fans. As soon as we see Jinbei, BB might be a thing of the past, until we see him again.
and No im not flaming anyone!
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who cares which is stronger, it's obvious luffy's gonna beat them both eventually
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You know, I don't see how we can ask this when Blackbeard's power has been unveiled, and Whitebeards hasn't. It seems like we should ask:
"How can Whitebeard beat BB?"
This is not cause I assume that BB is stronger then then Whitebeard. My point is that since we know Blackbeard's ability, we should wonder what power Whitebeard has to counter it.
I mean, Blackbeard has had the most powerful logia ability unveiled recently, and people are asking "how is BB gonna beat Whitebeard with that?"
It seems ironic to me. Blackbeard's entire presence seems to me, like it should be an endangerment to Whitebeard. Regardless of who is stronger, Blackbeard will probably have a part in ending Whitebeards life.
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Ive seen things:ermm: in this OP world.
Well I just saw 2 guys (WB, shanks) rub weapons together and spilt the sky, and another guy (Hawkeye's) twist his wrist and cut a ship no I mean galleon, up in 3 pieces, with a single sword swing.
Ive see a guy(Ao kiji) freeze the sea in a matter of sec's.
Doflamingo's about to attack Senguku the Boss of the marine.
BB is a Big Timer now, but I need to see more of his abilities/more of him to say that he is one of the top Big Bosses of the One piece world.
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And how did you come to this conclusion.
Maybe because Shanks comes right out and says that Teach scarred him up in a fair fight?
You seem to be focusing quite a bit on the fact that this incident happened at least ten years ago. Ten years ago, Shanks was twenty-seven years old. Even if it happened when he was still on the Oro Jackson, well, that doesn't mean much as Teach can't be much older than Shanks. Ace says that he's been around twice as long, which would suggest that Teach is about forty, give or take a few years. At best, he's only three to five years older than Shanks, which is not that much difference.
I really don't understand the resistance to the simple notion that Teach is every bit as strong as Shanks and I'd really like to here a reason why that isn't possible.
Because Shanks is a Yonkou and Teach isn't? So what? Teach has deliberately remained anonymous and in Whitebeard's service while waiting for a chance to get his Devil Fruit.
I dont understand??????
When did WB think/take Shanks as a threat????Go back and read the section you quoted again.
Newgate doesn't seem particularly concerned about Shanks, but his men seem unwilling to leave him alone with Shanks. That strongly suggests that they see him as a threat to Whitebeard.
Well if that was the case WB should have been down the ladder along time ago.
He only falls from his position atop the pirating world if somebody comes along that can supplant him.
I really dont see BB being able to fight/take out WB.
Well, somebody has to eventually if they're going to be Pirate King. It'll either be Luffy or Teach and I think Teach actually has a lot better claim on the old man than Luffy does.
If BB had the power to take out WB what stoping him from walking right up 2 him and doing so?????
Because he's still building his crew and isn't quite ready to take that step yet?
Complicating things since 2009.
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Newgate doesn't seem particularly concerned about Shanks, but his men seem unwilling to leave him alone with Shanks. That strongly suggests that they see him as a threat to Whitebeard.
Well all I saw was that WB men where wondering if Shanks wanted to go to war.
He only falls from his position atop the pirating world if somebody comes along that can supplant him.
Or get One piece…......WB is the virtual Pirate King, B/c he is closest one to one piece. If BB get one piece WB spot is is overtaken and surpass WB.
Well, somebody has to eventually if they're going to be Pirate King. It'll either be Luffy or Teach and I think Teach actually has a lot better claim on the old man than Luffy does.
Well not in a fight, If BB is going to fight WB. BB said he had it all planned out, he could know that WB is going to die soon. maybe thats why WB hooked up to all that hospital gear, with all them nurses around him.
BB did say WB era is over, sickness is the 2nd best thing to ending someones era.Because he's still building his crew and isn't quite ready to take that step yet?
Are you tryin to say that WB and his crew would jump BB?????
They didnt jump Shanks.
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Everyones talkin about how to beat BB…It's very simple. HIT HIM. Theres no magic formula here folks.
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I agree ^^^^^^^^^
but as you said bring pies, lots of pies.
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I just can't be bothered posting in this topic the answer is just so obvious, it's like seeing the difference between Black and White.
At least in the other debates there were all sorts of anomalies like phrases that had 2 different meanings (depending on who you are). Or people thinking yonkou are automatically stronger than everyone, so it was a challenge getting the right info showing otherwise.
This thread is just plain boring the answer is right in front of your eyes.
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Yet…you posted....
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Yet…you posted....
Haha yeah I forgot to add "anymore" after the word posting, oh well you lot get the picture.
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Well some one bound to try and attack The WHITEBEARD wonder who?????
(freedom):whistling::whistling::whistling:
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I call it flavor of the month fans. As soon as we see Jinbei, BB might be a thing of the past, until we see him again.
and No im not flaming anyone!
Blackbeard was given an unstoppable power for a reason by Oda…. that is to steamroll pass some of the big bosses of the New World...... marines and shichibukai alike.......
with that...... Like Whitebeard and Shanks...... I admit we haven't seen much of their powers, but as it looks like at this stage, Oda is preparing Whitebeard's death....... because it was obvious from the beginning (from a storyline point of view)...... I might be wrong about it. As for Shanks, I see him going to save Whitebeard just barely from Blackbeard..... before Luffy arrives for that much anticipated showdown....... or "cold"down.........
"cold"down as in a OHKO on Luffy....... before Shanks saving him as well..... or the mugiwaras sound a fast retreat......or both!Pro-Main Cast Evangelist. In Oda We Trust. TheJackAss Crew. AMC = Anti-main Cast. Luffy x Nami.
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Blackbeard was given an unstoppable power for a reason by Oda…. that is to steamroll pass some of the big bosses of the New World...... marines and shichibukai alike.......
Well BB makes that DF strong not the DF makes BB strong.
and at this point it is only powerful when fighting other DF user.
WB dont look like a DF user.with that…... Like Whitebeard and Shanks...... I admit we haven't seen much of their powers, but as it looks like at this stage, Oda is preparing Whitebeard's death....... because it was obvious from the beginning (from a storyline point of view)...... I might be wrong about it. As for Shanks, I see him going to save Whitebeard just barely from Blackbeard..... before Luffy arrives for that much anticipated showdown....... or "cold"down.........
"cold"down as in a OHKO on Luffy....... before Shanks saving him as well..... or the mugiwaras sound a fast retreat......or both!Whitebeard could die by sickness you know.
as I pointed out in one of my other post, BB said he had it all planned out, that dont sound like a Im going to 1 on 1 fight WB and kill him, more like a WB era is over and he is sick and about to die, and Im going to find one piece and surppass him type of thing.The flavor of the mouth post was not aimed at you kljs.
Man I thought freedom was going to jump in and try to get me back. I guess wrong then.
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Here is my question How is Teach going to be able to beat BB. Ace who is WB 2nd LT was able to hold his own against BB in terms of Physical power. If WB has no DF powers than wouldnt that nullify BB power. BB will have to fight him using only brute force. And what it seems to me is that WB is stonger in terms of brute force than Ace if not Ace will be the strongest man in the world not Newgate, but that is not the case Newgate is the stongest man in the world. So How can BB possibly beat Newgate. My only answer to that question is either BB was acting like a complete idiot when Ace was attacking and not taking the fight too seriously which i doubt or BB can't beat WB as of yet the only thing that BB can do is wait until the old man is sick and vulnerable. I really think BB still has a long way to go before trying to take the strongest man on.
Interesting topic. Begs the question of if BB and WB will really fight. I personally hope they do, i'd like someone else other than Luffy to take out the present iconical WB figure. And there are some members that will swear on their first born that if the fight did happen BB would never win, but if you think that, you aren't following this story as closely as you think.
Lots of arguments such as Crocodile had development too, and people are just jumping on the BB bangwagon. To me, this just means you're not interested in BB character for whatever reasons. If you think BB used his all against Ace, keep playing the lotto, you'll hit it soon. We got to see BB's powers for two reasons. To show that he'll be taking out the so-called "big boys" and to show just how powerful he is right now w/o even trying.
@WHITEBEARD - there's no need to disprove you in this thread. I like your optimism regrading WB's character, but if you think he'll be taken down by sickness, good for you. I personally think it'd be a coup out by Oda and I think he should allow WB the reality of defeat by the hands of someone other than Luffy.
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@WHITEBEARD - there's no need to disprove you in this thread. I like your optimism regrading WB's character, but if you think he'll be taken down by sickness, good for you. I personally think it'd be a coup out by Oda and I think he should allow WB the reality of defeat by the hands of someone other than Luffy.
Well freedom Oda dont got WB hooked up to that hospital gear for nothing.
If WB gets killed by BB…. If BB gets killed by WB........I could care less.
All I want to see is flash backs of WB fighting Rogers in his prime.
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Can somebody answer this question for me? I am not trying to be arrogant but I want to get the reason's why?
How can Blackbeard beat a Guy who fought and tied…........
This Guy????
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He cant. Ignore anyone who says he can. Unstoppable power? You're kidding right kljs?
First off there is no such thing as an unstoppable opponent in OP. It just doesnt happen in mangas.
Secondly, lest we forget, BB has NO DEFENSE (from its fruit at least). How is that an unstoppable power?
Last, im beginning to sound like a broken record but, no one (cept oda) has any idea what WB's power is like. So how can one even compare BB to him?
Besides is it just me or is the darkness fruits power dissapointing? I mean i expected it to be on the likes of complete annihilation of everything on the planet but instead…it sucks...things...I guess it does negate DF powers but wth is BB gonna do against the likes of Zoro and Sanji?
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He cant. Ignore anyone who says he can. Unstoppable power? You're kidding right kljs?
First off there is no such thing as an unstoppable opponent in OP. It just doesnt happen in mangas.
Secondly, lest we forget, BB has NO DEFENSE (from its fruit at least). How is that an unstoppable power?
Last, im beginning to sound like a broken record but, no one (cept oda) has any idea what WB's power is like. So how can one even compare BB to him?
Besides is it just me or is the darkness fruits power dissapointing? I mean i expected it to be on the likes of complete annihilation of everything on the planet but instead…it sucks...things...I guess it does negate DF powers but wth is BB gonna do against the likes of Zoro and Sanji?
If some no-name captain can rust Zoro's swords, Blackbeard can easily suck them up.
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**I'm not even gonna address the last two part, as I really don't care.
All I want to say is that Shanks received that scar 10+ years ago. Maybe even when he was still on Roger's ship.
Think about it. 10 years ago I was just learning to write.**
Wow, you're young. o_o Or maybe you just learned to write really late >_>;
On topic, I think you do have a point… but over ten years ago, Shanks had two arms... now that he has one, he may be slightly weaker, no? And BB's new powers don't push the odds in Shanks' favor that much...
Then again, Shanks is not a DF user, and if just being around him makes ordinary members of WB's crew fall unconscious, it might not be wise to doubt his power.
Then again... I dunno. It's too far off. We'll see.
I'm a lurker. I don't really post much. So… I'm not really sure what to put as my signature.
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He cant. Ignore anyone who says he can. Unstoppable power? You're kidding right kljs?
I did say at this stage of the storyline…... he looks unstoppable..... and besides, he can take hits....... or his tolerance to punches and kicks is high...........
I am not kidding..... what we saw on Barona island isn't actually Blackbeard's full power......... if he is to take on people like Whitebeard, he has to do it at full power.... and I am afraid, we haven't seen that yet......
as for the talk about the guy that tied with this guy....
the guy has a 20+ year "damage" to his body that he still needs medical attention….....
Pro-Main Cast Evangelist. In Oda We Trust. TheJackAss Crew. AMC = Anti-main Cast. Luffy x Nami.
