why not download subs? it'd be so much better and easier.
I do watch the ones with subs but I also like the to watch the 4kids version, I don't download the subs I watch the episodes on youtube with subs.:happy:
why not download subs? it'd be so much better and easier.
I do watch the ones with subs but I also like the to watch the 4kids version, I don't download the subs I watch the episodes on youtube with subs.:happy:
Okay people – again -- the first post has been updated.
Yeah, I think they should keep the One Piece Rap. I have the file around here somewhere… I stole it off of some guys blog a few months back. It's going to be worth alot of money someday.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/h6fcim
Notice at 21 seconds in (41 if you're using WMP), that "dum-dum-dum-dum-DUM!!" sound? I think that sounds awesome.
Also, I like to sing along with it. The only bad part with singing is that part where some guy says "MONKEY D. LUFFY" and at "D", the back-up follows up with "–Gonna be-- King of the Pirates!", I don't know which part to sing. I need 2 mouths.
I never know if to sing "Monkey D. Luffy" or "Gonna be". It like splits my brain whenever the song reaches that point.
Save for the aneurysm, the song it awesome.
Also, if I send Oda a letter, would it have to be Japanese? I don't want to send him a letter or else he'll be like "What the fuck is this...?"
That's just….ew.
No! I don't care if it's synth! It fully utilizes their tools at hand and I think it's a musical and instrumental masterpiece.
Take it how you will. But I still like it.
yeah I like it too and I know all the words and at the 'Monkey D. Luffy' part I just go "Monkey D Gonna be king of the pirates" all I hear is Monkey D. I've never heard them say Luffy. They should still change it though when it's a new season like american versions of the original songs cause I love the Rainbow star opening…
I can clearly hear them say "Monkey D Luffy…" not sure what you guys are talking about O_o
EDIT:
okay listening to it now I see..err.. hear they say "luffy" and start 'gonna be" at the same time but you can clearly hear both...
Well, either way, it seems CN still has faith in One Piece for picking up the last of the 4Kids episodes.
So let's hope that dubbing companies pick off from where 4Kids stopped, and that it has a nice, cushy place to air on.
i actually want them to start over…:/
ps. for some reason...reading this thread made me feel like im in history class...
history on the crusades!
TAKE BACK THE HOLY L......ONE PIECE!
lol thats a good one. ^_^
Hmm, if (when) One Piece is redubbed, and it started from the beginning.. Perhaps Toonami could air a lot of marathons covering a lot of episodes at one time so it catches up quickly, or air them at a different time while airing new episodes at another timeslot..
I don't really see that happening though, I guess it would be DVD sets of entire arcs coming out while the new episodes air on TV.
They'd kinda have to redub from the beginning. Otherwise, a faithful dub would cause massive continuity errors that would conflict with 4Kids' changes.
Frankly, I see them starting over, advertsing the new dub as an uncut One Piece, and airing it Saturdays on Adult Swim. Best move would be to air it early, so it shows up on Toonami's whole "coming up next" thing, which also displays the AS shows that follow Toonami. Then, viewers would see the uncut One Piece here, and think "wow, uncut?! I've seen the show here on Toonami, let's see what it's like uncut!"
Or something like that, anyway. Starting over seems like it would make the most sense, as long as there was some kind of advertising to sell it. People not familiar with the 4Kids-Toei fiasco might get confused if all of a sudden, the show starts over with things radically changed, and they don't know why. Selling it as "uncut" or "the original One Piece" or something might help with that.
They'd kinda have to redub from the beginning. Otherwise, a faithful dub would cause massive continuity errors that would conflict with 4Kids' changes.
Frankly, I see them starting over, advertsing the new dub as an uncut One Piece, and airing it Saturdays on Adult Swim. Best move would be to air it early, so it shows up on Toonami's whole "coming up next" thing, which also displays the AS shows that follow Toonami. Then, viewers would see the uncut One Piece here, and think "wow, uncut?! I've seen the show here on Toonami, let's see what it's like uncut!"
Does Toonami advertise Adult Swim shows? Besides, I doubt Adult Swin would take in…
Y'now what nevermind, if Shin-chan can make it to Adult Swim, any anime can.
The point is, I just think redubbed will just be seen as repeats to casual fans.
.....
I think I stole that sentence from somewhere.
Y'know how Toonami does that "coming up next" thing, where they show thumbnail images for the next two shows coming up? Well, during their last two shows, they put Adult Swim's shows on that lineup.
And I think you're underestimating casual fans. They won't see them as repeats when they start watching, and EVERYTHING's changed; voices, music, content, etc. And anyway, even if they did, that's why I said that it would need to be advertised as being "uncut" or "unedited" or whatever.
Wow, you know, I didn't actually think anyone would take it seriously until you brought in a possible title of "uncut".
I'd say someone continuing from where 4Kids left off is more plausable.
DBZ and Pokemon both did this. And while PKMN hasn't gotten it's older episodes redubbed, I'm sure the fan-demand of One Piece's following will eventually make whoever picks it up redub the older episodes.
But first and foremost, they should continue from where 4Kids left off. Then gradually fix everything in the past.
And, really, I just don't see One Piece as an "adult swim" kinda series. As I always say, it should get a Naruto-type dub with minimal edits and be placed on Toonami.
Wait, what happened with Pokemon and DBZ?
True, but DBZ didn't have a problem like this. Yes, it was heavily altered, but not to the point where potential profit was lost and Toei got pissed. And the story, while altered, wasn't changed so radically. It just wouldn't be feasable to do a faithful dub that picks up where 4Kids leaves off. What if they go back from Zolo to Zoro? Gonna be wierd to name the character one thing one minute, then call him something completely different the next.
@Zulen: Both were taken from one dubber to another.
I suppose that makes sense, Captain, but then again, Zolo and Zoro isn't that big of a name change. Most people either wouldn't notice, or wouldn't care.
I certainly never cared for Zoro's name change in the first place.
Let's say, if Viz picks it up. Zolo will proboally still be Zolo because that's what they call him in the manga. But that's a minor thing, they'll be able to continue off from where 4Kids left off.
If they start the whole series over, that's an even bigger risk, given that even if it has a better dub… The majority of people will think they're reruns.
Nah, they'll need to continue off from where 4Kids left off.
Not to mention a bad dub is a bad dub, and DBZ had it's share of stupid edits and episode skips. Believe me, it wouldn't be such a hard thing to do with One Piece.
I'm fairly interested in seeing these DBZ edits.
Let's say, if Viz picks it up. Zolo will proboally still be Zolo because that's what they call him in the manga. But that's a minor thing, they'll be able to continue off from where 4Kids left off.
If they start the whole series over, that's an even bigger risk, given that even if it has a better dub… The majority of people will think they're reruns.
Nah, they'll need to continue off from where 4Kids left off.
Not to mention a bad dub is a bad dub, and DBZ had it's share of stupid edits and episode skips. Believe me, it wouldn't be such a hard thing to do with One Piece.
We've addressed the issue of the illusion of reruns. And Viz did call him Zoro in the beginning, but then changed much of the names they used to fit the dub (i.e. Merry Go). With their anime, they've been quite careful to stay accurate, even with name pronounciations. Particularly recently, with Naruto and Bleach. if they were that careful with the other two Shonen Jump juggernauts, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same for One Piece. Particularly since they know quite a few people would be fully aware of any changes they'd make (since Toei seems to be aware of the overall popularity of the series, outside the dub). It's just like when they localized Bleach and Naruto; they do that dance of making it marketable to general audiences, and not upsetting already established fans. So far, they've been good at that, and if they got One Piece, I get the feeling they could pull that off, too.
@Zulen: Yeah, DBZ's kinda infamous for the "liberties" that were taken. Even when it got a better dub, it was still heavily altered. The subs on the DVDs are pretty damn accurate, though.
The Zolo/Zoro change really doesn't bother me that much. It's just the way they say it bothers me. (Instead of ZOHHLOHH, maybe more like
ZOLo saying it quickly with a strong L)
I would like to see it on Toonami with a Naruto quality dub. Airing it on Adult Swim would be..pretty weird.
An uncut One Piece would have about the same level of content as Bleach and Inuyasha, already airing on AS. Toonami may have issues with people being electrocuted, suffocated to death with wax, suicide bombing themselves, etc. And the Christian heaven references in the Skypeia arc may raises issues as well. AS is a safer place to air it.
Edit: N/M, someone posted it at the other thread and firecrouch says it's just a rumor.
So about this rumor, anyone know exactly where it originated? I know a lot of info has been spreading around, but nothing that specific.
Any anime is "safer" on Adult Swim than on Toonami when it comes to actual content, but audience is more important. Who's more likely to watch "One Piece", the Toonami crowd or the Adult Swim crowd? "One Piece" may require no edits in Adult Swim and edits in Toonami, but the time slot and target audience for Toonami is more feasible than Adult Swim in the case of "One Piece". This show can air in Toonami with only minor edits.
I support a "One Piece" re-dub starting from the very beginning with plenty of heavy marketing to make the risk pay off. Re-dubs for "DBZ" and "Sailor Moon" in the middle of the series makes more sense because their adaptational (is that even a word?) liberties weren't nearly as radical as in the case of "One Piece". But it still seems like a lot of fans are divided on this issue. I'll be happy as long as majority rules, so if a new company (or Toei) were to produce "One Piece" they should let fans vote on whether a re-dub should start at the very beginning or where 4Kids left off.
An uncut One Piece would have about the same level of content as Bleach and Inuyasha, already airing on AS. Toonami may have issues with people being electrocuted, suffocated to death with wax, suicide bombing themselves, etc. And the Christian heaven references in the Skypeia arc may raises issues as well. AS is a safer place to air it.
I'd say Naruto's dub is proof enough that One Piece would be safe on Toonami with an accurate dub.
Let's remember… While we want a good One Piece dub... I'm sure we also want One Piece to succeed. And it has the biggest chance of doing that on Toonami.
I'm sure every anime fan would want their favorite series on Adult Swim. After all, it's bound to run unedited there. But sometimes you gotta factor in the other things such as where One Piece would be more at "home" at.
As for what camp I'm on, I'm on the "continue from where 4Kids left off" camp, as I think it'd be easier to market to the people, rather than risking to air it from the very beggining and having people think they're just "reruns" even if they are promoted to be "better" than the 4Kids dub.
I'd be content with them releasing the older episodes re-dubbed later, on DVD's, and then air them on TV later, if they want to.
Just thought I'd point out, for those who want them to keep specific voice actors. They won't. Maddie Blaustein - formally the Voice actor for Meowth visits http://www.serebiiforums.com (as maddiejoan) and as she says she was never given a chance to keep the role of Meowth. Many people liked the 4Kids VAs in the Pokémon dub. Many people sent a letter to Pokémon USA through post and email. Bill Rojers then came to Serebii forums shortly after "The Mastermind Of Mariage Pokémon" special aired on KidsWB (Postong as "NewBrock". Many people complained that Brock sounded like a "Chain Smoker". - He fixed his voice recognising this. According generally to people at ComicCon(I believe it was this convention) from Pokémon USA they could have stopped the Pokémon dub or recast it. I think that 4Kids wouldn't let them use the voice actors, thats why I think they had to change. So I think the same will go for One Piece, it will need a complete recast. (Remember though what I think is not fact, it could happen, they could keep Zoro's VA etc. But I doubt it.) Maddie Blaistein at least made it clear that if she was given the chance to voice Meowth again then she would not go unless all of the 4Kids voice actors were able to go. I'd imagine the other voice actors would think the same. For One Piece if you want one voice actor to stay then you have to have them all stay.
I'd provide more proof but I'd have to search through 150+ pages of threads at SerebiiForums. Go take a look for yourself, if you find quotes for what I've said here, feel free to post them. They're there.
^ That's a different situation.
The Pokemon cast was kept unchanged for nearly a decade, so of course they'd wanna keep the entire cast the same. Also worth mentioning is that Pokemon USA never asked any of them to come back anyway so we have no clue as to what the rest of the cast would've done. Meowth's voice actor may have said she wouldn't return alone, but who knows what the rest of the cast would have said?
Anyways, I'm in the start up where 4kids left off camp. Even if it was adverised as a new dub, an uncut dub, anything…..I think people are giving the majority of casual viewers too much credit. Unless you're a big anime fan, you wouldn't know about the changes 4kids did, and unless you're an established One Piece fan you probably wouldn't know specifically what they are anyway.
What I'm saying is, bad dubs aren't uncommon.....and to alot of people they might think that 4Kids' One Piece is near identical to the original. And it sorta is. Fundamentally there wouldn't be much new, obviously we'd get better scripts and original music etc. but unless you're a fan of One Piece you wouldn't notice and dismiss the new dub as reruns.
We'd still be seeing the same stories (with a few less plot holes) and the same characters (with a few original names, most of which are close to the changed names anyway) And unless you really cared about One Piece, you wouldn't care because you'd think it'd be the same exact show as the 4kids one, just with more swearing and blood.
One Piece did just fine on Toonami with the 4kids dub, so continuing from where 4kids left off would bring back that established audience AND potentially bringing in new viewers who might take notice of the changes.
Also, Adult Swim is not the place for One Piece. Naruto would be more at home with its mass levels of blood and violence on Adult Swim.
Detective Conan failed miserably on Adult Swim, because despite having mature content it was still a show for younger audience. The Adult Swim audience consists of more than just anime fans, and the anime fans that do watch Adult Swim go for more mature style shows.
Toonami is perfect because it has the perfect mix of kid shows and mature shows. Also Toonami's broadcast standards have changed alot since Naruto started airing.
Language wise they've allowed the occaisonal swear to pass (like on IGPX and Naruto) and when they aired Hellboy:Sword of Storms they had naughty language every couple minutes!
They've gotten over their fear of blood and violence, with Naruto running as close to uncut as they can get it.
Heck they're even airing original Japanese openings for Bobobo, Naruto, and Prince of Tennis!
Toonami doesn't = kids only stuff, its got a wide appeal these days.
Hmmmh… I've been thinking on the problem that is where to start in the series when it comes to airing. So, I've thought up that VIZ should start airing the series from episode 1 on the timeslot just before [adult swim] starts (10:00 or 10:30? I forgot…) for the people that want to see how the series should have been done and air episodes starting where 4Kids left off on Toonami for fans of the dub. Perhaps 2 different campaign ads are in order? When the early episodes catch up, they can maybe replace it with another show. It may be a bit awkward though, so does anybody else think this is a good idea? My last idea didn't go over so well (sending fanart to Shonen Jump trying to get them to dub stuff). Any takers?
if only companies like toie and 4kids took into consideration the fans rather than "how much money i can make out this" they noitce that this show isnt really aimed at the child demographic (10-13 and up) but more towards the older demographic (14(15) +)… i mean dont they know that in japan all ages, kids to OLD adults, are loving this show! i mean its broadcasted in hd for bezzez's sake. i donno but they need to keep everything in, play it on adult swim, and leave it at that... theyd be suprised at the fan base theyd get.
Well, when you're on the fence what's the best thing to do? Test runs! Let's say the rights to the series eventually go to someone else, maybe before 2009 (I think the deal between 4Kids and Toei was for the series itself, not an episode-by-episode basis. Then again, since Toei Animation has always had production rights they could probably do whatever they want with the episodes.). Starting from the beginning would obviously be the riskier move. However, if they were to re-dub the first four episodes, and test-run them on Toonami Jetstream, or merge them into a "movie" (like with "Samurai Jack", and like that show they could just re-run it as actual episodes later) and give it a snazzy title ("Romance Dawn", anyone?), and air it on Toonami one night with an encore presentation later, they could let the audience decide. Through comments on Toonami Jetstream, voting polls, message board posts, surveys, and pure ratings, Cartoon Network and said hypothetical production company could decide what the best direction for the future of "One Piece" is. If the test-run(s) didn't work, they could start off where 4Kids left off. Although, my idea of making the first four episodes a movie might be over-doing it don'cha think? Of course, in any case, a re-dub of "One Piece" would need strong and creative and well-timed marketing and advertising, especially for the test-run idea I just mentioned.
To tell you the truth, if Toei Animation (they'd be more likely to just start where 4Kids left off and not even think about re-starting) or Viz or some other company were to take the torch for "One Piece", I think the best time to debut it would be during "Naruto" 's infamous season of filler. I don't follow "Naruto" so I don't know approxiametly when that'll come to Toonami. My guess is 2008?
Has everyone given up? I don't see any new news or anything.
@Lobster:
Has everyone given up? I don't see any new news or anything.
I haven't; right now I'm just taking little baby steps. I plan to get more into the swing of things come February, since that's the target date for Toei Animation America's revamped website. Speaking of which, next time CosmicDebris shows up here I'll give her some more info to edit into the first post of this thread.
You can PM me anytime, I'm bound to pop in and find it at some point.
Watching MARs dub, this is what One Piece needs. Ginta's voice is good for Luffy, and Jack's voice is great for Usopp. Nanashi (Liam O'Brien) wouldnt be bad for Zoro/Sanji.
Zoro's and Luffy's voices actor and actress are fine but i do agree with Jack and Usopp and Nanashi and Sanji
Well I heard that 4Kids already cast Hulk Hogan for the voice of Franky…
(runs)
@Lobster:
Well I heard that 4Kids already cast Hulk Hogan for the voice of Franky…
(runs)
Wikipedia… So, yeah. -_-
It's not true.
Haha, that would be awesome.
..I didn't say that umm. Yeah I'm waiting until the site is revamped to start emailing/writing/calling/harrasing Toei.
@Lobster:
Has everyone given up? I don't see any new news or anything.
I know, I suck I haven't updated the site with anything yet ,but i will this weekend sure sure dammit. I've just been realy busy with other things. Ill get on it though ^_^
@Lobster:
Well I heard that 4Kids already cast Hulk Hogan for the voice of Franky…
(runs)
Oh really?
That's a bummer because I was counting on Elvis being the voice of Franky.
(STILL FAKE)
A Hulk Hogan Franky would be funny though…
So Franky was to be voiced by and modeled after the greatest American Hero of all time huh.
Haha, I remember when that thing about Hulk Hogan appeard in Wikipedia, good times. It was just someone sneaking a joke in, of course.
Lol, I can see it now…
SUPER, brother! XD
Haha, I remember when that thing about Hulk Hogan appeard in Wikipedia, good times. It was just someone sneaking a joke in, of course.
o_O Good thing I missed that. I would have passed out or something.
So I'm watching the Digimon movie marathon today on Jetix right…...and I'm like "hey, these are all dubbed pretty darn good" and even though all the movies were dubbed recently (and debuted in America today) they kept as many of the old English voices as they could get (which was most of them, the only change I noticed was in Tai)
So I'm thinking:
-old voices that people like (certain people want to keep some of the One Piece voices) have been brought back-series that has had somewhat controversial dubs and varying quality in the past (One Piece's dub is beyond controversial, and its qualities varies with every frame)
didn't try to hide Japanese references or Japanese content, but they didn't throw it in your face either.
So.....yeah, seems to me this dubbing group would be perfect for One Piece. It happens to be Studiopolis, the Naruto dubbers (as in, they made the really good Naruto dub)All I can find that they've done, that I've seen, is Naruto and these newly dubbed Digimon movies. All very good work. The way I see it, they'd be a great company to dub One Piece (to do the dubbing work, not the licensing)
edit: Ok so original music may not have been kept, but content wise the movies went unchanged. Time cuts and thigns like that are to be expected for a marathon like this on a channel loaded with commercials like Jetix. But overall the quality in terms of everything other than music seemed really good.
The movies… Weren't dubbed that good. And if I recall, NONE of the original music was kept in the movies. Studiopolis is a good company, but they dubbed in continuty of Digimon. They even used all Digimon Frontier dub music... Not even in continuty of the movies they were based off of. In honesty, the movies had time cuts and were sped-up as well. (The ones after movie 3)
Are you sure, I guess I wasn't paying close enough attention because aside from the opening theme from season 4's dub, the movies seemed mostly untouched to me.
Edit: ahh yeah the music was changed. SO there's that, BUT the movies only had necessary time cuts to be aired on tv. The Digimon movies are all really short, and aside from the usual cuts for Jetix (commercial ridden, breaks every second) the movies were all there in their entirety.
In any case the script writing was there, as were original story elements and names (sans season 2's names).
Alright, back on topic. Why does no one know what goes on IN Toei. Are they that illusive to the public? Absolutley NO one has jobs there, or anything, and posts on One Piece forums?
Anyway, has anyone gotten any feed back? I got some more people to pitch in from Kaizoku Fansubs and I know that Kuhabara the man has already spread the news to the folks at "Toonzone".
I don't think asking Oda will work. He doesn't care about Americans. If we didn't exist he could care less. Same goes for eveyother place with One Piece fans that's not in Japan. I personally think that we need to try a new and faster approach.
Like writing to SHOUTEN JUMP MAGAZINE
OR
GOING TO VIZ STUDIOS (…maybe that's a strech)
or, and here is a good one During the next anime convention, you guys could physically tell toei and Funiamtion stuff you want.
I don't know guys… but I'm kind of loosing hope here... :sad:
Maybe if we wrote lots of letter to Oda... that were in kanji. Yes. That's exactly the fastest approach.
Come on people! We need to brainstorm!!
No one has a job there. The biggest connection we have to them is Firecrouch.
Not caring about Americans? Where did you get that assumption? And right after that you say to write to Oda.