That is your point of view. I got differend one.
Can we drop this to that?
General Blackbeard Thread
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@AD-HD:
That is your point of view. I got differend one.
Can we drop this to that?You can drop it to whatever you want, but the fact still remains no-one says it wasn't serious.
I can agree on that quote giving people different points of view, but I can't agree on splitting the sky not being serious
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People are giving BB's crew too much credit. As I stated, BB told his crew to hold back since they weren't on Ace's level… What does that mean?
Oh and I suppose the Strawhats currently are?
It means all but BB are not up to the standard of Mr. WB 2nd Division commander. So in other words, BB's crew has a long way to go before any of them could take him on. A couple of shots from Auger? So what, Ace just snuffed them off because of his Logia powers.
And if Ace didn't have Logia powers?
And really would any of the Strawhats aside from Luffy would survive being shot in the head by Van Auger and having a hotel thrown at them by Burgess?
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Huh? You've lost me here… I've not said the SH could take on Ace, nor BB crew with 100% certainity. Only weighed the facts against what we know so far.
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Seriously, BB telling his crew not to fight Ace is like Luffy saying that he'd be the only one to fight Lucci. Does that make the rest of the crew weak?
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If anything, BB telling his crew to stand back while he fights Ace is just to show how strong Ace is, not how weak BB's crew are.
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Or how strong BB is, like, "Zehehehe! I need no help defeating him!"
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@Impel:
Seriously, BB telling his crew not to fight Ace is like Luffy saying that he'd be the only one to fight Lucci. Does that make the rest of the crew weak?
This is a quote from stephens page of what he said to his crew
Crew: Dwaaah!!!
Blackbeard: Blast!!
Auger!! Burgess!! Don't start crap on your own!!!
You can't beat him yet!!!
Just stay back!!!So no it's nothing like luffy, Blackbeard directly says his cew can't beat ace.
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the only thing I'm wondering right now about the BB pirates is wether or not they'll ever have a proper pirate ship
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Yeah, because not only was that raft shit, it got destroyed.
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the only thing I'm wondering right now about the BB pirates is wether or not they'll ever have a proper pirate ship
Well, they're close to the world's premier ship-building site and Teach did just kick the ass of somebody who likely has a rather nice bounty on his head after all.
So there's a good chance that the next time we see the Blackbeard crew, they'll be aboard their sporty new battleship.
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Currently:
BB > Ace >> Luffy.. Ace >> BB's crew..
BB's Crew >> Luffy's crew..So there's a good chance that the next time we see the Blackbeard crew, they'll be aboard their sporty new battleship.
Yea.. more frighten, just like their's Jolly..
.. Into The Wilderness of Advance Wind ..
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Currently:
BB > Ace >> Luffy.. Ace >> BB's crew.. BB's Crew >> Luffy's crew..Yea.. more frighten, just like their's Jolly..
and how do u kno its like that…
if BB is stronger than luffy by that much...why would he want to fight luffy...we havent even see the crew fight each other yet...:getlost:
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and how do u kno its like that…
if BB is stronger than luffy by that much...why would he want to fight luffy...we havent even see the crew fight each other yet...:getlost:
Please read again this whole post above me, and you'll understand the explanation has done by other poster..
I'm just make it quick and easy to understand.... Into The Wilderness of Advance Wind ..
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Currently:
BB > Ace >> Luffy..
BB's Crew >> Luffy's crew..I'd say this is a stretch.
We never really knew if Luffy couldnt defeat Ace, we only knew that that ace as a kids could defeat luffy as a kid when luffy had a DF and Ace did not.
Ace >> BB's crew..
BB's Crew >> Luffy's crew..Given the fact that Ace was a Logia the fact that BB's crew couldn't touch him is not a fair measure of power. We havent even seen them fight. Burgess just tossed a bulding and Auger shot his gun once. Who's more powerful remain unproven due to lack of action.
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Aokiji is far above ace in strength.
In terms of Logia control yes. In terms of raw power possibly not.
He's already fought enel, he's seen his attacks miss and got the experience. Next time he fights one it will be different just how luffys was.
So why didn't he beat Akojii?
What the hell has this got to do with zor protecting his nakama?
I doubt Oda's going to have Zoro protection of his crewmates dictate fights otherwise Oda would have Zoro fight every single villain as they all would threaten his crewmates in some way.
Who said he should stop fighting swordsmen? And his reason for fighting a logia would be to protect his nakama
Because that's how it's always been and Oda has no reason to change that?
It'd be like if Nami or Ussop would suddenly eat a Devil Fruit which would be nothing more than a excuse to give those characters a cheap way to have them keep up with the others.
That's your opinion
Actually it would since it would since One Piece has done just fine with the current setup of Zoro's fights which have always been Swordsman VS Swordsman.
I mean if Zoro can now suddenly fight Logia's then why can't Chopper or Nami or (shudder) Ussop?
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Who on earth said the other strawhats were going to get abilities like asura and gears?
You used the possibility that Zoro can possibly cut elements as a excuse to explain why the Strawhats could beat Ace, I countered it by pointing out that chances are Zoro would be the only one would cut/shoot/pierce elements and he would also be the worst opponent against Ace. Imo Luffy would be a better opponent.
It's quite obvious luffy and zoro are above the pack and their moves are also above the rests, since they are new states.
Exactly so why does it matter if Zoro can cut elements if he's the only one who can? Especially since any competent Logia could probably beat Zoro.
Right and zoro is equal to luffy so he'd dodge everything too and I have full confidence that sanji would dodge too. Also don't forget usopp dodging in the enel fight and nami's dodges.
Those don't count because Eneru was only trying to knock them away. I'm sure that if Eneru was serious he could have easily killed those two.
And Zoro is equal to Luffy? Close to yes equal to no. At least from what I can tell.
You know when it comes down to it luffy will beat them, he's the main character he has to win.
Which do you think is more important for Oda? Luffy somehow defeating Akojii and Smoker for no reason (who by way the are neither main villains nor are they particularly evil) or OP being a good story?
As Aldrich said I don't why so many people want to shoehorn every single Yonku, Admiral, Vice-Admiral, Seven Armed Seas and other people of importance into opponents for the Strawhats. It is making it seem like the world revolves around the Strawhats.
Hell I'm not even sure Luffy is going to fight Jinbei.
I wasn't trying to stress the pirate king part, this part is more important "He will have to beat everyone in his way" aokiji marine= in his way and smoker comandore= in his way.
You know for some reason I doubt that Luffy is going to fight every single person in The Grand Line.
So? That still makes them 2nd rate since there are guys out there who can beat them. The guys who beat them are the strongest.
Chances are someone like Shanks or Mihawk could only achieve a stalemate against someone like Akojii. Why? Because although these people could possibly kill Akojii due to the cutting elements thing Akojii could just as easily kill them due to the whole freezing them thing.
Can Shanks survive being frozen solid?
I don't really care, usopp has nothing to do with what we are discussing. I was just commenting on the fact you seem to think because someone can shot far it makes his bullets faster or stronger.
If people can doubt Burgess fighting Sanji then I can doubt Ussop fighting Auger.
And they may not be faster but they would if fired from a good position be more or less undetectable by anyone besides Eneru.
Still doesn't make the bullets faster.
Yeah except said bullets are being shot by a guy who has excellent eyesight, a excellent gun, and is a excellent marksman.
Maybe because that was at the beginning of the series?
Zoro got sliced by mihawk one of the most powerful characters and survived and in the kaku fight he was showered with rankyaku's (which are far more powerful than bullets). So your opinion is flawed, the only way it wouldn't be is if someone was unable to move and then shot straight in the head. But they still probably wouldn't die according to oda's physics, strong characters can't die like that.
Well in that case Zoro has no chance against Mihawk as I seriously doubt a few sword slashes are going to take down Mihawk.
If ace had time to activate his powers when auger shot him out of nowhere, he'd easily notice and move from a bullet heading towards him. That happens with Strong characters and if this isn't the first manga you've read you'll know this.
Last time I checked Ace isn't Eneru or Mihawk. There isn't any evidence that Ace's senses are better than any other mid tier/high tier character. Also if Ace's senses and dodging are so good then how did Luffy knock him down in that bar in Alabasta?
In case you forgotten most Logia Users need to consciously activate their powers in order to avoid hits. Hence why Ace got knocked down in that bar.
Considering Luffy is probably no where near as quiet and stealthy as Van Auger and considering how unlike Luffy Auger has a method to kill Ace from a safe distance I don't see why he couldn't kill Ace with bullets Ace wouldn't see coming.
Let's not even mention Ace's Sleeping problem.
MAIN CHARACTER
JOBBING.
Your saying it's okay for Zoro, a swordsman with no where near experience as Mihawk and probably Laffite to be almost as strong as Shanks and close to Whitebeard but it's not okay for Lafitte?
Zoro ain't there yet and laffite isn't a main character
I never said Lafitte was there yet either. Also Lafitte might be a main/final villain.
By the time zoro reaches him his demon ki will be incredibly powerful, so roushiki moves will be nothing compared to that.
Seeing as how we haven't seen the limits of Roushiki I doubt that can be said at this point in the story.
I mean what if Lafitte knows stronger Roushiki variants or some variants we haven't seen.
Not to mention that if my theory is correct then that means Lafitte also has invisibility/camouflage and a invisible/camouflaged opponent would force Zoro to find a new limit to his senses.
Everyone in that room is too busy thinking about what the other is going to do, since they're all powerful foes. But if he attacked they'd notice, these are 2 sets of the most powerful characters in the series.
So what? That doesn't change the fact that none of the people there noticed he was there until he spoke up. Also the fact that he managed to get there in the first place is impressive.
Also you didn't answer my point about Lafitte getting to Barano Island in a short amount of time.
Because he isn't a main character
Yes but he is possibly a main/final villain and imo that is arguably just as important as a main character.
Goku was surpassed many times and at the end of the series gohan was the strongest. So you're wrong there adn your also forgetting what series inspired Oda.
Surpassed by who? The only characters I can think of who were stronger than Goku by the end of DBZ were Buu and Gohan and Gohan didn't beat Buu now did he?
Who beat Freeza? Goku.
Who beat Cell? Goku if I remember correctly.
Who beat Kid Buu? Goku.
See a pattern here?
Why can't cabaji be close to mihawk too!! He's been travelling the grandline he's getting stronger!!
Seeing as how Cabaji's feats are no where near as impressive as Laffite's and Cabaji isn't main/final villain material I don't see how that's relevant.
Oda can't go round making everyone as strong or near mihawk, it waters down the achievement.
That's funny because I can name several characters who aren't Whitestache or Shanks who are possibly close to Mihawk. They are:
The other two Yonku.
The other 7 Armed Seas aside from Crocodile.
Blackstubble
Akojii
Sengoku
The other two Admirals.
Zoro
Sanji
Luffy
The other Strawhats if you want to be technical.
That's 22 people. The achievement has been watered down quite a bit.
It still proves they aren't of high enough level, since higher level characters like whitebeard can obviously beat logia's. Being the boss of one show's this and being stronger than aokiji show's this too.
Although Whitestache is stronger than Akojii we don't how big the gap between them is. Also seeing as how a power of a Logia is somewhat proportional to a user's knowledge and skill it is fairly possible Ace doesn't completely understand how his powers work hence why he isn't a higher rank.
If they did, killing people like whitebeard, doflamingo, mihawk and shanks would be a walk in the park
We don't if Doflamingo even has a Devil Fruit let own what kind he has. However if theories are
Although Whitestache is stronger than Akojii we don't how big the gap between them is. Also seeing as how a power of a Logia is somewhat proportional to a user's knowledge and skill it is fairly possible Ace doesn't completely understand how his powers work hence why he isn't a higher rank.
If they did, killing people like whitebeard, doflamingo, mihawk and shanks would be a walk in the park
We don't if Doflamingo even has a Devil Fruit let own what kind he has. However if current theories are correct and Don has some sort of string fruit then technically a competent Logia user like Akojii could easily kill Flamingo due to the whole changing into elements.
As for the others well we don't really know how someone like Akojii would rank compared to Whitestache also I explained my position on the others.
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Please read again this whole post above me, and you'll understand the explanation has done by other poster..
I'm just make it quick and easy to understand..he didnt explain any point from ur results
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Part of the problem here in this thread, is everyone is grabbing at loose ends. When evidience is put forward from the manga text, the words of Oda, some are dismissing it. Remember this is Oda's word, not ours. I've said it before and I'll keep saying until I'm blue in the face - don't go against the writers word.
Now Oda through BB is telling us his crew are not strong enough to take Ace on. Are we forgetting BB was strong enough to strike Shanks here BEFORE BB had his DF, or does that not matter? Whatever the case, as his former Nakama he knows how strong Ace is.
Other things we know, Luffy never won a fight against Ace before his meramera powers… Luffy says he could now beat him, but Ace thinks otherwise.
Auger's skill that he has demostrated so far outweighs Usopp's as a sniper. He shot from a much futher distance then Usopp has so far. We know Laff. snuck into a Marine + Shichibukai meeting without being known until he spoke up.
Oh and one more thing... Someone mentioned Auger hit Ace directly right? Lets go back to what we know on logias, sure they can dodge bullets, but its a reflex action. They have to know its coming in order to react against it. So Ace KNEW Auger's bullets were coming. Could he have dodged it without his Mera Mera powers? I don't know, I'm not going to guess otherwise.
This is all we know. Lets make educational, not wild, guesses here and stop picking apart people's posts looking for a single shard of glass to stab the poster with. If you think their wrong, build up a SOLID argument in defence, not some "Your wrong!" statement and let it be the end of it. We're just going around and around in circles in a rather sad and childish manners pointing fingers and declaring people are wrong, forgeting there is only one finger pointing forward and 3 fingers pointing backwards at yourself.
Its the same thing with Zoro Vs Luffy and its the same thing happening here.
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Hoho, nicely said. That should shut those unmature kids up.
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Took your time replying
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! > In terms of Logia control yes. In terms of raw power possibly not.
! In terms of raw power he grabbed sanji and zoro, he then took a punch from luffy and didn't even flinch. So he's above ace in raw power too.
! > So why didn't he beat Akojii?
! That wasn't just zoro's fight, when he's on his own he'll most likely do something different. This is just speculation though it can't be proven right or wrong until we see it happen.
! > I doubt Oda's going to have Zoro protection of his crewmates dictate fights otherwise Oda would have Zoro fight every single villain as they all would threaten his crewmates in some way.
! Listen to what your saying, you think no-one other than luffy will ever get a crack at a logia or strong enemy. How on earth would it make another strawhat fight the villain each time? Luffy may be incapacitated when it happens, so what your saying is nonsense.
! > Because that's how it's always been and Oda has no reason to change that?It'd be like if Nami or Ussop would suddenly eat a Devil Fruit which would be nothing more than a excuse to give those characters a cheap way to have them keep up with the others.
! Do you even read what people write? Also what crap is this!?
Zoro has fought non-swordsmen many times, mostly when he needs to protect someone.
! luffy, Zoro and Sanji are the main fighters (maybe franky too now) so please stop adding usopp and nami to this debate. I don't care what they do, hopefully Oda won't make the mistake of them beating a great power.
! > Actually it would since it would since One Piece has done just fine with the current setup of Zoro's fights which have always been Swordsman VS Swordsman.I mean if Zoro can now suddenly fight Logia's then why can't Chopper or Nami or (shudder) Ussop?
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
! Zoro will fight whoever gets in the way, he's fought non-swordsmen many times. So your theory is flawed.
! > You used the possibility that Zoro can possibly cut elements as a excuse to explain why the Strawhats could beat Ace, I countered it by pointing out that chances are Zoro would be the only one would cut/shoot/pierce elements and he would also be the worst opponent against Ace. Imo Luffy would be a better opponent.
! You speculated so I speculated, when you use canon I use canon. How have you countered anything? I never said anyone else would be able to beat a logia, I just said you had no proof. Try reading before you reply cockily
! > Exactly so why does it matter if Zoro can cut elements if he's the only one who can? Especially since any competent Logia could probably beat Zoro.
! It matters because as a swordsman that will be his skill and no-one elses.
! > Those don't count because Eneru was only trying to knock them away. I'm sure that if Eneru was serious he could have easily killed those two.
! Pure speculation
! > And Zoro is equal to Luffy? Close to yes equal to no. At least from what I can tell.
! If you disagree take it to the luffy and zoro thread.
! > Which do you think is more important for Oda? Luffy somehow defeating Akojii and Smoker for no reason (who by way the are neither main villains nor are they particularly evil) or OP being a good story?
! Smoker is chasing luffy and aokiji is supposed to capture him since he's a marine. So your wrong there.
! > As Aldrich said I don't why so many people want to shoehorn every single Yonku, Admiral, Vice-Admiral, Seven Armed Seas and other people of importance into opponents for the Strawhats. It is making it seem like the world revolves around the Strawhats.Hell I'm not even sure Luffy is going to fight Jinbei.
! Opinions and speculation
! > You know for some reason I doubt that Luffy is going to fight every single person in The Grand Line.
! Speculation
! > Chances are someone like Shanks or Mihawk could only achieve a stalemate against someone like Akojii. Why? Because although these people could possibly kill Akojii due to the cutting elements thing Akojii could just as easily kill them due to the whole freezing them thing.Can Shanks survive being frozen solid?
! All we are told is the powers are equal, anything else is pure speculation
! > If people can doubt Burgess fighting Sanji then I can doubt Ussop fighting Auger.And they may not be faster but they would if fired from a good position be more or less undetectable by anyone besides Eneru.
! I don't care about usopp
! > Yeah except said bullets are being shot by a guy who has excellent eyesight, a excellent gun, and is a excellent marksman.
! Still doesn't make the bullets any faster
! > Well in that case Zoro has no chance against Mihawk as I seriously doubt a few sword slashes are going to take down Mihawk.
! LoL, isn't it obvious zoro isn't onhis level yet.
! > Last time I checked Ace isn't Eneru or Mihawk. There isn't any evidence that Ace's senses are better than any other mid tier/high tier character. Also if Ace's senses and dodging are so good then how did Luffy knock him down in that bar in Alabasta?In case you forgotten most Logia Users need to consciously activate their powers in order to avoid hits. Hence why Ace got knocked down in that bar.
Considering Luffy is probably no where near as quiet and stealthy as Van Auger and considering how unlike Luffy Auger has a method to kill Ace from a safe distance I don't see why he couldn't kill Ace with bullets Ace wouldn't see coming.
! Sanji dodged a shot to the head, against cricket now ace is a stronger character than sanji so he wouldn't have a problem dodging a bullet. What your saying isn't a fight, your example is an assasination. Also like I said before if it was how you described Whitebeard, shanks mihawk and doflamingo could easily be killed by auger.
! > JOBBING.
! Never heard of this word, but whatever it means it doesn't beat MAIN CHARACTER status.
! > I never said Lafitte was there yet either. Also Lafitte might be a main/final villain.Seeing as how we haven't seen the limits of Roushiki I doubt that can be said at this point in the story.
I mean what if Lafitte knows stronger Roushiki variants or some variants we haven't seen.
Not to mention that if my theory is correct then that means Lafitte also has invisibility/camouflage and a invisible/camouflaged opponent would force Zoro to find a new limit to his senses.
! This is all speculation, I'm going off canon your just saying "what if, he might, maybe" From what we've been shown it is impossible to determine anything other than he can't beat ace. And since BB hasn't attacked WB yet it means he doesn't have the power yet. So That means WB>>>>>>ace and the younkou=MHQ=Shichibukai. This makes these characters more powerful than ace, from what we know anything else is speculation.
! > So what? That doesn't change the fact that none of the people there noticed he was there until he spoke up. Also the fact that he managed to get there in the first place is impressive.
! So what? If he attacked he'd lose.
! > Also you didn't answer my point about Lafitte getting to Barano Island in a short amount of time.
! You say this like it matters…
! > Yes but he is possibly a main/final villain and imo that is arguably just as important as a main character.
! You understand the meaning of MAIN right?
! > Surpassed by who? The only characters I can think of who were stronger than Goku by the end of DBZ were Buu and Gohan and Gohan didn't beat Buu now did he?Who beat Freeza? Goku.
Who beat Cell? Goku if I remember correctly.
Who beat Kid Buu? Goku.
See a pattern here?
! This proves nothing, you were wrong in saying goku was the strongest. When it is clearly buuhan, gohan, buutenks, gotenks, super buu, SSj3 goku, kid buu, fat buu
! > Seeing as how Cabaji's feats are no where near as impressive as Laffite's and Cabaji isn't main/final villain material I don't see how that's relevant.
! I was being sarcastic
! > That's funny because I can name several characters who aren't Whitestache or Shanks who are possibly close to Mihawk. They are:The other two Yonku.
The other 7 Armed Seas aside from Crocodile.
Blackstubble
Akojii
Sengoku
The other two Admirals.
Zoro
Sanji
Luffy
The other Strawhats if you want to be technical.
That's 22 people. The achievement has been watered down quite a bit.
! Haha the only one's close to mihawk on that list are whitebeard (who is the best) shanks and maybe sengoku.
! Mihawk is the only character other than the WB who has a title, given by ODA not an OPverse character. Sat down with a flick of his wrist he cut a giant galleon, he disappeared without a trace in a coffin when krieg attacked him. This shows speed faster than anything we've ever seen and he took the boat with him.
! This really was pathetic can't wait till the manga shows you this.
! > Although Whitestache is stronger than Akojii we don't how big the gap between them is. Also seeing as how a power of a Logia is somewhat proportional to a user's knowledge and skill it is fairly possible Ace doesn't completely understand how his powers work hence why he isn't a higher rank.
! And? Whitebeard is still stronger
! > We don't if Doflamingo even has a Devil Fruit let own what kind he has. However if theories areAlthough Whitestache is stronger than Akojii we don't how big the gap between them is. Also seeing as how a power of a Logia is somewhat proportional to a user's knowledge and skill it is fairly possible Ace doesn't completely understand how his powers work hence why he isn't a higher rank.
We don't if Doflamingo even has a Devil Fruit let own what kind he has. However if current theories are correct and Don has some sort of string fruit then technically a competent Logia user like Akojii could easily kill Flamingo due to the whole changing into elements.
! If he could be beaten that easily he wouldn't be equal to to the other two powers and wouldn't start a fight with sengoku.
! > As for the others well we don't really know how someone like Akojii would rank compared to Whitestache also I explained my position on the others.
! Yes we do the manga says they are EQUAL and the only one who can win in a one on one is WB -
and how do u kno its like that…
if BB is stronger than luffy by that much...why would he want to fight luffy...we havent even see the crew fight each other yet...:getlost:
For the simple fact that Ace's "Mera Mera" >>> Luffy's "Gears." Also Blackbeard as of now has shown the MOST powerful abilities up to date, nobody shown so far can beat him. Luffy is nowhere near Blackbeard.
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Also Blackbeard has of now has shown the MOST powerful abilities
Well, if you won't include Eneru, Aokiji, Shanks and Whitebeard to that list.
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We have yet to See Shanks and Whitebeard in action so I did NOT include them in the list.
Blackbeard >>>>>>>>>>>> Ener and Aokiji!
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Blackbeard >>>>>>>>>>>> Ener and Aokiji!
Maybe, but I think that destroying an island alone or freezing ocean is much more bigger than destroying some town.
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Blackbeard has the powers of a BLACK HOLE!!!! Black Hole >>>>>lightning!
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Blackbeard has the powers of a BLACK HOLE!!!! Black Hole >>>>>lightning!
You didn't get my point at all.
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Really, my bad. I think Blackbeard beating up on Ace, a Logia user who is Whitebeard's second division commander is the best yet. Also, Blackbeard being able to CANCEL any Devil fruit powers is more impressive to me than blowing up some islands. Not to mention, Blackbeards track record is more impressive than Ener's. Well we each have our own opinions, cheers.
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Haha the only one's close to mihawk on that list are whitebeard (who is the best) shanks and maybe sengoku.
Bull**&$. Akojii was was called "The Strongest Fighter of The Marines". I don't see Sengoku being called that. If Akojii can't beat Mihawk then neither can Sengoku
And I've yet to see or hear any evidence that Shanks or Mihawk are far superior to Akojii. Going by all of their feats as well as their titles they should all be in the same powergroup.
And if that's true than Zoro has no chance against Mihawk as according to you Zoro will never be close to Mihawk let alone be stronger than him.
Mihawk is the only character other than the WB who has a title, given by ODA not an OPverse character. Sat down with a flick of his wrist he cut a giant galleon, he disappeared without a trace in a coffin when krieg attacked him. This shows speed faster than anything we've ever seen and he took the boat with him.
Akojii has a Oda title too it's called "The strongest fighter in the Marines" by your Logic Ako should be equal to people like Whitestache and Mihawk.
Akojii froze a entire ocean as well as a sea monster and a giant.
He also beat the Strawhats without even trying.
He was snapped in half by Robin and he regenerated.
This really was pathetic can't wait till the manga shows you this.
I didn't know you were Oda. Can I have your autograph?
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I see you only chose certain parts of my post.
Bull**&$. Akojii was was called "The Strongest Fighter of The Marines". I don't see Sengoku being called that. If Akojii can't beat Mihawk then neither can Sengoku
I forgot about his title, but notice how it is limited to THE MARINES. Mihawk and whitebeards isn't restricted to a group, the only limit for theirs is the world.
And I've yet to see or hear any evidence that Shanks or Mihawk are far superior to Akojii. Going by all of their feats as well as their titles they should all be in the same powergroup.
The government were bricking it when shanks wanted to meet whitebeard and whitebeard and shanks split the SKY!! Mihawk is shanks rival so he is also capable of those feats.
Theres your superiority
And if that's true than Zoro has no chance against Mihawk as according to you Zoro will never be close to Mihawk let alone be stronger than him.
Wrong according to me zoro will defeat mihawk at the end of the series, so don't twist my words.
Akojii has a Oda title too it's called "The strongest fighter in the Marines" by your Logic Ako should be equal to people like Whitestache and Mihawk.
Already explained this
Akojii froze a entire ocean as well as a sea monster and a giant.
He froze enough to reach another island, freezing it all is your speculation. T-bone cut a sea monster in half is he as strong as mihawk too? And I'm not going to bother mentioning saulo
He also beat the Strawhats without even trying.
Mihawk used a butter knife on zoro and dismissed luffy like trash with a simple movement. Guess what we wasn't trying at all, while aokiji used his powers quite alot.
He was snapped in half by Robin and he regenerated.
All logias do this
I didn't know you were Oda. Can I have your autograph?
I didn't know you were a failed comedian
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Bull**&$. Akojii was was called "The Strongest Fighter of The Marines". I don't see Sengoku being called that. If Akojii can't beat Mihawk then neither can Sengoku And I've yet to see or hear any evidence that Shanks or Mihawk are far superior to Akojii. Going by all of their feats as well as their titles they should all be in the same powergroup.
And if that's true than Zoro has no chance against Mihawk as according to you Zoro will never be close to Mihawk let alone be stronger than him.
Your right, there is no evidence that suggests that Shanks and Mihawk are above Aokiji, only the difference in power can decide that. We have to consider Mihawk's World-class title and Shanks being one of the greatest pirates who is currently fighting the World's Strongest man.
Akojii has a Oda title too it's called "The strongest fighter in the Marines" by your Logic Ako should be equal to people like Whitestache and Mihawk.
Akojii froze a entire ocean as well as a sea monster and a giant.
He also beat the Strawhats without even trying.
He was snapped in half by Robin and he regenerated.
I didn't know you were Oda. Can I have your autograph?
Mihawk and Whitebeard have WORLD Class titles, which means they are the two tops in the Entire One Piece World. Aokiji is Crazy strong, we have to wait and see him in real action. We are about to find out what Shanks is made of, currently fighting Whitebeard.
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Your right, there is no evidence that suggests that Shanks and Mihawk are above Aokiji, only the difference in power can decide that. We have to consider Mihawk's World-class title and Shanks being one of the greatest pirates who is currently fighting the World's Strongest man.
True but how much weaker can Akojii be then Mihawk and Shanks?
And assuming they are all roughly even then how exactly can Mihawk and Shanks beat Ako in a fair fight?
Mihawk and Whitebeard have WORLD Class titles, which means they are the two tops in the Entire One Piece World. Aokiji is Crazy strong, we have to wait and see him in real action. We are about to find out what Shanks is made of, currently fighting Whitebeard.
Seeing as how the Marines are one of the 3 World Powers and seeing as how supposedly all 3 powers are roughly equal to each other Akojii's title of "Strongest fighter of the Marines" should be a World class title.
And you are right about the thing about action I'm just saying that Akojii shouldn't be sold short.
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I forgot about his title, but notice how it is limited to THE MARINES. Mihawk and whitebeards isn't restricted to a group, the only limit for theirs is the world.
3 World Powers anyone?
The government were bricking it when shanks wanted to meet whitebeard and whitebeard and shanks split the SKY!! Mihawk is shanks rival so he is also capable of those feats.
The World Goverment were also bricking it over Orhara and Luffy as well. The WG are quite paranoid in case you haven't noticed. And Akojii froze the sea if that counts.
Wrong according to me zoro will defeat mihawk at the end of the series, so don't twist my words.
Yeah well according to me all of those people I listed are possibly close to Mihawk as well. Not stronger than but close to. Don't twist my words either.
He froze enough to reach another island, freezing it all is your speculation. T-bone cut a sea monster in half is he as strong as mihawk too? And I'm not going to bother mentioning saulo
Cutting a sea monster is one thing. Freezing one for several days is another.
And I doubt Mihawk or Shanks could survive being frozen solid.
Well by that Logic all of Mihawks feats are unimpressive.
So what if he wiped out Krieg's pirate fleet? Krieg was a weakling compared to others and so was his fleet.
So what if he dodged some bullets? According to you everyone can dodge bullets.
And seeing as how those two at Ennis Lobby smashing through various people not to mention Gecko Moria prove that Giants are a force to be reckoned with which makes killing one impressive.
I can undermine his feats too.
Mihawk used a butter knife on zoro and dismissed luffy like trash with a simple movement. Guess what we wasn't trying at all, while aokiji used his powers quite alot.
That's funny all I recall Akojii doing with his powers were freezing things and making objects out of ice. That's probably not difficult for someone like him. And if I recall Ako held back several Strawhats with his bare hands.
And that doesn't count cause Zoro and Luffy were weaker back then.
All logias do this
Dodging is one thing. Putting yourself back together after being snapped is another.
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True but how much weaker can Akojii be then Mihawk and Shanks? And assuming they are all roughly even then how exactly can Mihawk and Shanks beat Ako in a fair fight?
Shanks and Mihawk don't sail the Grandline for no reason. It is obvious they can fight Logia's. Whitebeard uses a blade and he is the strongest in the world, HOW they can fight Logia's, only time will tell.
Seeing as how the Marines are one of the 3 World Powers and seeing as how supposedly all 3 powers are roughly equal to each other Akojii's title of "Strongest fighter of the Marines" should be a World class title.
And you are right about the thing about action I'm just saying that Akojii shouldn't be sold short.
Yeah, the Three World powers are equal, but that does not mean everyone INDIVIDUALLY in the three great powers are equal. We shall see who is stronger than who.
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3 World Powers anyone?
Their not all of the exact same strength, their all just on the same level of strength which makes a winner hard to decide. Unless they have world class titles, which mihawk holds.
The World Goverment were also bricking it over Orhara and Luffy as well. The WG are quite paranoid in case you haven't noticed. And Akojii froze the sea if that counts.
Not like when shanks was meeting WB and aokiji froze some of the ocean.
You didn't respond to Shanks and WB splitting the sky, that means they cut something that cannot be cut. So this shows they can cut elements, mihawk rivals shanks to he can fight at that level too.
Yeah well according to me all of those people I listed are possibly close to Mihawk as well. Not stronger than but close to. Don't twist my words either.
You with your own words put them up there with mihawk, you didn't say close.
Cutting a sea monster is one thing. Freezing one for several days is another.
They both died,that's all that matters.
And I doubt Mihawk or Shanks could survive being frozen solid.
First of all you didn't repond to mihawks speed so you must not have a comeback to that. Mihawks speed wouldn't allow himself to be hit by an ice attack and that goes for shanks too.
Well by that Logic all of Mihawks feats are unimpressive.
So what if he wiped out Krieg's pirate fleet? Krieg was a weakling compared to others and so was his fleet.
You miss the sat down and will a flick of the wrist while paying almost no attention at all part?
So what if he dodged some bullets? According to you everyone can dodge bullets.
Although to mihawk it was more of a pain, he made no real effort what so ever
And seeing as how those two at Ennis Lobby smashing through various people not to mention Gecko Moria prove that Giants are a force to be reckoned with which makes killing one impressive.
I can undermine his feats too.
There are no giants in the powers at the moment so they aren't up there with the big boys.
That's funny all I recall Akojii doing with his powers were freezing things and making objects out of ice. That's probably not difficult for someone like him. And if I recall Ako held back several Strawhats with his bare hands.
Using ice is aokijis most powerful advantage, mihawk never used a sword he used a butter knife.
And that doesn't count cause Zoro and Luffy were weaker back then.
Mihawk would probably still do the same thing to them both
Dodging is one thing. Putting yourself back together after being snapped is another.
Logia's don't dodge they get hit but you can't hurt an element which makes your arm pass through them, so what on earth are you saying here?
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Shanks and Mihawk don't sail the Grandline for no reason. It is obvious they can fight Logia's. Whitebeard uses a blade and he is the strongest in the world, HOW they can fight Logia's, only time will tell.
That's assuming they actualy met a Logia and said Logia was incompetent.
Yeah, the Three World powers are equal, but that does not mean everyone INDIVIDUALLY in the three great powers are equal. We shall see who is stronger than who.
But really seeing as how from what I can tell the strength of the 3 powers comes from their most powerful members (The Warlords, The Yonku, and The Admirals) and all 3 powers are equal even though there are only three Admirals then shouldn't the Admirals and therefore Akojii be close to the Yonku and Shikibukai?
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That's assuming they actualy met a Logia and said Logia was incompetent.
Well, Shanks was claiming that he was stronger than Ace who has the "Mera Mera" Fruit which is a logia. Whitebeard is obviously in control of Ace, right?
But really seeing as how from what I can tell the strength of the 3 powers comes from their most powerful members (The Warlords, The Yonku, and The Admirals) and all 3 powers are equal even though there are only three Admirals then shouldn't the Admirals and therefore Akojii be close to the Yonku and Shikibukai?
The Marines HQ's are EQUAL to the Emperors and Shichibukai! Now INDIVIDUALLY we won't know who is stronger than who until we see their abilities in action.
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Well, Shanks was claiming that he was stronger than Ace who has the "Mera Mera" Fruit which is a logia. Whitebeard is obviously in control of Ace, right?
Ace isn't Akojii though.
The Marines HQ's are EQUAL to the Emperors and Shichibukai! Now INDIVIDUALLY we won't know who is stronger than who until we see their abilities in action.
But aren't The 3A's The marines most powerful forces? And I doubt the troops of the marines matter as from what I can tell most of their troops are cannon fodder. So therefore shouldn't it be safe to say that the marines are only equal to the Shichibukai and Yonku because of the Admirals?
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i have to say i agree with superstar and OiP
though aokiji is concerning me a lot,first of all if i recall corectly the only statements made for aokiji and his strenght were done by robin,right?
but didn't robin say aokiji was the strongest admiral???? i am not sure but i think aokiji was stated as the strongest admiral not the strongest marine
basically lyffy has a debt with aokiji and if he fights moria,aokiji,WB,BB and jinbei then why do others exist???
i am a zoro fan i am pleased that zoro will fight mihawk cuz this way oda will repay him for putting him to fight secondary characters compared to luffy
but if aokiji is indeed the strongest marine i am pissed on oda for sanji,zoro will fight mihawk who propably is the strongest schichibukai,luffy will fight WB who is the strongest yonkou and i thought sengoku would be the strongest marine and sanji would fight him somehow
but if aokiji is the strongest marine then isn't luffy given the spotlight ridiculously often????
i hope the strongest admoral thing counts,i will search it tomorrow
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Ace isn't Akojii though.
well aokiji is certainly stronger but that is speculation,i expect from aokiji to be able to fight somehow other logia,i don't think such an extremely strong character would be equal with ace,croc,eneru or smoker
well we will find out in 4 or 5 or 6 or more years (it is irritating to wait that much)
But aren't The 3A's The marines most powerful forces? And I doubt the troops of the marines matter as from what I can tell most of their troops are cannon fodder. So therefore shouldn't it be safe to say that the marines are only equal to the Shichibukai and Yonku because of the Admirals?
well garp is a VA,sengoku sure is a monster too,smoker is logia so i think the other marines play a big part
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I think that Aoi Koji is extremely powerful. As strong as WB and Mihawk? Tough to call but I would say in the same class. Definately a top tier though in my book.
WB though talks about Sengoku and Garp when refering to the past. The way he talks about them though, it seems like WB classifies them as equals. Now Garp is most likely weaker then before, dont know about Sengoku, but I think he is near WB.
Now as we have seen in the marines status wont reflect fighting abilities alone. I personally doubt that Sengoku is weaker the Aoi Koji but who knows? Im really more interested in the other admirals though.
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Admirals are Marines foo.
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Ace isn't Akojii though.
True, I believe Aokiji is stronger than Ace. It still suggest that Shanks is able to fight Logia users head up, capable of being stronger than them to.
But aren't The 3A's The marines most powerful forces? And I doubt the troops of the marines matter as from what I can tell most of their troops are cannon fodder. So therefore shouldn't it be safe to say that the marines are only equal to the Shichibukai and Yonku because of the Admirals?
Yes, three Admirals are the most powerful force of the marines. You must include the entire Marines because you have guys like Smoker, Hina, Helmeopp etc. who can take care of the Shichibukai's and the Emperors HEAVY crew members (Marco, Ben Beckman, Ryuma}.
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@ sadrhg cant really tell if your post was aimed at me, but if it was when did I ever say admirals arent marines?
btw I know that the direct translation for Whitebeard is White Mustache.
Still though calling him Whitestache is weird. If you're going to do it right call him WhiteMustache.
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I found something interesting…..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbeard_Pirates#Crew_Information
According to here some of the BB Pirates were inspired by The Adventures of Baron Munchausen.
Jesus Burgess=Albrecht (super strength)
Van Auger=Adolphus (Sniper)
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Hmm, just wanna add something; Shanks has fought equal before with Mihawk.. And wha you says about butterknife is wrong; I lnow there aint no nationality fro m our worl in OP, but they are made by natioanlty, right? He is hispanic (Mihawk) and theirs swordschol train with knife alot. That is why it aint just a butterknife :p
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You didn't respond to Shanks and WB splitting the sky, that means they cut something that cannot be cut. So this shows they can cut elements, mihawk rivals shanks to he can fight at that level too.
Just one thing, they didn't actually cut the sky, only clouds. That was just figure of speech. or something like that.
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@AD-HD:
Just one thing, they didn't actually cut the sky, only clouds. That was just figure of speech. or something like that.
Joz: But it seems their talks have broken down.
Look at the sky.Pirate: The clouds…
NO... the SKY has been split!!!This quote makes it pretty clear that they didn't just rearrange some clouds, they've obviously damaged the sky itself.
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This quote makes it pretty clear that they didn't just rearrange some clouds, they've obviously damaged the sky itself.
Tell me, how the hell do you cut the sky? Will you see another dimension when you do that?
OMGZ!!! SHANKS AND WHITEBEARD CAN TRAVEL IN TO ANOTHER DIMENSION!!!!!!1111+…No.
Here you can see that it is very cloudy day:
http://www.onepiecehq.com/manga-viewer/index.php?twg_album=Volume+45%2FChapter+434&twg_show=One_Piece-434-13.jpg
And here:
http://www.onepiecehq.com/manga-viewer/index.php?twg_album=Volume+45%2FChapter+434&twg_show=One_Piece-434-15.jpg
And here you can see them splitting only clouds:
http://www.onepiecehq.com/manga-viewer/index.php?twg_album=Volume+45%2FChapter+434&twg_show=One_Piece-434-16-17.jpg
That 'split the sky' is just figure of speech.
And I know that you will show me again that text and I will say again that it is just figure of speech. And eventually this will lead to nothing.But damn, that is one impressive scene.
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well from the picture it can be seen that the sky itself is split and that the clouds are under the sky
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Yes, I must agree, that they DID split the element..
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Well, wind can just blow clouds apart.
