How many ppl thinks ace is dead after that little summary at the end of the chapter?…i think it leans towards ace being dead or captured....well i think ode gonna make it not clear in the next chapter ....if he does we'll be in suspend longer......and i think that would add more to the chaos that will come later if ace death is unclear...i think black beard still gonna go after luffy since don't think he gonna get the position just for killing ace...thought he needed to kill one of the Shichibukai..one thing for sure is something has to happen to ace and black beard definitly not dead...well i'm gonna vote that ace isn't dead since i really like his character and want to c more of him.....
Chapter 441 POLL about ace?
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I don't think it'll ever be clear until there's proof.
Until then, I'm leaning toward that he's alive, but other wise voting that it's unclear.Was this poll approved?
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Somehow I don't think so.
(Poll disabled until I hear otherwise)
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oops sorry didn't know i hav to get the poll approved
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i think that the next chapter's going to go back to the straw hats and be totally oblivous about what happened to ace…
somewhere (most likely the end of this saga) is going to tell whatever happened to ace, so we're goin to have to sit tight about it...
while reading the entire chapter, and at the end, i really thought ace was/is dead. but after thinking about it, knowing oda, he's probably captured or something like that, (left on the sea, straw hats find him, some other bull)
but then again, how would you capture someone as powerful as ace and keep him somewhere (but i guess turning him in to the World Government and BB finally taking crocodile's place would make some sense)i dont really know... i think the later would probably happen...
closing note: does it seem a bit weird that they reveal BB's weakness a bit early?
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You do realize this is One Piece…right? Do you actually think that Ace is dead?:getlost:
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You do realize this is One Piece…right? Do you actually think that Ace is dead?:getlost:
Yep. It would desperately help the story. He needs to die to keep this story moving. Otherwise, Oda's gonna have to pull something else out of his ass at the last second.
He needs to die.
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@Private:
Yep. It would desperately help the story. He needs to die to keep this story moving. Otherwise, Oda's gonna have to pull something else out of his ass at the last second.
He needs to die.
That's just your opinion on the storyline….not Oda's.........
and besides, how many times have you seen Oda pull something else out of his ass at the last second? probably plenty.....
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Ace is probably going to be knwn as Pell2 sooner or later. Everyone, Blackbeard included, will think he's dead and act on that premise until the chapter when Oda shows us that he's really alive and we'll all go "meh".
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I'm thinking he's dead.
Could be wrong, but that bit at the end talking about its impact makes me think he is.
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Even though I like Ace, I really hope he is dead. It will give Luffy a personal vendetta against BB… and I think Luffy needs something more than just his dream to motivate him. Also, you know Whitebeard is gonna be pissed that his 2nd officer is dead. And if the theories about Ace being Shank's son turns out to be true... fogetta 'bout it! I totally agree with Zulen on this one.
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i think he got absorbed.. but he can survive it cuz hes logia. hell probaly be back once someone beats whitebeard or lays some smack down on him at least..
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I'm guessing if Ace ain't dead, he's probably in the hands of the WG. Or perhaps he's absorbed inside Blackbeard, when Luffy hits him enough, BB will spit Ace back out (Ala Cell)
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I'm guessing if Ace ain't dead, he's probably in the hands of the WG. Or perhaps he's absorbed inside Blackbeard, when Luffy hits him enough, BB will spit Ace back out (Ala Cell)
oh yeah…... forgot about Cell though........ can Blackbeard start sucking logias to get more power in the first place? if he can, then he is OP's Cell..... ;)
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I'm pretty sure he's dead. I mean in the end of the chapter it clearly says : The duel would trigger an incident that would occur.
Im pretty sure that incident will be whitebeard making a move or something.
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i second bushido and Zulen.
I also think the whole crew will be pissed
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It'll be like when Cell absorbed Android 18, and you think she/Ace's dead, but then Luffy will punch Blackbeard really hard in the gut and Ace will spew out of him, leading to Luffy sending BB flying.
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I think Ace is still alive or maybe the fight was a draw or a tie
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I believe that this could go either way and I have a simple reason for it.
Oda hasn't killed anyone thus far because none of the people that were would have been mistaken for dead (Pell, the Villains), would have imparted the story in a meaningful way in either scenario, If Pell did die, It would have changed NOTHING.
However in the case of Ace, his living or dying would drasticall impact the events of the story therefore there is more probable cause that it would happen.
Oda doesn't kill people 1 for the reason he stated but IMO 2 for the reason that noone hes needed to advance the story dramastically has been in that situation.
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Given this is a flashback as stated when the fight started, it is completely possible he is dead. But going by the trackrecord…. unlikely he wont show up again.
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Generally speaking the only type of "flashback" where people actually die is when one of the main characters is having the flashback, like Nami. This is just a scene that happened earlier, and in my opinion not the same as the death flashbacks where people have died (though maybe there was a death in a flashback like this if so please correct me).
This doesn't mean that Ace is alive, as just because Oda has done something one way for a long time doesn't mean that he'll NEVER do it that way. He's probably aware that his audience is maturing with the series, and acting accordingly.
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I'd like to see him dead, it wold have a much larger impact than him surviving and being captured or whatever. However, chances are, he isn't dead, and was captured by Teach in order to bate Luffy or give a "gift" to the World Government.
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The people saying : Do you read ONEPIECE ? Oda doesn t kill people. BLABLABLA
need to open their eyes and read ONE PIECE because the fckng manga BEGINS with the DEATH of an important person.
The death that triggered the pirate age.
And now a new age will be triggered by a death too.
Even BB says : it s a shame you ll have to DIE in darkness (or something like that)And about the pells and other lucky bastards I think they existed for the only purpose to make us believe Ace isn t dead now.
And knowing Oda, he ll keep us in the dark for the entire series hoping Ace will pop up from somewhere but NO he is dead –> Hope you understood. -
The people saying : Do you read ONEPIECE ? Oda doesn t kill people. BLABLABLA
need to open their eyes and read ONE PIECE because the fckng manga BEGINS with the DEATH of an important person.
The death that triggered the pirate age.
And now a new age will be triggered by a death too.
Even BB says : it s a shame you ll have to DIE in darkness (or something like that)And about the pells and other lucky bastards I think they existed for the only purpose to make us believe Ace isn t dead now.
And knowing Oda, he ll keep us in the dark for the entire series hoping Ace will pop up from somewhere but NO he is dead –> Hope you understood.I like the way you think!
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I think Ace is alive. Beyond that, who knows?
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This POLL wil last for another 1 year before we know the fate of ace. U know Oda… Next chapter he will move the focus back to the mugiwara and their new quest.
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he is dead,yep,he is
oda by making the small fries survive will make an important characters death more flashy
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Maybe Blackbeard's "reunion" with Luffy will go a-like this:
LUFFY: I'm gonna kick your ass!
BLACKBEARD: Oh… like your brother did?
LUFFY: WHAT??
BLACKBEARD: ejects a comatose Ace
LUFFY Now I'm REALLY GONNA KICK YOUR ASS!!
Actually, I think it would be hilarious if Ace was dead. In fact, I even tried to form the Ace Is Dead Society, or AIDS for short. PM me to join. -
You know, when people die (who is important)… it is usually only in a flashback.
This was a flashback (even though 3 days ago, a flashback is a flashback). -
I think Ace lived, but was ultimatly defeated.
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askaban? What? Your quote didn't even work! Stop doing lots of elipses and capitalaizing Ace. Ugh, I need to sit down after reading this.
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What about that blank piece of paper that Ace gave to Luffy in Alabasta? It is still sewn to Luffy's hat. Ace said something about the paper having to do with where they are meeting next. If Ace is dead, what purpose does that paper serve? Yeah well ,think we'll probably be kept in the dark a while longer about the result from Black Beard and Ace's battle.
From Wiki
"Originally in the manga, Ace briefly meet the Straw Hats in Nanohana, gives Luffy a slip of paper then sails off."
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i don't think ace is dead, well i think he lost. i don't think that the next chapter will be about the fight between ace and black beard. we'll see what will happen sooner or later. only oda knows the answer
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What about that blank piece of paper that ACE gave to LuFFY in askaban. It still sewn to his hat. ACe said it was a paper that tells luffy when they are meeting next…...if ace is dead what purpose does that paper serve?........yeah well we'll probably be kept in the dark a while longer about bb and ace...............anyway can't wait for the next few weeks chapters to come out...sounds like it gonna be big....
What the futch? Are you quoting yourself??
What is Askaban?
Ask-a-Ban! The Grand Line's newest hit talk show, starring everybody's favourite fish-giant, Big-Ban!!
DIRECTOR: Okay, you're on.
BIG-BAN: …Hah?
AND his awesomely awesome (and brainlessly brainless) co-host, PORCHE-CHAAAAAAAN~!
PORCHE: Hellooooo, everybody! Welcome to Ask a Ban, with me!
DIRECTOR: Psst!
PORCHE: ...And Big-Ban.
BIG-BAN: Hah?
PORCHE: blowing kisses to the crowd Today's guest is a man you've all heard of, the Grand Line's most hated, Director of Intelligence SPANDAM-SAN!
SPANDAM: Thank you, thank you... maggots.
PORCHE: Won't you have a seat?
SPANDAM: No, thank you. The halo doesn't allow that.
PORCHE: Why don't you take it off, silly?
SPANDAM: The doctor says not until my spine heals.
BIG-BAN: HA HA HA HA!
PORCHE: So, Spandam-kun. Let's cut right to the chase: why are you no longer the head of CP9, the secret assassin arm of Cipher Pol?
SPANDAM: H-How do you know that?
PORCHE: I watch CNN. So, what happened?
SPANDAM: Well, the details are mostly classified, but it... well, it happened with a woman.
PORCHE: Really? Ooooooooooooooh! Girl trouble! How 'bout that, Big-Ban?
BIG-BAN: Hah?
PORCHE: So what happened?
SPANDAM: Well, I had the bitch in handcuffs, right?
PORCHE: Handcuffs?
SPANDAM: Then some asshat calls me on the snail, and I spilled my coffee. So I sent out the giants, but I left the phone off the hook when I pulled the fruit outta the box...
PORCHE: Coffee and fruit, right...
SPANDAM: ...and some ass clown let the Straw Hat get onto the courthouse roof, so I screamed--in a very manly way of course...
PORCHE: Of course!
SPANDAM: ...but then Flam grabs the bitch with his crotch, and his ass swells up...
PORCHE: Ass? Crotch?
SPANDAM: ...so once they flew out the window, I made her cry. But that bastard burned the secret plans for a WMD...
PORCHE: A what?
SPANDAM: ...which was bad, and I pushed him over the edge, but then he grabbed the train when it came flyin' over...
PORCHE: A flying train?
SPANDAM: ...so I took Lucci and my elephant...
PORCHE: Elephant...
SPANDAM: ...went to the underground tunnel that leads to a bridge...
PORCHE: Underground bridge, right.
SPANDAM: ...accidentally summoned a fleet of warships...
PORCHE: Accidentally?
SPANDAM: ...used my sword, which actually turns back into an elephant, but after the fireballs came raining down...
PORCHE: Um...
SPANDAM: ...hit me with my OWN ELEPHANT, can you believe that? Shit...
PORCHE: Uh-huh...
SPANDAM: ...bitch broke my spine. I almost resurrected ancient weapons capable of killing millions! I was a HERO!
PORCHE: Well, that's an amazing story! Don't you agree, Big-Ban?
BIG-BAN: Uh...
DIRECTOR: frantically motioning "go to commercial"
[commercial]
Have you seen this man?
shows a picture of Ace
If you have any information regarding the whereabouts of this man, or a really fat, hairy pirate with evil darkness powers, call 1-800-NEWGATE.Seriously, Ace lost, and Whitebeard will either join forces with Shanks, or start a war.
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It sounds to me like "dead", but… such an uncool way for a "D" to go, don't you think?
If the event this triggered has anything to do with Luffy coming after Blackbeard, then, yeah, I can't see how Ace could be alive. But if it'll get Newgate on the move and result in, say, HIS death, Ace might have survived.
Or Ace could pull a Pell, but that'd probably be pretty lame. If Oda is going to tell us Ace's dead, then I'd rather he stayed dead.
I'm also wondering about that piece of paper. It's not like OP characters to let death get in the way of fulfilling their promises.
And by the way, it is incorrect to say that no one has ever died in One Piece: Did Merry not just kick the bucket a few chapters ago? Mr. 11 and the special Duck Claw squad from Alabasta died, and there have been a number of nameless characters that have died. True hardly anyone dies in OP, but that doesn't mean no one can die.
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It sounds to me like "dead", but… such an uncool way for a "D" to go, don't you think?
Uncool? He'd die fighting bravely against an overpowered enemy while his supernova colides with BB Black hole. I call that epic and since his death will cause a war its even more epic.
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Uncool? He'd die fighting bravely against an overpowered enemy while his supernova colides with BB Black hole. I call that epic and since his death will cause a war its even more epic.
That's the thing, he started a fight against a morally inferior opponent and got his ass handed to him. And somehow the fact that he didn't know what he was up against makes it even worse. Luffy tends to lose his first fights with main villains, but chance of death usually only comes to play in the final fight, where he's giving his opponent a hard time. To me it's an uncool way for someone as strong as Ace to go because Blackbeard didn't appear to suffer any serious injuries.
Does it really say "war"? The translation I read only spoke of an incident. A large scale incident, to be sure, perhaps the "turning point of an era" we've been hearing about since Alabasta, but an actual war?
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Stephen translation says this:
[The "Duel of Banaro Island" on the Grand Line.]
[This battle between two pirates]
[Would be labeled the trigger]
[that set off an [B]enormous, unforgettable event in the future.]Sounds like a war to me.
Btw, I bet that we didn't see all what was going on in that battle.
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Stephen translation says this:
Sounds like a war to me.
Btw, I bet that we didn't see all what was going on in that battle.
Now don't get me wrong, it sounds like a war to me, too (mostly because I'm oddly reminded of the shots of Sarajevo triggering WW2) but these were two pirates, both outlaws. Unless it's a war between two kinds of pirates, why would a pirate killing another start a war? To just state that it will start a war sounded like jumping to conclusions to me. Luffy turning into a Super Saiyan and blowing up the Grand Line would also be a huge and unforgettable event.
All I'm saying here is that this is One Piece, and by now we should be expecting the unexpected rather than accepting the most obvious conclusion as a solid fact.
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All I'm saying here is that this is One Piece, and by now we should be expecting the unexpected rather than accepting the most obvious conclusion as a solid fact.
Agreed.
But this is why I think that it would start a war: (this is VL7 theory)
1.BB takes Ace(or his dead body) and turns him to the WG. He gets the Shichibukai position and goes on with his plan.
2. Shortly after BB gets made Shichibukai the news reach WB and Shanks. WB is ready to rush and save Ace(or take revenge), but Shanks advises him to not rush things. WB doesn't really listen to him and starts calling up his fleets. Shanks sees WB can't be talked to and tries to reach Luffy so he doesn't do anything stupid.
3. Dragon hears about the news, and also about WB getting ready for a battle. He starts making a plan on what he will do next, and if the time is right to attack.
4. Luffy and his crew are just on Merman island doing whatever they are doing, they don't know about the news jet.
5. If Ace is dead Garp storms to Sengoku and they start arguing about BB and him getting the Shichibukai position. If Ace is alive he goes to Impel down to talk to him.
6. WB gets his fleets ready. Dragon decides the time is right to fight. Shanks is still tryng to reach Luffy somehow, but than decides he should stay near to the action and then decide what to do next.
7. Luffy and his crew just came from Merman island, they somehow find out what happened to Ace. If Ace is dead, Luffy wants to be alone for a while, we see alot of flashback of his time with Ace. Then he decides to storm the WG. If Ace is alive they storm the WG right away to save him.
8. An epic battle starts, we see alot of some side characters fighting, and of course Luffy who goes all badass. We see great sea battles, and characters falling to the ground one by one.
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Yeah, the thing that will make this accident a war is the fact that BB will be made Shichibukai and therefore get directly involved with WG.
And of course the fact that Ace death=angry WB, angry Luffy, angry Dragon, (possibly angry Shanks and angry Garp)
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Maybe not so much angry Dragon, more like happy Dragon, cause BB's mixing things up. Plus, since Ace is a higher up in a Yonkou crew, this might upset the three powers, so one of them is going to have to make a move.
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Now don't get me wrong, it sounds like a war to me, too (mostly because I'm oddly reminded of the shots of Sarajevo triggering WW2)
Sarajevo triggered World War Two?? And here I though it was retarded Bigfoot cave leprechauns from the future.
@Tongari:but these were two pirates, both outlaws. Unless it's a war between two kinds of pirates, why would a pirate killing another start a war? To just state that it will start a war sounded like jumping to conclusions to me. Luffy turning into a Super Saiyan and blowing up the Grand Line would also be a huge and unforgettable event.
Yes, but which is more likely?
Maybe the unforgettable event is two Yonkou forming an alliance. Maybe Whitebeard will realize his mistake and join forces with Shanks. Maybe a Buster Call ship will fly out of Nami's ass and take them all to Never Never Land (not the ranch). We just don't know. -
Wow, those were some incredably snappy comebacks.
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Coming from the guy who thinks Dragon will be happy about Blackbeard brutally murdering his firstborn son?
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Who says Dragon loves Ace? Who even says Dragon is his first-born?
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Who says Dragon loves Ace?
Why wouldn't father loves his son? Especially when he is a pirate.