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Why does OP dominate Naruto in every aspect
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With that though in mind, I wonder how long it'll take Naruto fans to quit the fandom because it became to main stream like DBZ (that's main complaint I hear anyway).
From what I've seen, one of the main reason people in the Naruto fandom (heck, people in many manga fandoms) can't stand back and point out the good and the flaws in their series is because its still going. While it is easily possible to figure out the problem with various plot twists and directions the story is going in, you really can't look at it as a whole with more content and more possible plot twists being revealed weekly. With DBZ, although it was more of a cult show prior to the dub (both Saban and Funi), the entire series had been completed in Japan, thus allowing people to skip ahead and see where it was going. Thus, people were able to stand back and point out the flaws Toriyama had from early on in its popularity…only to be further backed as both the manga and anime reached its denoument in the US and other parts of the world. Unfortunately, with more anime and manga coming out with the source series still running in Japan, all someone can do when they catch up is to stand in line waiting for Kishimoto, Oda or whoever to reveal the next nugget of information. While there are flaws persistant in these works, its harder to stand back and point out as it keeps running compared to a completed series. Sure you can say them, but sometimes the flaws may lead to something you wouldn't realize until its too late. Thus, I doubt most of the Narutards won't see how weak Naruto was until Kishimoto is done and they can step back and realize what they've just finished.
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I prefer Naruto fights over One Piece, but One Piece story is better than Naruto.
Naruto also have interesting side characters. That is very good strength. It is also refreshing to have a weak main character, one that doesnt own everybody. But Kishie made Naruto to weak and too much of an underdog. He lacks confidence and has bad personlity traits, but it makes him a more realistic person.
The overall story is basic but its not bad. Like I said, the fights and the side characters keep the series interesting.
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Don't trust that review. They reviewed the dub, then had the nerve to say it has endless sword fights. Last time I checked, OP didn't have alot of sword fights.
Everything they complained about can be found in the original. It's not the dub's fault (this time).
Also, don't really see how this has anything to do with Naruto tho. Critics just don't like OP. Sad but true.
Maybe because Naruto gets more hype than One Piece. Even though Naruto's about ninjas (in real life: assassins), Toonami's advertisement department produces commercials that hype up Naruto. Compared to One Piece, where they state only that Luffy wants to become a pirate king with his friends, or something like that. If you go in already disliking something, you're more than likely to come out disliking it. So despite the fact that Ninjas are assassins, I suppose moralistically, they don't want role models coming out of thieves but would rather a Ninja-in-training who's supposedly going through all these obstacles as advertised in commercials to be a better rolemodel.
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Well, guess Bleach is next since it seems to really be taking off in America.
Pshaw, Bleach has already been more popular than One Piece on the internet.
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Really? I had no idea Bleach was already popular here.
Well, let's pray OP gets a new (good) dub. Then we may know if OP is truly destined to be popular here. Still I'm cautious, 4kids really messed up OP's reputation so OP may be too far gone here.
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While not popular dubbed in the states yet, as you stated, it is taking off. Not to mention this talk of a supposed "Shonen trinity" seems to be reassuring that Bleach is popular on the internet. NF even has a huge Bleach forum part, not that you haven't noticed. So while it's not as popular as Naruto, its fanbase is most likely quite larger than One Piece.
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In regards to the dub, Naruto has pretty much been snowballing since the beginning. The success of the original manga/anime allowed for a good company (Viz) to pick up the series and make a good dub of the anime. Seeing Naruto as a hot property, Cartoon Network picks it up and hypes it from the beginning, while giving it probably the same amount if not a bit more exposure compared to other new series starting. (though not as hyped, Bo-bobo did get a little bit of exposure in the beginning) Naruto begins to grow and get good ratings for CN, thus making them promote it more and allow for more people to discover the show. Meanwhile, all of Naruto's promotions aren't given the same to other shows which have good ratings or less. Thus in the end, Toonami now appears like "NARUTO…and everything else" instead of a well rounded animation block.
Can't say anything on Bleach due to the conflicting signals, but someone said that its getting rather well promotion..but not as huge a phenominon as Naruto. While One Piece...well, when 4Kids got it, its fate was sealed.
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You make a good point Ataru.
Actually Bleach's promotion on AS isn't too far behind Naruto's. I'd say it's almost halfway there. Once Bleach starts reaching Naruto in ratings, you're gonna see Bleach promotion all over the place. AS will then be called "Bleach and other shows." Speakin of ratings, how does one check the ratings for Bleach and Naruto?
CN is always like that, whatever is extremely popular, they will promote it into the ground. I remember like 50+ DBZ commercials from back in the day. Business I guess
However I'm still majorly pissed at how they treated JLU tho.
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CN is always like that, whatever is extremely popular, they will promote it into the ground. I remember like 50+ DBZ commercials from back in the day. Business I guess
That's actually a bad business strategy imo. If it's popular, why hugely promote that product when other shows are suffering and going down with fewer commercials?
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I don't know much about the business side of things, which is why I said that. Yeah, when u think about it, that is a poor strategy. That's what happened to JLU.
CN put all the money into promoting Naruto, and neglected JLU by giving it bad timeslots and poor promotion. Pretty much what everybody says happened to the OP dub in this thread.
However, I still can't blame Naruto for OP or JLU's performance, I blame CN completely for that as they made the decision to treat their properties poor. I doubt Kishi put a gun to someone at CN and said "Promote Naruto only, or else." Like you said tho, bad business decisions on the part of CN are responsible for the failures of many of their series.
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I don't know much about the business side of things, which is why I said that. Yeah, when u think about it, that is a poor strategy. That's what happened to JLU.
CN put all the money into promoting Naruto, and neglected JLU by giving it bad timeslots and poor promotion. Pretty much what everybody says happened to the OP dub in this thread.
However, I still can't blame Naruto for OP or JLU's performance, I blame CN completely for that as they made the decision to treat their properties poor. I doubt Kishi put a gun to someone at CN and said "Promote Naruto only, or else." Like you said tho, bad business decisions on the part of CN are responsible for the failures of many of their series.
I think CN's strategy is a lot like a lot of other networks: promote the successes to make their ratings rise, while letting everything else sink downwards due to age or other matters. Thus, instead of having several strong, solid shows, we end up with one megahit and many more mediocre to poor rated series. And while not all of it was that good, I do believe the later handling of JLU on CN's part was definately poor considering its basically "in house".
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@Le:
While not popular dubbed in the states yet, as you stated, it is taking off. Not to mention this talk of a supposed "Shonen trinity" seems to be reassuring that Bleach is popular on the internet. NF even has a huge Bleach forum part, not that you haven't noticed. So while it's not as popular as Naruto, its fanbase is most likely quite larger than One Piece.
I disagree. I think there are still alot more One Piece fans than there are Bleach fans. On NF (as if it were some sort of actual proof of anything) their One Piece section has taken off, since it was only added last year. On a recent poll there as well, One Piece has crushed Bleach. On Anime-Eden, One Piece gets an average of 600 more hits than Bleach per day in it's anime.
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But if other properties sink down with age, wouldn't that be problematic to CN? sure, one block may get gigantic ratings, but the other blocks will be where they suffer. It is due to this faulty strategy that they have to get rid of shows that aren't doing so well.
Edit: Wow, never knew that Taboo.
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I remember in regards to YYH was that it was a decent sized hit around the time when Toonami was still running daily instead of once a week like its been the last few years. It did pick up in the ratings, but my guess is the wait for the second half of the series as well as Toonami going weekly made it plummet to the point that everything from the final battle with Sensui to the end was in that "5 in the morning Saturday block" known for .hack.
As for my comment with age, its mostly just something I've discovered with older, more established series just losing audience as time wears on. While a series may be popular at one point, its downhill after it peaks. This is why many networks like CN like to speed along the development and airing of shows, trying to find the one hit and exploit it for a year or two with new episodes and reruns before it starts falling and you have to find another.
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As a regular poster on the Narutofan forums (hay gaara and Aethos :D), I can honestly say I really don't see much of a difference in Naruto's and OP's popularity. Sure, there's a huge difference in the North American audience due to the failure of the dub, but as far as the internet goes, OP is easily on the same level as Naruto in popularity. Like gaara mentioned, OP is immensely popular on NF, and I honestly see more Naruto-bashing on that forum than OP-bashing. Plus earlier someone mentioned anime-eden. I think OP actually gets more hits per day than Naruto does. So yeah, I think it's still just as popular.
Personally, I like One Piece and Naruto almost equally, and I really don't see a need for such competition between the two. A few pages back, Caracal mentioned he hated how Naruto fanboys would bash OP and OP fans out of ignorance, which I do see occasionally, but I also see it coming from the other end. When I was first watching One Piece back in September I commented on NF how I didn't like a certain part, and I got jumped on and accused of being a troll for even daring to find anything wrong with Oda's heavenly masterpiece. And that attitude, like Caracal's experience with Naruto, almost turned me off to OP. The way I see it, there's tardism on both sides that's keeping One Piece from being more popular than Naruto.
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I honestly see more Naruto-bashing on that forum than OP-bashing.
I simply cannot believe that would happen on NarutoFan.
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Believe him Lawliet. One of very own is one of the leaders of the Naruto bash fest.
What's up Geg, welcome to AP. You'll fit in fine here
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Hey Geg, glad to see you joined here. (I'm ORLYEH on NF, btw.)
As a lurker on NF, I have observed people and judging from poll results, One Piece seems almost as popular as Naruto (And it beat Bleach by a mile), so it's not like it's unpopular. (Although then again, the poll was in the Outskirts Battledome, which Narutards don't seem to swarm in.)
I don't technically bash it because I've mostly lost interest in Naruto. Saying I'm not interested anymore doesn't count as bashing.
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I'm still having a hard time believing that with the mass absurdities of Narutards on that forum with the inclusion of Jplaya.
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Perhaps the numbers deceive me, but judging off the massive popularity of the NF forums, I always figured Naruto be the more popular of the two on the web.
This is great news to me however that they are much closer then I imagined. While I like Naruto, One Piece(and I love One Piece) has always seemed less advertised to me.
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OP has an up and coming equivalent to JPlaya on NF. Hinata's Fan I believe. Constantly making stuff up like Luffy being Light Speed. OPtards are in full effect in OB.
Any slight negativity will get you negged atleast 5 times for the same post. Partly why my sig at NF is so offensive. Jplaya is still top dog tho when it comes to stupidity tho.
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huh. is that so. Makes me appreciate Arlong Park every day.
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One Piece fans at NF are trainwrecks bordering on mental retardation. This is where my sig comes from, and I did get neg repped a dozen time for posting my view on a certain long nosed character and the way Oda dealt with him, with posts calling me a "gay baka" and such. I was devastated.
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Same here Aldrich, my NF sig is as offensive as possible to nameless neggers. Usually they consist of poor spelling and grammar (mostly from OPtards).
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'gay baka', lol
see the one thing that hasn't really comes up in this thread why does it matter if its popular or not aslong as YOU like the respective series
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@Le:
I simply cannot believe that would happen on NarutoFan.
Ditto. I trust Geg's words (we're old friends), but I find that shocking. Some of the comments I've seen there when I considered joining put me off.
However, it is nice to see the series is relatively popular over there. Heck, maybe there IS hope for OP if a better dub shows up.
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gay baka
That makes me want to vomit with rage.
But to answer your question taleran, it's not necessary. But as to the reason why One Piece isn't as popular here as it is in Japan, that is what we are here to discuss.
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Yeah, the fact that OP is popular on NF does bring new hope to the US. Maybe if a new one is made, you might be able to chat with the VAs of the dub like NF. It was fun chatting with Skip (AKA Dub Gai) and Blum.
What's odd about NF is that people are gasp actually polite and respectful to the Naruto dub VAs.
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NF is very weird. They have cliques within cliques simply based on character favorites. If there's a thread on Sasuke, expect some general bashing and fangirling of his character.
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Hi Geg!
It is true that in the OP section at NF there exists Naruto bashing. I haven't been there long enough nor visited enough threads in the Naruto sections to confirm whether that exists forumwide. I get turned off by so many "Do U think Sasuke is Hott????!!!" threads. I'd post more if I was more current. At least once HC starts, people's boredom with the fillers should end.
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My god, I never payed attention but THERE"S FANCLUBS FOR ACTUAL MEMBERS OF NF.
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What's odd about NF is that people are gasp actually polite and respectful to the Naruto dub VAs.
That's because they're good. Sure, some people like Terek complain that they don't have that much emotion in it, but they're light years ahead of some of the voices in the One Piece dub. Of course though, some people don't seem to grasp that and would rather voice their nuances in that why teh dub sucks thread.
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@Aldrich's sig: I can almost guarantee that was Hinata's Fan. XD
I may have been slightly exaggerating; mostly what I see of Naruto-bashing is the whining and complaining that comes with each week's chapter. There are always some people who completely overreact when something they don't like happens in a chapter and claim Naruto is crap now. The only time I ever saw reactions like that to an OP chapter on NF was for chapter 438.
Well, then there's the Outskirts Battledome. The levels of OPtardism there are catastrophic. Though I suppose jplaya kind of balances it out.
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I see I'm not the only one who knows of Hinata's Fan's stupidity. His name and avi make the perfect decoy too (Kabuto). He's tricks you into thinking he's a Narutard, then transforms into a OPtard.
Yep Greg is right, OB is infested with OPtards. They outnumber Narutards by a great deal, although Jplaya balances it out (he's equal to 100 Narutards).
In the back of my mind, I always had a theory that a certain poster at AP was Jplaya in disguise. Their posting style is similar, and they spit nonsense and belive that their cannon>>>>>>author's cannon. Haven't been able to prove my theory yet tho.
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Yep Greg is right, OB is infested with OPtards. They outnumber Narutards by a great deal, although Jplaya balances it out (he's equal to 100 Narutards).
Which is equivalent to one real life retard.
Hi geg, I've seen you on NF. I liked your GET TO THE CHOPPER! Sig. XD
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NarutoFan: home of the 'tards
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@Le:
That's because they're good. Sure, some people like Terek complain that they don't have that much emotion in it, but they're light years ahead of some of the voices in the One Piece dub. Of course though, some people don't seem to grasp that and would rather voice their nuances in that why teh dub sucks thread.
Well of course the engish VA's are awesome. Makes you wonder how we'd treat the 4kids VA's if they came here. XD
I also agree with Geg in the fact that I hated how Naruto fans easily dismissed One Piece and bashed it. It was always my goal that I wanted those people to actually give One Piece a chance and in the beginning I tried being civil, but then I got fed up and decided giving them a taste of their own medicine would take away most of how pissed off I was at those people and unfortunately I took it to an extreme to where I find it hard to not voice how entirely bad Naruto is these days even if I still read it and everything hoping to find some improvement that will help me to quit.
To be honest I don't really hate the Naruto series as much as I say I do it's just hard for me to like it the way I used too and the NaruTards on NF just made me not care about being civil anymore towards it especially since they refused to be civil as well. I don't consider myself a OPtard though because I never intended to come off as one and I don't really see myself as one. There are times when I'm very civil as I'm cool with it if One Piece just isn't a person's thing it's when they start bashing One Piece and praising Naruto as the king of all shounen that's when I have a problem with it and unfortunately I've come to see that more often.
I don't know I guess I don't shrug it off that easily because I like arguing or something even if I can shrug a lot of things off easily, but hey no one's perfect after all.
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It's pretty pathetic you'd get all bent out of shape because someone badmouthed your precious favorite comicbook and that you'd actually revert to the same tactics in hope of annoying him.
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It's pretty pathetic you'd get all bent out of shape because someone badmouthed your precious favorite comicbook and that you'd actually revert to the same tactics in hope of annoying him.
Maybe it would be pathetic if One Piece WAS actually my precious favorite comicbook. Because One Piece is tied with Konjiki no Gash Bell and Fullmetal Alchemist as my favorite so it's not like I have one MAJOR favorite series. One Piece is just one of my top three. Nice of you to judge me though.
and maybe part of me believed that if I gave them a taste of their own medicine they'd stop considering they would know how it felt to have something they liked bashed, but hey I can't really say I thought things through at the time. I was being too hotblooded.
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Maybe it would be pathetic if One Piece WAS actually my precious favorite comicbook. Because One Piece is tied with Konjiki no Gash Bell and Fullmetal Alchemist as my favorite so it's not like I have one MAJOR favorite series. One Piece is just one of my top three. Nice of you to judge me though.
You do really that that isn't in any way, shape or form, a valid defense to what he said?
and it no, it's still just as pathetic even if you're equally as gay for 2 other series besides the one you're defending.
as for why naruto is more popular, I simply believe it's the art and style of the shows.
Naruto definitely has that "teenage" vibe going for it. With that "dark"(a term used loosely) vibe and death and murder and tortured souls. You know, stuff pre-teens watch to make themselves feel mature.
One Piece does have a sort of "kiddy"(in lack of a better word) feel to the art.(at least in it's earliest form) And a light-hearted, happy go lucky feel. With characters laughing and smiling and not letting their troubles get them down.
I mean One Piece only recently got popular with Enies Lobby happening.(Art Style losing alot of that cartoonishness and lots of straight one on one ass beating fights full of transformations and energy blasts) Not to mention the villains not looking wacky or ugly, and using generic weapons(dual katana's), wearing all black jumpsuits(BADASS) and being able to fly and kick ass. You might even say it was "darker" than previous arcs.
It's just what alot of anime-tards value. One Piece only recently really catered to it, while naruto always has.
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I think it's pretty easy to understand why Naruto's more popular then OP, worldly-speaking. It's a lot more accessible in terms of story, characterization AND art then OP. Plus, it has ninjas. Everybody loves ninjas.
Conversely, it's also easy to understand why OP's so ridiculously popular in japan: Japs go crazy over crazy, quirky, energetic shit. Sueisha must've known they had a huge hit in their hands early.
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Oh yeah.
I remember this thread.
How the fuck was this 60+ pages?
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How the fuck was this 60+ pages?
Because people got bored with their shemale guro baby-eating porn.
But really, it's because they can't stand seeing something they hate be so popular. OH GOD KISHIMOTO WIPES HIS BOOTS ON ODA'S FACE WHEN HE GETS HOME FROM WORK
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Naruto is more popular because people like their cool little, emo bishonens. They also like to think Naruto is more "mature" then OP, when they're aimed at the same age group. Some people also bitch about the length and it being dragged out, when Naruto is just about as long.
Also as said before, I guess Naruto and Bleach give out that "badass" vibe, which it seems people value over everything else nowadays.
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Really Square sounds a tad bitter. Hmmmmmm…
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@Really:
Naruto is more popular because people like their cool little, emo bishonens.
Comments like these are what spawn these dumb-as-fuck threads, you know.
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One thing I dislike about revived threads is that I have to take back things I said previously.
I think I said that Naruto didn't seem all that popular to me outside of the Internet (because I had never seen anyone wearing Naruto merchandise).
I guess that's the difference a year can make.