i think the strongest logia user is smoker
The strongest logia user?
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1. Smoker- weakest Logia.
2. Croc- most skilled Logia.
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I'll agree with Malintex, but I think out of the five logia Aokiji is probably the strongest all around, he could probably beat the other four.
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well i think logias are quite the same since their physical power doesn't count (except if some logias can hit others like non logias characters like whitebeard propably can do)
till now i have to say aokiji and ace were super strong but i think the man with the title of the strongest logia (oda will state it sometime) was introduced early in the story,
dragon!
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I agree with psolaras that the logias are the same
smoker is maybe the strongest because he has no real weakness (unless dragon is wind, then he could prob just be blown away)
then ace and enel
then aokiji
then croc(my first post btw :) )
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I agree with psolaras that the logias are the same
smoker is maybe the strongest because he has no real weakness (unless dragon is wind, then he could prob just be blown away)
then ace and enel
then aokiji
then croc(my first post btw :) )
since your first post is agreing (please someone write how it is spelled) with me i think you made an excellent start and i guarantee your success in this forum!!
basically i think there is a way to hit logias otherwise whitebeard wouldn't have been the strongest man and propably some logias know it
i mean logia usopp can't be equal with logia gol d roger,someone could have known that technique before he ate the fruit or he could have learned it after,all logias can't be equal,there have to be a few that can beat the rest
and i think dragon controlls (and can turn into) all the elements (so far we saw the wind that helped the SH in and out of loguetown and lightings (buggy remembers what i'm saying!)) so he can beat any logia since knows everyone's weakness and controlls all the elements and he has none at the same time
in fact he may be the only logia that can control the element in the nature and not only become the element or produce it
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I don't think Smoker is the weakest logia. The fact that he's still undefeated says something about him.
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I also don't think Smoker's logia powers is weak….... in fact, I think his powers is high up there.......
as for skilled, yeah, maybe Crocodile is very skilled with his powers.....
so far, I think Aokiji is the strongest logia at the moment...... but once more logias are introduce, this might change....... or not...... depending on how the persons mastery of his/her logias....
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I think Ace and Enel(maybe) could beat Ao Kiji
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**1. AoKiji
2. Smoker / Ace
3. Enel
4. Croc.IMOIMOIMOIMOIMOIMOIMO.**
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@Octogon:
1. AoKiji
2. Smoker / Ace
3. Enel
4. Croc.IMOIMOIMOIMOIMOIMOIMO.
and dragon? he surely seemed stronger than smoker and he was able to touch him when luff's attacks went through him
why are you people ignoring dragon?
time for a sig change
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im still going with
1. Dragon(if he is a logia) - cause he actually affected smoker, if he did cause that green wind(most likely he did)
2. Smoker - Hes first mainly because he has no weakness(yet), not including the dragon incident
3. Ace/Enel/AoKiji - I put them on the same level but i do believe Ace and Enel are stronger, but then again we haven't seen a lot of what AoKiji can do (im hoping its more then just grabbing some1 and freezing them solid)
4. Croc - because hes weaker then the other 4edit: added dragon :P
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and dragon? he surely seemed stronger than smoker and he was able to touch him when luff's attacks went through him
why are you people ignoring dragon?
time for a sig change
Whether he is or isn't a logia doesn't change the fact that we don't know if he is.
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@Octogon:
Whether he is or isn't a logia doesn't change the fact that we don't know if he is.
then how did he controll the weather????? but doesn't that mean he is god?
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im still going with
1. Dragon - cause he actually affected smoker
2. Smoker - Hes first mainly because he has no weakness(yet), not including the dragon incident
3. Ace/Enel/AoKiji - I put them on the same level but i do believe Ace and Enel are stronger, but then again we haven't seen a lot of what AoKiji can do (im hoping its more then just grabbing some1 and freezing them solid)
4. Croc - because hes weaker then the other 4edit: added dragon :P
we don't really know yet if Dragon has any devil fruit powers at all…...
Ace might be able to hold Aokiji at bay because fire melts ice..... but I don't think that's going to be Aokiji's downfall, since Aokiji probably already know his weakness is fire.... he probably already knows how to counter a fire attack......
it would be hard to know if Enel can affect Ace, but he might be able to fight evenly or even manage to defeat Kuzan, since melt conducts electricity.....
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then how did he controll the weather????? but doesn't that mean he is god?
**There are ways to manipulate the weather without actually being a logia you know.
I don't even think his powers have to do with a DF. I think he has some special abilities.
Fact is we don't know.**
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then how did he controll the weather????? but doesn't that mean he is god?
we don't even know if Dragon was the one that cause the weather to be like that….. he might have someone else do it........
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we don't really know yet if Dragon has any devil fruit powers at all…...
Ace might be able to hold Aokiji at bay because fire melts ice..... but I don't think that's going to be Aokiji's downfall, since Aokiji probably already know his weakness is fire.... he probably already knows how to counter a fire attack......
it would be hard to know if Enel can affect Ace, but he might be able to fight evenly or even manage to defeat Kuzan, since melt conducts electricity.....
i dont think there could be much of a way to counter a fire attack, i dont know how a fight between enel and ace would go, and even if the lightning didn't work on kuzan (ice doesnt conduct much electricity, or so i hear), i think enel could do something like super heating his staff/spear and use it to burn kuzan, the ice melts and then its lightning time ;)
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@Octogon:
**1. AoKiji
2. Smoker / Ace
3. Enel
4. Croc.IMOIMOIMOIMOIMOIMOIMO.**
I more or less agree with this.
However, he don't know is Dragon is a DF user or logia. If he is however, he can assume he's above Croc and Enel at the very least.
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I don't think Smoker is the weakest logia. The fact that he's still undefeated says something about him.
You can't judge Logias by their "untapped potential"; you can only go by what they've displayed thus far. We can't judge Ace or Aokiji that matter since they've only used a handful of attacks; they've never gotten in a real battle.
This is why anyone who puts Ace or Aokiji at the top of the "strongest logia" list is a huge idiot; that's like saying Bartholomew Kuma could beat all the Straw Hats at once simply because he's huge.
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@Octogon:
There are ways to manipulate the weather without actually being a logia you know.
:blink:,yes octogon dear,yes (schitzophreniac)
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:blink:,yes octogon dear,yes (schitzophreniac)
**Someone has cast the disbelief no jutsu one you I see.
But it's true. I'm serious.**
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@Octogon:
Someone has cast the disbelief no jutsu one you I see.
But it's true. I'm serious.
what is no jutsu?
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Well I think
Aokiji- Probally the highest skilled and most developed logia so far.. I mean he froze the ocean itself..Enel- Probally the most raw power but too dependent
Smoker- The only one that I can really think of a weakness to.. Great for capturing
Ace- Nothing special.
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You can't judge Logias by their "untapped potential"; you can only go by what they've displayed thus far. We can't judge Ace or Aokiji that matter since they've only used a handful ot attacks; they've never gotten in a real battle.
This is why anyone who puts Ace or Aokiji at the top of the "strongest logia" list is a huge idiot; that's like saying Bartholomew Kuma could beat all the Straw Hats at once simply because he's huge.
Never mind the fact that aokiji nearly froze the entire straw hat crew, or at least the strongest members. I think you have to consider what the person's powers are, and how much advantage it would give them in battle. Then, consider their elemental weaknesses, and how easily it would be to exploit them.
Croc- If he weren't fighting in the desert, he'd be disadvantaged for not having free sand all around him, especially if he were on the coast. He has a very easy and simple weakness to water, so he is deffinately not the strongest, especially considering he's been BEATEN already.
Dragon- techinicly we don't even know his powers, so you can't rank him. That'd just be dumb.
Ace- considering the possibilities for the use of fire, he could easily inflict considerable damage at a wide range. I'm sure he's somewhat weakened by water, but not to the degree croc would be, since the heat would in fact evaporate water quite easily. A logia type with few weaknesses.
Enel- I haven't the foggiest how everyone he pumped nuclear loads of electricity through survived. In reality, with his display of power and control, he'd be up in the strongest. He can zap everything in sight, and use his control of electro-magnetism to manipulate objects/weather. The only wekanesses are the obvious ocean/seastone which everyone has, and materials that act as insulators to electricity (rubber). In fact, he really has fewer weaknesses than the following.
Aokiji- Ice and cold is very powerful, as has been shown in his battles. If he caches you off guard, he can quickly immobilize you by freezing. After that, all he'd have to do is brake the frozen character to kill them. In close combat, it's very effective. That and the fact he can break and reassemble as pieces of ice. I'm sure he has quite a weakness to heat, as that would impir his ice abilities, and probably render him vulnerable to physical attacks. For this, he may be one notch below Enel.
Smoker- His powers don't lend well to offensive attacks, but defensively is one of the best. He's completely invulnerable to physical attacks. His smoke can immobilise opponents. I can't think of any weaknesses, beside perhaps the power of cold/ice, since that would bring down a gas from a gaseous state to a liquid/solid, which would make him vulnerable to attacks. I might rank him as third, if his powers weren't so offensively weak.
That's my analysis.
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You can't judge Logias by their "untapped potential"; you can only go by what they've displayed thus far. We can't judge Ace or Aokiji that matter since they've only used a handful ot attacks; they've never gotten in a real battle.
This is why anyone who puts Ace or Aokiji at the top of the "strongest logia" list is a huge idiot; that's like saying Bartholomew Kuma could beat all the Straw Hats at once simply because he's huge.
With that logic, let's please stop with the Vs. topics altogether. That'd be a dream…:getlost:
And, that means that Enel and Crocodile are the only logais we can judge. However, we have seen Smoker and Ace fight evenly, so why can't we assume they are equal? Assuming that one side held back when we have no proof of it is "untapped potential."
@ ascalon
Good analysis. Sounds right. However, it got my thinking to what Smokre can do with his powers. Speculation:
Couldn't he just grab people add slam them into the ground from really high distances? For all we know, we may be able to lift tons of weight with his smoke and rise a mile into the air. He grabbed the entire Buggy crew at once, after all.
Or, why coulnd't he suffocate someone? He's probably to "merciful" to do something like that, but who knows.
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Aokiji would likely lose to Enel, if Aokiji lowered the surrounding temperature to a substantial degree. Enel's electricity would then have no resistance, despite pure ice being a poor conductor.
- Enel
- Ace
- Aokiji
- Crocodile
- Smoker
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Aokiji
Ace
Enel-not that skilled, but he has a overpowered ability and mantra.
Smoker
CrocodileHowever if Dragon indeed has a Logia I would guess he would be at the top. I think Ace and Aokiji are about equal, I think a big fight between the two will eventually happen.
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@Cyringohn:
Aokiji would likely lose to Enel, if Aokiji lowered the surrounding temperature to a substantial degree. Enel's electricity would then have no resistance, despite pure ice being a poor conductor.
- Enel
- Ace
- Aokiji
- Crocodile
- Smoker
Are you familiar with even basic physics? I'd like to know where you're getting your source about a path of no resistance being possible at all, let alone through pure ice.
Let's assume your little jib is correct, and Aokiji can become a perfect cold fusion reactor at will.
Aokiji can create paths of no resistance wherever he wants. This means he can create gigantic amounts of supercold fantastic ice that streams the electricity across the ocean, dilluding it, effectively nullifying Eneru's ability to control where his electricity goes and effectively making his strongest electrical blasts less potent than licking a small battery, and in fact, whenever Eneru went into his electrical form, Aokiji could force him to be stationary or force him to move wherever he wanted to move him. Once Aokiji stopped eneru's heart (since Eneru would be forced to fight in his flesh form), Aokiji could prevent any electricty from going into the man's body by creating paths of no resistance leading away from him, thus we wouldn't see a repeat of the Waiper incident.
In other words, don't try and bring more science into this than necessary.
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In terms of ability using his/her Logia: Aokiji.
In terms of Logia power in itself (that we have seen, I can think of at least 2 other elements that would be stronger): Enel (he just didn't take full advantage of it).
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Never mind the fact that aokiji nearly froze the entire straw hat crew, or at least the strongest members. I think you have to consider what the person's powers are, and how much advantage it would give them in battle. Then, consider their elemental weaknesses, and how easily it would be to exploit them.
What? Aokiji blocked three attacks and froze his attackers on contact. How can any sensible person look at that and say, "well LOL he's obviously more powerful than they are".
Aokiji's unflinching response to Zoro/Sanji/Luffy is indicative of his character/training/experience, it has nothing to do with his Devil Fruit. People just can't seem to distinguish those two concepts, though.
With that logic, let's please stop with the Vs. topics altogether. That'd be a dream…:getlost:
The problem with the VA issue is that people immediately assume the VA's are weaklings. They're strong; how, we don't know, but they're certainly not weaker than their subordinates.
And, that means that Enel and Crocodile are the only logais we can judge. However, we have seen Smoker and Ace fight evenly, so why can't we assume they are equal? Assuming that one side held back when we have no proof of it is "untapped potential."
Technically, yes, we're only able to compare Ener and Croc, though we've seen a handful of techniques from Aokiji and Smoker to make a less accurate comparison. Ace is totally out of the question, though.
Regarding Ace v. Smoker, I didn't see that battle as being even. Smoker was getting his arse kicked and he would have outright lost if Ace was seriously trying to kill him; instead, he was just trying to buy time.
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I think your idea of power is a bit convoluted. Having power means having the ability to do what you want to do, regardless of how it's done. If you are able to rule the world because you can control everybody's mind, but are physicly a weakling, when you hold power over every other person that has super strength or whatever, you are still the most powerful person in the world because nobody can stop you. I think you confuse power with strength, which is quite different.
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Well I think
Aokiji- Probally the highest skilled and most developed logia so far.. I mean he froze the ocean itself..Enel- Probally the most raw power but too dependent
Smoker- The only one that I can really think of a weakness to.. Great for capturing
Ace- Nothing special.
wtf how can you say ace is nothing special? ace control's fire which means he can get as hot as he wants to and at a point nothing will be able to affect him. if you throw water at him it will just evaporate and so will ice. ace can end up being one of the most powerful fighters in one piece. he isn't the commander of whitebeard 2nd division for nothing. dragon probably has the weather fruit and that makes him one of the strongest fighters in one piece. he has full control of wind, lightning, blizzards. if you want to compare him to someone then compare him to storm from xmen.
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Regarding Ace v. Smoker, I didn't see that battle as being even. Smoker was getting his arse kicked and he would have outright lost if Ace was seriously trying to kill him; instead, he was just trying to buy time.
How? They floated in the air in full element form for awhile. They both acknowledged that their attacks would be useless against each other. Smoker was only annoyed, yet unhurt after the fight was over.
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They both acknowledged that their attacks would be useless against each other.
I don't know what manga you're reading, but it certainly isn't One Piece; the only one who spoke was Ace, who mentioned Smoker's powers are ineffective against his own. If Ace were fighting Smoker for real, you can bet Smoker would end up a dead duck; Ace has an elemental advantage over him. If that advantage didn't exist, Oda wouldn't have mentioned it.
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I don't know what manga you're reading, but it certainly isn't One Piece; the only one who spoke was Ace, who mentioned Smoker's powers are ineffective against his own. If Ace were fighting Smoker for real, you can bet Smoker would end up a dead duck; Ace has an elemental advantage over him. If that advantage didn't exist, Oda wouldn't have mentioned it.
I admit, I first saw it in the K-F sub anime. "Fire vs. Smoke" is useless against each other. And it's true, how do they hurt each other. Smoker repeated it again "Fire and Smoke are useless against each other."
I know that some high level fire can burn even smoke, however, Smokers power is control of smoke as well. So, as a result, Ace's fire should produce more smoke for Smoker to use.
Plus, the fact the Smoker was unharmed is a sign. They're even.
Edit: I note that there's some filler in the middle there, but it's pretty much the same thing.
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Hi there..
and dragon? he surely seemed stronger than smoker and he was able to touch him when luff's attacks went through him
I'm just want to recorrect the underlined statement. Dragon didn't touch Smoker hand. He was touch Smoker's sword/ tool ( i forget the name). Please end this misinterpretation.
I think Lightning is the strongest Logia. Why?
- It can produce heat that can turn into Fire.
- Fire, Sand/ Earth, Smoke, Ice, Wind? can produced and used by Human since the early century. Only the electricity that produced and used in the early 19th century.
And, i want to know also predict.. how many type of Logias in the world? (Not the User in OP) exclude Smoke, Sand, Fire, Lightning, Ice, and Wind? Please mention the other type. How about Shadow? Light? Tell me.
Don't think Wind as one of the Logia, as Japanese equal Wind to Lightning. (Please recorrect if i'm wrong)
Best regards
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I'd just like to point out that Croc would be a natural enemy of Eneru as well, seeing as he is a walking ground: invulnerable to lightning.
I think that ranking the fruit in terms of power is pointless, seeing as they are pretty much an expaned form of Jan Ken. One type will invariable beat another, that's just how it is.
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Well, lightning could potentialy heat sand enough to turn it into glass, so I'd say Enel could still beat croc if he knew that.
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1. the one who has water.
2.Aokiji
3. the one who has wind.
4.Enel
5. Croc
6. Ace
7. Smoker
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I think it's pretty obvious that Aokiji is the strongest logia user, baring any elemental weaknesses he may have against Enel and Ace.
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Smoker's power isn't that great. He hasn't displayed much offensive power, and I can't really see that there's much else you can do with smoke besides inflicting people with a nasty cough (or long-term tactcs: cancer).
Wind/vacuum element would make quick work of him.
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@Taz:
Smoker's power isn't that great. He hasn't displayed much offensive power, and I can't really see that there's much else you can do with smoke besides inflicting people with a nasty cough (or long-term tactcs: cancer).
Wind/vacuum element would make quick work of him.
And a lava element would make quick work of Aokiji,
A liquid element would make quick work of Ace
A rubber element made quick work of Enel.You look at things so simple-mindedly (that's not a diss), you need to expand your mind people.
In the end of a fight, the only thing that matters is the victor. If the victor won using defensive tactics, then s/he's still the winner. If Smoker's powers allow him to mostly use defensive attacks and alongside his Kairoseki blade for tactical advantage, I could see him defeating almost any other Logia.A wind element.. a wind element would make just as short work of Ace too, does that make Ace weak?
Don't judge things so simply, it's never as simple as rock paper scissor.. this is one thing I really hate about these forums. If someone can defeat someone else they're automatically stronger, ignoring environmental, alterior rival or all other possible situations where the "stronger character" would get their ass'es beat.
Edit: clarification
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And a lava element would make quick work of Aokiji,
A rubber element made quick work of Enel.Which it, you know, did.
Though to be fair he was kind of a bum and didn't develop his powers enough or put them to as much creative use as he could have. (Lava can be cooled btw)
A wind element.. a wind element would make just as short work of Ace too, does that make Ace weak?
Taking only the "element" into account: then yes. And don't forget water and earth too as fire's weakness.
I can't remember if we've ever seen Smoker actually do damage or physically fight someone. He's good at trapping and giving "chase", that's sure, but what else?
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1. Enel
2. Aokiji
3. Smoker
4. Ace
5. CrocodileLightning is unstoppable, in the right hand, that fruit would be crazy strong. Ice has great potential, the ability to create and destroy all in one, but mostly a defensive Logia. Smoke is a wierd one, I can't think of a single weakness to it, a jack of all trades. Fire is fairly vulnerable, but is extremely powerful, an offensive Logia. Sand is pretty wierd, but seeing as how liquids seem to be its weak point, thats far to easy to counter, and assuming you didn't know that, I don't see how sand could defeat any of the other logias.
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I don't see how ice is mostly defensive.
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@Taz:
Which it, you know, did.
Man.. read my post again, these kind of responses depress my belief in humanity.
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