Given this movie, that could make for some hilarious scenes.
"KHAN!"
shower scene
Perfect .
Given this movie, that could make for some hilarious scenes.
"KHAN!"
shower scene
Perfect .
I know how everyone loves the FAQ article but this is a pretty well-written review worth checking out as well.
This isn't exactly on topic, but I've finally come to terms with my irrational Star Trek "hate". I am finally willing to give the older movies a try as well.
Question is … how well do they hold up? I know the first one is from approx. 1980, so I'm not expecting a visual masterpiece, but is it TERRIBLY dated?
I'm thinking about getting the blu ray releases, if that makes any difference, being remastered and whatnot.
Just saw it. Loved it. Do I love it as much as the last one? Eh, hard to tell. I think my opinion is offset by my love of Cumberbatch. My mother, a confirmed Trekkie who grew up with the original series, also loved it. So there you are.
Is it really okay to start talking about Khan left and right without spoilers now, though? I would think we'd all still be using spoiler tags.
@Nia:
You don't NEED context to show Cumberbatch taking a shower. You just do it. No one will ever question it.
Amen, sister.
@Nia:
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Question is … how well do they hold up? I know the first one is from approx. 1980, so I'm not expecting a visual masterpiece, but is it TERRIBLY dated?
I'm thinking about getting the blu ray releases, if that makes any difference, being remastered and whatnot.
They aren't actually all that heavy on the visual effects honestly, (and they used models and real lighting obviously) so they've aged pretty well in that regard. It's all about the characters.
The first movie though tried to be 2001, so it's really really slow. Decent, but slow.
The second one is a classic, through and through.
The third isn't as good, but it's main fault is mostly that it falls between 2 and 4.
the fourth is very 80's… but actually becomes better with age. It was set in "modern day", and so how out of place the 80's were becomes even funnier with time.
the fifth... is pretty widely considered really bad for a lot of reasons. It has some nuggets in it, but you have to be pretty invested in the cast to like those bits.
the sixth is pretty solid and a good wrap up for it all, though it worked better when the soviet union was collapsing and it was a modern commentary, but still pretty decent.
Obviously they all work a bit better having seen at least a few episodes of the original series, but thats not hugely requisite, and the old show itself has aged badly in the production value department.
I can't imagine seeing them in blu would be a huge requisite at all, they're about the dialogue and acting more than the visual.
Skip the first star trek movie honestly it's not worth a non-fan seeing
just see the second, third and fourth movies as far as the original generation goes (obviously not counting the couple good Next Gen films)
And the third movie is mundane and mediocre and you'd only be watching it as a bridge anyways, but it's basically KIND of necessary but it's like so forgettable and laughablle in parts other than doc brown klingon
I just saw the Into Darkness today. I enjoyed it as much as I did the first one. But I did keep feeling that Kirk and Spock were having a lover tiff much more than Spock and Uhura lol.
So far only one of my friend's that have seen it liked it and the only one who watched the original that did. I thought it was fun. Although the rank changing was getting silly. And every time someone got a job change some extra would slide on in to the empty seat. I just kept picturing them crouched behind consoles like the ball retrievers in a tennis match.
This franchise I think was made for people like me who have no real prior knowledge of the original stuff, but is impressed with graphics, awkward conversations and fun fights and massive amounts of destruction.
It wasn't perfect, but it was fun. My only real wtf moment was the pointless Admiral daughter underwear scene, since it really didn't lead to anything.
It wasn't perfect, but it was fun. My only real wtf moment was the pointless Admiral daughter underwear scene, since it really didn't lead to anything.
It provided trailer fodder!
And she was the mother of Kirk's kid in the original.
@RobbyBevard:
It provided trailer fodder!
And she was the mother of Kirk's kid in the original.
Yeah I just read that a moment ago in that article TLC posted lol. I would have just thought she was a temp bed buddy with how she was handled.
@The:
Skip the first star trek movie honestly it's not worth a non-fan seeing
just see the second, third and fourth movies as far as the original generation goes (obviously not counting the couple good Next Gen films)
And the third movie is mundane and mediocre and you'd only be watching it as a bridge anyways, but it's basically KIND of necessary but it's like so forgettable and laughablle in parts other than doc brown klingon
Yeah, I agree….I'd say skip the third, but then you might not understand the 4th so much. Definitely skip 5. Then watch 6 (the last movie of the original cast) and 8, the rest, depends on how you're feeling about it at that point.
Isn't the adage that all the odd-numbered Star Trek movies are bad and the even-numbered movies are good?
! Mom and I agreed that there was a highly wasted potential after-credits scene with Bones going back to the med-lab only to open it and have a mountain of tribbles come pouring out. What a shame.
That would be pretty awesome if that happened. But I honestly would only tolerate sitting to the end of the credits in Marvel Movies lol.
I stay at the end of every movie and I would have loved that.
Far as the films go:
ST:TMP - Not terrible. Not good. Just save yourself an hour and a half by watching The Changeling.
ST:TWoK - Still the best thing that came out of the franchise.
ST:TSfS - Okayish, but definitely needs to be watched since it ties the second and fourth films together.
ST:TVH - A hell of a lot of fun.
ST:TFF - Definitely the worst of the original film series, but good for a laugh. You could always just watch
Nemesis broke the even-odd curse in the worst way possible.
Far as the films go:
ST:TMP - Not terrible. Not good. Just save yourself an hour and a half by watching The Changeling.
instead.
ST:TWoK - Still the best thing that came out of the franchise.
ST:TSfS - Okayish, but definitely needs to be watched since it ties the second and fourth films together.
ST:TVH - A hell of a lot of fun.
ST:TFF - Definitely the worst of the original film series, but good for a laugh. You could always just watch
ST:TUC - A great film with a wonderful villain.
ST:G - Kinda sorta there really.
ST:FC - The best TNG film, but it's not like that's all that big an achievement.
ST:I - What.
ST:N - The nadir of the franchise.
ST - Stupid but fun. Try not to think too much about some of the plotholes.
STID - Ditto but throw a remix of the II,III,IV trilogy into the mix.Nemesis broke the even-odd curse in the worst way possible.
I agree with this.
I know some people that like Nemesis, but I thought it was terrible. The only thing good about it is Tom Hardy and Ron Perlman just being in the film.
people like Nemesis? that's going to ruin my day..
Thanks a lot to all of you for enlightening me!
I guess I'll just go grab a boxset and be done with it since most of them are good/okay. :D
Star Trek into Darkness any good? I am current just waiting for DvD release
people like Nemesis? that's going to ruin my day..
Nobody likes Star Trek: Nemesis
I don't know what Cosmic is talking about
Nobody in the world has ever enjoyed that movie
OK, so I know one guy.
You're lying
@The:
Nobody likes Star Trek: Nemesis
What? No I don't! I haven't even seen it!
@The:
You're lying
I know that sometimes, we want to believe we live in a world without people that like Nemesis….
@The:
Nobody likes Star Trek: Nemesis
I don't know what Cosmic is talking about
Nobody in the world has ever enjoyed that movie
I only saw it once, in theatres. And I enjoyed it at the time.
Of course, there were heavy rumors that Picard was going to die in that one, (Because Stewart was always the big check and holdup for negotiations) so that added a lot of tension that wouldn't have been there otherwise. And I was also however old I would have been when that came out.
I've since only watched the Plinkett review of it, and… it does in fact seem like its not worth revisiting.
! Why didn't they use one of the 72 frozen superpeople's blood? Instead of catching Khan alive, could have killed him and used one of the frozen guy's blood? They stated several times Khan was the only way to save Kirk, which didn't make any sense to me.
! Also, does anyone else think it's crazy that by the end of the movie Bones has sympathized an immortality elixir, and no one is impressed by this? If Khan's century's old regenerative blood is an old Technology, why hadn't they discovered it sooner? Or am i just missing some back story here?
I think most people have seen it by now, but probably should still try to keep plot points under spoiler tags.
Yeah that was really the only thing that bugged me. As for the first question though, it's not really as crazy as you think.
! He doesn't know for a fact that all those people had the same capability to make an elixir based on their blood. Even in real life, people can reject certain blood types. He doesn't know all those people are who he said they are, either, since he's obviously not very trustworthy. Lastly, all those people are frozen solid and who knows if they had the time to quickly and properly unfreeze them.
I think most people have seen it by now, but probably should still try to keep plot points under spoiler tags.
Yeah that was really the only thing that bugged me. As for the first question though, it's not really as crazy as you think.
! He doesn't know for a fact that all those people had the same capability to make an elixir based on their blood. Even in real life, people can reject certain blood types. He doesn't know all those people are who he said they are, either, since he's obviously not very trustworthy. Lastly, all those people are frozen solid and who knows if they had the time to quickly and properly unfreeze them.
But
The Future
Also it's better than not doing anything…
The one thing that kinda bugs me about Star Trek in general is that the Captain, lead Doctor, 1st Officer and best Translator keep going out on these little excursions. They never seem to send a flunky first. Which I feel is very irresponsible especially since they have a really high amount of near death experiences lol. I know that there's the Red Shirt thing…But still.
Oh, they do send the flunkies out sometimes. That's where the joke about red shirts always dying comes from.
i was so scared when they made chekov put on that red shirt. yelchin is adorbs
i was so scared when they made chekov put on that red shirt. yelchin is adorbs
Haha, yeah I was wondering if they did that on purpose to make Trek fans nervous.
Oh, they do send the flunkies out sometimes. That's where the joke about red shirts always dying comes from.
Yeah. I guess it sorta bothers me it didn't happen in the movie.
Finally just got to see the movie today (wanted to see it with the family on my birthday a few weeks ago but noooo, my sister already had plans to see it with her boyfriend the next day), and I freakin' loved it. I think even more than I do the "first" one. The plot flowed quite well, briskly with all the action but very easy to follow. There were lots of references and parallels to older Trek stuff that tied in to things, but it was never a blatant rip-off, and nothing felt shoehorned in for no reason to me. Everything had a purpose and place in the plot.
Heck, they even addressed a lot of the complaints that hardcore fans expressed about the film's 2009 predecessor. Plot-related stuff like Kirk not really being as qualified yet for captaincy as he thought, and visual- and design-related stuff like "cleaning up" Engineering and giving it a more centralized warp core set piece (renewed budget for set design and construction, I suppose). Even my standout issue with the first film was addressed: Uhura now actually had a worthwhile role to play beyond just dangling from Spock's tongue the whole time.
Other things like a quick shout-out to a not-shown "Mudd incident," to the look of horror on Chekov's face when he's told to don a red uniform (though for different reasons than the viewers would have in mind), to the line-up of models of assorted older spaceships in Admiral Marcus' office (including the NX-01 and XCV 330 "ring ship" Enterprises), to name-dropping Section 31, to Sulu having so much fun temporarily being in command, to a tribble having an important part to play… You can really tell a lot of care was taken to present these details as a love note to the fans. Though I'm sure the usual "vocal" handful of them will find a way to view it all as a bad thing.
Now for the really spoilery stuff:
! Khan. Khan Khan Khan. I already knew going in to the movie that's who "John Harrison" really was, thanks to Garret Wang just blatantly spoiling it on Twitter. Regardless, Benedict Cumberbatch totally rocked the role, I tell you what. Despite his bitched-about difference in ethnicity from the late great Ricardo Montalbon, he fit the part amazingly well. He succeeded in bringing that cool and "evil calm" presence, that attitude where he knows he's better than you in every way and it doesn't take you long to realize it either.
! As for how they USED the character, that was done quite well too. They kind of did what I expected them to if Khan was used: Draw in and adapt elements from both Space Seed and Wrath of Khan at the same time. They addressed how he and his fellow augments were found, and the different way things unfolded thanks to war-mongering Admiral Marcus' decisions made sense. I envisioned a Space Seed adaptation where Khan commandeered the Enterprise but went much farther with it, and that's kind of what he did, albeit with the Vengeance instead (which also was given proper introduction as a justifiable "anti-Narada" experiment in the wake of Vulcan's destruction; using that data the Kelvin nabbed for military applications instead of just general technological advancement).
! The other similarities to Wrath of Khan are obvious, but to repeat what I said before, I felt like they all fit very well. Nothing felt forced in just for the sake of being a reference. Kirk's death scene, in particular, which resembled Spock's from Wrath of Khan. Even with a small few of the same lines being spoken, things were completely reversed. The scene wasn't like in Wrath of Khan, with Kirk reflecting on his own age and mortality after losing his best friend. Rather, it was Spock finally realizing that he HAD a best friend, but only after he's just lost him, and likewise realizing that being friends means making sacrifices for each other, even when it isn't the "logical" thing to do. Which in turn tied into Kirk's Prime Directive snafu in the movie's prologue. See what I mean? It all worked together beautifully.
! Lastly, you know what Garret Wang DIDN'T spoil for me? Spock Prime's brief reappearance. In concept, you'd think it'd be a bad thing to see him again after how effectively he "passed the torch" in the last movie, but no. Like I've mentioned for other things, it made sense. If there's anything which Spock Prime would actually be willing to pop back in and offer some advice about, it's Khan, and even the "only what you need to know" approach the character took was very well-handled. I'd imagine Leonard Nimoy must have similarly approved of how the scene was laid out if he was willing to put on the ears once more.
Oh, and… SO MANY beauty shots of the Enterprise. Oh my goodness gracious. I already adored this redesign of the ship, but the movie has increased that love ten-fold.
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Wow… I think I disagree with everything you said! Hahaha. :)
! Despite his bitched-about difference in ethnicity from the late great Ricardo Montalbon, he fit the part amazingly well.
! I think the "bitching" is about him not being Indian. I remember reading an interview with George Takei before the first movie had come out. In the interview he was talking about how Abrams had talked to him about casting a non Japanese as Sulu. Of course they were talking about making him an Asian at least. Not a white dude. :getlost:
! I'll quote part of the interview, but it's a good read. You can find it here.
! > “We were very conscious of racial issues,” he said. “Gene Roddenberry’s philosophy was the Starship Enterprise was a metaphor for Earth. The strength of the starship was in its diversity coming together, working concert as a team. So we were conscious of differences, but those differences that made the Enterprise that much stronger.”
Wow… I think I disagree with everything you said! Hahaha. :)
When talking about Star Trek on the internet, that usually means I'm doing something right. ;)
! I think the "bitching" is about him not being Indian. I remember reading an interview with George Takei before the first movie had come out. In the interview he was talking about how Abrams had talked to him about casting a non Japanese as Sulu. Of course they were talking about making him an Asian at least. Not a white dude. :getlost:
! I'll quote part of the interview, but it's a good read. You can find it here.
! Yeah, I think I've read that before (I know I've personally heard Takei talk about it on the radio, at least). But if the main target of such thematic casting is the main characters of the bridge crew, the same philosophy doesn't necessarily have to extend to other characters and villains like Khan. Rather, so long as he generally looks "close enough," I'd maintain that acting ability and being able to play the part well takes precedence. Cumberbatch certainly passed with flying colors in those regards.
Also… I really want some sort of model of the Vengeance. I've got several of the Sexyprise already, but I'm highly intrigued by the new (and less confusing-looking than the Narada) "bad ship" from Into Darkness now.
Oooooh… I should dig out the ol' Legos and MAKE one.
! Yeah, I think I've read that before (I know I've personally heard Takei talk about it on the radio, at least). But if the main target of such thematic casting is the main characters of the bridge crew, the same philosophy doesn't necessarily have to extend to other characters and villains like Khan.
! Well, no. But I'd hope they still would be conscious of racial issues.
! Rather, so long as he generally looks "close enough," I'd maintain that acting ability and being able to play the part well takes precedence. Cumberbatch certainly passed with flying colors in those regards.
! Cumberbatch looks "close enough" to an Indian…? :blink:
! Cumberbatch looks "close enough" to an Indian…? :blink:
! …those are black and white pictures... :blink: ...In... Color...:
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! Not that it matters. I'm not saying Cumberbatch doesn't look enough like Montalban. I'm saying he doesn't look enough like a man of Sikh ancestry. Which he is supposed to portray.
! EDIT: No, wait! That's not what I'm saying at all! You've got me all confused with this looks talk! Haha. :)
I'm saying the problem is that he isn't of Sikh ancestry.
! Honestly I never knew Khan in the old series was not white. I assumed he had a strong tan…Like he was George Hamilton...
! Honestly I never knew Khan in the old series was not white. I assumed he had a strong tan…Like he was George Hamilton...
! Never saw the original series I presume? On of the first thing the historian says when they've discovered him is, "from the northern India area I would guess. Probably a Sikh, they are the most fantastic warriors."
See the original series! Much better than any of the films! :)
! Never saw the original series I presume? On of the first thing the historian says when they've discovered him is, "from the northern India area I would guess. Probably a Sikh, they are the most fantastic warriors."
See the original series! Much better than any of the films! :)
I haven't seen the original series no lol.
I haven't seen the original series no lol.
Seeeee iiiitt! Much better! Of course, if you do, keep in mind that it's the sixties so there are some weak parts. Like the females are very eh, "female", at times. >_> Oh, and their uniform have miniskirts…
Seeeee iiiitt! Much better! Of course, if you do, keep in mind that it's the sixties so there are some weak parts. Like the females are very eh, "female", at times. >_> Oh, and their uniform have miniskirts…
I can't watch older shows on my own. Plus someone else has to force me to watch shows I initially have no interest in seeing lol.
See the original series! Much better than any of the films! :)
Oh, hell no. Some individual episodes are fantastic, but many of the later season ones are utter bullcrap. Even the biggest, oldest Trek nerds can admit to that.
I can't watch older shows on my own. Plus someone else has to force me to watch shows I initially have no interest in seeing lol.
Well, I'm not in the habit of forcing people to do stuff… :P But if you're interested in real scifi and adventure/exploration Star Trek: The Original Series would definitely be for you! Even though it's effects and such have aged a little.
Oh, hell no. Some individual episodes are fantastic, but many of the later season ones are utter bullcrap. Even the biggest, oldest Trek nerds can admit to that.
A few episodes from season two and three are pretty bad, yes. But I'm talking about the series overall.
To Infinity, and…
Eh…it looks "cool" and all...but does it look like Star Trek?
It's got the ship. I think that's the most we can hope for at this point. Into Darkness did not hold up on repeat viewings. Kind of grown to dislike a lot of things about it.
BUT Simon Peg helped write this one and the story looks original so there's a good chance it'll be a fun ride even if it's not the most Star Trek ride.