Well the level of dumbassery that was on display there is nothing new TBH. Back in Part 3 we had Kakyoin, supposedly the smart one of the group, resorting to hysterics to warn the others about Death 13 (plus they couldn't believe a baby could have a Stand despite the fact they'd already seen an orangutan with one) or when Joseph and Abdul just went "Gee, Polnareff's sure taking a long time to get here" after discussing the need to stick together and when he finally shows up all bloodied from his fight with Chucky they don't even bat an eyelash.
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part II: Do the Dio Walk!
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Wait
! Is Doppio the original and Diavolo the split personality or the contrary?
! The implication is Diavolo and Doppio are two separate souls sharing a body. There is no "original".
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To be fair, Kakioyin going "let me kill the baby" should raise alerts on everybody, and murderous rampage is also in the range of powers of an enemy stand.
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@Cyan:
! The implication is Diavolo and Doppio are two separate souls sharing a body. There is no "original".
Yeah but…
! Their must have been a middle ground between the two souls. A Narancia-level idiot and schizoid murderer could hardly live a inconspicuous lives, find the arrows and capitalize on them selling a bunch to Enya but keeping on to start a criminal enterprise.
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Well the level of dumbassery that was on display there is nothing new TBH. Back in Part 3 we had Kakyoin, supposedly the smart one of the group, resorting to hysterics to warn the others about Death 13 (plus they couldn't believe a baby could have a Stand despite the fact they'd already seen an orangutan with one) or when Joseph and Abdul just went "Gee, Polnareff's sure taking a long time to get here" after discussing the need to stick together and when he finally shows up all bloodied from his fight with Chucky they don't even bat an eyelash.
Hey at least Kakayoin's lapse in judgement was temporary whereas Polnareff suffered brain damage through some unknown means after the fight with Avdol and never fully recovered.
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It was the removal of the DIO bulb of course.
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Yeah but…
! Their must have been a middle ground between the two souls. A Narancia-level idiot and schizoid murderer could hardly live a inconspicuous lives, find the arrows and capitalize on them selling a bunch to Enya but keeping on to start a criminal enterprise.
! part of Diavolo's entire point is that he's meant to be something of a living myth. he was an immaculate conception, somehow picked up a second soul along the way, etc. if something doesnt quite make sense with him or is overall ~a mystery~ it was probably on purpose
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It was the removal of the DIO bulb of course.
That or Avdol literally fried his brain with Magician's Red.
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https://mangadex.org/chapter/566258/1
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Pretty creepy guy and stand. The stand could be Tooru's though. There's no way to really tell. A lot of strange and contradictory stuff going on, probably some time-space manipulation in some way.
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What if,
! the head doctor is this universe version of Joseph and the father of Josefumi…
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Personally Mr. 89 reminded me of Silver Chariot Requiem. Between him and Tooru, plus a weird Stand appearance, I'm pretty interested in this new arc.
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Did anyone else noticed that the 1st and 2nd endings of Golden Wind are similar of how Roundabout looked like to Part 1 and 2?
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Mitsuba is great.
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@Cyan:
Mitsuba is great.
After getting smacked in the face with Kyou, Karera, and Hato, I'm just glad a non-yasuho female character is sticking around for more than one arc.
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Jojolion has been consistently great since they entered the hospital.
On the other hand, I just realized it already entered its 21st volume, making it the second longest part so far and about to reach SBR's length (24)… and I barely feel like we got anywhere with its plot (probably because there is no clear "goal", who they have to beat or where to get). I suppose suddenly we'll just have the final boss appearing in front of Josuke and the final fight will start.
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There's only 11 chapters until it has as many chapters as SBR but it's still 861 pages behind SBR.
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this episode really hammers in how horrifying stand battles must be to non-stand users
like a gay couple just both get shot up by nothing while some kid covered in blood is just flexin' and another dude in hot pink pops out of a well
probably not the weirdest thing to see in venice, but definitely not a normal daynext week is Biggie thoooo
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@Cyan:
Laugh out loud I had the same thought in mind for no reason.
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The copyright dodge name for Notorious BIG is Notorious CHASE.
On one hand, Chase is notoriously a terrible OP. On the other, come on, Noticeably FAT was right there.
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Yeah their logic for the name changes at times is extremely strange. I think I know what they were thinking but it's still a shit change. Especially when they went with Coco Large instead of Coco Jumbo. They didn't change it to Coco Hide or something.
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@Cyan:
The copyright dodge name for Notorious BIG is Notorious CHASE.
On one hand, Chase is notoriously a terrible OP. On the other, come on, Noticeably FAT was right there.
i was rooting for Infamous LARGE, myself
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I'd like notorious ENORMOUS.It is like poesy, it rymes.
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Carne died, releasing his Stand, [Frank White].
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The notorious big fight is probably one of my favourite 'fight' mainly because Trish is a badass & I also like the horror aspect of the fight. Spice girl-wannabe is also very nostalgic.
Just like |Notorious BIG|, the JoJo fanbase takes over the comment section of every song/band that show up in the series.it something I both love & hate of this fanbase.
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Yeah Notorious blah blah blah we're finally getting to the good part starting next week.
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hope y'all are ready for "Metallica gets wasted no matter how hard the anime tries to give La Squadra more relevance"
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Nero makes James Hetfield-esque YEEEAAAUUUHAAAUAAGH as Aerosmith fills him full of lead
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As much as I love part 4, this part is getting close to now becoming my favorite when before it was more towards the bottom in my rankings. Maybe the anime has helped the pacing a lot, or perhaps in about the 5 years since I read it I can appreciate this part more, or most likely the burn of reading all the parts consecutively in ten weeks hit me the hardest around that time. Another great episode and looking forward to the next one. Best part of this episode was that Risotto pose.
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I still think the pacing is all over the place just like most of the other parts. And I don't know if I like having the boss' flashback before Doppio's reveal. Episode was good though. They managed to do the two worst parts of Metallica without any censorship, which surprised me.
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Explain this to an uninitiated person
First time I read Part V, the final boss became the character I hated the most in the entire series (Giorno being a close second). When I reread it, he became my favorite character from Part V… so, yeah, I love this part and loved the episode.
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@.access:
Explain this to an uninitiated person
https://i.postimg.cc/SKHqwhMd/ohdopio.pngFirst time I read Part V, the final boss became the character I hated the most in the entire series (Giorno being a close second). When I reread it, he became my favorite character from Part V… so, yeah, I love this part and loved the episode.
Why didn't you like giorno?
I'm an anime only fan, but so far he's been a far more enjoyable JoJo than Jotaro in Stardust crusaders(he was such a let down, character-wise, after enjoying the shenanigans of Jonathan. )
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I believe Doppio is the original and that the Boss himself is the split personality Doppio created to cope with whatever shit he was dealing with as a kid.
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Doppio and Diavolo are two separate souls inhabiting the same body, there is no original.
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@Cyan:
Doppio and Diavolo are two separate souls inhabiting the same body, there is no original.
I disagree. The boss was not always broken in my opinion. Could go into detail, but I don't know if spoilers are allowed in this thread.
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The baby literally blinks and change eye colours. They where always two souls alternating on the stage.
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The baby literally blinks and change eye colours. They where always two souls alternating on the stage.
- Not in the manga
- Boss' birth year is different in the manga. Anime says it's '65 while in the manga it is '67.
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- Not in the manga
- Boss' birth year is different in the manga. Anime says it's '65 while in the manga it is '67.
Not significant changes for explaining
! Doppio’s death in the Requiem arc. If Diavolo was merely a DID, he would have died alongside Doppio.
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Not significant changes for explaining
! Doppio’s death in the Requiem arc. If Diavolo was merely a DID, he would have died alongside Doppio.
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Basically what I'm saying is that the anime is taking liberties here so you can't use it to prove a point when the source material shows differently.
! A certain Crusaders hypothesis makes more sense than there "always" being two souls just because the anime took a liberty. We have no idea who the father is, why only one of them has a full name, what kind of upbringing the Boss had (how did his stepfather treat him?), when his mother returned to Sardinia, what happened between him and his mother after she returned, why he didn't kill Donatella Una, etc. These details matter, and Araki purposefully left these details in the dark.
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Something that might be worth sharing given the current topic:
Video is from 2017 and posits its thoughts on which one, Doppio or Diavolo, was the true personality.
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Something that might be worth sharing given the current topic:
Video is from 2017 and posits its thoughts on which one, Doppio or Diavolo, was the true personality.
Yeah, I share his sentiments almost exactly.
Furthermore, the Stand is supposed be a souls manifestation of its users soul, no? So if Doppio and the Boss truly are two different souls inhabiting one body and not just one fucked up individual with a severe case of DID, they should have different Stands.
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Why didn't you like giorno?
I'm an anime only fan, but so far he's been a far more enjoyable JoJo than Jotaro in Stardust crusaders(he was such a let down, character-wise, after enjoying the shenanigans of Jonathan. )
I had a very negative response to Jotaro - and Stardust Crusaders as a whole - at first too for the same reason. Joseph was such an unorthodox main character, having a super serious guy next and an arc with much less interesting fights, at least on the the first half… I actually dropped SC twice at early stages of the manga because of that and only managed to get to Egypt using the OVAs as crutches to skip some parts.
As for Giorno, I guess the same as Jotaro. He just feels like a by-the-book character compared to his predecessor, plus I was majorly disappointed by how him and Vento Aureo promised story of manipulation and deceit as he went up the ladder of Passione, but ended up being just being a sequence of fights.
When I reread it, everything in Part 5 improved a lot, but while I couldn't say I hated Giorno anymore he is still the one JoJo I don't actually like either (well, him and Jojolion!Josuke, but this guy still has some time).
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The answer that Araki would give is "what? yeah sure" to any Diavolo Doppio questions.
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Jotaro has a lot more personality than people give him credit for. He's not nearly as fun as someone like Joseph or nuanced as someone like Johnny, but he does have a lot of great character moments. He has a clear presence and identity that's played both for action and humor. He's stoic to a fault, he's an aggressive punk who's kindhearted to the people who deserve it and merciless to anyone who pisses him off, and he plays by his own rules. It is a very Jotaro thing for Jotaro to just throw a temperamental dog at the enemy, since it's whatever works. Some of the best moments in all of part 3 are Jotaro moments, particularly the end of the D'arby and Lovers fights. Those are moments that only pay off so well because of who Jotaro is.
Giorno on the other hand? People have long suggested he has a personality, but the research is still inconclusive. It's telling just how much of part 5 is spent having other characters attempt to convince us that he does have a personality. Oh wow, Giorno got shot! But it must have been because he was showing me the way and knew how I'd react, he is such a thoughtful teacher and a great leader! Hey look, Giorno got both his arms chopped off! Only somebody so trusting and intelligent would do that! I swear, every time I reread/watch part 5, I find more of these little Giorno monologues, but never any more actual character moments or personality. He gets a few right in the beginning of the part, where he steals Koichi's shit and faces Polpo's trial, but after that it's just "I have a dream!" and winning fights by being good and having a broken power that works however Araki needs it to so that Giorno wins the fights.
You can really see the difference if you compare the end of the Lover's fight with the end of the Cioccolatta fight. In a vacuum, they're pretty similar. Protag beats the everloving shit out of an annoying villain. In the Lover's fight, though, this isn't just the payoff to the villain being annoying, but rather for Jotaro who's been stoically taking all of his shit, cataloguing it and dreaming up just how badly he's going to beat the dude's ass. Jotaro is a ticking time bomb and we're all waiting for him to go off. The end of the Cioccolatta fight, though, is more about catharsis for finally being able to beat the seemingly unkillable Cioccolatta. It wouldn't make any difference if, say, Bruno was the one to deliver the multi-page punchload, because the emphasis is on the dude getting punched, so that isn't really a Giorno moment.
And that's just the thing; when you think about it, are there really any Giorno moments? The most memorable things he does involve using his power 'creatively,' which is to say ways that look cool, but come out of nowhere and don't reflect much on his intelligence or personality. It's hard to pin down anything about him, except for some really skeletal traits: he's clever, observant, cares about his friends, hates his enemies and is good at fights, which - as far as shonen protags go - all boils down to 'has a pulse'.
Jotaro is still a pretty generic protagonist (imported straight from Clint Eastwood westerns), but he does manage to have a personality, and that alone puts him lightyears ahead of Giorno.
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Also everything about Jotaro in Part 4 and 5 is fucking hilarious after learning about Jolyne.
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Jotaro also has a lot of smaller moments like revealing that he likes Sumo Wrestling and obsessively watched Columbo as a kid
Giorno has inklings of a personality at first, being someone who will scam others minorly to prevent them from being scammed severely, clearly enjoys all the female attention he had during his bout with Koichi, and had some of that classic joestar audacity behind everything he did.
but then post-polpo he just sorta becomes Determined And Stoic, with everyone going to bat for how amazing he is. He has small moments like being sad that he can't have pizza on an airplane or drinkin' the peepee, but it's all too few and far between to really come across as anything substantial. The most you can really say about Giorno is that his VA in the anime does a really good job at making him seem like he has a personality, which is more than what his older VAs did for him.