Setsuna does finger guns at Bakugo but then her fingers actually shoot off and poke him in his eyes
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Setsuna detaches her touches and licks all the sweat off bakugo's hands therefore rendering him effectively quirkless.
On second hand nevermind that's disgusting
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Katsuki does the biggest explosion he's ever done, blowing Lizard Girl to pieces. Believing that he killed her, Katsuki is shamed by his actions for the first time in his life and weeps hot tears as he demands to be expelled from the Hero Course.
Lizard Girl then reassembles herself and kicks Katsuki in the balls, winning the match.
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You know, that’s really how Twice’s quirk should work. Copying anything is weird, but being able to regenerate tissue and grow clones like a starfish would actually be cool and make some legitimate sense.
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Forget about the lizard, let's talk about the real hype.
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You mean something like Kelly Funk's skin jacket Devil Fruit or the Venom Symbiote mixed with Doflamingo's Parasite?
That would be freaking awesome. But I would also expect Horikoshi to totally play up a dumb "OOH, I'M NAKED UNTIL I GET MY SKIN BACK/REGROW MY SKIN" gag for sure. Similar to what happened with Toga, although I think that got treated with more respect and proper tension, maybe?
By the way, I actually have nothing against superpowers that rely on skin exposure or even becoming naked. I think those powers can be quite creative and I'm always game for series embracing sexual autonomy and body positivity. But I'm just convinced Horikoshi is going to portray it in a stupid skeevy way that exploits his female characters for cheap laughs and fanservice for the umpteenth time.
Literally that's only been the case with Tooru and the joke is that you don't actually see anything. Also good job not bringing up Mirio, a male character who's clothes constantly phases out so he has to fight naked if he's not wearing his costume, but I guess that wouldn't count to you.
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Literally that's only been the case with Tooru and the joke is that you don't actually see anything. Also good job not bringing up Mirio, a male character who's clothes constantly phases out so he has to fight naked if he's not wearing his costume, but I guess that wouldn't count to you.
No need to be snippy about it. And she's not the only one. Toga not Camie for instance. Also Mirio wasn't set up like a potentially sexual thing. Slight differences but male nudity is usually just silly without intent to make it remotely sexy. In his cause it was a weird mix of powerful and goofy. Toga as Camie was powerful but presented with some flirtation.
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Literally that's only been the case with Tooru and the joke is that you don't actually see anything. Also good job not bringing up Mirio, a male character who's clothes constantly phases out so he has to fight naked if he's not wearing his costume, but I guess that wouldn't count to you.
Considering how Tooru lacks any character besides that gag and being upbeat, I wouldn't consider that the best female character writing ever told. But aside from that, the joke is pretty tame and fine.
Since you criticized me for forgetting Mirio, is it fair if I point out how you can't remember Toga? Although on the topic of skeevy fanservice gags, I would also like to bring up stuff like the girls being forced into being Sports Festival cheerleaders, Momo's Field Training being about posing seductively for a commercial without any point to it besides being funny and I think setting up her relationship with Kendo, the beauty pageant mini plot no one cared about, young girls finding Camie too attractive during the remedial exam, or literally everything with Mineta trying to peep or grope them. So it's not like this isn't a recurring tendency for Horikoshi to have.
Mirio is a fully rounded character with other traits with the naked gag only being one of them, and that alone was played off as only goofy in the sense that nobody wants to see a guy naked in public. Not sexy fanservice (not that this has to stop anyone who finds men attractive to see that as sexy).
If Mirio's nudity was fanservice exploitation, the mood and reactions would have more sexual tension in that situation. Like how Deku reacted to Toga-Camie being gooey and naked when using her Quirk. But that situation and other times Toga used her Quirk have still been handled with proper tension, fortunately.
But it is definitely possible to sexually exploit male characters, and I would totally call that out if I noticed it. It just happens much more rarely than with females in overall media.
I'm not really sure why you're so desperate to find some biased agenda in me and I think this discussion could actually be insightful for everyone to participate in if you can tone down on the unnecessary spite. The topic of when fanservice is fine or too out of line is one I am actually very interested in having.
When male characters are show skin in comics, at least 90% of the time it's meant to be a power fantasy emphasizing how ripped they are or to be goofy without sexy undertones. It can be fanservice, but that depends on context.
When you give female characters unrealistic hourglass proportions, expose large amounts their skin especially around their cleavage/posterior, and draw them in curvy anatomically impossible poses emphasizing their curves or back, it is always meant to emphasize their sex appeal. That is the only point.
And even then, I would argue a female artist making sexy scantily clad male characters usually looks way different from what a straight male artist might think appeals to them. They'd focus less on muscles and more on looking lean, emphasize attractive facial complexion and lips, put them in tight clothes, give them shining googly eyes, etc. The type of stuff you find in plenty of fan art, although everyone obviously has different subjective tastes in making a character look attractive. Actually, you could just look at the Shouto illusion Camie created in the Remedial Exam arc to get my point here.
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Since we're on the subject, I don't know why Hagakure couldn't have an outfit similar to how Mirio's hero outfit works. Well okay, I know why, it's just that Horikoshi doesn't want to give up the gag, but it's just so dumb. I felt bad for her at the beginning of the arc, girl is freezing herself to death lol
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Since we're on the subject, I don't know why Hagakure couldn't have an outfit similar to how Mirio's hero outfit works. Well okay, I know why, it's just that Horikoshi doesn't want to give up the gag, but it's just so dumb. I felt bad for her at the beginning of the arc, girl is freezing herself to death lol
She's straight up naked?
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She's straight up naked?
Second Ojiro in the chapter Todoroki first showed his quirk, yes she is.
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Hmm. That sound like a really dumb idea. You get damage to easily and are way to sensible. She should at least get a quick undress system like she can can get undress and dress in 3 seconds or something. Also is invisble even that useful? Does she do kung-fu because that's the one thing that could benefit I think.
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Hmm. That sound like a really dumb idea. You get damage to easily and are way to sensible. She should at least get a quick undress system like she can can get undress and dress in 3 seconds or something. Also is invisble even that useful? Does she do kung-fu because that's the one thing that could benefit I think.
She was able reflect light like a mirror back in the License Exam arc.
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Don't see why some of those hero engineers can't produce transparent clothing. It would be useless for normal people, but for someone who is already invisible…
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Maybe it's just super hard to work with a substance you can't see. How will you know you're sewing it right? Lol.
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Maybe it's just super hard to work with a substance you can't see. How will you know you're sewing it right? Lol.
Spray paint it with washable paint? Walking around naked just seems like a strange choice when you're not flaunting it like Midnight(and it was retconned she is quite covered actually).
I mean if she gets to become a hero she will be walking around naked all day since you are suppose to be in costume. As an unintended fashion, It bogles my mind.
I really should not be thinking about this so much. But really exposed skin is a stupid idea for an hero. Kind of why the whole drill into tail guy was so stupid to me. How do you not think of that? We had fighting sports for years godamnit.
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Considering how Tooru lacks any character besides that gag and being upbeat, I wouldn't consider that the best female character writing ever told. But aside from that, the joke is pretty tame and fine.
She does have a character but Tooru's gimmick is the joke in itself but its largely harmless.
Since you criticized me for forgetting Mirio, is it fair if I point out how you can't remember Toga?
Because it was something that was just brought up once and it wasn't particularly titillating but a clear weakness she has when her quirk gets deactivated
Although on the topic of skeevy fanservice gags, I would also like to bring up stuff like the girls being forced into being Sports Festival cheerleaders
That's incredibly tame and they weren't forced to do so.
Momo's Field Training being about posing seductively for a commercial without any point to it besides being funny and I think setting up her relationship with Kendo
What was seductive about it? It was literally one damn panel of them looking nervous and they clearly didn't want to be there.
the beauty pageant mini plot no one cared about
Beauty Pageants are a thing that exists and females particpant in them. This is clearly ridiculing fanservice meant to exploit them and not some innocent fun que to winner for two years being a character with huge eyelashes.
young girls finding Camie too attractive during the remedial exam
And?
or literally everything with Mineta trying to peep or grope them.
Yeah Mineta is a known creep who all the characters acknowledge is one who never gets his way. What's the problem? That he's virtually harmless or that he's a teenager boy? Man compared to shit like Happiness Punch, Nami stripping and changing in front of all the males in the room, virtually all her outfits, the Kalifa fight, etc. this is all pretty tame.
Mirio is a fully rounded character with other traits with the naked gag only being one of them, and that alone was played off as only goofy in the sense that nobody wants to see a guy naked in public. Not sexy fanservice (not that this has to stop anyone who finds men attractive to see that as sexy).
I forgot male fanservice doesn't count because….reasons.
> If Mirio's nudity was fanservice exploitation, the mood and reactions would have more sexual tension in that situation
. Like how Deku reacted to Toga-Camie being gooey and naked when using her Quirk. But that situation and other times Toga used her Quirk have still been handled with proper tension, fortunately.
QUE Jirou blushing at seeing him in the buff
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She does have a character but Tooru's gimmick is the joke in itself but its largely harmless.
Since you criticized me for forgetting Mirio, is it fair if I point out how you can't remember Toga?
Because it was something that was just brought up once and it wasn't particularly titillating but a clear weakness she has when her quirk gets deactivated
Mirio is not really fanservice. He's a weird character with weird features, and most of the stuff that comes with him is comical by nature.
There's also the fact that when Mirio becomes naked, no character acts interested on it. Jiro has a gag where nudity of any kind really bothers her, meaning that instead of sexual interest, you get the opposite.
It's not equivalent.
Oh, and about the girls wearing cheerleader outfits, they weren't forced, but were definitely tricked into it, which is pretty bad too. Essentially, Mineta got his way into it.
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Maybe it's just super hard to work with a substance you can't see. How will you know you're sewing it right? Lol.
Serious answer to the silly aside, but you'd probably work with it under infrared, or whatever wavelength of light it's opaque to that wouldn't kill you or give you cancer that would also kill you. As far as science goes, the invisible clothing is much less outlandish than the invisible person and closer to reality than most of the magic nonsense support tech in this series, but of course it's one thing that Hori hasn't touched on for what I'm sure are two modestly-sized reasons.
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Serious answer to the silly aside, but you'd probably work with it under infrared, or whatever wavelength of light it's opaque to that wouldn't kill you or give you cancer that would also kill you. As far as science goes, the invisible clothing is much less outlandish than the invisible person and closer to reality than most of the magic nonsense support tech in this series, but of course it's one thing that Hori hasn't touched on for what I'm sure are two modestly-sized reasons.
Yeah probably. But I'm just guessing she never thought of getting specially made clothes.
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I'm usually all up for well done fights in manga arcs (I think the lack of them is one of One Piece post timeskips greatest flaws) but I'm just not feeling it here :(
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I have no idea what rock you're trying to die on, but let's say you get the Mirio fanservice point (which you don't. As a bi dude, I can tell you that ain't fanservice), let's tally the score here.
Notable female characters in MHA: Mina, Tsuyu, Ochaco, Jiro, Toru, Momo, Midnight, Recovery Girl, Nejire, Mei, Ms. Joke, Camie, Eri, Mirko, Mt. Lady, Ryukyu, Bubble Girl, Ragdoll, Pixie-Bob, Mandalay, Tiger, La Brava, Magne, Toga, Itsuka, Ibara, Kinoko, Setsuna, Pony, Inko and Mitsuki. There's some more here and there, and a few other Class B ones we haven't seen yet, but that's 30 characters, minor and major. Of those, Toru, Momo, Midnight, Toga and maybe Setsuna have quirks that require them to reveal skin to use their powers. Mt. Lady is also pretty fanservicey with the use of her powers on purpose, even though they don't require her to be. Together that makes 5, maybe 6 female characters in the cast that have fanservice encoded in their DNA, which is almost 20%. In addition to those 6 characters, Bubble Girl also wears a revealing outfit, so that's 7 fanservicey characters. Now let's count characters that have had fanservice moments in addition to those 7. All the Class A gals had the cheerleader outfit thing, so that adds Mina, Tsuyu, Ochaco and Jiro to the list, bumping it up to 11. Mei has fanservicey interactions with Deku, making her 12. Camie was fanserviced indirectly through Toga, but her character design was exploited for it, so that counts as 13. If we count Ragdoll being necessarily naked after having her powers stripped, that bumps us up just under the halfway point at 14. That's about 50% of the female characters that have had any amount of focus. If you are a girl in MHA, toss of a coin says you're gonna be exploited for fanservice (and this isn't even getting into flirtatious characters, ones who are mainly defined by romantic relationships, or light fanservice like the catgirl outfits, skintight outfits and decent amounts of skin showing that aren't blatantly fanservice, but you can bet are being draw in that way).
If we're counting similarly notable male characters (I'm not going to list them, the list is too big), we have somewhere in the 80s (maybe more, depending on who you want to count). Let's stick to 80 to be generous. Of those 80, Mirio has a quirk that renders him nude. There are no revealing outfits or fanservice moments for the other ones. That's it, just one guy. That gives us at just over 1%.
So even if you're counting Mirio as male fanservice, the numbers don't exactly add up.
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I have no idea what rock you're trying to die on, but let's say you get the Mirio fanservice point (which you don't. As a bi dude, I can tell you that ain't fanservice), let's tally the score here.
You can't decide what's fanservice or not because I can make the same sort of BS claims that Momo's outfit isn't fanservice and she needs to have as much open space in her outfit in order for her quirk to be efficient but then you'll laugh at that notice same with Toru needing to get naked .
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Yeah you're not a biased SOB at all. "This character is female so she's automatically fanservice". Alrighty.
If we're counting similarly notable male characters (I'm not going to list them, the list is too big), we have somewhere in the 80s (maybe more, depending on who you want to count). Let's stick to 80 to be generous. Of those 80, Mirio has a quirk that renders him nude. There are no revealing outfits or fanservice moments for the other ones. That's it, just one guy. That gives us at just over 1%.
Kirishima and TetsuTetsu literally has a costumes that shows off most of his skin and he runs around shirtless half the time, characters like Vlad, Bakugou, All Might, etc. have skin tight costumes that shows off their figures and muscules, Ojiro's costume is an open vested Gi, and then there's the hot springs scene when we see all the males in the buff. And to further humilate it there's a MALE character who's quirk only works if he exposes himself to the public. But I'm guessing these don't count because…reasons.
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You can't decide what's fanservice or not because I can make the same sort of BS claims that Momo's outfit isn't fanservice and she needs to have as much open space in her outfit in order for her quirk to be efficient but then you'll laugh at that notice same with Toru needing to get naked .
Yeah you're not a biased SOB at all. "This character is female so she's automatically fanservice". Alrighty.
Kirishima and TetsuTetsu literally has a costumes that shows off most of his skin and he runs around shirtless half the time, characters like Vlad, Bakugou, All Might, etc. have skin tight costumes that shows off their figures and muscules, Ojiro's costume is an open vested Gi, and then there's the hot springs scene when we see all the males in the buff. And to further humilate it there's a MALE character who's quirk only works if he exposes himself to the public. But I'm guessing these don't count because…reasons.
Dude, you're trying to argue exposed skin between males and females as equal fanservice.
That's not how it works. You can tell what's fanservice and what's not by the intention behind it.
Question: would you consider this fanservice?
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Yeah you're not a biased SOB at all.
Woah now, tiger. Sounds like someone's a little cranky. Maybe you didn't get enough sleep? Maybe you should take a nap and come back when you're well-rested, or I'm going to have to put you on time out.
Seriously, if you make another reductive or rude statement to another member in this thread (which you have been doing throughout your little tantrum), I'm gonna threadban you for a week. Just a friendly warning.
I was going to go through the rest of your post, but then I realized you didn't actually address the disproportion thing, which was kind of the entire thing I was talking about? No matter what way you crunch those numbers, whatever way you're trying to suggest I'm overlooking or exaggerating anything, at the end of the day, Hori still writes way more fanservice of ladies than the dudes, even though there's like three times more dudes than ladies in the series.
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The one male fanservice page we have is probably this one. Essentially, the one panel primarily dedicated to showing male characters in an attractive light (also known as fanservice, which some people have yet to grasp the concept of)
http://manga.fascans.com/manga/my-hero-academia/71/10
Compare with the following female ones:
http://manga.fascans.com/manga/my-hero-academia/32/15
http://manga.fascans.com/manga/my-hero-academia/71/12
http://manga.fascans.com/manga/my-hero-academia/80.5/14
http://manga.fascans.com/manga/my-hero-academia/118.5/15
http://manga.fascans.com/manga/my-hero-academia/49.5/3 I could post more.
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I've run out of ideas for stuff to put here, so I'm going to make it a workbook for practicing sexy shots.
But who are we to say what is and what is not fanservice.
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There is hardly any intentional "female" gaze in this series. Todoroki got one but that was Camie creating the illusion of extra bishonen Todoroki.
Even the scenes where Ochaco is staring at Deku in a pining sort of way he's not doing anything sexy. He's just training or being kinda of a dork. Kirishima has more of a male power fantasy outfit than one intended to be sexy. Bakugo's costume is definitely not meant to be intended as sexy he's wearing huge grenades on his arms. Only his upper half is wearing anything clingy. Ojiro is just wearing a normal gi…
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Dude, you're trying to argue exposed skin between males and females as equal fanservice.
That's not how it works. You can tell what's fanservice and what's not by the intention behind it.
Question: would you consider this fanservice?
You can't dictate what is considered fanservice or not because there's plenty of thing you might not find exploitative that many people do. And yes Voldo is considered fanservice given that his freaking codpiece is in the create a character selection. He is clearly meant to be a erotic character.
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The one male fanservice page we have is probably this one. Essentially, the one panel primarily dedicated to showing male characters in an attractive light (also known as fanservice, which some people have yet to grasp the concept of)
And of course you're not going to bring up the fact that we spend more times seeing the males in the bath than the females who only get a page? I thought so…also
http://93.190.142.23/manga/Boku-No-Hero-Academia/0123-014.png
I could post more
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I feel you're misunderstanding what fan service is. In general the gaze vs power display. That shot of Mirio reads as sexy? How exactly? Also that bath scene for example. The guys weren't doing anything they weren't situated in unnatural poses and they're most submerged under water. The girls were just all gathered around and grouped together in such a way that Kota got an eye full and Mineta was actively trying to spy. It's almost the same scene as the locker room. The guys aren't doing anything other than changing. No comments about appearances are made there's no attempt to draw attention to it. But on the other side Mineta (again) is drawing focus to the girls and rattling off their best features. It's not equal, the girls rarely comment on the guys appearances. In fact I think the only time people comment about a guy's looks are from that one Pussycat and they were dirty and tired and not doing anything sexy. But she was more into them because they were strong combatants. And then Toga's crazy self liking a beat up and broken Deku. Which is largely not generally a normal sexy thing.
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For anyone who had doubts that the male muscle stuff was primarily for men, witness the straight dude who is the only one in this conversation getting worked up over pictures of shirtless guys.
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It's not equal, the girls rarely comment on the guys appearances. In fact I think the only time people comment about a guy's looks are from that one Pussycat and they were dirty and tired and not doing anything sexy.
Well there's Midnight, but something tells me that her borderline predatory comments aren't meant to excite women.
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I feel you're misunderstanding what fan service is.
I'm not misunderstanding anything. You're just biased.
In general the gaze vs power display. That shot of Mirio reads as sexy? How exactly? Also that bath scene for example. The guys weren't doing anything they weren't situated in unnatural poses and they're most submerged under water.
….Bakugou is literally walking with his sclong out
The girls were just all gathered around and grouped together in such a way that Kota got an eye full and Mineta was actively trying to spy.
The only character Kouta could see anything of was Mina everyone else was submerged or covering themselves. Its the most unsexy thing imaginable.
It's almost the same scene as the locker room. The guys aren't doing anything other than changing. No comments about appearances are made there's no attempt to draw attention to it. But on the other side Mineta (again) is drawing focus to the girls and rattling off their best features.
Nice double standard. The girls arent even doing anything suggestive but changing and wow..the residental pervert comments on all the girls in his class. That's surprising.
It's not equal, the girls rarely comment on the guys appearances.
Todoroki got hit on By Cammie and is considered attractive by the girls. In the light novels there's an entire chapter of the girls talking about the boys.
For anyone who had doubts that the male muscle stuff was primarily for men, witness the straight dude who is the only one in this conversation getting worked up over pictures of shirtless guys.
Wait do you people seriously believe that girls don't ogoogle men's pecs so they shouldn't be considered fanservice? How deluded are you? But then again according to you and other people the mere presence of women is considered fanservice.
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Wait do you people seriously believe that girls don't ogoogle men's pecs so they shouldn't be considered fanservice? How deluded are you? But then again according to you and other people the mere presence of women is considered fanservice.
No one's saying never ever ever. No body part's off limits for those with enough imagination. You're just in a conversation with a woman and a man who like men, and you're the only one getting anything out of these particular half-naked guys.
You can draw (links mildly NSFW) sexy naked men and unsexy naked women, but that's not what we're seeing in MHA at all.
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I'm not misunderstanding anything. You're just biased.
Good argument, bro.
Why are we even talking to you?
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Serious answer to the silly aside, but you'd probably work with it under infrared, or whatever wavelength of light it's opaque to that wouldn't kill you or give you cancer that would also kill you. As far as science goes, the invisible clothing is much less outlandish than the invisible person and closer to reality than most of the magic nonsense support tech in this series, but of course it's one thing that Hori hasn't touched on for what I'm sure are two modestly-sized reasons.
Either Horikoshi didn't think too deep into it or Hagakure's body shape needs to be kept a secret for some reason. Since anyone making the suit would need the body measurements. But if it was the second option, her complaining about the cold doesn't make much sense.
After all, you'd think in all this time of her being exposed butt naked to all the elements, she would at least had an idea or two to ask a science department about. She could also get a suit that can alternate between visibility and transparency, to simplify her social interaction, not to mention there are merits in being able to reveal your position to your allies if needed. Not to mention that she's also completely defenseless. As soon as an enemy becomes aware there's an invisible person around, there are many ways of revealing her location. Even more so if she becomes a famous hero.
And considering her shape could have been easily checked by heat sensor or IR cams or whatever, I'd say Horikoshi hasn't thought of it that much.
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No one's saying never ever ever. No body part's off limits for those with enough imagination. You're just in a conversation with a woman and a man who like men, and you're the only one getting anything out of these particular half-naked guys.
You can draw (links mildly NSFW) sexy naked men and unsexy naked women, but that's not what we're seeing in MHA at all.
What the hell are you talking about? Anyone can get off to anything. What is the intent of being sexy or not is entirely up to you. I can make an argument as to those examples not eing sexy as you continue to push the narrative that it is. Your argument is literally "women breathing=sexy" "Man standing around with his dick out=/=not sexy".
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Women heaving and panting while blushing
A man standing in combat pose but without clothes
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Women heaving and panting while blushing
She's sick and as a fever
A man standing in combat pose but without clothes
He has an erection
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When was the last time we got actual confirmation on Hagakure being naked in her hero costume? It's heavily implied back near the beginning and she's gotten actually naked a few times, but it's entirely possible she's gotten a suit since the summer and just never told anyone.
It's even more likely when you remember she's the traitor and has several tricks up her hypothetical sleeves.
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When was the last time we got actual confirmation on Hagakure being naked in her hero costume? It's heavily implied back near the beginning and she's gotten actually naked a few times, but it's entirely possible she's gotten a suit since the summer and just never told anyone.
It's even more likely when you remember she's the traitor and has several tricks up her hypothetical sleeves.
Well this implies as much. Unless she's lying. But if she does have a suit and didn't tell anyone, it's still on shaky legs. Don't need to remember she's a potential traitor, that's why I accounted the possibility of her hiding her form.
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When was the last time we got actual confirmation on Hagakure being naked in her hero costume? It's heavily implied back near the beginning and she's gotten actually naked a few times, but it's entirely possible she's gotten a suit since the summer and just never told anyone.
It's even more likely when you remember she's the traitor and has several tricks up her hypothetical sleeves.
I mean, she openly admitted she was freezing when Jiro asked in Ch. 194. The only visible stuff continues to be her gloves and boots. Wouldn't exactly make sense to have an invisible suit, but not bother to do the same for her hands and feet.
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He has an erection
Who has an erection? Sorry I just spazzed out during the interesting discussion you guys had.
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What the hell are you talking about? Anyone can get off to anything. What is the intent of being sexy or not is entirely up to you. I can make an argument as to those examples not eing sexy as you continue to push the narrative that it is. Your argument is literally "women breathing=sexy" "Man standing around with his dick out=/=not sexy".
I literally gave you examples of sexy male nudity (that pic was from a fairly sexual series with actual equal opportunity fanservice, written by a man and woman duo. Note the emphasized curvature, the mood lighting, the way the body hair, tattoos and color draw your eyes all over the body, and how the actions are put in the background with lower detail and darker lighting) and non-sexualized female nudity (a character from a very non-sexual series, that happens written by a woman. Character's actions and reactions are emphasized, drawing your focus away from her body, breasts are drawn really plainly with low detail, body drawn without any extra curvature, lighting and shading don't focus your attention anywhere in particular). There's a huge difference, based on artist intent. That's what artists do: they draw things the way they want them to be read.
Of course, with Horikoshi, we also have the writing as evidence of his intent (lots of tropes and gags centered around boys ogling women, female characters like Mt. Lady and Midnight that constantly act sexy as part of their personality, that actual line I quoted earlier where Horikoshi flat out said 'yeah, I'm gonna draw sexy ladies'), which matches up well with how his art tends to emphasize the sexuality in women, but not really in men. It's not even like Horikoshi is the worst with fanservice or anything either, but it's very present with clear intent.
The sexuality of characters is something the artist has control of. If you can't actually see that, then you're the only one who believes any of the shit you're accusing people of here.
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I have no idea what rock you're trying to die on, but let's say you get the Mirio fanservice point (which you don't. As a bi dude, I can tell you that ain't fanservice), let's tally the score here.
Notable female characters in MHA: Mina, Tsuyu, Ochaco, Jiro, Toru, Momo, Midnight, Recovery Girl, Nejire, Mei, Ms. Joke, Camie, Eri, Mirko, Mt. Lady, Ryukyu, Bubble Girl, Ragdoll, Pixie-Bob, Mandalay, Tiger, La Brava, Magne, Toga, Itsuka, Ibara, Kinoko, Setsuna, Pony, Inko and Mitsuki. There's some more here and there, and a few other Class B ones we haven't seen yet, but that's 30 characters, minor and major. Of those, Toru, Momo, Midnight, Toga and maybe Setsuna have quirks that require them to reveal skin to use their powers. Mt. Lady is also pretty fanservicey with the use of her powers on purpose, even though they don't require her to be. Together that makes 5, maybe 6 female characters in the cast that have fanservice encoded in their DNA, which is almost 20%. In addition to those 6 characters, Bubble Girl also wears a revealing outfit, so that's 7 fanservicey characters. Now let's count characters that have had fanservice moments in addition to those 7. All the Class A gals had the cheerleader outfit thing, so that adds Mina, Tsuyu, Ochaco and Jiro to the list, bumping it up to 11. Mei has fanservicey interactions with Deku, making her 12. Camie was fanserviced indirectly through Toga, but her character design was exploited for it, so that counts as 13. If we count Ragdoll being necessarily naked after having her powers stripped, that bumps us up just under the halfway point at 14. That's about 50% of the female characters that have had any amount of focus. If you are a girl in MHA, toss of a coin says you're gonna be exploited for fanservice (and this isn't even getting into flirtatious characters, ones who are mainly defined by romantic relationships, or light fanservice like the catgirl outfits, skintight outfits and decent amounts of skin showing that aren't blatantly fanservice, but you can bet are being draw in that way).
If we're counting similarly notable male characters (I'm not going to list them, the list is too big), we have somewhere in the 80s (maybe more, depending on who you want to count). Let's stick to 80 to be generous. Of those 80, Mirio has a quirk that renders him nude. There are no revealing outfits or fanservice moments for the other ones. That's it, just one guy. That gives us at just over 1%.
So even if you're counting Mirio as male fanservice, the numbers don't exactly add up.
I think there's been more than that, like for instance shirtless todoroki after his battle vs deku might have intended to be just badass but ive seen a lot of girls on tumblr fawn over that scene about his abs. There's probably a few others like that.
Dont misunderstamd me the ratio certainly isnt equal but its not nonexistant IMO.
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Who has an erection? Sorry I just spazzed out during the interesting discussion you guys had.
I have no idea either lol
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You can't dictate what is considered fanservice or not because there's plenty of thing you might not find exploitative that many people do. And yes Voldo is considered fanservice given that his freaking codpiece is in the create a character selection. He is clearly meant to be a erotic character.
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It's true. Not my proudest fap, though. ^^;
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This discussion is just going in circles cause someone is trying to sexualize stuff that's not even purposefully sexy lol.
Bakugo walking around without the towel on is far in the distance and he's mostly obscured still. I'm biased how? Do you not see my avatar? Lol. Seriously there's a difference in how the guys are handled and how the girls are. Pick up a doujinshi and see what real fan service for men looks like lol. This ain't it.
People can fawn over whoever they want. If they like that character anything with revealing clothes could be viewed as fan service to that person. But that is most likely not the author's intent. And it's very obvious when it's supposed to be.
Oh noes Todorki has half a shirt burned off. Okay a lot of his fans loved that. But it's not presented in a sexy way exactly is it?
Don't make me drag in the link for the Haweye Initiative. I will burn your eyes out with intentional male fan service lol.
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You can't dictate what is considered fanservice or not because there's plenty of thing you might not find exploitative that many people do. And yes Voldo is considered fanservice given that his freaking codpiece is in the create a character selection. He is clearly meant to be a erotic character.
Confirmed. You don't know what fanservice is.
Voldo's design is clearly meant to be creepy rather than sexually attractive. Ask any woman or even man and chances are that none (or the heavy majority at best) of them will find it appealing. Just drawing a naked guy is not fanservice, especially if the guy is some sort of weird BDSM demon thing. Voldo is actually Fan Disservice in this case.
Fanservice, according to you.
Intent is the most important thing to identify what is or isn't fanservice. One can easily tell when the author is trying to turn on the audience by just reading the context around the scene.
Hell, that's why it's called fanservice. It's not just reserved for erotic imagery. Dedicating screentime for extremely popular characters or events that the fandom has been wanting to see for years can all be considered fanservice, especially if they take precedence over the plot.
You can't dictate what is considered fanservice or not because there's plenty of thing you might not find exploitative that many people do. And yes Voldo is considered fanservice given that his freaking codpiece is in the create a character selection. He is clearly meant to be a erotic character.
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And of course you're not going to bring up the fact that we spend more times seeing the males in the bath than the females who only get a page? I thought so...also
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Again, you completely miss the point here.
Context, man. Context and Intent. You keep equating male and female nudity as if it were the same, when it's not.
The page with Mirio you posted is clearly meant to come out as funny, going by his puffed up face and how Jiro reacts right after. The one with Sir Nighteye is supposed to tell you he's not as weak as he seems, in contrast with his usual appearance.
Whereas with the girls, the general message is to "look at how cute and hot they are".
Is it a double standard? Yes, it is. But you don't erase it by making male and female bodies equally nude (when it's not "equal" in the first place). Making a male character shirtless doesn't have the same weight as doing the same to a female one, especially when the series has many buff dudes that aren't considered attractive so much as ugly and scary.
Look at all that exposed muscle.
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But who's to say that in Fairy Tail, when Erza was chained up naked in a dungeon and tortured by a donimatrix until she peed herself on-screen that it wasn't just meant in, you know, a regular way. Natsu wears a vest without a shirt, so where's the difference?
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The whole rationale that fanservice is subjective is frankly nonsensical.
The author absolutely knows when he wants his audience to feel tittilated.
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Wait, y'all don't think shirtless Todoroki counts as fanservice? Cuz not gonna lie, I do think… that's hot. /shot