I bet Aokiji gave Spandam (spit) the Golden Den-Den Mushi because he KNEW Spandam would be an idiot and accidentally press it, allowing the Straw Hats to fight stronger enemies. Plus I bet he wants to see what happens, and if Luffy will actually survive.
Aokiji actually trying to help the Straw Hats get stronger?
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no, I don't think soā¦... Aokiji isn't going to let the "enemy" get stronger....... from his talk with Luffy, I think Aokiji is just trying to stall time.....he can fair well catch the Mugiwaras or kill Luffy...but he didn't....... which makes you wonder what he really is up too....but I don't think he is trying to help the Strawhats get stronger........he has other plans.....
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I think you're eading too much into it. The way I see it, Aokiji acknowledged the threat the Strawhats pose, and wants to get rid of them after he failed to do so the first time, getting tricked by Luffy into a situation where he couldn't attack the crew without forfeiting his honor.
Besides, it'd mean he thinks they have what it takes to fight and defeat a Buster Call all by themselves, which I find highly unlikely.
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I bet Aokiji gave Spandam (spit) the Golden Den-Den Mushi because he KNEW Spandam would be an idiot and accidentally press it, allowing the Straw Hats to fight stronger enemies. Plus I bet he wants to see what happens, and if Luffy will actually survive.
Holy Huge Speculation Batman!
But, hey! Ya never know!
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Everyone hates my theories.
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Everyone hates my theories.
What can I say? :happy:
If Aokiji knows that the admirals are strong, I don't think he would assume that the SH can survive a buster call. If he did think that Luffy was that strong, he would have killed him when he had the chance, that's what i think.
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Well, Aokiji was an orchester of the Water 7/Enies Lobby, but it seems that he pulled the string that caused chain reaction in the arc. Luffy even said that because of Aokiji, he wanted to be strong. Aokiji might not realize his meeting with them would change the SHP forever.
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**This is possible. And to those who say it isn't, what the hell do you know?
We don't know AoKiji's intentions. the Buster Call COULD be a test to see if they have what it takes. If they die, then they don't. But if they pass, then that means they can be used, for what ever purpose.
Aokiji doesn't strike me as the type of guy that would use he Buster Call to kill the SH beause he didn' last time. I get the feeling he is the type that would confront Luffy face-toface.
AoKiji and Dragon seem like they want to use the SH for a greater purpose. (OMG Dragon = AoKiji!!1!11!! )**
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The Buster Callā¦ the BUSTER CALL... just to help a bunch of pirates (including the wanted criminal Nico Robin) get stronger? :/ Aokiji's manipulated people for his own reasons before, at Ohara, but I kind of doubt he'd do something so huge. And he's a Marine, so he'd be indirectly causing the injury or death of many other Marines.
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i don't think he wanted to help the Strawhats to get stronger, but he obviousley has his own plans, why else would he give the authority over a buster call to a useless guy like Spandam?
If he wanted to help the Strawhats get stronger he could just have stayed at or near Enies Lobby and then start the BC himself.I think he knew that Ruffy and Co. would become really strong and would be able to defeat CP 9 and escape the Buster Call, that way, the Government will loose it's only groups of assassins and has to deal with the fact that the Buster Call is good for nothing (except mass-destruction).
AoKiji didn't like the way things happened at Ohara, and i don't think he liked the idea of someone like Spandam with the authority over a group of guys as strong as the CP9 (plus, if Spandam would be able to control one of the ancient weapons, he (Spandam) would be more dangerous to the world than anyone else)
anyway: @ ChopChopCannon
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@Octogon:
This is possible. And to those who say it isn't, what the hell do you know?
hmmā¦ actually nobody said so, wtf?, are you trying to push on imagined foes:ninja: :ninja: :ninja:
@Octogon:We don't know AoKiji's intentions. the Buster Call COULD be a test to see if they have what it takes. If they die, then they don't. But if they pass, then that means they can be used, for what ever purpose.
Oh yes, itĀ“s so obviously easy to use Luffy et al.
EinsteinĀ“s obviously right about the universe and human stupidity, perhaps he forgot arrogance ā¦
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hmmā¦ actually nobody said so, wtf?, are you trying to push on imagined foes:ninja: :ninja: :ninja:
I never said anybody said a thing in this thread.
Oh yes, itĀ“s so obviously easy to use Luffy et al.
**Who ever said it would be easy? It is completley possible someone will use the SH for some purpose. If you deny that, you're an idiot.
And Luffy is one of the easier people to use, if you play your cards rightā¦.
Also notice how I never once said I agree with ChopChop.**
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im really sure that ajokiji helped them cause who ** SPOILER** took merry up tell me that **
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I sitll cannot believe that Aokiji would expect the SH to survive for a BC. It has been said that nobody (Except Robin) has survived from it. I think that Aokiji would be scared if Luffy and his crew comes out alive with most of the captains and all of the cp9 down.
I think he gave the buster call to spandam because he knew he was stupid and might not be able to handle robin by himself
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Two things about Aokiji and Buster Call come to my mind.
1. Aokiji didn't seem the type who was overly concerned with the Strawhats. His dialogue had a line like, "Maybe I should just kill you all now," as a sort of spontaneous conclusion about a possible threat the pirates could one day represent. The only motivation I can figure out for him that fits the information we've been given is that he wanted to destroy Enies Lobby, but there's not much to back this up with, at the moment.
2. Spandam ended up doing an amazing thing when he accidentally pressed the button. Seriously, a rookie pirate group attacking the front door of the World Government, guarded by thousands of soldiers and the CP9ā¦ Which leader would have the guts to call for a Buster Call there? An all-out attack that wipes out the island completely, aimed at their own toes. Now that we look at the situation, it seems the Buster Call could even turn out to having been an inefficient countermeasure - but the early calling for it could easily be seen as visionary leadership and excellent strategical judgement from Spandam, as twisted as it sounds.
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Just so people know, the Mugiwara are NOT a big threat. They are a small threat with the potiental to become huge.
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I'd say the Strawhats are a big threat. No one's ever succeeded in penetrating Enies Lobby, yet they have. They defeated a Warlord of the sea. They have beaten one of the toped ranked organizations in the WG's arsenal. After this arc, they will have suceeded in either escaping the BC or defeating the BC. I say the Strawhats are a big threat, although others may disagree.
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if aokiji gave spandam the authority because he wanted enies lobby busted (for whatever reason) he would be more twisted than eneru or crocodile, and the navy must be quite stupid to make such a madman admiral.
imo that theory is bs ;)
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I think Ao Kiji is working with dragon and the two of them think that the SH's will make a good weapon.
Honestly, I think the WG is going to collapse, and Dragon, the remnants of the navy, and Doflamingo/whitebeard are all gonna grab a piece of the world, and BOOM! War. This collapse may conincide with the revelation of the true history.
But that's just my theory.
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While we are talking theories with absolutely no evidenceā¦
I think that Aokiji is Rockstar's dad.
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I donĀ“t know what motives Aokiji might have had to give Spandam the golden den den mushi but IĀ“m sure that there is more behind it then the obvious one which would be to just get rid of the Strawhats. The most obvious reason speaking for the "more behind it" argument is that Aokiji was there, 20 years ago at Ohara and that he knows that Robin didnĀ“t do anything wrong.
Furthermore he let her live to see what will become of her and adviced her to live in the shadows and that if she commits anything wrong he will be the first one to come after her. BUT all this doesnĀ“t count that much anymore because it was before Spandain noticed that Robin survived and got a bounty on her head that actually nullyfied everything Kuzan had in mind back then. IĀ“m not saying Aokiji is going against the WG or anything but IĀ“m sure that he has some other motivations. I conisered Robin question at Spandam "why would Aokiji give you the authority to summon a Buster Call" to be a very interesting one on that matter.
If Aokiji should really had his own plans I think we should find out soon shouldnĀ“t we? :D
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I donĀ“t know what motives Aokiji might have had to give Spandam the golden den den mushi but IĀ“m sure that there is more behind it then the obvious one which would be to just get rid of the Strawhats.
It would seem that the CP9 Chief has a natural special right to a Golden Den Den Mushi, but who actually gives up a Den Den Mushi to the Chief varies with time. We have no idea if the Grand Admirals existed twenty years ago; we know about the VA's but that's it, since Spandine got his Golden Den Den Mushi directly from Sengoku.
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Here's a theory.
Perhaps Aokiji gave Spandam the Golden Den-Den Mushi to show some of the corruption in the WG?
To me, Aokiji seems to be one of the Marines who sincerely believes in justice, along with Smoker, T-Bone, etc. So maybe he did it to show what power could do in the wrong hands? You know, give someone enough rope, and they hang themselves.
This could also tie into the Ancient Weapons. More reasons they shouldn't be revived. With people like Spandam in positions of power, the world would blow itself to bits.
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Personally, I think that Aokiji is just using the BC to weed out the corruption in the Gov't. He knew Spandine and he probably figured "Like father like son" and hoped that Spandam would invoke the BC and get himself killed.
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@Vixen_Dark:
Here's a theory.
Perhaps Aokiji gave Spandam the Golden Den-Den Mushi to show some of the corruption in the WG?
To me, Aokiji seems to be one of the Marines who sincerely believes in justice, along with Smoker, T-Bone, etc. So maybe he did it to show what power could do in the wrong hands? You know, give someone enough rope, and they hang themselves.
This could also tie into the Ancient Weapons. More reasons they shouldn't be revived. With people like Spandam in positions of power, the world would blow itself to bits.
Personally, I think that Aokiji is just using the BC to weed out the corruption in the Gov't. He knew Spandine and he probably figured "Like father like son" and hoped that Spandam would invoke the BC and get himself killed.
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Aokiji must be quite an asshole to sacrifice a few thousand marines just to prove something.
ā¦and it would definitely NOT show a good sense of justice to do something like that.
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Aokiji must be quite an asshole to sacrifice a few thousand marines just to prove something.
ā¦and it would definitely NOT show a good sense of justice to do something like that.
He didn't do it to sacrifice a few thousand marines. That wouldn't be his intention. Spandam was the one who would sacrifice the marines. Aokiji would not be willing to do something like that. Thus, he gave it to Spandam. Really, a perfect choice. He's a corrupt bastard, but weak and incompetent. The likely scenario in Aokiji's head was Spandam being stupid and failing miserably, while bringing attention to the problems in the government.
Also, these are all theories. And the marines do a good job of taking care of their own. Thus the evacuation ships.
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as a matter of fact, i am not clear on ao kiji intention and behaviour
ao kiji saved nico robin when she was still a child (freezing spandain when he attempted to chase nico robin)
and he did not kill luffy or the entire SH crew in that island (let's not talk about honor thing here, there's no one else in that island, nobody will know if he'd lose his honour by still going after the entire SH crew and killing them)what i'd like to point out is, since ao kiji was there at Ohara's buster call, he might overheard what the historian said about the true history and believe some parts of it
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@Vixen_Dark:
He didn't do it to sacrifice a few thousand marines. That wouldn't be his intention. Spandam was the one who would sacrifice the marines. Aokiji would not be willing to do something like that. Thus, he gave it to Spandam. Really, a perfect choice. He's a corrupt bastard, but weak and incompetent. The likely scenario in Aokiji's head was Spandam being stupid and failing miserably, while bringing attention to the problems in the government.
Also, these are all theories. And the marines do a good job of taking care of their own. Thus the evacuation ships.
I never said he would have done it to kill marines but he would have obviously accepted it. And assuming spandam would push the button and still giving it to him is just as pushing the button on enies lobby himself.
He could have arranged for the BC ships to gather the enies lobby marines and so would just have sacrificed the buildings which would be already sick but remember, the marines were only able to escape cause they accidently overheard spandam's tlak with robin and the BC ships startet the bombardment right away and would have killed many soldiers if they weren't already escaping towards the front gate.
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and he did not kill luffy or the entire SH crew in that island (let's not talk about honor thing here, there's no one else in that island, nobody will know if he'd lose his honour by still going after the entire SH crew and killing them)
If someone is truly honorable, then it wouldn't matter if people were watching him or not. If someone claims they have honor and then do somethig like that just 'cause someone isn't watching, their ass should be kicked, hard.
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I said it another topic about Aokiji, but I think he has his own agenda for the pirates. He obviously gave Spandam the Golden Den-Den for him to use arrogantly, I mean, Aokiji's one of the top 3 Admirals in the WG, and he didn't get that position out of sympathy. He let Robin get away 20 years ago, and let her go again 20 years later. Obviously he has plans for her and/or the SHs. What that is though, is anyones guess.
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I think MAYBE Aokiji set a possible Buster Call to expose the SHs but I dont think he intended for thousands of his marines to die. He's just not like that
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I think that Aokiji was trying to create a situation to test the strength of the bonds within the straw hat crew. A situation where Robin might have done what she has always done before : betray the group and let them to die.
He was just trying to prove the theory that anybody that pairs up with robin would perish.
Peace
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If aokiji is helping the SH, isnt he 'helping' nico robin to escape when she is a kid?
reason why i think he lets the SH go at long ring island is the same as why he let robin escape from Ohara.
He din smash luffy when he is forzen because they(the government) owes Luffy a favor because of croc.
so now Aokiji refrain from smashing luffy to bits, he gets to keep his honour, and he returns luffy that favor and they are equals now, he mentioned that didn't he?
plus surely he knows that spandam is the son of the cp whatever's director whom ordered to shoot Olivia, that is why he gave the golden snail to him, because spandam is in charge on cp9 and cp9 is the undercover group in water7ā¦and water 7 is where the SH is heading to since he last met them in long ring island...
this is just part of the story and MAYBE aokiji didn't expect the golden snail to be activated(or maybe he does) and cause enies lobby to be destroyed.
but i agree on the part that he is stalling for time and is waiting for the SH to grow stronger and when they are a potential threat, maybe he will take them down, or ask them to join sichibukai????????????
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hmmā¦another thought hit me when someone wondered whether Aokiji heard what Professor Clover said about the Void History. If he did, maybe the reason he keeps Robin alive, b/c he wants ONE archeologist to learn the true history, and he is testing her crew, so that he can ensure that she learns the true history, and they can spread the word once Luffy becomes the Pirate King.
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@Octogon:
If someone is truly honorable, then it wouldn't matter if people were watching him or not. If someone claims they have honor and then do somethig like that just 'cause someone isn't watching, their ass should be kicked, hard.
note that I don't really regard ao kiji being that honourable
afterall he initially said he was not going to do anything to the SH, but after that grandpa left, he changed his mind to kill the SH
where's the honour in that ?this is off topic anyway
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note that I don't really regard ao kiji being that honourable
afterall he initially said he was not going to do anything to the SH, but after that grandpa left, he changed his mind to kill the SH
where's the honour in that ?**AoKiji always struck me as an hournable induvidual.
Also it was never stated that he had any obligation to Lffy's G-Pa, just that he pwed him a favor. And we don't even know if not killing the SH even returned that favor.**
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I don't get what u r trying to say, ao kiji owed luffy's g-pa a favor ?
and what's the connection with the grandpa that they helped to cross the island ?
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I don't get what u r trying to say, ao kiji owed luffy's g-pa a favor ?
I never said that, but I believe he did.
and what's the connection with the grandpa that they helped to cross the island ?
**Oh, you mean him? I was wondering what you were talking about.
Bottom line is that AoKiji hasn't really done anything that can be considered unhonorale.**
anyway get back to the topic before the nazi mod close this thread too
Who micht this be? :wassat:
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Really, what does Robin know about the true history so far? Giant kingdom long ago, wiped out by the WG. She doesn't know the name, circumstances, etc. Clover (and probably Olivia and Robin's father) were the only people who knew pretty much everything. If Spandain's aim wasn't so shitty, he would've killed Clover when he shot him. But all he managed to do was wound him in the shoulder. He ended up dying trying in vain to protect the library from collapsing.
Kuzan probably wants Robin to live because he realized the same thing Saul did: That actually letting someone know the true the history (and a young girl at that) would allow normal citizens to make a judgement on what happened. The absolute justice carried by the WG is the Gorosei's own testimony; in other words, it's THEIR beliefs of right / wrong.
He gave Spandam authority over the Buster Call because he knew that the Strawhats may not be able to destroy the Buster Call (such a thing is ludicrous), and therefore no men would die. Instead, they would escape the Buster Call after defeating CP9, therefore gaining the full attention of the Military.
What I think is that Kuzan will convienently vanish during this time, and the Gorosei will send Kizeru or Akainu to find the Strawhats. This will give Kuzan time to prepare a road for the Strawhats (Particularly Robin) to pass Marijoi.
We know little (if anything) about the Grand Line past Marijoi. We know that Elbaf, Gyojin Island, and Raftel are beyond there. Nothing more. Seakings are probably more prevailant there, too.
Kuzan wants a person that has knowledge of the past to make a true judgement. The strawhats have the most potential out of anyone, so he's using them as a scapegoat.
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It's quite possible Aokiji didn't intend for Spandam to use the Golden denden mushi at all. Maybe he just wanted it to be used as a threat, since he knew about Robin's past, and the trauma the BC caused her. For one, I'm not sure that he even expected the SHs to chase Robin to Enies Lobby, let alone defeat CP9.
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I don't think Saul's decision to help robin had anything to do with the true history, I just think he didn't want a little girl to be brutally murdered by cannons.
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note that I don't really regard ao kiji being that honourable
afterall he initially said he was not going to do anything to the SH, but after that grandpa left, he changed his mind to kill the SH
where's the honour in that ?this is off topic anyway
This has fuck all to do with being honorable or not. He observed them first and concluded they could pose a serious threat in the future, how does it make him any less honorable? Also notice he never actually attacked them, he just verbally provoked them but only by saying the truth about Nico Robin, and that's the Strawhats who assaulted him, they're the one responsible for the ass kicking they received.
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Actually, the thought I had about Aokiji wanting to destroy Enies Lobby with Buster Call turned out to not hold water. Reading back on the scene at Water 7 where CP9 is revealed and Nico Robin has a chat with Icebergā¦ She says (Null trans), "The CP9 have permission to put the 'Buster Call' in motion against the Strawhats, but only just this once." And as we found out later, this one Buster Call was supplied by Aokiji.
Back at Long Island Aokiji got fooled into a mano-a-mano fight, but didn't finish Luffy off because of his sentimentalism. This didn't take away his worry of the Strawhat crew possibly starting to cause trouble in the (near) future, so immediately after this encounter he gave Spandam the Buster Call Dendenmushi - to be used in case the Strawhats ever start to cause problems.
It's not impossible for Aokiji to think Luffy would even attack Enies Lobby head on. He seemed to put a lot of weight for the initial "D." in Luffy's name... Saying that being rash and headstrong was something that ran in the family. The possibility of the Strawhats surviving through a Buster Call wasn't part of his equation. I don't think there was anything more complicated that should be read into this.
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maybe Aokiji miscalculated abut Spandam and the CP9?ā¦.. because if he thought that the CP9 would only get beaten by the mugiwaras, but would be too weak to stand against the Buster Call, but in fact, the mugiwaras are surviving it...... he might be regreting for not forgoing his pride and honor, and just take out the Mugiwaras, when he had the chance....
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I think Aokiji is destorying the WG through the use of the SH.
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I think he did it to help the SH bonds with Robin get stronger . She betrays all the groups she has been with, so this is to show her if the SH realy want her aroundā¦. and they do .
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What can I say? :happy:
If Aokiji knows that the admirals are strong, I don't think he would assume that the SH can survive a buster call. If he did think that Luffy was that strong, he would have killed him when he had the chance, that's what i think.
It's true.
Oh, and- OCTAGON STICKING UP FOR ONE OF MY THEORIES?!! OMG!