@Nectar:
What insight? You're speculating Shuhan was witholding some Mafia Breaking information until the end. I didn't trust Shuhan, one of the most inactive players, to come back and I saw no reason to keep the Day going.
I'm not. What Mafia breaking information would he have had? He was a Miller and an inactive player. All the same, I don't see the need to keep pushing you about this after reading your responses and at least understanding where you're coming from.
@SpaceCowboy:
@Faith: How do you see SUDK's position regarding Nectar?
I'll be real, I spent much of the beginning part of Day 3 extremely suspicious of him (Nectar). As I said before, I had a whole long post written up to go with my one from two nights ago, which would accuse and vote for Nectar, and only didn't post it because I was quite frankly exhausted when I wrote it and wanted to make sure it still held water before I put it up. Then I woke up yesterday and saw that SUDK had voted for Nectar while I was sleeping, and was like, "Okay, so it's not just me who feels this way." I, too, felt pretty uncomfortable with how he was asking a jailer to come forward and out themselves and also out who they jailed when there are several other ways a kill might have been prevented last Night besides a Jailer jailing the Mafia. And I felt suspicious that he was so insistent that there is a Jailer. On top of that, I was also feeling suspicious of the fact that he claimed he was probably roleblocked N2, and was wondering if he was Mafia himself, knows there's a Mafia Roleblocker or something (and I'm heavily inclined, for now at least, to believe that there is indeed one) and trying to throw us off into thinking that he's a Power Townie when he's actually Mafia, especially since that would mean that either Space roleblocked him, somebody lied about not visiting him (which, admittedly, is fairly likely that they would, since someone also (probably) lied about not visiting Femme, but also carries a risk), or he was making it up, which is what–before--I was feeling inclined to believe.
However, reading his and others' posts since then have made me begin to doubt that, because I realized that most of my biggest suspicions can be explained away by mechanics that sound like they work differently than I realized/expected.
Suspicion #1: The thing about the Jailer. I'd forgotten that, in some versions of Mafia, the Jailer gets their own private room with their target for that Night and they talk to each other. The only time I've played a Mafia game with a Jailer here on AP, that was not the case, they just basically served as a roleblocker + protector without the target being given any indication that they were Jailed. So I was thinking that if Nectar knows there's a Jailer in the game and not just some kind of Roleblocker, he knew that based on extra information that he had as a Mafia. But if he was Jailed on N1 by a Jailer that has a private room with their targets, then yeah, you wouldn't need to be a Mafia to know that you've been jailed, haha.
One thing I'm still leery on about this, and the idea of the Jailer revealing their target, is that a Jailer jailing a Mafia may not have been enough to prevent a killing anyway, right? If we're still going by the idea that there are 2 Mafia (which I think is the most likely as of now), the two of them would have had to mutually decide on who the victim is and pick which one of them was going to kill him/her, submit that as their final response, and then the Jailer would have to submit the name of the killing Mafia after that to keep them from being able to go through with their planned kill, right? Because otherwise, if one Mafia never shows up/stops showing up to their Night-time Mafia thread because he's jailed and in a separate room with the Jailer, the remaining Mafia could just commit the kill himself and it still would have gone through unless there's another Power Townie like a Doctor who happened to save the intended victim (which could, in fact, be the case regardless of who was jailed). So that specific scenario needing to be what happened in order for the Jailer to have prevented a Mafia kill by jailing the Mafia seems even more unlikely, and I can even more understand the Jailer not wanting to reveal who their target was, and letting the person they jailed choosing whether or not to come forward with it. Or am I still misunderstanding how the Jailing power works?
Suspicion #2: The idea that Nectar was lying about being roleblocked. Of course, it's a perfectly valid assumption that, if Nectar's not Mafia and there is a Mafia Roleblocker of some kind (which, again, right now I believe there probably is), the Roleblocker is lying about not visiting Nectar, since he was only named by one other player (Space). However, I'd been thinking that that could also be risky for them to lie when there's the possibility for them to caught in the act, and Nectar himself could be the Roleblocker (or partnered with him) claiming he was roleblocked to throw us off. But I realized another possibility: the person who's Jailed can't be targeted by anyone, right? (Except unblockable Serial Killer Femme, who's dead anyway.) So if Nectar is a Power Townie who happened to target the person who was jailed last Night, could that be another way he'd get the "no result" response? (I'm genuinely asking/proposing this as a solution, as I sincerely don't know and am wondering if you guys might if you've played past games with this kind of role.)
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Also, since the Day's been extended and we don't have a mere less-than-an-hour timeframe to achieve a lynch, I'm going to:
Vote Lynch: No swords style best style
Not because of anything specifically that you've said that's suspicious–things that probably would have looked suspicious if it was someone else saying them, I can possibly cut you some slack for because you're new--but just because you've posted once in the almost-48-hour period of this Day so far. We lynched Shuhan for inactivity when he posted more than that. I can understand it if you're busy, but I definitely want to hear what you think about all these accusations and lynch votes flying around. Do you think Space's votes against Wooden and Gal, and SUDK's and Gal's votes and Space's and my further complaints, about Nectar are valid? Do you see flaws with them that haven't been pointed out? Do you think those that have been accused have defended themselves adequately?