I still don't get how one reads the latest chapter and comes out thinking that Chopper is the main one we should be focusing on here.
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More than anything it screams "defining moment of development inspiration for Chopper".
That doesn't mesh with Chopper fighting style at all. In addition to electro, the Minks are lightning fast. Chopper's more of a Hulk type of character in Heavy Point and Monster Point.
If I see Chopper acquiring new abilities, it'd be something similar to Life Return. If Kumadori was from Wano then Life Return might be re-introduced.
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That doesn't mesh with Chopper fighting style at all. In addition to electro, the Minks are lightning fast. Chopper's more of a Hulk type of character in Heavy Point and Monster Point.
If I see Chopper acquiring new abilities, it'd be something similar to Life Return. If Kumadori was from Wano then Life Return might be re-introduced.
Chopper did/does have a jump point, so there's room for him to learn agility based attacks.
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I still don't get how one reads the latest chapter and comes out thinking that Chopper is the main one we should be focusing on here.
Because Chopper was about to use a rumble ball and do exactly what Carrot did. And then, during her scene, Oda cut back to Chopper's reaction five times (and seven panels) in the course of six pages.
Oda could have just focused on Carrot that entire sequence and then cut back to the strawhats all watching at the end, but instead he repeatedly cut back to Chopper. He already had badguy reactions mixed in there so it wasn't just to have someone stare, it was cutting back to Chopper specifically.Not a different strawhat each time, but consistently Chopper.
He's the only one fully taking in the scene, the only one shown on her transformation page, and the one who has been interacting with her most during the arc. That sequence was for Chopper alone to take in and think about.
He's also been in the story for 17 years without any major upgrades outside of monster form, even after he got different modes post-timeskip, since those were mostly just remixes of his old forms. He's due to learn something legitimately new for the first time since Enies Lobby. Luffy, Zoro and Usopp all got new trick in Dresserossa, now it's his turn.
And coming off an arc with an entire island of people like him? And having still not gotten his "the fifth person" chapter title after all these years?
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And having still not gotten his "the fifth person" chapter title after all these years?
What's your stance at this? Do you think everyone will definitely get his or her numbered chapter somewhen?
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Because Chopper was about to use a rumble ball and do exactly what Carrot did. And then, during her scene, Oda cut back to Chopper's reaction five times (and seven panels) in the course of six pages.
Oda could have just focused on Carrot that entire sequence and then cut back to the strawhats all watching at the end, but instead he repeatedly cut back to Chopper. He already had badguy reactions mixed in there so it wasn't just to have someone stare, it was cutting back to Chopper specifically.Not a different strawhat each time, but consistently Chopper.
He's the only one fully taking in the scene, the only one shown on her transformation page, and the one who has been interacting with her most during the arc. That sequence was for Chopper alone to take in and think about.
He's also been in the story for 17 years without any major upgrades outside of monster form, even after he got different modes post-timeskip, since those were mostly just remixes of his old forms. He's due to learn something legitimately new for the first time since Enies Lobby. Luffy, Zoro and Usopp all got new trick in Dresserossa, now it's his turn.
And coming off an arc with an entire island of people like him? And having still not gotten his "the fifth person" chapter title after all these years?
Well, not exactly the same thing. Chopper's approach would have made things a lot messier since he needed the ship to get closer. Then Carrot revealed that she had a much more efficient solution to their current dilemma.
Anyways, I'm obviously all for Chopper learning something new. But this chapter didn't give me the impression at all that seeds have been planted. I mean, it's not impossible for Chopper to learn something from the Minks (Though I don't think it will happen, specifically regarding Electro/Sulong anyways), it's just that this chapter didn't make me think "Okay, now it begins." All I saw was the Straw Hat Carrot has interacted the most with reacting the most to Carrot's feats this chapter, because, well, of course he would. He knew her the longest, so yea, he'd be the most shocked.
But yea, that's how I took it, certainly didn't think of it as a highlight or anything. Interesting that people felt differently.
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Well, not exactly the same thing. Chopper's approach would have made things a lot messier since he needed the ship to get closer. Then Carrot revealed that she had a much more efficient solution to their current dilemma.
Anyways, I'm obviously all for Chopper learning something new. But this chapter didn't give me the impression at all that seeds have been planted. I mean, it's not impossible for Chopper to learn something from the Minks (Though I don't think it will happen, specifically regarding Electro/Sulong anyways), it's just that this chapter didn't make me think "Okay, now it begins." All I saw was the Straw Hat Carrot has interacted the most with reacting the most to Carrot's feats this chapter, because, well, of course he would. He knew her the longest, so yea, he'd be the most shocked.
But yea, that's how I took it, certainly didn't think of it as a highlight or anything. Interesting that people felt differently.
Have you considered that maybe you're not good at analyzing storytelling. Cuz it seems like most people were able to see that Chopper is clearly being set up for a power up. I just hope it isn't one that involves him going full Goku. I don't want to see any Straw Hat doing that.
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Have you considered that maybe you're not good at analyzing storytelling. Cuz it seems like most people were able to see that Chopper is clearly being set up for a power up. I just hope it isn't one that involves him going full Goku. I don't want to see any Straw Hat doing that.
Have you considered that maybe you're being condescending? Really don't see how that post merited a jab. I can agree with Chopper getting a power up, while also disagreeing with the apparent consensus as to what that will be.
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Have you considered that maybe you're being condescending? Really don't see how that post merited a jab. I can agree with Chopper getting a power up, while also disagreeing with the apparent consensus as to what that will be.
Don't worry you're not the only one who didn't see this chapter being some huge Chopper-centric development. All I saw was a surprised look at his travel buddy in this arc, seemed appropriate that he sees this development of all people I mean he's been her pal all this time. Yes he might learn something from it but it certainly won't be Ceylon
This chapter was through and through a Carrot moment. Won't let anyone tell me I'm less of a fan than anyone else because I fail to see something they've seen. Pffft, heck my choice of new strawhat is Pudding but I won't dismiss Carrot's chances just because "I don't like her".
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What's your stance at this? Do you think everyone will definitely get his or her numbered chapter somewhen?
Only Robin, Chopper and Jinbe are missing their numbers. Considering that Nami and Usopp didn't get theirs until later (in Usopp's case, MUCH later) it's a fair assumption that Robin's and Chopper's are coming.
Jinbe will most likely get his at the end of this arc when he formally joins. Since he's already apologized to Nami for Arlong and broke things off with his crew and Big Mom, I don't think he has any additional baggage left (Robin still needs to apologize to Vivi).
This whole were-mink thing seems like a fitting conclusion to Chopper's "monster" character arc.
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I think Robin's more likely to get her chapter when the time comes for her to read the rio poneglyph, or pinpoint Raftel. I don't expect an apology to Vivi, but if that ever happened I doubt it would be a big enough deal to make it her number chapter.
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Only Robin, Chopper and Jinbe are missing their numbers. Considering that Nami and Usopp didn't get theirs until later (in Usopp's case, MUCH later) it's a fair assumption that Robin's and Chopper's are coming.
Jinbe will most likely get his at the end of this arc when he formally joins. Since he's already apologized to Nami for Arlong and broke things off with his crew and Big Mom, I don't think he has any additional baggage left (Robin still needs to apologize to Vivi).
This whole were-mink thing seems like a fitting conclusion to Chopper's "monster" character arc.
Finally someone else! After Enies Lobby it seemed that everything was out in the open and the air was clear. If Usopp got his chapter why wouldn't she? I've been saying for years now that it must be because of Vivi. Robin undoubtedly knows how important Vivi is to the crew and of course Robin didn't care a bit when she initially stowed away but now things are much different. There has got to be a speck of guilt inside her that makes her feel less… less something than the others. I don't know the word but I think I've made my point. Being able to have a one on one with Vivi would take care of such negative feelings.
If we were to judge Nami's delayed 2nd person chapter and Usopp's delayed 3rd person chapter the commonality between them was that by that point they were fully devoted to Luffy. It had nothing to do with any amazing feat that they pulled off. I think when people bring up Robin getting her 7th Person chapter due to an amazing Poneglyph deciphering feat they confuse it with Chapter: 485 "Straw Hat Pirates-- Pirate Hunter Zoro". I imagine everyone will get such a defining moment at some point but that its a completely separate thing from the Xth Person chapters. When Robin pinpoints Raftel thats when we get Chapter: 1726 "Straw Hat Pirates--Devil Child Nico Robin".
Though if what I've said above is correct, what on earth would be keeping Chopper from feeling like he's totally committed to Luffy? If committed isn't the right word maybe worthy(?) of being a Straw Hat.
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what on earth would be keeping Chopper from feeling like he's totally committed to Luffy? If committed isn't the right word maybe worthy(?) of being a Straw Hat.
That's why the number chapter theory sucks balls. Never or not gonna happen the way you people think it would. It's bull… and forgotten by Oda, in my book.
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Finally someone else! After Enies Lobby it seemed that everything was out in the open and the air was clear. If Usopp got his chapter why wouldn't she? I've been saying for years now that it must be because of Vivi. Robin undoubtedly knows how important Vivi is to the crew and of course Robin didn't care a bit when she initially stowed away but now things are much different. There has got to be a speck of guilt inside her that makes her feel less… less something than the others. I don't know the word but I think I've made my point. Being able to have a one on one with Vivi would take care of such negative feelings.
If we were to judge Nami's delayed 2nd person chapter and Usopp's delayed 3rd person chapter the commonality between them was that by that point they were fully devoted to Luffy. It had nothing to do with any amazing feat that they pulled off. I think when people bring up Robin getting her 7th Person chapter due to an amazing Poneglyph deciphering feat they confuse it with Chapter: 485 "Straw Hat Pirates-- Pirate Hunter Zoro". I imagine everyone will get such a defining moment at some point but that its a completely separate thing from the Xth Person chapters. When Robin pinpoints Raftel thats when we get Chapter: 1726 "Straw Hat Pirates--Devil Child Nico Robin".
Though if what I've said above is correct, what on earth would be keeping Chopper from feeling like he's totally committed to Luffy? If committed isn't the right word maybe worthy(?) of being a Straw Hat.
is that even a pattern though? "Straw Hat Pirate - Blah Blah Character Name"? I don't think Robin has shown any real regret or guilt over the Alabasta thing to speculate over an apology like this, and Vivi is very placid about Robin being in the crew too.
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but I won't dismiss Carrot's chances just because "I don't like her".
No one is saying "Carrot isn't joining because I don't like her."
We're saying "Oda hasn't treated her the same way he does other main characters."
There's a difference. Carrot is fine. Just not one of 11 lead characters.
In terms of prominence, design, screentime, overall story role, she's absolutely filling the exact same qualifications of an ally, like the whole mess of them we had back in Dresserossa. Or the Galley La workers. Or Capone's group. Or Jonny and Yosaku. Or Law. Or Mr. 2.
The things being argued for her at this point are almost entirely bar lowered points that ignore the actual story structure because people are theory crafting purely BECAUSE "I like her" which is the same thing as every other female character we've seen. "I like the character" can't be the basis for predicting the story. I'm willing to listen to arguments for Kinemon and I don't like him at all. I thought Bart had something of a chance if his fanboying hadn't been so extreme but I didn't really care for him. I didn't care for Jimbei initially but the story arguments for him were super compelling so I started supporting him very early on.
Carrot is fine, and if we didn't have Chopper she'd have a shot, but she'd still be lacking and the weakpoints would still be weakpoints But we've had Chopper for 17 years and once you account for that, no, she's not joining. Anymore than Perona, Caimie, Margareitte, Hancock, Shirahoshi, Monet, Rebecca, or Viola did. ANd those characters all had super passionate arguments for them too based on "I like them!" and making up qualities they didn't have to try and make them fit, while ignoring all the actual story stuff going against them.
"She wants to see the world" "She's a strong warrior" "She's got no real obligations back home" "She has a unique weapon!" "Her haircut is different so she stands out a from Nami!" "She was the first person on the island Luffy got along with and he did a lot for her!" all applied to Margueritte just as strongly as Carrot. She even "has haki which she can teach the others!" ANd then in the end? She joined her existing crew and got to be a powerhouse ally instead. ANd also Hancock showed up and people started making those same, even more nonsensical argument, for her instead. SHe was a temporary ally, among many. And a decent character, nothing wrong with her. But not a lead.
We'll know the last person when we see them.
Though if what I've said above is correct, what on earth would be keeping Chopper from feeling like he's totally committed to Luffy? If committed isn't the right word maybe worthy(?) of being a Straw Hat.
I've always assumed he didn't get one at the time to avoid spoiling Vivi.
But a chance to stay with an island full of people just like him that he's a hero of and has a girl he likes on it? That seems like a decent time to make a proper declaration and decision. When he first joined Luffy he had zero context of the outside world, there wasn't really a choice involved, he basically joined the first pirate he met. Now though? I always assumed he'd interact with a valley of animals at some point. I hadn't counted on Minks perse but I always figured he'd be given a real haven that he might truly belong in, and then have to decide.
That's why the number chapter theory sucks balls. Never or not gonna happen the way you people think it would. It's bull… and forgotten by Oda, in my book.
It's a mix. One part Oda forgot, one part he's gonna do something eventually. If Usopp hadn't gotten his number chapter nearly a decade after joining it wouldn't be a thing and yet….
that he DID get it, along with Franky, while simultaneously STILL skipping Robin, even after all the Enies Lobby stuff? Oda made a supremely conscious decision at that point to only count 2 of the 3 people joining. (Which led to a year of people speculating in 7 was Robin or Franky, up until Brook was officially 8.)
Even if Oda makes a mistake or just forgets, he's shown he's willing to go back and make it work later.
For Robin I always assumed it'd be something tied to the revolutionaries, but then she went and stayed with them during the timeskip so I dunno anymore.
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Finally someone else! After Enies Lobby it seemed that everything was out in the open and the air was clear. If Usopp got his chapter why wouldn't she? I've been saying for years now that it must be because of Vivi. Robin undoubtedly knows how important Vivi is to the crew and of course Robin didn't care a bit when she initially stowed away but now things are much different. There has got to be a speck of guilt inside her that makes her feel less… less something than the others. I don't know the word but I think I've made my point. Being able to have a one on one with Vivi would take care of such negative feelings.
If we were to judge Nami's delayed 2nd person chapter and Usopp's delayed 3rd person chapter the commonality between them was that by that point they were fully devoted to Luffy. It had nothing to do with any amazing feat that they pulled off. I think when people bring up Robin getting her 7th Person chapter due to an amazing Poneglyph deciphering feat they confuse it with Chapter: 485 "Straw Hat Pirates-- Pirate Hunter Zoro". I imagine everyone will get such a defining moment at some point but that its a completely separate thing from the Xth Person chapters. When Robin pinpoints Raftel thats when we get Chapter: 1726 "Straw Hat Pirates--Devil Child Nico Robin".
Though if what I've said above is correct, what on earth would be keeping Chopper from feeling like he's totally committed to Luffy? If committed isn't the right word maybe worthy(?) of being a Straw Hat.
Didn't Robin already kind of make up for that by helping Luffy beat Crocodile? Or at least turning on him in the end? If she hadn't then Luffy probably wouldn't have had any reason to let her join, but that redemptive action she took (even if Vivi didn't witness it or hear about it) ought to have merited some forgiveness. After all, the one horrible thing they THOUGHT she did, killing Igaram, didn't actually happen. And even if she wasn't personally involved, Baroque Works still would have done everything they did without her help. So I don't get this weird hangup thing they're supposed to still have.
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Finally someone else! After Enies Lobby it seemed that everything was out in the open and the air was clear. If Usopp got his chapter why wouldn't she? I've been saying for years now that it must be because of Vivi. Robin undoubtedly knows how important Vivi is to the crew and of course Robin didn't care a bit when she initially stowed away but now things are much different. There has got to be a speck of guilt inside her that makes her feel less… less something than the others. I don't know the word but I think I've made my point. Being able to have a one on one with Vivi would take care of such negative feelings.
If we were to judge Nami's delayed 2nd person chapter and Usopp's delayed 3rd person chapter the commonality between them was that by that point they were fully devoted to Luffy. It had nothing to do with any amazing feat that they pulled off. I think when people bring up Robin getting her 7th Person chapter due to an amazing Poneglyph deciphering feat they confuse it with Chapter: 485 "Straw Hat Pirates-- Pirate Hunter Zoro". I imagine everyone will get such a defining moment at some point but that its a completely separate thing from the Xth Person chapters. When Robin pinpoints Raftel thats when we get Chapter: 1726 "Straw Hat Pirates--Devil Child Nico Robin".
Though if what I've said above is correct, what on earth would be keeping Chopper from feeling like he's totally committed to Luffy? If committed isn't the right word maybe worthy(?) of being a Straw Hat.
Its just such a meeting considering robin is at wano and the reverie is happening now would take sucha long time that it'd be nearly end game where it would make sense for them to meet up
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Robin has never once expressed any guilt about what happened at Alabasta nor would it have ever come up in a crew like theirs. As far as I know there really are no hints about Robin wanting to set things straight with Vivi. She is extremely quiet about everything 99% of the time as it is. My theory just comes from the fact that Oda did remember to give Usopp his 3rd Person chapter 100 years later and probably hasn't forgotten Robin either.
Maybe Robin won't get to see Vivi anytime soon but I don't think that's much of an issue if she indeed gets her 7th person Chapter 35 years late. I hope to high heaven the crew goes to the Reverie because I want them to meet Vivi so badly. Just let Kuma repel teleport them there and back and I'd be satisfied.
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Honestly, Igaram is alive, Pell is alive, Robin was the one to save Luffy two times and she refused to help Croco-boy in the end. Coupling it with her showing no remorse for BW incident or actually anything in the past and Vivi having no qualms against Robin being a crew member and I'm sure apologizing to Vivi would be really empty and forced moment (no offense to anyone wishing for it). By the way, I'd like to see if she was really an assassin once or was she just teasing Usopp, could be a nice plot for a movie or special if the past came back to bite her.
On the topic of numbered chapters, I put some weight on them prior to that arc, as Oda seemed to be careful to have everyone having some doubting the crew or leaving (Nami in AP, Chopper in DBF, Robin and Usopp in W7) to not have the chapter. But as that pattern was broken with Sanji in WCI, I'm not so sure there's anything for Chopper and Robin in store. I'm not counting it out, but I wouldn't bet on it. As a side note, I once believed Chopper might get his in Wano as Kaidou would surely want his rumble balls tried on smiles, but having it right after Sanji rescue arc would be overdoing it. Him wanting to stay on Zou would be the exact kind of cliché Oda'd use, but I think the impact of it would be lessened due to him already declaring he's happy to be a monster as long as it means helping Luffy prior to the time skip, his insecurities are already gone.
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No one is saying "Carrot isn't joining because I don't like her."
We're saying "Oda hasn't treated her the same way he does other main characters."
There's a difference. Carrot is fine. Just not one of 11 lead characters.
In terms of prominence, design, screentime, overall story role, she's absolutely filling the exact same qualifications of an ally, like the whole mess of them we had back in Dresserossa. Or the Galley La workers. Or Capone's group. Or Jonny and Yosaku. Or Law. Or Mr. 2.
The things being argued for her at this point are almost entirely bar lowered points that ignore the actual story structure because people are theory crafting purely BECAUSE "I like her" which is the same thing as every other female character we've seen. "I like the character" can't be the basis for predicting the story. I'm willing to listen to arguments for Kinemon and I don't like him at all. I thought Bart had something of a chance if his fanboying hadn't been so extreme but I didn't really care for him. I didn't care for Jimbei initially but the story arguments for him were super compelling so I started supporting him very early on.
Carrot is fine, and if we didn't have Chopper she'd have a shot, but she'd still be lacking and the weakpoints would still be weakpoints But we've had Chopper for 17 years and once you account for that, no, she's not joining. Anymore than Perona, Caimie, Margareitte, Hancock, Shirahoshi, Monet, Rebecca, or Viola did. ANd those characters all had super passionate arguments for them too based on "I like them!" and making up qualities they didn't have to try and make them fit, while ignoring all the actual story stuff going against them.
"She wants to see the world" "She's a strong warrior" "She's got no real obligations back home" "She has a unique weapon!" "Her haircut is different so she stands out a from Nami!" "She was the first person on the island Luffy got along with and he did a lot for her!" all applied to Margueritte just as strongly as Carrot. She even "has haki which she can teach the others!" ANd then in the end? She joined her existing crew and got to be a powerhouse ally instead. ANd also Hancock showed up and people started making those same, even more nonsensical argument, for her instead. SHe was a temporary ally, among many. And a decent character, nothing wrong with her. But not a lead.
We'll know the last person when we see them.
I've always assumed he didn't get one at the time to avoid spoiling Vivi.
But a chance to stay with an island full of people just like him that he's a hero of and has a girl he likes on it? That seems like a decent time to make a proper declaration and decision. When he first joined Luffy he had zero context of the outside world, there wasn't really a choice involved, he basically joined the first pirate he met. Now though? I always assumed he'd interact with a valley of animals at some point. I hadn't counted on Minks perse but I always figured he'd be given a real haven that he might truly belong in, and then have to decide.
It's a mix. One part Oda forgot, one part he's gonna do something eventually. If Usopp hadn't gotten his number chapter nearly a decade after joining it wouldn't be a thing and yet….
that he DID get it, along with Franky, while simultaneously STILL skipping Robin, even after all the Enies Lobby stuff? Oda made a supremely conscious decision at that point to only count 2 of the 3 people joining. (Which led to a year of people speculating in 7 was Robin or Franky, up until Brook was officially 8.)
Even if Oda makes a mistake or just forgets, he's shown he's willing to go back and make it work later.
For Robin I always assumed it'd be something tied to the revolutionaries, but then she went and stayed with them during the timeskip so I dunno anymore.
See you're trying to find similarities in the way other crewmembers have joined in the past but as of Jinbei this trend you're trying to look for has been blown out of the water. Jinbei of the sun pirates, who is basically the most experienced pirate aboard the ship (not talking about age) will be followed by Carrot of the Nox Pirates (I called her that because she's taking over Pedro's will, I know she isn't officially a member)/(night pirates, has affiliation with the moon), will be the least experienced in the crew when she joins (in terms of piracy) and this whole sun and moon day and night theme can be seen from miles away, wrap that around the fact the word new dawn has been thrown around a few times and the fact that Oda said the next crewmates will join back to back and the fact that Carrot will occupy the white color in the crew and if Pedro really is dead then yeah her chances aren't zero as you might want it to be. I'm on my phone so I can't do the whole picking things up from manga panels to demonstrate why I think she will join but I'm not exactly saying it "will" happen whereas you're suggesting it "absolutely won't" happen. You must know something that only you know to be that dead certain. Unlike some I don't think there will be only be one more member to join after Jinbei, I think there will be 3 more. Each new sea has given us 4 members so if we want to talk about patterns then let's be consistent. The recruitment pattern for each new sea has been guy, girl, guy, guy. So we have our guy in the new world the next member WILL be a girl followed by two more guys. I wish I could make my response more compelling but I don't feel the need because your mind's already made up.
I think I read too many theories but I read one where it said Monet's df (if dead) might have re-spawned on Nami's orange tree and that Carrot might eat it in the future and gain logia powers. Snow rabbit in Wano where I think it snows a lot hmm…
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Though if what I've said above is correct, what on earth would be keeping Chopper from feeling like he's totally committed to Luffy? If committed isn't the right word maybe worthy(?) of being a Straw Hat.
Maybe he ate Luffy dessert one day and its been eating him up on the inside and he can't fully commit till he tells the truth.
Or some mating season coming of age bs thing.
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See you're trying to find similarities in the way other crewmembers have joined in the past but as of Jinbei this trend you're trying to look for has been blown out of the water. Jinbei of the sun pirates, who is basically the most experienced pirate aboard the ship (not talking about age) will be followed by Carrot of the Nox Pirates (night pirates, has affiliation with the moon), will be the least experienced in the crew when she joins (in terms of piracy) and this whole sun and moon day and night theme can be seen from miles away, wrap that around the fact the word new dawn has been thrown around a few times and the fact that Oda said the next crewmates will join back to back and the fact that Carrot will occupy the white color in the crew and if Pedro really is dead then yeah her chances aren't zero as you might want it to be.
That assessment might hold some weight if the Minks and Fishmen had any history together. Or if the Sun Pirates themselves were actually important in this arc's plot aside from a few very short cameos. Or if Carrot was a part of the Nox Pirates. Or if Carrot (along with us as the audience) even knew what exactly Pedro's dream about the "dawn" even is. And if Jinbe's whole thing this arc hasn't been "go have fun, you've done enough for our civilization's civil rights movement and protection", which actually distances him from being a Sun Pirate. Or if Pedro was going to stay dead.
So the Sun Pirates and Nox Pirates fitting into a relevant sun and moon theme where two members each join from a respective faction doesn't hold much water.
I'm on my phone so I can't do the whole picking things up from manga panels to demonstrate why I think she will join but I'm not exactly saying it "will" happen whereas you're suggesting it "absolutely won't" happen. You must know something that only you know to be that dead certain. Unlike some I don't think there will be only be one more member to join after Jinbei, I think there will 3 more. Each new sea has given us 4 members so if we want to talk about patterns then let's be consistent. The recruitment pattern for each new sea has been guy, girl, guy, guy. So we have our guy in the new world the next member WILL be a girl followed by two more guys. I wish I could make my response more compelling but I don't feel the need because your mind's already made up.
I've heard that theory before. It's a simple one. It's technically possible. Emphasis on technically. But it doesn't make much sense when you logistically look at the logistics of One Piece's timeline as a series. We have around a decade left of this series and we already have two Road Poneglyph scripts. Arcs at this point usually take at least a full year to do, Wano Country looks like it will at least be two years, and then there is the Final War probably being three years or so.
People are already doubting a new crewmate will join after Jinbe because it will be too late at this point in the series, and yet somehow adding three other people on top of that is supposed to make it better. There's also a bunch of details like the Blackbeard Pirates having Commodore Teach and ten captains under him, Luffy wanting ten men for his crew at the end of chapter one, Oda being a huge fan of soccer the Straw Hat crew concept art sketches having a couple conspicuously empty spots and erase marks, etc.
But the biggest thing to take into note is the cast size. Jinbe makes the Straw Hats add up to 10. Three more members makes that add up to 13. At that point, we have to ask ourselves one question. Can Oda handle having a main cast that large? He is already having trouble giving the Straw Hats enough focus in both Dressrosa and Totland while there is only half the crew present. He keeps shoving in supporting characters on top of supporting characters to make his arcs huge. And he has to deal with giving updates and payoffs on so many simultaneously running plotlines at this point in the series. I personally think that having thirteen Straw Hats is the most ridiculous decision Oda could ever realistically make for the series and is something he would most likely want to avoid.
I think I read too many theories but I read one where it said Monet's df (if dead) might have responded on Nami's orange tree and that Carrot might eat it in the future and gain logia powers. Snow rabbit in Wano where I think it snows a lot hmm…
Why didn't they notice there was a Devil Fruit there after Dressrosa? How exactly would snow powers fit alongside lightning abilities and full moon transformations? Those are the issues here. It's too late for something like that to happen without looking extremely contrived and cumbersome for a character like Carrot.
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That assessment might hold some weight if the Minks and Fishmen had any history together. Or if the Sun Pirates themselves were actually important in this arc's plot aside from a few very short cameos. Or if Carrot was a part of the Nox Pirates. Or if Carrot (along with us as the audience) even knew what exactly Pedro's dream about the "dawn" even is. And if Jinbe's whole thing this arc hasn't been "go have fun, you've done enough for our civilization's civil rights movement and protection", which actually distances him from being a Sun Pirate. Or if Pedro was going to stay dead.
So the Sun Pirates and Nox Pirates fitting into a relevant sun and moon theme where two members each join from a respective faction doesn't hold much water.
I've heard that theory before. It's a simple one. It's technically possible. Emphasis on technically. But it doesn't make much sense when you logistically look at the logistics of One Piece's timeline as a series. We have around a decade left of this series and we already have two Road Poneglyph scripts. Arcs at this point usually take at least a full year to do, Wano Country looks like it will at least be two years, and then there is the Final War probably being three years or so.
People are already doubting a new crewmate will join after Jinbe because it will be too late at this point in the series, and yet somehow adding three other people on top of that is supposed to make it better. There's also a bunch of details like the Blackbeard Pirates having Commodore Teach and ten captains under him, Luffy wanting ten men for his crew at the end of chapter one, Oda being a huge fan of soccer the Straw Hat crew concept art sketches having a couple conspicuously empty spots and erase marks, etc.
But the biggest thing to take into note is the cast size. Jinbe makes the Straw Hats add up to 10. Three more members makes that add up to 13. At that point, we have to ask ourselves one question. Can Oda handle having a main cast that large? He is already having trouble giving the Straw Hats enough focus in both Dressrosa and Totland while there is only half the crew present. He keeps shoving in supporting characters on top of supporting characters to make his arcs huge. And he has to deal with giving updates and payoffs on so many simultaneously running plotlines at this point in the series. I personally think that having thirteen Straw Hats is the most ridiculous decision Oda could ever realistically make for the series and is something he would most likely want to avoid.
Why didn't they notice there was a Devil Fruit there after Dressrosa? How exactly would snow powers fit alongside lightning abilities and full moon transformations? Those are the issues here. It's too late for something like that to happen without looking extremely contrived and cumbersome for a character like Carrot.
You must have not caught my explanation about Carrot and why I called her a nox pirate. I edited it shortly after. They may not have any history together but they share parallels. One subdued to the bottom of the sea and the other bound to the sky. Both not being able to truly live with others on the ground and both facing racism throughout their history. If I was suggesting they were literally related would be a dumb thing to say but that's not what I was getting at. Far as cast size…Oda can do it I remember suggesting having a simple new strawhat design would be good for Oda after all these years to which you said that's not an issue for him so I will say the same here, juggling new members as far four more even won't be too hard for him. One would suspect he splits the crew because he wants to give them their individual shining moments of growth without dragging the arc too long. If he were to do that for new characters it wouldn't be too hard to do in an organic way. I believe the last two members might actually come from Wano (if Kinemon and momo aren't the two final members). I am basing a lot of what I'm saying on the idea that Pedro is dead. 877 and and chapter 878 seem pretty set in stone. Every One has their time to shine, the 80 year old(?) mink on his last legs has had his time to shine and he has passed on the torch to Carrot. Even if she doesn't know what the dawn of the world is that is essentially what will become her adventure goals. To make sure strawhats see this through.
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Eh, Carrot's one thing, but 3 people after Jinbe join is something I can't ever get behind.
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Eh, Carrot's one thing, but 3 people after Jinbe join is something I can't ever get behind.
After Carrot there will be 2 more. I'm not saying it will happen I'm just following "patterns" and "logic" like a lot of people on here selectively like to do when it fits them lol
For a story that's only meant to last 5 years at first there's no telling how much longer and how many more arcs Oda will draw. So that's not something I will slap a magical number 10 on just because his editors (who tend to get things wrong) might have said.
If Wano is coming in a year and a half it must mean the initially short Reverie arc will actually be a huge one. (Who would have thought that when an editor said Wano will come this year?)
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Far as cast size…Oda can do it
I'm surprised you're saying that after how sidelined Robin and Chopper were in the arcs when half of the crew was missing. At this point we can say with a great degree of confidence: no, Oda can't do it.
Also, another problem with Carrot and Jinbe forming a contrasting duo of sorts is, Oda hasn't given them a single notable interaction which is the least I would expect in that case.
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After Carrot there will be 2 more. I'm not saying it will happen I'm just following "patterns" and "logic" like a lot of people on here selectively like to do when it fits them lol
If we are talking about patterns and logic, there are only one person after Jinbe so we can have 11 SHs.
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I'm surprised you're saying that after how sidelined Robin and Chopper were in the arcs when half of the crew was missing. At this point we can say with a great degree of confidence: no, Oda can't do it.
Also, another problem with Carrot and Jinbe forming a contrasting duo of sorts is, Oda hasn't given them a single notable interaction which is the least I would expect in that case.
They don't need to interact. If they're both on the same ship they will interact naturally and we can at least agree that Carrot will be with them up until the conclusion of Wano. At the very least. There's time for that. She might not even be invited to the crew until the end of that arc if it does happen that is. My point about the new crewmembers wasn't me saying he can do that very well with established characters but he can with new characters who have new stories to tell. So yes I believe he can.
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If we are talking about patterns and logic, there are only one person after Jinbe so we can have 11 SHs.
Why 11 what's been said other than Oda's love of football teams that suggests 11 is something that will be adhered to? I agree to an extent 13 is pushing it a bit but please elaborate.
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In the few occasions I've seen the whole Nox/Sun thing, I felt like it's less about their crews, and more their species. One wants to see this so-called dawn. The other wants to live on the surface one day, where their prince tells them they're so close to the "real sun", that they should continue to dream about it. Presumably the Straw Hats would obviously play a big factor regarding both goals, it's already a given with the Minks anyways. Regardless of Carrot's chances, I always assumed we'd get to spot the parallels between the two races in the future.
Well, anyways, I don't think them not interacting, or the Sun Pirates not doing much really means much. Wano is where presumably we'd get the meat of the whole Dawn thing. And Fishman Island is totally unresolved in regards to the prophecy, as well as the Reverie that's about to take place. I can't wait to see where both of these things lead, nakama discussion aside.
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They don't need to interact. If they're both on the same ship they will interact naturally
Franky to this day has no single notable interaction withe either Zoro or Nami. Brook's interactions with other crew members are mostly his running gags or typical group gags.
My point about the new crewmembers wasn't me saying he can do that very well with established characters but he can with new characters who have new stories to tell. So yes I believe he can.
So he will give them nice origin story and role in their introduction arc and than have only more troubles juggling the crew that got too big for him once Franky joined? Great.
Why 11 what's been said other than Oda's love of football teams that suggests 11 is something that will be adhered to? I agree to an extent 13 is pushing it a bit but please elaborate.
Common courtesy dictates reading the posts you're replying to. CM in the post you quoted above gave 2 other reasons.
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Why 11 what's been said other than Oda's love of football teams that suggests 11 is something that will be adhered to? I agree to an extent 13 is pushing it a bit but please elaborate.
But it's not JUST football teams. It's that along with Luffy wanting ten crewmates at the end of chapter one and Blackbeard being revealed to have ten captains under his command as a commodore. That is as obvious as foreshadowing can get.
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Franky to this day has no single notable interaction with either Zoro or Nami. Brook's interactions with other crew members are mostly his running gags or typical group gags.
Don't remind me :(
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Why 11 what's been said other than Oda's love of football teams that suggests 11 is something that will be adhered to? I agree to an extent 13 is pushing it a bit but please elaborate.
How many people one Blackbeard plus ten Titan Captains gives you?
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Franky to this day has no single notable interaction withe either Zoro or Nami. Brook's interactions with other crew members are mostly his running gags or typical group gags.
So he will give them nice origin story and role in their introduction arc and than have only more troubles juggling the crew that got too big for him once Franky joined? Great.
Common courtesy dictates reading the posts you're replying to. CM in the post you quoted above gave 2 other reasons.
No point telling me who's interacted with who. I never stated anywhere that the two "parallels" need to interact with one another, hence parallel, you know side by side running in the same direction but not necessarily touching. What were you saying about common courtesy?
Yes I did read Count's points about the Blackbeard crew having 11 members in total at the moment, we even had a conversation about this on our profiles from years ago so it's not something I disagree with but will it stay that way? Although some thing Luffy said from chapter 1 or whatever can easily change just as the silhouettes of some of the Yonkou and warlords didn't end up matching what they actually ended up looking like. Weird that. If he gives them origin stories within their own arcs it will save him having to juggle anything at all because One Piece is nearing it's final stretch. When this grand war happens there will be a billion characters anyway there won't be the need for further fleshing out. -
So this Night and Day is actually a thing?
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Based on Carrot's coverage by Oda since her introduction, it's pretty clear that she isn't destined to be a Straw Hat Pirate. His treatment of Carrot is more in line with building up a future ally. I can’t see Oda taking such a creative step back for a Nakama candidate that comes after Jinbe (and Brook). Carrot's character design is too bland and her personality is not as "interesting" as the other Straw Hat Pirates (that includes you too Boss Jinbe).
Also the Straw Hat Pirates already have a young humanoid animal character that can transform and crit the readers with his cuteness.
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I do think Fishmen and Minks are connected and they might have had an alliance before.
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Based on Carrot's coverage by Oda since her introduction, it's pretty clear that she isn't destined to be a Straw Hat Pirate. His treatment of Carrot is more in line with building up a future ally. I can’t see Oda taking such a creative step back for a Nakama candidate that comes after Jinbe (and Brook). Carrot's character design is too bland and her personality is not as "interesting" as the other Straw Hat Pirates (that includes you too Boss Jinbe).
Also the Straw Hat Pirates already have a young humanoid animal character that can transform and crit the readers with his cuteness.
Are you by chance someone who wanted Monet the astronomer to join? (I'm not being facetious I'm actually curious because of your signature)
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No point telling me who's interacted with who. I never stated anywhere that the two "parallels" need to interact with one another, hence parallel, you know side by side running in the same direction but not necessarily touching. What were you saying about common courtesy?
Yes I did read Count's points about the Blackbeard crew having 11 members in total at the moment, we even had a conversation about this on our profiles from years ago so it's not something I disagree with but will it stay that way?It's possible, but it would be super weird. Imagine if one random day, Akainu recruits another Admiral. Bumping up the amount of Admirals from three to four. He has the authority to do that as Fleet Admiral, at least presumably. But wouldn't it be random as hell? Especially when none of the Admirals have been defeated and we haven't even see Ryokugyu yet? That's the problem with the Blackbeard Pirates growing even larger out of nowhere, especially when we don't know who the new eleventh guy is yet.
Although some thing Luffy said from chapter 1 or whatever can easily change just as the silhouettes of some of the Yonkou and warlords didn't end up matching what they actually ended up looking like. Weird that.
A number like that is way more specific and contextually relevant than a darkened face we can only make out a vague shape of. And the fact it comes at the very first chapter gives it extra weight as something Oda thought very long about.
If he gives them origin stories within their own arcs it will save him having to juggle anything at all because One Piece is nearing it's final stretch. When this grand war happens there will be a billion characters anyway there won't be the need for further fleshing out.
That doesn't mean it's good to add more main characters on top of that no matter how huge the quantity.
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I'm sticking with a 11 total. At least Carrot is going to have her 1v1 in some capacity. I'll just wait to see how things turn out.
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It's possible, but it would be super weird. Imagine if one random day, Akainu recruits another Admiral. Bumping up the amount of Admirals from three to four. He has the authority to do that as Fleet Admiral, at least presumably. But wouldn't it be random as hell? Especially when none of the Admirals have been defeated and we haven't even see Ryokugyu yet? That's the problem with the Blackbeard Pirates growing even larger out of nowhere, especially when we don't know who the new eleventh guy is yet.
A number like that is way more specific and contextually relevant than a darkened face we can only make out a vague shape of. And the fact it comes at the very first chapter gives it extra weight as something Oda thought very long about.
That doesn't mean it's good to add more main characters on top of that no matter how huge the quantity.
I was just responding to someone who suggested the addition of Franky was one too many. If the so called damage is already done then it's no longer a new issue to be had. There's no going back after all. At this point in the story any new member won't have a must-have role because let's face it the serious ones are all covered. We've managed to squeeze Jinbei in just about and find a role for him and we will have to do the same for the 11th member who we also don't know who they are as of yet. I'm game for 11 members too I was just trying to give you guys hope for someone else after Carrot joins. Wouldn't want anyone to be disappointed if this final spot was taken before we see what Wano has to offer lol
Although bumping up the number of admirals might solve the dissolution of warlords that might be coming soon in the reverie arc… to maintain balance in the seas.
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Are you by chance someone who wanted Monet the astronomer to join? (I'm not being facetious I'm actually curious because of your signature)
I am someone who enjoyed her character, the way Oda designed her, the prospect of space and the story potential Astronomy held as a profession that could affect the One Piece world significantly ("Religion" vs Science).
Now I am looking forward to the cover story and Jinbe officially joining.
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I am someone who enjoyed her character, the way Oda designed her, the prospect of space and the story potential Astronomy held as a profession that could affect the One Piece world significantly ("Religion" vs Science).
Now I am looking forward to the cover story and Jinbe officially joining.
How does one survive a stab to the heart and a point blank explosion, is it because she has wings like Pell? Probably the same way Pedro will end up living from his suicide attack that had enough explosive power to push Big Mom the Yonkou flat on her ass.
But I remember I was hoping for a character redemption for Monet at one point. Her design is really cool (no pun intended). Astronomy would have been an interesting subject to explore considering there could be links between Celestial Dragons/void century and the moon. Oh and ancient weapons. Maybe.
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The simple answer is because Oda's writing style of present time named character deaths support them being alive.
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How does one survive a stab to the heart and a point blank explosion,
For starters, logia. Any attack that wasn't haki based isn't going to affect her. Crocodile has been beheaded and he's fine.
On top of that, the chapter after she "died' super clearly shows that Ceaser missed stabbing her heart entirely. He only grazed the edge of the cube.
She fainted from her earlier injuries and the heart being jostled, (same as Law and Smoker) not from actually being stabbed in the heart. She'd already been coughing blood from Tashigi's earlier attack.
Oda staged the camera angles to make that "death" scene as dramatic and convincing as possible, but he was still faking it. And then you toss in Oda's writing habits in general. Even if she were stabbed, she'd still survive.
(As for explosions, those have never done any lasting harm to anyone in the series.)
And again. LOGIA. Snow logia in fact, in a snowy island.
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I would say just because people believe Monet alive doesn't mean we see her ever joining, since I want to say Robby even has fun with all the weird theories people try to make with Monet.
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For starters, logia. Any attack that wasn't haki based isn't going to affect her. Crocodile has been beheaded and he's fine.
On top of that, the chapter after she "died' super clearly shows that Ceaser missed stabbing her heart entirely. He only grazed the edge of the cube.
[qimg]https://12dimension.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/one_piece_ch695_06-edit.jpg[/qimg]She fainted from her earlier injuries and the heart being jostled, (same as Law and Smoker) not from actually being stabbed in the heart. She'd already been coughing blood from Tashigi's earlier attack.
Oda staged the camera angles to make that "death" scene as dramatic and convincing as possible, but he was still faking it. And then you toss in Oda's writing habits in general. Even if she were stabbed, she'd still survive.
(As for explosions, those have never done any lasting harm to anyone in the series.)
And again. LOGIA. Snow logia in fact, in a snowy island.
Thanks for jostling my memory. You're right about the staged death. Explosions are one thing but what about explosions that are strapped to your body that have shown to have penetrated candy armour, dismembered an arm and push BM over (which is no small feat, she does have small feet though).
Have we seen Pekoms yet I don't remember because if we haven't maybe his turtle shell will come into play in saving Pedro.
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I am someone who enjoyed her character, the way Oda designed her, the prospect of space and the story potential Astronomy held as a profession that could affect the One Piece world significantly ("Religion" vs Science).
Now I am looking forward to the cover story and Jinbe officially joining.
Kind of hope Monet meets Enel in some far-fetched fashion…. It'd be a good duo.
I know it probably won't happen...
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Kind of hope Monet meets Enel in some far-fetched fashion…. It'd be a good duo.
I know it probably won't happen...
I was actually thinking that earlier lol you're not the only one. But as CM pointed out snow and lightning don't make a good combo :p
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Explosions are one thing but what about explosions that are strapped to your body that have shown to have penetrated candy armour, dismembered an arm and push BM over (which is no small feat, she does have small feet though).
Haki, good doctors, big mom has 50 years of his life on hand in a homie somewhere, full moon transformation, sun pirates in the area, he was blown away from the explosion, plenty of explanations.. or just go the Pell route and have him inexplicably simply tank it and give no further explanation just give him a scar later.
Lots of smoke, no body and no reliable witness means he's fine.
I would say just because people believe Monet alive doesn't mean we see her ever joining, since I want to say Robby even has fun with all the weird theories people try to make with Monet.
We'll see her whenever Oda gets around to the Dresserossa villains cover story. If Punk Hazard hadn't been so directly connected to that we would have had her confirmed alive 2 years ago.