You know, Bege might have had a better time with his assassination plan had he picked…a different Yonko.
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I wonder if the egg fruit stages are permanent. As in Tomago being stuck in Chicken for the rest of his life. It would quite life changing devil fruit if that's the case.
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I wonder if the egg fruit stages are permanent. As in Tomago being stuck in Chicken for the rest of his life. It would quite life changing devil fruit if that's the case.
Considering that the cronies already knew about Tamago's first two stages, it's likely not permanent.
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The WG is pretty nice to their kings. The kept the Vinsmokes in the reveries despite 300 years without real land.
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I remember Oda saying one of the mangas he read as a younger man was Fist of the North Star. And I feel like the overall image of the Beasts Pirates is a homage to that. If your basic mook wasn't dressed as a punk rocker type he was usually wearing some weird Viking/Mongol hybrid look, and all of them mercilessly sadistic.
Even Jack fits the mold of a few enemies being utterly massive, heavily muscled behemoths.
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I have feeling that there will be a Spaghetti Western themed arc.
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I have feeling that there will be a Spaghetti Western themed arc.
Wasn't that Whiskey Peak?
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An actual bet and conversation on the Chapter 905 thread, literally an hour before he got banned again.
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Wasn't that Whiskey Peak?
nope, not really. There's a cover story with Shanks and the Red Hair pirates that hints at a western setting.
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There was also the island Ace and Blackbeard fought at, as well.
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I heard an idea that Katakuri could be a dwarf inside a mochi body, and I like it. Even though it's the exact same trick Cracker pulled, I would instantly forgive it if it meant we got a dwarf antagonist.
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@Kaido:
I heard an idea that Katakuri could be a dwarf inside a mochi body, and I like it. Even though it's the exact same trick Cracker pulled, I would instantly forgive it if it meant we got a dwarf antagonist.
But isnt he way to intelligent and competent for being a possible dwarf?
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nope, not really. There's a cover story with Shanks and the Red Hair pirates that hints at a western setting.
Didn't Oda made an one-shot on a western setting?
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I'd say the series is meant to be divided in a way to how the arcs correlate pre and post time skip.
East Blue (Arlong Park) = Fishman Island
The obvious connection being the fishman and the start of their major adventures in both part of the series respectively.
Alabasta (Baroque Works) = Dressrossa
Connections being 2 warlords political manipulation of a nation. First major arc of consequence
Skypiea (Jaya) = Whole Cake (Zoe)
Connections being incredibly exotic locations, more in line with an isolated adventure than a major event. Multiple plot seeds are planted in each respective arc.
My conclusion is that I can see the rest of the series mirroring the first half with the second half ending in a war like
Marineford. So I'd say what's next is the Water7/Ennie's Lobby level arc which is most likely Wano. After that I'd say the Thriller Bark equivalent will be another more relatively isolated adventure arc either on Elbaf or possibly the Moon. After that I see an escalation of arcs leading up to the final war. -
I'd say the series is meant to be divided in a way to how the arcs correlate pre and post time skip.
East Blue (Arlong Park) = Fishman Island
The obvious connection being the fishman and the start of their major adventures in both part of the series respectively.
Alabasta (Baroque Works) = Dressrossa
Connections being 2 warlords political manipulation of a nation. First major arc of consequence
Skypiea (Jaya) = Whole Cake (Zoe)
Connections being incredibly exotic locations, more in line with an isolated adventure than a major event. Multiple plot seeds are planted in each respective arc.
My conclusion is that I can see the rest of the series mirroring the first half with the second half ending in a war like
Marineford. So I'd say what's next is the Water7/Ennie's Lobby level arc which is most likely Wano. After that I'd say the Thriller Bark equivalent will be another more relatively isolated adventure arc either on Elbaf or possibly the Moon. After that I see an escalation of arcs leading up to the final war.Interesting. Try some of this! It's essential reading 'round these parts!
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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I really not wanna harass anyone but not this shit again.
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Interesting. Try some of this! It's essential reading 'round these parts!
I get the sarcasm of that thread and the dismissal of said observations but I would never go into extreme detail or imply it's all some master plan. I do however believe that the parallels are intentional if only surface level connections.
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The only parallel drawn is Alabasta-Dressrosa really which was done on purpose, sometimes to a painful extent
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The only parallel drawn is Alabasta-Dressrosa really which was done on purpose, sometimes to a painful extent
I hardly see where you guys get a Alabasta vibe, let alone a painful one, from Dressrosa.
I can see that King Kong Gun kind of mirrors the finishing blow on Crocodile but that's it. And that felt pretty good, not painful.
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I hardly see where you guys get a Alabasta vibe, let alone a painful one, from Dressrosa.
I can see that King Kong Gun kind of mirrors the finishing blow on Crocodile but that's it. And that felt pretty good, not painful.Both Doflamingo and Crocodile are Shichibukai. Doflamingo taking over the country was basically a what if scenario of Crocodile's Project Utopia having worked (which was based on defaming the king just like Doflamingo defamed Riku). Vivi and Rebecca parallel each other pacifistic princesses. A couple members of the Donquixote Pirates have superior Devil Fruit versions of Baroque Works (Gladius/Machvise and Mr. 5/Miss Valentine). Crocodile underestimated Luffy while reading his bounty poster while Doflamingo wanted to investigate Luffy (the panels for these events directly parallel each other).
They're both unique arcs, but still hammer home that they're parallels of each other a bit blatantly.
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Crocodile underestimated Luffy while reading his bounty poster while Doflamingo wanted to investigate Luffy (the panels for these events directly parallel each other)
I strongly disagree that Crocodile underestimated Luffy or that Doffly didn't blatantly do so.
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I strongly disagree that Crocodile underestimated Luffy or that Doffly didn't blatantly do so.
I was only talking about in the context of that particular scene. Not throughout Dressrosa, because he clearly did by thinking that Diamante was enough to handle him in the Coliseum.
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I don't remember the chapter where Crocodile read Luffy's bounty, but whatever he said was basically "that's no big deal, he's just a rookie".
Also, Crocodile underestimated Luffy during their fight by showing off with that hourglass timer and bragging about how Grand Line rookies rely on their Devil Fruit abilities like crutches after defeating Luffy. He only became careful once water came into play.
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I hardly see where you guys get a Alabasta vibe, let alone a painful one, from Dressrosa.
I can see that King Kong Gun kind of mirrors the finishing blow on Crocodile but that's it. And that felt pretty good, not painful.
I would say this says pretty much confirms that Oda intended for both arc to be parallel of each other.
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There are 9 other characters called Schibukai, that's not a parallel.
Those Baraque Works officers were never present in Alabasta.
Vivi and Rebecca are as close to each other as they are to Lola IMO.I agree with the rest of the things you said. But how are those painful to read, or even redondant ? I am not saying you are one of them Count. But some people really think they read Alabasta twice.
WTF ?!Actually what bothers me the most is not the "it's Alabasta agian". It's the "it's Alabasta again and nothing else".
Skypiea parallel Blatant fight against Bellamy.
Luffy is god's natural enemy
statue of Norland in dwarf village like statue of Kalgara in shandian village
Greenbit connected to Dressrosa like the Angel Island to Upper Yard.
Birdcage looks like Ohm cage.
Doffy organizes a survival game like Ener.You can probably do the same with other arcs.
Some people are way too focused on the similarities. If reading Dressrosa feels like you read Alabasta a second time, buy yourself new eyes.
It has a tournament, the strawhat grand fleet, the crew separated in two teams, a new race. A yonko officer running wild. We see the revolutionary army in action for the first time.
Damn Alabasta all over again huh.I totally agree that parallels exist. But they are cool and nicely presented. They are not painful or omnipresent throughout the arc.
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All of the parallels are fine. I don't have a problem with any of them, and I know that you're not accusing me of thinking that way. And I know that Dressrosa also had a few parallels with Jaya/Skypiea, on purpose or not.
And only three Warlords were antagonists that Luffy fought and defeated in their arcs. Crocodile, Moria, and Doflamingo. It's not an exact match since Moria is the odd man out, but it's still close enough for it to count as a parallel. Especially with the focus on the World Government trying to cover up the scandals in both arcs, but Fujitora stopping that in Dressrosa (which Smoker and Tashigi, the Marine representatives of Alabasta, were grateful for).
Then it's an Alabasta SAGA parallel instead of just the arc. Or rather, Baroque Works and the Donquixote Pirates specifically (and both groups had henchmen be arc antagonists). Either way, it's clear who Oda was trying to parallel. Gladius and Machvise are basically Mr. 5 and Miss Valentine if they were actually competent threats.
I consider Vivi and Rebecca's ideologies on promoting non-violence to be a bit similar and probably on-purpose. Though there aren't really any scenes that are direct parallels of each other between them.
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was machvise really all that competent, though
I suppose the better word is "strong" rather than "competent" lol.
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honestly, I never got why Machvise has a "stronger" version of Ms. Valentine's fruit when he can only get heavier (albeit a lot heavier than Ms. V can)
I liked that the Kilo-Kilo fruit let you float around in addition to being heavy as hell, whereas Machvise's Ton-Ton fruit is just ME AM THE HEAVIEREST AND SMASH YOU WITH HEAVYEverybody makes the exact same complaints about him you just did. At least Gladius is a bit unique in how his explosion attacks rely more on shrapnel shooting everywhere.
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I hardly see where you guys get a Alabasta vibe, let alone a painful one, from Dressrosa.
I can see that King Kong Gun kind of mirrors the finishing blow on Crocodile but that's it. And that felt pretty good, not painful.Both Croc and DD were about taking a country. DD was supposed to illustrate what Alabasta might have looked like if Croc had succeeded.
Then Fujitora and what he did, namely showcase the cruelness of a Shichibukai and the fact that a pirate has saved a country is supposed to be the redemption for Smoker and Tashigi which they admit themselves.
Then like Count Mario mentioned, you have the painful ones with the fruit parallels instead of introducing new abilities, Oda simply introduced updates abilities (though i find Mr.5´s fruit more impressive to be honest).
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I was only talking about in the context of that particular scene. Not throughout Dressrosa, because he clearly did by thinking that Diamante was enough to handle him in the Coliseum.
When I think of how Doflamingo underestimated them I think of him bringing a maximum of enemies into his territories the day he has to deal with them or putting a hit on Bellamy. Power scaling isn't really what I am talking.
I don't remember the chapter where Crocodile read Luffy's bounty, but whatever he said was basically "that's no big deal, he's just a rookie".
I'm pretty sure he didn't get to see his bounty. He got the info from the unluckies, sent Mr.3 and then believed them dead until Alabasta. The first thing he did when inform of the strawhat was sent a smart and strong operative that could take a careful approach.
Also, Crocodile underestimated Luffy during their fight by showing off with that hourglass timer and bragging about how Grand Line rookies rely on their Devil Fruit abilities like crutches after defeating Luffy. He only became careful once water came into play.
Saying he underestimated him in the first fight is strange since he considered himself stronger and got proven during his exchange with Luffy. His knowledge didn't include anything that would hint at Luffy being able to hurt him and indeed Luffy couldn't. He didn't let Luffy flee or stick to some logic that was proven wrong. I also disagree that he was not careful since he pierced him and shoved him into quick sand in the middle of the empty desert. A pretty sure way to kill someone.
He didn't underestimate Luffy what he underestimate was how much control he had over Robin.
I consider you underestimated someone if despite having certain information you don't take proper precautions. With Luffy with the little he had acted according to his data. Sent a smart operative first when he knew nothing and then killed him in 3 definitive different ways. He (possibly) underestimated Robin because she was known for treachery and still got tricked but he didn't underestimated Luffy.
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Desa again this is a nice call back, and he precisely says that "Alabasta could have become like Dressrosa". It didn't happen.
Dressrosa is the result of a shichibukai that framed a king into a negative light with the help of his organization. Viola is a high officer which should be loyal to Doffly but is secretly trying to undermined it. Which the shichibukai knows and let happen. The shichibukai also have a massive organazation with a shitload of grunts but a handful of powerful employees that are given a special title.
Dressrosa background is Crocodile's plot in the Alabasta. This caused a strong feeling of similarity. A feeling Oda acknoledge and probably wanted in order for Fuji's point to better resonate. Your appreciation(love, hate, apathy) of those parallel is yours but their existence seems pretty apparent and purposely done by the author.
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Both Croc and DD were about taking a country. DD was supposed to illustrate what Alabasta might have looked like if Croc had succeeded.
Then Fujitora and what he did, namely showcase the cruelness of a Shichibukai and the fact that a pirate has saved a country is supposed to be the redemption for Smoker and Tashigi which they admit themselves.
Then like Count Mario mentioned, you have the painful ones with the fruit parallels instead of introducing new abilities, Oda simply introduced updates abilities (though i find Mr.5´s fruit more impressive to be honest).
Nobody is saying they are the exact same arcs but purposely forced these parallels, so that you get the point.And how was it painful to you ?
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was machvise really all that competent, though
One was a joke while the other was a challenge to his opponent. So Machvise is still a bit more competent.
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honestly, I never got why Machvise has a "stronger" version
Because it is a stupid notion in itself. Different fruits have different abilities and interact in different ways. Ranking them is silly.
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There is also the wasted potential of Robin going "I'll never forgive him", because a ton of alabastian blood is on her hands.
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I've noticed Oda seems to take a lot of influence from Classic Disney animation. I seem to see a lot of Pinocchio era Disney in his animation style. I've noticed aesthetic similarities between stuff like Alabasta and Agrabah (Aladdin), Skypiea and Neverland (Peter Pan), Thriller Bark and Halloween Town (Nightmare Before Christmas), and of course Whole Cake with Wonderland (Alice in Wonderland). I've always loved that feeling, it's probably why the first Kingdom Hearts game reminds me so much of One Piece with its sense of adventure and progression of narrative and world building from location to location.
It's probably why none of the sequels to that series ever seemed to recapture that same vibe and sense of explorative adventure for me. Still excited for the 3rd game tho, it seems to be trying to bring that feeling back.
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I've noticed Oda seems to take a lot of influence from Classic Disney animation. I seem to see a lot of Pinocchio era Disney in his animation style. I've noticed aesthetic similarities between stuff like Alabasta and Agrabah (Aladdin), Skypiea and Neverland (Peter Pan), Thriller Bark and Halloween Town (Nightmare Before Christmas), and of course Whole Cake with Wonderland (Alice in Wonderland).
Could you explain more about the similarities between Skypiea and Neverland? As I can't really see what you mean when you said that. Just trying to understand! ^^
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I've noticed Oda seems to take a lot of influence from Classic Disney animation. I seem to see a lot of Pinocchio era Disney in his animation style. I've noticed aesthetic similarities between stuff like Alabasta and Agrabah (Aladdin), Skypiea and Neverland (Peter Pan), Thriller Bark and Halloween Town (Nightmare Before Christmas), and of course Whole Cake with Wonderland (Alice in Wonderland). I've always loved that feeling, it's probosbly why the first Kingdom Hearts game reminds me so much of One Piece with its sense of adventure and progression of narrative and world building from location to location.
While I'm sure that Oda's a Disney fan, I'm more inclined to believe that Alabasta and Skypiea are moreso inspired by Egyptian/Arabian and Native Culture respectively than Aladdin and Peter Pan. I mean, the whole Skypiean versus Shandian conflict SCREAMS being based on Native American territory conflicts in America's history. Especially since Oda takes inspiration from real life locations for arc settings all of the time, like Water 7 being inspired by Venice's water canals, Dressrosa being inspired by Spain's architecture and romantic ambiance, and Gray Terminal being based off of mountains of garbage populated by the impoverished in Manila. Oda absorbs so much inspiration from so much media, so much history, so many real world locations and people, that it's absolutely insane yet so inspiring as well.
You're definitely right about the latter three examples though, and Whole Cake inspired by a whole bunch of fairy tales and likely Disney movies (Big Mom's design and crooked deals strongly remind me of Ursula from The Little Mermaid and Daifuku has a lamp Devil Fruit that is probably inspired by Aladdin). And Oda has gone on record saying that one of the songs he listened to for inspiration when conceptualizing Whole Cake Island is This Is Halloween from The Nightmare Before Christmas. And believe it or not, I always sort of felt like Kingdom Hearts shared adventure vibes with One Piece too lol. Especially when both main casts often don different types of attire suited for each location.
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Could you explain more about the similarities between Skypiea and Neverland? As I can't really see what you mean when you said that. Just trying to understand! ^^
I'm talking about more so aesthetics. The native tribes that occupy the outskirts of the main island, Treasure in the eye of the skull, both locations being based on western/American folklore, Christian mythology, and the childlike fantasy of their designs. "Pirates and Indians" as a little kid in the late 1800's/early 1900's would have fantasied about. The sky and flying is also a large part of both locations backgrounds. You have to fly to a specific star to reach Neverland for example. Take a side by side photo of Neverland and Spypiea and I just see visual similarities. I'm not saying it's a definite thing, just that I can easily see Oda taken inspiration.
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Oh yeah… The treasure in the eye of the skull IS like Peter pan. Huh, I never recognized that lol. And the sky/flying theme does sound a bit slightly too similar... That's a really good catch. XD
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While I'm sure that Oda's a Disney fan, I'm more inclined to believe that Alabasta and Skypiea are moreso inspired by Egyptian/Arabian and Native Culture respectively than Aladdin and Peter Pan. I mean, the whole Skypiean versus Shandian conflict SCREAMS being based on Native American territory conflicts in America's history. Especially since Oda takes inspiration from real life locations for arc settings all of the time, like Water 7 being inspired by Venice's water canals, Dressrosa being inspired by Spain's architecture and romantic ambiance, and Gray Terminal being based off of mountains of garbage populated by the impoverished in Manila. Oda absorbs so much inspiration from so much media, so much history, so many real world locations and people, that it's absolutely insane yet so inspiring as well.
You're definitely right about the latter three examples though, and Whole Cake inspired by a whole bunch of fairy tales and likely Disney movies (Big Mom's design and crooked deals strongly remind me of Ursula from The Little Mermaid and Daifuku has a lamp Devil Fruit that is probably inspired by Aladdin). And Oda has gone on record saying that one of the songs he listened to for inspiration when conceptualizing Whole Cake Island is This Is Halloween from The Nightmare Before Christmas. And believe it or not, I always sort of felt like Kingdom Hearts shared adventure vibes with One Piece too lol. Especially when both main casts often don different types of attire suited for each location.
excellent post. Again I'm not saying it's a definite thing just that I can see him taking influence from all of the things you mentioned as well as the films. Like you said, it's incredible how much he's able to draw from so much and make it his own.
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excellent post. Again I'm not saying it's a definite thing just that I can see him taking influence from all of the things you mentioned as well as the films. Like you said, it's incredible how much he's able to draw from so much and make it his own.
I completely understand. I'm not saying that it's impossible, far from it. Your Neverland examples were great and probably right. I'm only saying that I never really noticed movie similarities in those arcs. In fact, I'm a bit shocked that I never really noticed anything specifically Aladdin-esque in Alabasta despite Oda clearly being a Disney fan, but I might be wrong.
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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I'm talking about more so aesthetics. The native tribes that occupy the outskirts of the main island, Treasure in the eye of the skull, both locations being based on western/American folklore, Christian mythology, and the childlike fantasy of their designs. "Pirates and Indians" as a little kid in the late 1800's/early 1900's would have fantasied about. The sky and flying is also a large part of both locations backgrounds. You have to fly to a specific star to reach Neverland for example. Take a side by side photo of Neverland and Spypiea and I just see visual similarities. I'm not saying it's a definite thing, just that I can easily see Oda taken inspiration.
Ah, okay. Yeah, I really need to see Peter Pan again. As I don't remember the treasure, and the eye of the skull in that movie. Anyways, thanks for explaining! ^^
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despite Oda clearly being a One Piece fan, but I might be wrong.
I'm guessing this is a typo, unless you meant something else 0.0
Avatar: Series: Neptunia; Character: Neptune; Artist: Unknown
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Ugggggh, I hate typos.
Ah, okay. And yeah, I hate them too! >.<
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How high do you guys think Sabo's bounty is? I'd say 600 to 700 million berrys.
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How high do you guys think Sabo's bounty is? I'd say 600 to 700 million berrys.
I'd actually wager around a billion.
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