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We know Kaidou is @ Wano right now. But from what we saw Drake is there as well (iirc there was this "horned" building with the trees when we saw Drake the last time).
Could he be a fitting opponent for Law in the Wano-arc? They influenced each other's fate indirectly without knowing it in the past. The north-blue-rookie-match if you want so. If not I hope they at least have a little interaction.
After all Law's very first line in the story was sth like:"Drake, how many people have you killed again?" (iirc)
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To start another topic:
We know Kaidou is @ Wano right now. But from what we saw Drake is there as well (iirc there was this "horned" building with the trees when we saw Drake the last time).
Could he be a fitting opponent for Law in the Wano-arc? They influenced each other's fate indirectly without knowing it in the past. The north-blue-rookie-match if you want so. If not I hope they at least have a little interaction.
After all Law's very first line in the story was sth like:"Drake, how many people have you killed again?" (iirc)well,actually we know they are occupying wano,but we don't know if they reside there…last time we saw him in what seemed like a cave in an autumn/winter island (either a normal season on a winter one,or a cold winter in an autumn one)..whenever hat's wano or his own island like whole cake island is for big mom,we don't know.
as per drake vs law..he said he doesn't have any anymosity towards doflamingo for what happened to his father,so i guess he also doesn't have any problem with law either..also,both never met on that island and law has no way to know that drake's surname is barrels and he was there.
also,drake's whole affair with kaidou has been strange since the beginning,we don't know if he is really loyal to the yonkou albeit he kept the facade for 2 years straight...my instinct tells me he has something in mind..but it's also possible that just like with capone,oda wanted to spread all the supernovas between allies,enemies and guys who just hang around like urouge
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IMO, Drake will betray Kaido and fight with Luffy's alliance. But he could also be like Ace, first tries to kill Withebeard and then gets in his crew, maybe it's what happened with Drake. But what if he's part of Law's plan to take down a yonko ? Which means Law is planning for now 2 years to take down Kaido ? That'd be funny.
Actually, I've the feeling that all supernovas will join Luffy to fight Kaido. -
IMO, Drake will betray Kaido and fight with Luffy's alliance. But he could also be like Ace, first tries to kill Withebeard and then gets in his crew, maybe it's what happened with Drake. But what if he's part of Law's plan to take down a yonko ? Which means Law is planning for now 2 years to take down Kaido ? That'd be funny.
Actually, I've the feeling that all supernovas will join Luffy to fight Kaido.well since law's plan never existed in the first place,drake can't be part of it doesn't it?
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IMO, Drake will betray Kaido and fight with Luffy's alliance. But he could also be like Ace, first tries to kill Withebeard and then gets in his crew, maybe it's what happened with Drake. But what if he's part of Law's plan to take down a yonko ? Which means Law is planning for now 2 years to take down Kaido ? That'd be funny.
Actually, I've the feeling that all supernovas will join Luffy to fight Kaido.He is not like ace since he actually wanted to join he got his ass handed to him by kizaru at sa so it would be stupid for him to think he could take a yonkou down when he was also a former marine and knew what they could do plus he was also watching the whitebeard war so he could see that was required to take them down.
he is either a spy for the marines or is using kaido to get stronger so that he can backstab kaido in the future when the time is right like when luffys alliance attacks or he is weakened by another yonkou.
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well since law's plan never existed in the first place,drake can't be part of it doesn't it?
He could be waiting for the right time to backstab kaido just like how blackbeard waited for the right time to take down whitebeard if blackbeard had not waited for the darkness fruit to appear,getting the level 6 impel down prisoners and waiting for the whitebeard to be near death in the war he would have had no chance against whitebeard pirates by himself.
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Yeah, his plan is very strange. We don't know if he made up this plan when he met Luffy at PH or if he was gonna do it eitherway.
Maybe he told Drake "the plan starts when I take down Doflamingo, you'll know it via newspaper" and maybe this is why we've seen Drake reading the paper. Well, not sure at all about this but about all supernova ganging up against a Yonko, I believe it. They're all involved in it right now, only Urouge and Bonny have to appear.
I think this arc with BM will end up with some allies for Luffy, BM will probably say "Capone, you're from his generation too, go with him". -
well,actually we know they are occupying wano,but we don't know if they reside there…last time we saw him in what seemed like a cave in an autumn/winter island (either a normal season on a winter one,or a cold winter in an autumn one)..whenever hat's wano or his own island like whole cake island is for big mom,we don't know.
as per drake vs law..he said he doesn't have any anymosity towards doflamingo for what happened to his father,so i guess he also doesn't have any problem with law either..also,both never met on that island and law has no way to know that drake's surname is barrels and he was there.
also,drake's whole affair with kaidou has been strange since the beginning,we don't know if he is really loyal to the yonkou albeit he kept the facade for 2 years straight...my instinct tells me he has something in mind..but it's also possible that just like with capone,oda wanted to spread all the supernovas between allies,enemies and guys who just hang around like urouge
Would still be cool if Oda ties both of their fates together by letting them fight each other (even if they don't know of their "connection", we the readers know they are "connected").
What I took from the last time we saw Kaidou: could it be that Kaidou wants to send Kidd to deliver the message "don't screw with me, Rookies!" to Law and Luffy? Maybe Kaidou has "convincing" ways to make Rookies join his crew.
I just find Law's very first line interesting. Possible foreshadowing? Drake and Law are in opposing teams right now. I wish for an interaction between them at least, be it a fight or Drake betraying Kaidou. -
Yeah, his plan is very strange. We don't know if he made up this plan when he met Luffy at PH or if he was gonna do it eitherway.
Maybe he told Drake "the plan starts when I take down Doflamingo, you'll know it via newspaper" and maybe this is why we've seen Drake reading the paper. Well, not sure at all about this but about all supernova ganging up against a Yonko, I believe it. They're all involved in it right now, only Urouge and Bonny have to appear.
I think this arc with BM will end up with some allies for Luffy, BM will probably say "Capone, you're from his generation too, go with him".i think it's pretty much implied (if not confirmed,i might remember wrong) that law's plan never existed
his was just a "triple trap" to have his revenge on doflamingo.,..it involved pitching doflamingo against an admiral first,then law himself,and if all this had failed (like it happened),luffy was supposed to destroy the factory and leave doffy against kaidoubut it was still a suicidal plan with no intention to then going against kaido even if everything went as planned and fuji had taken down doffy without law's involvement….basically after punk hazard and dressrosa,there was never a step 3
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Actually, I've the feeling that all supernovas will join Luffy to fight Kaido.
That seems something reserved for the fight with Blackbeard.
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People are for certain death all the time but clear things as Pudding being Three Eyes is completely ignored… until it is "stated" in the manga
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Urouge doesn't strike me to be in conflict with Kaido praying for him and all. I'd rather some of supernovas allied with Kaido would stay with him, Apoo primarly. Not seeing Killer with Kidd makes me wonder what his current status is, but maybe he is the type to follow the stronger leader or he surrendered and is now part of a calamities' crew. I'd say Hawkins is a wildcard/joker type of figure. If all 3 calamities will be taken down in Wano, then Law, Drake and Kidd might confront one each, while Zoro deals with the Shogun, and the rest of the Strawhats are dealing with soldiers, unless there are more named/important characters from Kaido's crew we haven't yet seen.
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People are for certain death all the time but clear things as Pudding being Three Eyes is completely ignored… until it is "stated" in the manga
I don't understand how people can still be so blind to this. lol
Some people though thought Fujitora wasn't Fujitora until it was stated in the manga though, even though Fuji followed the guidelines of every admiral character before him, and had a different artstyle then the most of the other cast members.
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What are people's thoughts on Fuji coming from Wano. Another Lord that saw what happened between Oden, the Shogun and Kaido?
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What are people's thoughts on Fuji coming from Wano. Another Lord that saw what happened between Oden, the Shogun and Kaido?
Kinemon would probably recognize him then
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As in give it more panel time? I guess, when did they interact with each other? At the bar Zoro's sword distracted him from it, then when stopping the birdcage?
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As in give it more panel time? I guess, when did they interact with each other? At the bar Zoro's sword distracted him from it, then when stopping the birdcage?
When dofla gunned down Law, kinemon saw fujitora and got attacked by him on top of the Bar encounter.
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That seems something reserved for the fight with Blackbeard.
Humm. As I said, Law, Zoro, Luffy, Killer and Kidd are directly involved against Kaido right know. These five are for sure gonna fight Kaido.
Luffy vs Kaido
Zoro vs Shogun
Law vs one calamity
Kidd vs one calamity
Killer vs one calamityIt seems alright to me. But then, does that mean Marco won't fight a calamity ? Well, I'm sure Kaido has some very strong allies, Marco, Inuarashi and Nekomamushi will be useful.
Those three captains seem to be confirmed.
Now, does Apoo gonna betray Kaido when he'll see Luffy is strong enough to beat Kaido ? Same for Drake ?
And as for Hawkins, I guess he managed to escape with Killer. Maybe they will meet Luffy and propose a bigger alliance. That'd be interesting. Actually if only Kidd and his crew were to join Luffy&Law that'd be enough. The alliance was IMO foreshadowed since Law, Luffy, Kidd vs marines at Sabaody.And about Law's plan. It seems he had one because he left his crew on Zou few days before going to PH and then started his plan. As Sanji said before coup de burst, Law seemed to have personnal grudge against Doflamingo. That's all. But his initial plan still remained Kaido.
When Luffy had said next to Law & Kidd at Sabaodt he'll be the King of pirates, their reactions insinuated they wanted to be too. Then I can only imagine that Doflamingo was indeed only a step, he sure made it personnal but his target was Kaido IMO. -
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Urouge doesn't strike me to be in conflict with Kaido praying for him and all. I'd rather some of supernovas allied with Kaido would stay with him, Apoo primarly. Not seeing Killer with Kidd makes me wonder what his current status is, but maybe he is the type to follow the stronger leader or he surrendered and is now part of a calamities' crew. I'd say Hawkins is a wildcard/joker type of figure. If all 3 calamities will be taken down in Wano, then Law, Drake and Kidd might confront one each, while Zoro deals with the Shogun, and the rest of the Strawhats are dealing with soldiers, unless there are more named/important characters from Kaido's crew we haven't yet seen.
My bet for Killer's wherebouts right now is the Tea Party.
A blond guy, whose face we've never seen, that's known to be a fierce fighter and whose name is actually Killer -> he's Sanji's older brother.Last chapter we saw someone from Germa 66 with a swirlybrow, like Sanji, so we can assume that's some sort of trait passed down on the Vinsmoke family.
Back in Thriller Back, Sanji told Kuma "Take my head I'll be the Straw Hat's biggest problem in the future", which we now know that's because of his family, so it seems that if someone from that family wants to lay low they would hide that trait. -
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I don't think at all he was referring at his family when speaking to Kuma. Just saying he was gonna get stronger and stronger.
I'm not a fan of Sanji's brother being Killer but the Tea Party can effectively be a good spot to meet, though Kidd doesn't have good relations with BigMama. Tamago had said at the fisman Island that he had sunk some of them ships.About Moriah. I've read hypothesis saying he will turn Luffy into Nightmare Luffy or something bigger. I'm sure he'll be back in Luffy's side but I have no idea what he can do.
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Humm. As I said, Law, Zoro, Luffy, Killer and Kidd are directly involved against Kaido right know. These five are for sure gonna fight Kaido.
Luffy vs Kaido
Zoro vs Shogun
Law vs one calamity
Kidd vs one calamity
Killer vs one calamityIt seems alright to me. But then, does that mean Marco won't fight a calamity ? Well, I'm sure Kaido has some very strong allies, Marco, Inuarashi and Nekomamushi will be useful.
Those three captains seem to be confirmed.
Now, does Apoo gonna betray Kaido when he'll see Luffy is strong enough to beat Kaido ? Same for Drake ?
And as for Hawkins, I guess he managed to escape with Killer. Maybe they will meet Luffy and propose a bigger alliance. That'd be interesting. Actually if only Kidd and his crew were to join Luffy&Law that'd be enough. The alliance was IMO foreshadowed since Law, Luffy, Kidd vs marines at Sabaody.
.You said ALL supernovas, and Bonney, Capone and Urouge all fits into.
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I don't think at all he was referring at his family when speaking to Kuma. Just saying he was gonna get stronger and stronger.
I'm not a fan of Sanji's brother being Killer but the Tea Party can effectively be a good spot to meet, though Kidd doesn't have good relations with BigMama. Tamago had said at the fisman Island that he had sunk some of them ships.About Moriah. I've read hypothesis saying he will turn Luffy into Nightmare Luffy or something bigger. I'm sure he'll be back in Luffy's side but I have no idea what he can do.
That's fine and dandy to think but since Sanji's bounty does say ONLY ALIVE and it turns out he's a member of a legendary (in the literal sense since most people don't belive they really exist) family of assassin's, his words gain a different meaning, don't you think?
He specifically says he's gonna raise the most trouble to the marines, not to the world.Here's the page he says it, btw.
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Humm. As I said, Law, Zoro, Luffy, Killer and Kidd are directly involved against Kaido right know. These five are for sure gonna fight Kaido.
Luffy vs Kaido
Zoro vs Shogun
Law vs one calamity
Kidd vs one calamity
Killer vs one calamityIt seems alright to me. But then, does that mean Marco won't fight a calamity ? Well, I'm sure Kaido has some very strong allies, Marco, Inuarashi and Nekomamushi will be useful.
Those three captains seem to be confirmed.
Now, does Apoo gonna betray Kaido when he'll see Luffy is strong enough to beat Kaido ? Same for Drake ?
And as for Hawkins, I guess he managed to escape with Killer. Maybe they will meet Luffy and propose a bigger alliance. That'd be interesting. Actually if only Kidd and his crew were to join Luffy&Law that'd be enough. The alliance was IMO foreshadowed since Law, Luffy, Kidd vs marines at Sabaody.And about Law's plan. It seems he had one because he left his crew on Zou few days before going to PH and then started his plan. As Sanji said before coup de burst, Law seemed to have personnal grudge against Doflamingo. That's all. But his initial plan still remained Kaido.
When Luffy had said next to Law & Kidd at Sabaodt he'll be the King of pirates, their reactions insinuated they wanted to be too. Then I can only imagine that Doflamingo was indeed only a step, he sure made it personnal but his target was Kaido IMO.Hmm I haven't put much thought into the Wano arc and haven't been part of much discussion, so I love the idea of more supanova getting more time to shine and joining in on the fights so it isn't just Law Law Law.
I don't think at all he was referring at his family when speaking to Kuma. Just saying he was gonna get stronger and stronger.
I'm not a fan of Sanji's brother being Killer but the Tea Party can effectively be a good spot to meet, though Kidd doesn't have good relations with BigMama. Tamago had said at the fisman Island that he had sunk some of them ships.About Moriah. I've read hypothesis saying he will turn Luffy into Nightmare Luffy or something bigger. I'm sure he'll be back in Luffy's side but I have no idea what he can do.
I also didn't think about Moriah coming into things since he has a connection with Kaido but it makes sense. Like how Bellamy got brought back for Dressrosa to give closure to his plot with Doflamingo. So the return of Nightmare Luffy combined with Gear 4 would be amazing and wouldn't feel ass-pully because it has setup and makes sense. Sometimes characters getting convenient one-off powerups can be cheap (coughfairytailcough) but I think Nightmare Luffy was handled well since it wasn't used to deliver the finishing blow and everyone helped out in that battle.
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Leave the calamity battles to the straw hats. The Super novas should all be helping Luffy fight Kaito (the ones who join Luffy anyway). Luffy is in no way strong enough to fight Kaido 1 on 1. This is all my opinion obviously
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Leave the calamity battles to the straw hats. The Super novas should all be helping Luffy fight Kaito (the ones who join Luffy anyway). Luffy is in no way strong enough to fight Kaido 1 on 1. This is all my opinion obviously
Agreed. I doubt even Law + Kidd + Luffy + Zoro + Killer + Apoo + Hawkins are enough to take down Kaido.
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Anybody thinking that Luffy would tag-team on Kaido should read this manga again, from the beginning.
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Agreed. I doubt even Law + Kidd + Luffy + Zoro + Killer + Apoo + Hawkins are enough to take down Kaido.
I more inclined to say that Marco and Neko/Inu will take down at least 2 calamities obviously Jack being one of them for inu and neko. As for the third I have no clue. Either Zoro fights the shogun which is what I want or Law does. That would leave the almost everyone else to beat Kaido. Which is to me what will happen. Though I very much want to see the SH engage as a crew with Kaidl and show off their teamwork while everyone else takes care of the rest.
Doubt it will happen but I want a SH vs Oars fight again but with Kaido.
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Don't underestimate Kaido, he probably has some very strong allies.
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Well, it was said Kidou is strongest in a 1vs1 battle, right?
The irony is that kaidou will get defeated because it won't be a 1vs1 battle, it will be a 5vs1 battle or something, that's why.
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Humm. As I said, Law, Zoro, Luffy, Killer and Kidd are directly involved against Kaido right know. These five are for sure gonna fight Kaido.
Luffy vs Kaido
Zoro vs Shogun
Law vs one calamity
Kidd vs one calamity
Killer vs one calamityI imagine something like
Luffy, Law, Kid vs Kaido
Zoro vs Shogun
Sanji vs calamity
Killer or Marco could fight a calimity.
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The same way it was too early for luffy to defeat a 1 billion pirate alone with jack on zou, it will be too early for zoro or sanji and jimbe to solo 1 billion calamities.
so it will be teams for calamities too:
zoro, kinemon, raizou vs shogun( he is one of the calamities)
sanji, jimbe , apoo vs calamity
Hawkins, drake, killer vs calamityluffy, law, kid, momonosuke vs kaidou
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Nah, nobody's gonna team up against Kaido nor one of the calamity.
This is gonna be a 1vs1 as it has always been since the goddamn beginning of the manga.Doflamingo vs Luffy is a 1vs1 fight, the fight begins when Law is out. He fought against Doflamingo because it was Law's arc with his flashback and all, he had a personnal grudge against Doflamingo. That's why. But at the end Doflamingo cut off his arm, Luffy wasn't even here. Oda wanted to show the big gap between Luffy and Law. Law didn't stand against Doflamingo, don't expect to see him or any other supernova having a chance against Kaido ( except Luffy who's gonna beat Kaido ).
Jack's bounty doesn't mean anything against Luffy who has the same bounty as Law. Same for all strawhats, only Zoro fought since the ellipse and he didn't really fought actually. He didn't used yet his ashura techniques or opened this goddamn eye. -
is there any first page prediction? I'd put my bet on Zoro's group
and by the way, i should write to dumb predictions thread most of the time
