I still don't feel Bakugou is comparable to Sasuke. Kishi messed up by trying to make Sasuke redeemable without effort on Sasuke's behalf. Bakugou hasn't really had enough to of a character arc to explore his better traits. I don't feel like we've really seen him in a situation where his heroic side can show because he wasn't involved directly in those plot points. So far he's mostly just been pitted in training and competition against other students or been the damsel. Unfortunately he's a major jerk but other characters at least are largely aware of his flaws. Sasuke got so much forgiveness without ever apologizing or earning it despite actually trying to murder people.
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At this point in the story in Naruto, Sasuke was a way better charater. He was genuinely intrigueing, had an interesting dynamic with Naruto and even showed his positive sides especially with how he almost died protecting Naruto. It's only later down the line that he went to shit. Meanwhile Bakugo has been a shallow asshole from chapter one with zero redeeming qualities.
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Hello guys I'm new to this thread nice to meet you all. I love this manga to death and think it's awesome although it has flaws but I'm not gonna get into that right now.
What I want to talk about is the current situation with bakugou. If you are comparing him to sasuke then please stop because they are nowhere near alike. This current situation is nowhere near how sasuke was.
Also you guys think bakugou is unlikeable and I can understand that but can we point one thing here. Bakugou has no real character development yet so don't write him off as a asswhole nobody likes because he is pretty popular.
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Bakugou has had some pretty obvious character development. He was knocked down a peg and actually did end up working in a team. He's one of my favorite characters in the series because he's a "likeable" dickish character and those are really hard to write.
I'd actually compare Bakugo to Vegeta only in his wish to be the best. Vegeta doesn't have the same explosive rage, but I also don't think Bakugou would fall for the "more power!" trick because he wants his victories to be earned. (See the tournament results).
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Bakougou is an asshole as a chracter and way closer to vegeta in personality. He even share that obsession for the weakling that surpassed him(Goku & Deku). However I don't see him turning evil, not because he wants to protect people and is secretly a cool guy but because he is way to prideful for that.
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They are not the same, Vegeta was 100% pure villain at first. He became really popular and was made and addition to the main cast (and very toned down in his sociopathy) but that was clearly an afterthough by Toriyama.
I think Bakugou is simply a badly written character. The author tried so hard at making him violent and an antagonist to MC that he ended with a complete bastard of a kid without an ounce of heroic virtue.
The paralelism with Sasuke at this point is hilarious since both are the perfect examples of douchebag characters beyond redemption because their authors took their douchebaggery one step too far
I don't really think Bakugou is beyond redemption because, hey, he could've ended up being a villain like Shigaraki, but didn't.
Bakugou's one crime in the series was bullying a single person. I've seen characters redeeming themselves over far bigger things.
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How strong do you think izuku will become?
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Quick question
How strong do you think izuku will become?
You know that is the same to ask when is Luffy gonna become the Pirate King.
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I don't really think Bakugou is beyond redemption because, hey, he could've ended up being a villain like Shigaraki, but didn't.
Bakugou's one crime in the series was bullying a single person. I've seen characters redeeming themselves over far bigger things.
I wasnt talking about redemption in a literal sense but in Bakugou's value as a character, which so far has been none. In my opinion he is one of the biggest flaws of the manga and shows that Horikoshi is still green as an author.
If the manga is going to be thrown into a rescue arc the author had to built previously some emotional link between the readers and the kidnapped character, otherwise we are into Naruto's terrain of bad writing.
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You know that is the same to ask when is Luffy gonna become the Pirate King.
It's just been on my mind for a while because I know that the Bnha verse isn't that strong except for all might. Maybe it's a question for another time.
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I wasnt talking about redemption in a literal sense but in Bakugou's value as a character, which so far has been none. In my opinion he is one of the biggest flaws of the manga and shows that Horikoshi is still green as an author.
If the manga is going to be thrown into a rescue arc the author had to built previously some emotional link between the readers and the kidnapped character, otherwise we are into Naruto's terrain of bad writing.
I get what your saying but when you said this should build some emotional link between the readers and the kidnapped character why are you saying it like you are the only reader in this? I'm pretty sure some people feel sad because of bakugou getting kidnapped. I have actually seen some people rage that bakugou was kidnapped rather than say oh this is another sasuke. Bakugou is pretty damn popular so I'm pretty sure the readers at Japan and/or here feel something sad towards bakugou getting kidnapped.
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Sasuke was popular too, he was still shittiest character ever written.
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Sasuke was popular too, he was still shittiest character ever written.
True but we haven't really seen bakugou in the spotlight in a sense. Sure he has been a asswhole throughout this manga but we haven't really seen him in a heroic situation yet. When he told Deku to stay back I think he was showing concern for him. If that's true we can see that in a heroic situation he can get rid of his douchebag attitude and be a hero for once.
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If the manga is going to be thrown into a rescue arc the author had to built previously some emotional link between the readers and the kidnapped character, otherwise we are into Naruto's terrain of bad writing.
His friendship with Naruto was pretty genuine when he got kidnapped and he was actually battling with his dark side. Boom Boom is much more difficult to empathize with.
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Bakugou has had some pretty obvious character development. He was knocked down a peg and actually did end up working in a team. He's one of my favorite characters in the series because he's a "likeable" dickish character and those are really hard to write.
I'd actually compare Bakugo to Vegeta only in his wish to be the best. Vegeta doesn't have the same explosive rage, but I also don't think Bakugou would fall for the "more power!" trick because he wants his victories to be earned. (See the tournament results).
Change in personality/character doesn't really mean anything when the character's core personality is absolutely shallow asshole-ish and downright boring.
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Hello guys I'm new to this thread nice to meet you all. I love this manga to death and think it's awesome although it has flaws but I'm not gonna get into that right now.
What I want to talk about is the current situation with bakugou. If you are comparing him to sasuke then please stop because they are nowhere near alike. This current situation is nowhere near how sasuke was.
Also you guys think bakugou is unlikeable and I can understand that but can we point one thing here. Bakugou has no real character development yet so don't write him off as a asswhole nobody likes because he is pretty popular.
No level of development can ultimately make up for the insanely boring character now. Maybe Horikoshi has some big plans to explore different layers/ facets of his character and make him stand out more than just a asshole-ish rival character later on, but at the moment i have no real reason to give any shits about him.
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Change in personality/character doesn't really mean anything when the character's core personality is absolutely shallow asshole-ish and downright boring.
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No level of development can ultimately make up for the insanely boring character now. Maybe Horikoshi has some big plans to explore different layers/ facets of his character and make him stand out more than just a asshole-ish rival character later on, but at the moment i have no real reason to give any shits about him.
I have to disagree with you there. Thats like saying no level of development could make gon, in my opinion, a good character rather than being a idiot and another shonen jump character or no level of development could make vegeta a good rival rather than being an asswhole. You are right with the second part though.
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I wasnt talking about redemption in a literal sense but in Bakugou's value as a character, which so far has been none. In my opinion he is one of the biggest flaws of the manga and shows that Horikoshi is still green as an author.
If the manga is going to be thrown into a rescue arc the author had to built previously some emotional link between the readers and the kidnapped character, otherwise we are into Naruto's terrain of bad writing.
Except many people consider Sasuke's writing before the timeskip great. It's only later that stuff gets to shit.
If Bakugou was more heroic, the villains wouldn't really have any interest on him. I say it's fair that Horikoshi made him the way he is, if only because it makes sense plot-wise. We also genuinely don't know what could happen to Bakugou.
Essentially, judgement should be reserved for later, after we see where this whole thing is going. I'm sure people thought Sasuke joining Orochimaru was a great plot twist back then, not knowing of the eventual character assassination that both would end up suffering.
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Well, I personally don't think Bakugou has ever been boring. I think the series would be a little more boring without him, he gives some variety to the cast. I don't care if a character is "likeable" I care wether they are undestandable. For example, one of my favorite things has grown to be not an antagonist whose actions are excused or completely sympathetic (or they never were evil!), but one I can understand from a human perspective. It makes sense where he's coming from and why he is developing the way he is so far to me. Sasuke would've been been great if his actions made sense emotionally. They didn't to me, or at least were clumsily done. All of Bakugou's behaviour so far "makes sense" to me, from positive to negative. I don't think the story pointed out Sasuke's negative behaviour nearly as much as it should've, while it's made a clear intentional point of growth for Bakugou.
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I have to ask, is the possibility of AFO manipulating Bakugou by revealing the true nature of All Might and OFA and how Deku is the current successor so far out of the realm of possibility? A lot of people here keep saying Bakugou will never become a villain, yet none have raised the possibility that AFO has figured out that Deku is the current successor of OFA and will use that knowledge to manipulate Bakugou. No Quirks required.
Has anyone forgotten what Shigaraki mentioned at the USJ arc? He tells AFO that Deku has a similar power to All Might, and if he's watched the tournament, it wouldn't take him more than 3 minutes to put two and two together.
If AFO is as GT hyped him to be, then I'm sure he has the finest silver tongue to bend people to his will.
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I have to ask, is the possibility of AFO manipulating Bakugou by revealing the true nature of All Might and OFA and how Deku is the current successor so far out of the realm of possibility? A lot of people here keep saying Bakugou will never become a villain, yet none have raised the possibility that AFO has figured out that Deku is the current successor of OFA and will use that knowledge to manipulate Bakugou. No Quirks required.
Has anyone forgotten what Shigaraki mentioned at the USJ arc? He tells AFO that Deku has a similar power to All Might, and if he's watched the tournament, it wouldn't take him more than 3 minutes to put two and two together.
If AFO is as GT hyped him to be, then I'm sure he has the finest silver tongue to bend people to his will.
I don't think Bakugou would give a shit to whatever AFO has to say.
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Really?? Given what we've seen throughout the series, Bakugou is all about power and strength. Even his origin chapter shows that he looks up to All Might purely because of those two reasons. When he finds out All Might isn't who he's all cracked up to be, and that he found a successor in a Quirkless boy, none other than Deku himself, how do you think he's going to react?
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I have to disagree with you there. Thats like saying no level of development could make gon, in my opinion, a good character rather than being a idiot and another shonen jump character or no level of development could make vegeta a good rival rather than being an asswhole. You are right with the second part though.
Vegeta wasn't an asshole for the sake of being an asshole nor was he created for the sake of being a rival, and is just defined by that. As the story progress, the audience starts to understand and relate to his character more and more, and when his character changes that triggers an emotional response from the audience, something that is heavily missing from Bakugo's character.
I am not saying that he is a bad character, just that whatever actual "character" he has is just too paper tin, and cookie-cutter. I mean if you strip his character from the "rival" role, all you will be left with is an shallow asshole without any real depth or qualities to make him more relate-able to the audience.
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I am not saying that he is a bad character, just that whatever actual "character" he has is just too paper tin, and cookie-cutter. I mean if you strip his character from the "rival" role, all you will be left with is an shallow asshole without any real depth or qualities to make him more relate-able to the audience.
Isn't that part of Bakugo's point, though? At the beginning his wanting to be a hero was as much ego-trip as anything. A powerful Quirk, high grades, and one of the things that pissed him off in chapter one was Deku simply looking like he was threatening to take away his chance to be the first/only UA student to come out of their school. He WAS a "shallow asshole without any real depth or qualities to make him more relate-able to the audience".
Whether he STILL is that is the debatable point. My impression is no, since my takeaway from the All Might fight with Deku was realizing his ego and pride were getting in the way of his success, and failure is the thing he absolutely hates above all else.
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Well, I personally don't think Bakugou has ever been boring. I think the series would be a little more boring without him, he gives some variety to the cast. I don't care if a character is "likeable" I care wether they are undestandable. For example, one of my favorite things has grown to be not an antagonist whose actions are excused or completely sympathetic (or they never were evil!), but one I can understand from a human perspective. It makes sense where he's coming from and why he is developing the way he is so far to me. Sasuke would've been been great if his actions made sense emotionally. They didn't to me, or at least were clumsily done. All of Bakugou's behaviour so far "makes sense" to me, from positive to negative. I don't think the story pointed out Sasuke's negative behaviour nearly as much as it should've, while it's made a clear intentional point of growth for Bakugou.
As someone who genuinely finds anti-heroes, villains and anti-villains far more interesting characters then simply "good guy", i can definitely say that Bakugo is not that. He doesn't have to be likable to be a good character, he first needs to have an actual character beyond "rival asshole" to be a good character. He is in the story, and is an asshole because the story requires him to be rather than him being an asshole with reasons that audience can relate to, or/and understand why he does what he does. Strip him of that "rival" role, and you will be left with a generic paper-tin asshole.
As i said before development doesn't mean anything, and certainly doesn't make character good automatically. Sasuke and Naruto are the biggest examples of this.
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Isn't that part of Bakugo's point, though? At the beginning his wanting to be a hero was as much ego-trip as anything. A powerful Quirk, high grades, and one of the things that pissed him off in chapter one was Deku simply looking like he was threatening to take away his chance to be the first/only UA student to come out of their school. He WAS a "shallow asshole without any real depth or qualities to make him more relate-able to the audience".
Whether he STILL is that is the debatable point. My impression is no, since my takeaway from the All Might fight with Deku was realizing his ego and pride were getting in the way of his success, and failure is the thing he absolutely hates above all else.We the audience know what he did. What we didn't get is an understanding of why he did it, just that the story required him to be a cliched "hating main character guts, and wants to overshadow him badly". Imagine if Lex Luthor hated Superman …. just for the sake of it, and wanted to destroy him because PLOT demands that, not because he had his reasons. Imagine if Vagabond just started off with "here is the character, and he is going to change into this by the end. That's certainly make him a good character" ,instead what we got was a slow-paced story about Mushashi as he travels around learning more about swordsman, while also providing audience an understanding of where Mushashi comes from, why he does what he does, and the time for audience to care about his character as he starts to change and mature. That's what you call great characterization, at least to me.
That could be what Horikoshi has planned for the character, but it's just missing the absolute basic character-work for me to really give a crap about his future stuff.
Again he "might" be changing but that itself doesn't provide who he is and why he is who he is. Sasuke and Naruto technically changed too, regardless of how inconsistent and badly presented it was, but nobody will look at their characters and be like " wow these are really defined, and multi-faceted characters".
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As someone who genuinely finds anti-heroes, villains and anti-villains far more interesting characters then simply "good guy", i can definitely say that Bakugo is not that. He doesn't have to be likable to be a good character, he first needs to have an actual character beyond "rival asshole" to be a good character. He is in the story, and is an asshole because the story requires him to be rather than him being an asshole with reasons that audience can relate to, or/and understand why he does what he does. Strip him of that "rival" role, and you will be left with a generic paper-tin asshole.
As i said before development doesn't mean anything, and certainly doesn't make character good automatically. Sasuke and Naruto are the biggest examples of this.
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We the audience know what he did. What we didn't get is an understanding of why he did it, just that the story required him to be a cliched "hating main character guts, and wants to overshadow him badly". Imagine if Lex Luthor hated Superman .... just for the sake of it, and wanted to destroy him because PLOT demands that, not because he had his reasons. Imagine if Vagabond just started off with "here is the character, and he is going to change into this by the end. That's certainly make him a good character" ,instead what we got was a slow-paced story about Mushashi as he travels around learning more about swordsman, while also providing audience an understanding of where Mushashi comes from, why he does what he does, and the time for audience to care about his character as he starts to change and mature. That's what you call great characterization, at least to me.
That could be what Horikoshi has planned for the character, but it's just missing the absolute basic character-work for me to really give a crap about his future stuff.
Again he "might" be changing but that itself doesn't provide who he is and why he is who he is. Sasuke and Naruto technically changed too, regardless of how inconsistent and badly presented it was, but nobody will look at their characters and be like " wow these are really defined, and multi-faceted characters".
Thats the thing we don't know why bakugou acts like a asswhole all the time. Sure he has some superiority complex but that isn't enough for him to act like that. Remember he is one of the people who admired all might like the rest but when we say that he was mostly a good kid from my perspective. It could be when he got his quirk or something else but we don't know because we haven't gotten much of his back story yet. Think about it we know why todoroki acted like what he did before because he hated his dad and why Ida acted like he did because of his brother. We don't know why bakugou really acts like a asswhole all the time.
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Bakugo is the best character…he's no bullshit. He acts like a dick because he hates weakness. He works hard and projects strength. Deku is a good character because he works hard and doesn't care about how it fucks himself up--he cares about results and improvement. Bakugo is the same way, but more vocal about it and less humble.
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Ah, well, that's an agree to disagree then. I think he makes sense considering what we know of him so far and I really do find him interesting and entertaining. The steps of growth he's had have been pretty satisfying and this recent chapter it really seemed more of a concern than anything else from his expression.
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Bakugou has only ever really been antagonistic toward one guy, and that was Deku. We don't need some Todoroki-esque backstory to see why that is, we've already seen enough to infer why he is how he is. Bakugou was a super narcissistic product of his environment, ego overblown from excelling at everything and being surrounded by adults and kids(even pro heroes, later) alike who were singing him praises and constantly reinforcing his belief that he's some one in a million prodigy. When Deku went to help him up after he'd fallen from the log, that was a big blow to his ego… being offered help by the person he considered the weakest was incredibly condescending in his eyes - and later on, that weak quirkless guy dared to try and stand on the same stage as him by going to UA. To borrow one of Zoro's colloquialisms, Bakugou was just a frog in a well. He was on one hell of an ego-trip until Deku beat him in that first practice lesson and he caught a glimpse at how strong Todoroki was. Since then we've seen his ego deflate a little bit at a time in different instances - be it learning to actually respect others or accept criticism. Hell, he even put things aside and worked with the guy who triggers his inferiority complex and insecurities. I'd call that character development.
Sure, he might not be a super complex character, but I don't think he's one dimensional or badly written.. if his entire purpose was still being an antagonistic asshole and he acted as such 24/7 sure, but that isn't the case and he's shown plenty of growth.
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Bakugou has only ever really been antagonistic toward one guy, and that was Deku. We don't need some Todoroki-esque backstory to see why that is, we've already seen enough to infer why he is how he is. Bakugou was a super narcissistic product of his environment, ego overblown from excelling at everything and being surrounded by adults and kids(even pro heroes, later) alike who were singing him praises and constantly reinforcing his belief that he's some one in a million prodigy. When Deku went to help him up after he'd fallen from the log, that was a big blow to his ego… being offered help by the person he considered the weakest was incredibly condescending in his eyes - and later on, that weak quirkless guy dared to try and stand on the same stage as him by going to UA. To borrow one of Zoro's colloquialisms, Bakugou was just a frog in a well. He was on one hell of an ego-trip until Deku beat him in that first practice lesson and he caught a glimpse at how strong Todoroki was. Since then we've seen his ego deflate a little bit at a time in different instances - be it learning to actually respect others or accept criticism. Hell, he even put things aside and worked with the guy who triggers his inferiority complex and insecurities. I'd call that character development.
Sure, he might not be a super complex character, but I don't think he's one dimensional or badly written.. if his entire purpose was still being an antagonistic asshole and he acted as such 24/7 sure, but that isn't the case and he's shown plenty of growth.He doesn't need to be a complex character to be good. He fails at being a simple three-dimensional character. He is the second main character yet somehow even after 80 chapters he isn't a properly defined character.
His character is literally be summed by "angry kid with ego", and that's pretty one-dimensional.
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Bakugo is the best character…he's no bullshit. He acts like a dick because he hates weakness. He works hard and projects strength. Deku is a good character because he works hard and doesn't care about how it fucks himself up–he cares about results and improvement. Bakugo is the same way, but more vocal about it and less humble.
Which is pretty funny when you can sum up his entire character in few words.
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He doesn't need to be a complex character to be good. He fails at being a simple three-dimensional character. He is the second main character yet somehow even after 80 chapters he isn't a properly defined character.
His character is literally be summed by "angry kid with ego", and that's pretty one-dimensional.
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Which is pretty funny when you can sum up his entire character in few words.
You're just not seeing the complexity. He's extremely similar to Deku, but he reacts to situations in different ways. He's more multi-dimensional than the main character because he's less straightforward about how he feels in order to project the image of strength and dominance. That's what makes Bakugo deep–he and Deku are the same person in terms of their hearts and goals, but Bakugo isn't willing to show the weakness he actually feels. Deku is very transparent.
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You're just not seeing the complexity. He's extremely similar to Deku, but he reacts to situations in different ways. He's more multi-dimensional than the main character because he's less straightforward about how he feels in order to project the image of strength and dominance. That's what makes Bakugo deep–he and Deku are the same person in terms of their hearts and goals, but Bakugo isn't willing to show the weakness he actually feels. Deku is very transparent.
He maybe a foil to Deku, and be different but that in itself doesn't make him interesting, or "multi-dimensional".
Multi-dimensional characters are those that are capable of showing different layers/ facets/ sides of their characters. Bakugo's is an simple angry kid with an ego. And that's it. Nothing complex or multidimensional about that.
But as i said before he doesn't need to be complex to be a good character. Which he isn't at the moment.
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We the audience know what he did. What we didn't get is an understanding of why he did it, just that the story required him to be a cliched "hating main character guts, and wants to overshadow him badly". Imagine if Lex Luthor hated Superman …. just for the sake of it, and wanted to destroy him because PLOT demands that, not because he had his reasons. Imagine if Vagabond just started off with "here is the character, and he is going to change into this by the end. That's certainly make him a good character" ,instead what we got was a slow-paced story about Mushashi as he travels around learning more about swordsman, while also providing audience an understanding of where Mushashi comes from, why he does what he does, and the time for audience to care about his character as he starts to change and mature. That's what you call great characterization, at least to me.
Now that's just false. We know why he hates Izuku. We had an entire chapter dedicated to that.
However, we have to keep in mind that Bakugou was a full-blown antagonist (antagonist does not mean villain here) at the time, so he wasn't presented in a good light, if only to make Izuku look better (i.e., a foil) while also making himself look more threatening.
And even then, chapter 11 had a good chunk dedicated to his broken ego. Are you going to say he's not being multi-faceted there?
Also, funny of you to mention Lex Luthor, considering his initial reason for hating Superman was an accident that left him bald.
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I am not saying that he is a bad character, just that whatever actual "character" he has is just too paper tin, and cookie-cutter. I mean if you strip his character from the "rival" role, all you will be left with is an shallow asshole without any real depth or qualities to make him more relate-able to the audience.
He also views others as rivals (like Todoroki), respects Uraraka and has shown to be very intelligent when needed. Let's also not forget his disappointment over the tournament finals.
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Bakugou has only ever really been antagonistic toward one guy, and that was Deku. We don't need some Todoroki-esque backstory to see why that is, we've already seen enough to infer why he is how he is. Bakugou was a super narcissistic product of his environment, ego overblown from excelling at everything and being surrounded by adults and kids(even pro heroes, later) alike who were singing him praises and constantly reinforcing his belief that he's some one in a million prodigy. When Deku went to help him up after he'd fallen from the log, that was a big blow to his ego… being offered help by the person he considered the weakest was incredibly condescending in his eyes - and later on, that weak quirkless guy dared to try and stand on the same stage as him by going to UA. To borrow one of Zoro's colloquialisms, Bakugou was just a frog in a well. He was on one hell of an ego-trip until Deku beat him in that first practice lesson and he caught a glimpse at how strong Todoroki was. Since then we've seen his ego deflate a little bit at a time in different instances - be it learning to actually respect others or accept criticism. Hell, he even put things aside and worked with the guy who triggers his inferiority complex and insecurities. I'd call that character development.
Sure, he might not be a super complex character, but I don't think he's one dimensional or badly written.. if his entire purpose was still being an antagonistic asshole and he acted as such 24/7 sure, but that isn't the case and he's shown plenty of growth.
One instance of that happening does not guarantee him as actually growing from that instantly. We saw how Deku was able to help Todoroki about his mental insecurities, but the effects was not as drastic as Deku could've hoped for. But still, it was a start. Now with Bakugou, he's gotten a good start in development, but it's still only in early stages. Now that the VA has him, and by extension, AFO, he's in a very vulnerable position.
I'll keep saying this as many times as I can. Don't be surprised if AFO does manage to break him by using the knowledge of OFA and Deku being the current successor.
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I agree with everybody saying that Bakugou doesn't have a whole lot of depth to him, but I think, if handled correctly, this is a great opportunity to develop his character. Currently his motivation to be a hero is rather weak in comparison to the rest of the main cast and circular in reasoning- he wants to be a hero because heroes are people who don't lose. The VA is absolutely right that his quirk is suited to villain work and Kacchan will need a better reason to come back to the light side.
There's been a lot of foreshadowing towards this, specifically in the tournament where whatshisface that Deku fought had a very villainous quirk and in the way Bakugou was very clearly a heel who won the tournament anyway. It's perfectly suited for the rival to be taken and turned by the enemy just as he's developing a sense of teamwork with the protagonist, but I don't think he'll be a villain for long. Either he'll plan to betray the VA, he'll pull a Majin Vegeta just for the serious rematch with Deku, or he'll really be turned and have to have the sense beaten back into him. Either way, his stint as a villain won't be too long and he certainly won't go full Sasuke.
I'm still trying to decide why he was acting so calm as he was pulled into the warp mist. Pride, or a plan?
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I agree with everybody saying that Bakugou doesn't have a whole lot of depth to him, but I think, if handled correctly, this is a great opportunity to develop his character. Currently his motivation to be a hero is rather weak in comparison to the rest of the main cast and circular in reasoning- he wants to be a hero because heroes are people who don't lose. The VA is absolutely right that his quirk is suited to villain work and Kacchan will need a better reason to come back to the light side.
There's been a lot of foreshadowing towards this, specifically in the tournament where whatshisface that Deku fought had a very villainous quirk and in the way Bakugou was very clearly a heel who won the tournament anyway. It's perfectly suited for the rival to be taken and turned by the enemy just as he's developing a sense of teamwork with the protagonist, but I don't think he'll be a villain for long. Either he'll plan to betray the VA, he'll pull a Majin Vegeta just for the serious rematch with Deku, or he'll really be turned and have to have the sense beaten back into him. Either way, his stint as a villain won't be too long and he certainly won't go full Sasuke.
I'm still trying to decide why he was acting so calm as he was pulled into the warp mist. Pride, or a plan?
He had a hand around his neck, probably Shigaraki's, and his eyes were very stressed, also he probably didn't want Deku to get killed.
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I agree with everybody saying that Bakugou doesn't have a whole lot of depth to him, but I think, if handled correctly, this is a great opportunity to develop his character. Currently his motivation to be a hero is rather weak in comparison to the rest of the main cast and circular in reasoning- he wants to be a hero because heroes are people who don't lose. The VA is absolutely right that his quirk is suited to villain work and Kacchan will need a better reason to come back to the light side.
There's been a lot of foreshadowing towards this, specifically in the tournament where whatshisface that Deku fought had a very villainous quirk and in the way Bakugou was very clearly a heel who won the tournament anyway. It's perfectly suited for the rival to be taken and turned by the enemy just as he's developing a sense of teamwork with the protagonist, but I don't think he'll be a villain for long. Either he'll plan to betray the VA, **he'll pull a Majin Vegeta just for the serious rematch with Deku,**or he'll really be turned and have to have the sense beaten back into him. Either way, his stint as a villain won't be too long and he certainly won't go full Sasuke.
I'm still trying to decide why he was acting so calm as he was pulled into the warp mist. Pride, or a plan?
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Also, man... Can't believe DB has become so old that I'm starting to forget details of the story.... You're probably the most spot-on about Bakugou's future path. I can definitely see him pull a Majin Vegeta if AFO does manage to get through him through OFA's reveal. He'll graciously accept AFO's offer and join him, but he'll never help AFO reach his objectives and instead merely use the opportunity to defeat Deku once and for all. Once he's satisfied, he'll turn back on AFO.
There's two problems with this scenario though:
- This will further degrade Bakugou's character as a power-hungry character no different than Endeavor or AFO. But this can be offset by emulating Vegeta's character progression as has been discussed, and culminating in him realizing why Deku is the hero he is. Just like how Vegeta eventually realized that Goku is stronger because he fights for the sake of others.
- AFO is not an idiot. I'm sure he'll have prepared contingencies on the occassion Bakugou will eventually betray him. So whatever plan Bakugou's cooked up, it's going to fall like a house of cards.
On the topic of the other students' motivations: I personally think it'd be interesting if Ochako met Stain. We know that she's in it for the money (something she has shamefully admitted). That's the kind of heroes Stain would point his blade at. But in reality, she's as every bit the hero Deku is, if not more considering she ranked second in the rescue portion of the entrance exams.
I actually have this idea that All Might will meet Stain next arc, just before they mount the rescue operation. While All Might praises his intentions, he will also point out his discriminatory views, the same way he did with Tensei. In this little meeting, he'll let Ochako tag along to prove his point. This would then lure him to the protagonists' side. I also think that he may also end up asking him to watch over his students if anything happens to him.
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Also, man... Can't believe DB has become so old that I'm starting to forget details of the story.... You're probably the most spot-on about Bakugou's future path. I can definitely see him pull a Majin Vegeta if AFO does manage to get through him through OFA's reveal. He'll graciously accept AFO's offer and join him, but he'll never help AFO reach his objectives and instead merely use the opportunity to defeat Deku once and for all. Once he's satisfied, he'll turn back on AFO.
There's two problems with this scenario though:
- This will further degrade Bakugou's character as a power-hungry character no different than Endeavor or AFO. But this can be offset by emulating Vegeta's character progression as has been discussed, and culminating in him realizing why Deku is the hero he is. Just like how Vegeta eventually realized that Goku is stronger because he fights for the sake of others.
- AFO is not an idiot. I'm sure he'll have prepared contingencies on the occassion Bakugou will eventually betray him. So whatever plan Bakugou's cooked up, it's going to fall like a house of cards.
Yeah, there are several problems with the Majin Vegeta analogy based on where things currently stand, but it's certainly a possibility. Vegeta's actions were built upon hundreds of chapters of interactions with and resentment towards Goku, something that's budding between Deku and Bakugou at the moment but nowhere near mature enough. Vegeta was also repeatedly overshadowed by Goku, whereas Bakugou has gotten glory from the tournament and got to make the heroic sacrifice during exams. Also, Vegeta's identity was formerly rooted in being a villain, which made it easier for him to slide back into that role. Bakugou might secretly enjoy his image as a heel, but he's never shown any indication of actually wanting to be a villain.
In terms of developing his character and avoiding the purely power-hungry image, as you said there are plenty of ways around this, regardless of whether he wins or loses. I think my personal preference would be to recognize that their rivalry drives them both to become stronger, perhaps exemplified by Bakugou using a move based on Deku's fighting style. plenty of other avenues out there too.
AFO having contingency plans isn't an obstacle to this plotline-rabbit hole; if anything, I think it makes it more interesting. One entertaining development would be if Bakugou acts the villain, voluntarily goes back to being a hero after fighting someone, and then is immediately forced to fight against his hero allies through either blackmail or literal body control. A failed plan on Bakugou's part would add to the complexity of that future arc and teach him a potential lesson about risk and relying on your friends.
In any case, I just hope Horikoshi develops this plot slowly over multiple arcs. I'd like to see Bakugou at a couple stages in this conversion and cross paths with Deku at least once before he returns later. Horikoshi did mention that he'd have to take special care with Bakugou's character so I hope he has something good planned.
On the topic of the other students' motivations: I personally think it'd be interesting if Ochako met Stain. We know that she's in it for the money (something she has shamefully admitted). That's the kind of heroes Stain would point his blade at. But in reality, she's as every bit the hero Deku is, if not more considering she ranked second in the rescue portion of the entrance exams.
I actually have this idea that All Might will meet Stain next arc, just before they mount the rescue operation. While All Might praises his intentions, he will also point out his discriminatory views, the same way he did with Tensei. In this little meeting, he'll let Ochako tag along to prove his point. This would then lure him to the protagonists' side. I also think that he may also end up asking him to watch over his students if anything happens to him.
I'd love to see Ochako meet Stain and for Stain to confront the icon he's rallying against in All Might. I think Stain knows and respects that All Might is in the hero business for the right reasons, but that doesn't mean he'll be an ally. All Might would have to place a huge amount of trust in Stain to ask him to be the students' protector, though, and Stain hasn't really demonstrated his trustworthiness. Not that Stain isn't trustworthy, just that he hasn't really demonstrated anything that would earn All Might's trust or
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As someone noted, Stain may end up being this series' Scar. At least, that's how I see him returning to the plotline. I don't think he'll be an outright ally either. If anything, he'd be helping the protagonists/students mainly because he wants to respect All Might's hopes and last wishes.
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Bakugou already had his origin chapter and it didn't indicate villainy at all, so it wouldn't make sense for him to go Sasuke or turn into a villain without brainwashing and/or Noumuing (and even then he'd go back to being a good guy at some point).
What I want to know is why he didn't struggle at all (in he few seconds he had). Sure, Dabi had a hand on his neck; but you'd think after being stuck in a tiny ball thing knowing full well people're trying to kidnap him, he'd try and at least 'splode his way out.''
Maybe he's super genre savvy (we know he's smart, at least), and he's gonna go along with it to avoid aforementioned brainwashing and/or Noumuing. The villains just think he's a little edgelord as it is. If he gets their trust, he can easily just get some info and peace out when he gets the chance.
All aboard. We're on Kacchan's ruse cruise now.
! It'd be funny if their process of "getting him to trust them" involved having to kill one of his old friends. That's literally the easiest way he could get taken back by the heroes since all he'd have to do is give them just enough openings to take him down.
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Now that's just false. We know why he hates Izuku. We had an entire chapter dedicated to that.
However, we have to keep in mind that Bakugou was a full-blown antagonist (antagonist does not mean villain here) at the time, so he wasn't presented in a good light, if only to make Izuku look better (i.e., a foil) while also making himself look more threatening.
And even then, chapter 11 had a good chunk dedicated to his broken ego. Are you going to say he's not being multi-faceted there?
Also, funny of you to mention Lex Luthor, considering his initial reason for hating Superman was an accident that left him bald.
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He also views others as rivals (like Todoroki), respects Uraraka and has shown to be very intelligent when needed. Let's also not forget his disappointment over the tournament finals.
But that comes off as petty. I mean you can clearly see that he wasn't like that to Izuku from day-one but then suddenly just starts picking on Izuku quirk-less state, and considers himself above Izuku …. for some reason. And yes you could argue that his ego is the reason for that, but we the audience don't exactly know what really caused his ego. You could say that it was his environment, but the flashbacks don't seem to explore much of that. And he just suddenly feels he is "special" and just "awesome".
Avatar the Last Air Bender had an episode that tied the both backstories of our main character, and the main antagonist (Zuko) showing the similarities between them. Many consider that episode to be the best episode because it's show the similarities between them while also exploring/ explaining why the characters act the way they do without dumbing down either of the characters.
Chapter 9 could very well have been similar in that regards but it ended up being more about making the main character seems like a underdog, and sympathizable than about making the both characters stand on similar grounds with each having solid reasoning for acting like how they act.
His reasoning for believing or acting like how he does is just really weak. Imagine if Zoro's motivation to become the best swordsman was boiled down to "swordsman = strong" and not because he had personal reasons for doing so.
And i understand that you are supposed to learn more about characters as the story progresses, but it's already been over 80 chapters and he is the second main character whose motivation and reasoning is still weaker then side characters. He wants to be a hero because he thinks they are strong but what is the reason behind his thinking, mindset, mentality, or anything that gives the audience a better look inside his head, understand where he comes from, where he gets his beliefs from, understand how he thinks.
If the writer defined his character properly then his eventual character-growth would have been good and impactful. But as of now it just falls flat for me.
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Bakugou already had his origin chapter and it didn't indicate villainy at all, so it wouldn't make sense for him to go Sasuke or turn into a villain without brainwashing and/or Noumuing (and even then he'd go back to being a good guy at some point).
What I want to know is why he didn't struggle at all (in he few seconds he had). Sure, Dabi had a hand on his neck; but you'd think after being stuck in a tiny ball thing knowing full well people're trying to kidnap him, he'd try and at least 'splode his way out.''
Maybe he's super genre savvy (we know he's smart, at least), and he's gonna go along with it to avoid aforementioned brainwashing and/or Noumuing. The villains just think he's a little edgelord as it is. If he gets their trust, he can easily just get some info and peace out when he gets the chance.
All aboard. We're on Kacchan's ruse cruise now.
! It'd be funny if their process of "getting him to trust them" involved having to kill one of his old friends. That's literally the easiest way he could get taken back by the heroes since all he'd have to do is give them just enough openings to take him down.
No, it didn't. But will that be enough for him to resist them, especially after knowing Deku's secret?? I'm still putting my money on AFO getting through him thanks to that little secret.
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Can I say something real quick?
I know there is this whole bakugou thing but after his whole rescue arc or before it even starts what are gonna be the repercussions of Yuuei's actions specifically Aizawa. Remember what dabi said. If some punk like villains can easily attack the academy wouldn't that waver the trust with society? The only thing I can predict is that society starts questioning the heroes and we get a civil war kind of arc. I would love to see that.
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As someone noted, Stain may end up being this series' Scar. At least, that's how I see him returning to the plotline. I don't think he'll be an outright ally either. If anything, he'd be helping the protagonists/students mainly because he wants to respect All Might's hopes and last wishes.
I completely thought for a moment you meant Scar as in from the Lion King, lol.
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I don't think it will happen but i honestly would love to see it if only it portrayed it with shades of black, white and grey instead of black and white like the giant mess that was Civil War arc in the comics.
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I don't think it will happen but i honestly would love to see it if only it portrayed it with shades of black, white and grey instead of black and white like the giant mess that was Civil War arc in the comics.
Its a possibility though. Look at all the things that's happened first we have the first attempt at attacking the academy then there is stain with killing the heroes and now we have this second attempt at attacking the academy again. I'm not saying it will happen right away but society will get a bit suspicious with how the heroes act and it will keep building up and up until it reaches a breaking point. Also think back to what all might had with the conversation with deku. When quirks were introduced society wasn't all onboard with the idea of having them. There could still be people out there that still think that quirks aren't good for society.
When you say black white and grey what do you mean?
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Its a possibility though. Look at all the things that's happened first we have the first attempt at attacking the academy then there is stain with killing the heroes and now we have this second attempt at attacking the academy again. I'm not saying it will happen right away but society will get a bit suspicious with how the heroes act and it will keep building up and up until it reaches a breaking point. Also think back to what all might had with the conversation with deku. When quirks were introduced society wasn't all onboard with the idea of having them. There could still be people out there that still think that quirks aren't good for society.
When you say black white and grey what do you mean?
Yea it's a possibility but i am not sure if the author is planning on going there.
I mean like how the comic pretty much dumbed down Iron Man's side, and made them downright evil villains. If the writer is going to do something similar, it should portray both sides with pros and cons, instead of making it black and white, or good vs evil.
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Definitely think there are already hints that any schism will go the way of shades of gray. Like the fact that Stain made some "good" points and had an honorable code (that multiple people reflected on in the aftermath) and how Izuku's recently been exposed to anti-hero-but-not-necessarily-pro-villain sentiments courtesy of Kota. You don't dwell on that stuff unless it's all leading to something (hopefully…).
AFO is indisputably being set up as the first (?) big bad of the series, with no chance of redemption, but some of the other villains...like Tomura...might have more complicated arcs than we expect them to. Given the whole "he just needs a good teacher" thing.
Rewatching the Kyoto arc of Rurouni Kenshin recently- with the redemption of some of the Juppongatana, at the end- made me hope for something similar in MHA.
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Most of the jupongatana got that opportunity because their super unique skills, if it was someone less useful or with a more common or hard to use skill (or quirk) they would have been disposed.
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Right…there's no reason that couldn't happen with some of the villains, here, hypothetically. A shady backroom government deal where they work for the good of society in exchange for reduced sentences. Or even a suicide squad type setup, for that matter.
My point is if we're looking for gray, there are plenty of ways it could play out, in the end. Alternatives to "...and every villain was arrested and executed because they were all evil beyond hope."
If we're looking for unique skills, go no further than Kurogiri. It's already been stated that warping is super rare (and obviously super useful).
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But that comes off as petty. I mean you can clearly see that he wasn't like that to Izuku from day-one but then suddenly just starts picking on Izuku quirk-less state, and considers himself above Izuku …. for some reason. And yes you could argue that his ego is the reason for that, but we the audience don't exactly know what really caused his ego. You could say that it was his environment, but the flashbacks don't seem to explore much of that. And he just suddenly feels he is "special" and just "awesome".
Chapter 9 could very well have been similar in that regards but it ended up being more about making the main character seems like a underdog, and sympathizable than about making the both characters stand on similar grounds with each having solid reasoning for acting like how they act.
Pecking order. That's something that just naturally exists. If Bakugo is on the top, Deku is on the bottom. A king vs a serf. In homosocial relationships, the kid who can't do anything right is on the bottom. The one who can do everything (chosen arbitrarily depending on environment…in the case of MHA, it's Quirks and natural ability + normal boy things like skipping rocks). It enrages Bakugo to think that someone at the bottom could even think to step to him, but his ego is further crushed by Deku's blossoming ability. Chapter 9 actually didn't make me dislike Bakugo--it made me understand him more.
And i understand that you are supposed to learn more about characters as the story progresses, but it's already been over 80 chapters and he is the second main character whose motivation and reasoning is still weaker then side characters. He wants to be a hero because he thinks they are strong but what is the reason behind his thinking, mindset, mentality, or anything that gives the audience a better look inside his head, understand where he comes from, where he gets his beliefs from, understand how he thinks.
If the writer defined his character properly then his eventual character-growth would have been good and impactful. But as of now it just falls flat for me.
I don't think his motivation or reasoning is "weak"–it's just "simple." Wanting to be dominant is an extremely powerful motivator in its simplicity--that's Bakugo. I mean, yeah, maybe he's taking care of his sick imouto or something but I prefer it this way. His fight against All Might also delved deeper into his thought process--reread that to get additional insight.
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Again you are explaining the "what" part not the "why" part. I know what he thinks of Izuku and stuff but why does he think like that is what i am wondering and what's essentially missing from his character.
His character so far seems to be following a checklist, "character does this, character does that" without having the time to properly defined who he really is, and why he is who he is. We know, and perfectly understand why Izuku wants to be a hero, and surpass Bakugo while Bakugo wants to become a hero because "strong"…... And that's it. And that could be his entire motivation, but when one of main characters motivation is soooo petty and uninspiring, while even side characters have better and more personal motivation, then you know the character wasn't thought out well.
Anyway i have said all i needed to say about his character. I don't want to continue, and have arguments run in circles.