- They could have something personal against him that we don't know
I think Kidd just wants to be the only red haired pirate with a missing left arm and an iconic scar over his left eye. :ninja:
- They could have something personal against him that we don't know
I think Kidd just wants to be the only red haired pirate with a missing left arm and an iconic scar over his left eye. :ninja:
I think Kidd just wants to be the only red haired pirate with a missing left arm and an iconic scar over his left eye. :ninja:
Maybe Shanks cut his arm after Kid underestimated him because he only has one arm.:ninja:
Kid: You can t be stronger then me, you cant even clap.
Shanks: Then let s even the odds here:ninja: slash
AS for Hawkins and cruelty, at first he seems to be against needless violence as seen when he stopped one of his crewmates from assaulting a waiter for spilling food on him back in SA. But then we see Brwonbeard. Lets remember he was already in bad shape when he arrived at PH and got paralyzed by the gas. Also Hawkins said that the doesn't like joking, didn't he? (back when he first encountered Brownbeard.)
Well Brownbeard wasn't needless violence since Brownbeard was the one in the offensive.
Well Brownbeard wasn't needless violence since Brownbeard was the one in the offensive.
brownbeard was enslaving a island that whitebeard had protected hawkins was the hero in that case he is a pirate after all but brownbeard was the one egging hawkins on by trying to scare hawkins with his 80 million bounty lol.
KHA alliance is going to be the big baddie on a future ark and it will end with a big one on one battle between Luffy and Kidd.
KHA alliance is going to be the big baddie on a future ark and it will end with a big one on one battle between Luffy and Kidd.
I want this to happen so much, ever since I read the Sabaody arc. Since Luffy's made of rubber and doesn't use any weapons but his fists, I think Kid, who seems to have magnetism powers, would be a favorable matchup for him. And Zoro needs to fight Killer, because they're pretty good parallels of each other and that would be an actual challenge for Zoro (who desperately needs one).
I wonder whether Law would fight Apoo or Hawkins? I'd lean towards Hawkins because they're both from North Blue, and then Sanji could fight Apoo (legs vs. Long Arm).
I want this to happen so much, ever since I read the Sabaody arc. Since Luffy's made of rubber and doesn't use any weapons but his fists, I think Kid, who seems to have magnetism powers, would be a favorable matchup for him. And Zoro needs to fight Killer, because they're pretty good parallels of each other and that would be an actual challenge for Zoro (who desperately needs one).
I wonder whether Law would fight Apoo or Hawkins? I'd lean towards Hawkins because they're both from North Blue, and then Sanji could fight Apoo (legs vs. Long Arm).
Maybe another Supernova is going to join Luffy/Law alliance so to make it four supers against four supers
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brownbeard was enslaving a island that whitebeard had protected hawkins was the hero in that case he is a pirate after all but brownbeard was the one egging hawkins on by trying to scare hawkins with his 80 million bounty lol.
I meant Hwkins case with Brownbeard wasn't needless violence since Brownbeard was the one in the offensive.
Maybe another Supernova is going to join Luffy/Law alliance so to make it four supers against four supers
That'd be awesome, too. Which then brings us to the question of which one it would be (and I feel like that's one of the more highly debated topics when it comes to the Supernovas). I'm not even sure which one I would want it to be; probably not Bege, but the other three available choices–Bonney, Drake, and Urouge--all seem pretty interesting.
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Awesome, thanks! Just confirming, this is an official chart made by Oda & co., right? Looks like Kidpookins really is fighting Kaido, then. Wonder when we get to find out how that went.
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Urogue said he was interested in Blackbeard in the war so it makes sense for him to work under Blackbeard and Bonney joining the revolutionaries makes sense as well since they might have saved her like they saved Robin during the 2 year time skip from the island kuma sent her.
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Edited so that this image is on the first post. This helps clarify somethings. Is anyone else very curious about the bit about Akoji possibly working with Blackbeard?
This is something I've thought about. It doesn't provide an answer, but it does give us something to consider:
In Chapter 594, when Urouge is seen entering the New World, he meets an old lady on a small boat that comes up to his ship . The lady asks if he needs and umbrella. Urouge replies, "An umbrella!!?"
This is metaphor on Oda's part that is VERY clear in Japanese.
In Japanese、the word "sanka" means a "subsidiary" or "affiliate". The kanji for it are 傘(umbrella) and 下(down,under,below)"Sanka ni hairu" means to "become a subsidiary" or more figuratively: "be under the umbrella of ~"
Knowing this, it's clear that when Urouge responds, Oda's implying that he's questioning whether he should try fend for himself in the New World, or if he should work under to a stronger pirate.
However, Urouge's actual affiliations aren't really clear.
What are the shots that Urouge is the new captain in BB s crew..
They both got black beards.
He's big like the other members and he has that karma theme which isn't that far off Blackbeard's fate theme.
Also, first time we saw him after TS he's chilling next to a town that looks like it was pillaged by him. Doesn't have to mean anything but it reminded me of Blackbeard and Banaro.
I think that Bonny is Big Moms daughter, and she'll marry Sanji and become a Strawhat, and Big Mom pirates will become their allies, after Luffy shows her that he's worthy. And Law is already allied with strawhats
Kid, Apoo, Hawkins and Killer are second Supernova team, and they'll fight Kaido, and lose.
Capone has joined Big Mom, X-Drake has joined Kaido, so Urouge has probably joined Blackbeard.
Edited so that this image is on the first post. This helps clarify somethings. Is anyone else very curious about the bit about Akoji possibly working with Blackbeard?
yeah…actually it does.
I had this long argument on another discussion someone was saying that akoji is underling of BB now and other was saying he is the Number 10 captain.
now that it's became clear that they joine forces how is that work???!
I think that Bonny is Mig Moms daughter, and she'll marry Sanji and become a Strawhat, and Big Mom pirates will become their allies, after Luffy shows her that he's worthy. And Law is already allied with strawhats
Kid, Apoo, Hawkins and Killer are second Supernova team, and they'll fight Kaido, and lose.
Capone has joined Big Mom, X-Drake has joined Kaido, so Urouge has probably joined Blackbeard.
Or not marry Sanji and still join the crew, let's face it Bonnie doesn't seem the type to marry anyone.
I think that Bonny is Mig Moms daughter, and she'll marry Sanji and become a Strawhat, and Big Mom pirates will become their allies, after Luffy shows her that he's worthy. And Law is already allied with strawhats
Kid, Apoo, Hawkins and Killer are second Supernova team, and they'll fight Kaido, and lose.
Capone has joined Big Mom, X-Drake has joined Kaido, so Urouge has probably joined Blackbeard.
No way Sanji will marry in this series.
Or not marry Sanji and still join the crew, let's face it Bonnie doesn't seem the type to marry anyone.
She also doesn't seem the type to join under anyone.
This is something I've thought about. It doesn't provide an answer, but it does give us something to consider:
In Chapter 594, when Urouge is seen entering the New World, he meets an old lady on a small boat that comes up to his ship . The lady asks if he needs and umbrella. Urouge replies, "An umbrella!!?"
This is metaphor on Oda's part that is VERY clear in Japanese.
In Japanese、the word "sanka" means a "subsidiary" or "affiliate". The kanji for it are 傘(umbrella) and 下(down,under,below)"Sanka ni hairu" means to "become a subsidiary" or more figuratively: "be under the umbrella of ~"
Knowing this, it's clear that when Urouge responds, Oda's implying that he's questioning whether he should try fend for himself in the New World, or if he should work under to a stronger pirate.
However, Urouge's actual affiliations aren't really clear.
actually its clear that the only yonkou urouge would ally or join is blackbeard because he was talking about him during the end of the war.
Urouge has the karma karma paramecian fruit he has the power to take any damage he suffers and use to bulk up his body becoming stronger and then being able to deal back the damage to his enemy's as a form of karma as payback for what they did if you don't attack him then he does not get stronger.
How old is Bonnie anyway??
How old is Bonnie anyway??
Well she looked like a young adult when she had the seastone chains on when blackbeard captured her she so was not a little kid or a old lady when she ate her fruit that is for sure.
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Well she looked like a young adult when she had the seastone chains on when blackbeard captured her she so was not a little kid or a old lady when she ate her fruit that is for sure.
Seastone doesn't render the fruit useless, just inables the user from using his power. Luffy was still stretchy while submerged in sea. So it's possible seastone wouldn't restore her actual age at all. Depending on how it works, her age shouldn't change.
We would need Blackbeard to touch her to verify. Actually, now that I think about it, we did see him touching her face on that same island and there was no change.
Seastone doesn't render the fruit useless, just inables the user from using his power. Luffy was still stretchy while submerged in sea. So it's possible seastone wouldn't restore her actual age at all. Depending on how it works, her age shouldn't change.
We would need Blackbeard to touch her to verify. Actually, now that I think about it, we did see him touching her face on that same island and there was no change.
I was thinking more about blackbeard beating her up and using his fruit on her then chaining her up since she most likely turned the black pirates into little kids or old people and he would have to turn her power off with his to disable her power either way it seems to be her base form she seems to use her fruit like a zoan even though its not a zoan using her old form to steal a pizza and her little kid form to run away with the pizza she was introduced in that form as well also i don't think oda would have blackbeard asking her to be his woman if she was a little kid.
Bonney is over 800 from the void century which is why Oda did not state her age since it would be a major spoiler this is not the first time its been posted it would be like Oda saying that one piece is the ancient weapon Roger took that Crocodile was looking for and Shiki had a fight with Roger over asking where he put it since Roger put it on Raftel for the person he was waiting for hint someone with a D in their name like Luffy.
Seastone doesn't render the fruit useless, just inables the user from using his power. Luffy was still stretchy while submerged in sea. So it's possible seastone wouldn't restore her actual age at all. Depending on how it works, her age shouldn't change.
We would need Blackbeard to touch her to verify. Actually, now that I think about it, we did see him touching her face on that same island and there was no change.
Wait, so if Blackbeard was to touch Chopper, he would turn back into his reindeer form??
Wait, so if Blackbeard was to touch Chopper, he would turn back into his reindeer form??
Once blackbeard stops touching someone they go back to normal like when he touched luffy and turned him human and he liked touching bonney so much that he even asked her to be his woman lol.
Seastone doesn't render the fruit useless, just inables the user from using his power. Luffy was still stretchy while submerged in sea. So it's possible seastone wouldn't restore her actual age at all. Depending on how it works, her age shouldn't change.
Considering that her age-changing is self-inflicted, it should devolve her to her true age.
Compare with Sugar, who has no real control over her young age, with it being a passive effect not unlike Luffy's rubber body.
Or not marry Sanji and still join the crew, let's face it Bonnie doesn't seem the type to marry anyone.
I agree, but that is exactly why I want her to join, it will be a political marriage, and I can see many comic relief situation arsing from this situation. She'll make him cook for her, and otherwise will not give a f**k about him, but will still get jealous and beat him up whenever he tries to engage with other women.
Poor Sanji lol
If Urouge is the new captain in BB' pirates crew, then he should be the enemy of Sanji.
Aldo, he seems too similar with Burgess, close combat beefcake fighter.
Urouge is a revolutionary.
Well, in light of the most recent chapter, I think this thread deserves bumping, now that a major rival alliance to the StrawHearts has clearly been shaken up.
Apoo:
What we know: That Apoo is working for Kaido in some form, and called him "Lord Kaido".
What we don't know: Whether he has been working for Kaido since before joining the Kidpookins Alliance, or joined in self-preservation during their encounter with him.
Kid:
Don't know anything for sure, but it looks like he could be imprisoned by Kaido. (We've seen pants and boots that look like his on a person who seems to be locked up behind bars, but the panel doesn't offer any decisive indicators.) Killer:
What we know: Absolutely freakin' nothing. Hawkins:
What we know: Absolutely freakin' nothing.
So now this adds twists to previous theories. There were some suggestions that Luffy, Law, and Kid could team up again, and if Kid is truly being held by Kaido right now, I'd say the chances of that happening (eventually) are increased. Then there's also the question of whether everybody betrayed Kid for Kaido, Apoo betrayed everybody for Kaido, or somewhere in between. I'm hoping Killer's not enough of a bastard to betray his captain, though.
So now it also looks like Kaido's got at least two Supernovas (Drake and Apoo) working for him. It'd be interesting if they were always in the league together.
Can't wait to see what happens with this, though!
If it did end up with everyone betraying kid
It would end up with Luffy-Zoro-Law-Kidd vs Drake-Killer-Hawkins-Apoo Super brawl. XD
If it did end up with everyone betraying kid
It would end up with Luffy-Zoro-Law-Kidd vs Drake-Killer-Hawkins-Apoo Super brawl. XD
That would be awesome, although Luffy's team would definitely win. Supernovas dukin' it out!
I think Killer would follow his captain and in that case it would really help to bolster the alliance against Kaido even further…. I find it amazing that we are already gonna fight a yonko this early into the New World and i don't think anyone in the alliance is ANYWHERE near the right strength unless Luffy has still got something extremely large up his sleeve......
My point is that they are gonna need all the help they can get.
I wouldn't be surprised if Killer is the new captain and betrayed Kid. It would give him more purpose instead of just being a sidekick of Kid.
I think Killer would follow his captain and in that case it would really help to bolster the alliance against Kaido even further…. I find it amazing that we are already gonna fight a yonko this early into the New World and i don't think anyone in the alliance is ANYWHERE near the right strength unless Luffy has still got something extremely large up his sleeve......
My point is that they are gonna need all the help they can get.
Depends on how you look at it, we're already about halfway in the NW and there are still two arcs (if the Marco and Weevil thing will have an arc of its own, otherwise one) before Wano. Luffy developed his best Paradise techniques around this point content-wise.
I wouldn't be surprised if Killer is the new captain and betrayed Kid. It would give him more purpose instead of just being a sidekick of Kid.
It's like saying that Zoro is "only" Luffy's sidekick.
I think Killer would follow his captain and in that case it would really help to bolster the alliance against Kaido even further…. I find it amazing that we are already gonna fight a yonko this early into the New World and i don't think anyone in the alliance is ANYWHERE near the right strength unless Luffy has still got something extremely large up his sleeve…...
My point is that they are gonna need all the help they can get.
I already find it absurd that the animals on the island Luffy trained on are already so strong that Luffy was able to develope Gear Forth and that it could rival Doflamingo. (By comparison the seaking in chapter 1 was onepunched by Luffy, a freaking seaking is apparently weaker than those animals). Now the animals being actually stronger, so that Luffy could develope a technique that could defeat a Yonko is just terrible terrible writing.
I already find it absurd that the animals on the island Luffy trained on are already so strong that Luffy was able to develope Gear Forth and that it could rival Doflamingo. (By comparison the seaking in chapter 1 was onepunched by Luffy, a freaking seaking is apparently weaker than those animals). Now the animals being actually stronger, so that Luffy could develope a technique that could defeat a Yonko is just terrible terrible writing.
That was no Sea King. More like an overgrown moray eel.
I already find it absurd that the animals on the island Luffy trained on are already so strong that Luffy was able to develope Gear Forth and that it could rival Doflamingo. (By comparison the seaking in chapter 1 was onepunched by Luffy, a freaking seaking is apparently weaker than those animals). Now the animals being actually stronger, so that Luffy could develope a technique that could defeat a Yonko is just terrible terrible writing.
You're making some odd assumptions, then making even more odd assumptions based on the previous assumptions. Then you try to claim Oda's a terrible writer because you've become lost in your own head-canon.
Rayleigh made sport of those animals without even moving from his spot. Luffy was still a scrub that couldn't use haki or take down a single pacifista on his own. Those animals weren't Toriko absurd, they were just strong enough to be punching bags for Luffy to get his haki up and they just so happen to inspire him to make a new "gear."
You're not trying to connect the dots to see how things work, you're trying to dig holes to make sure it can't work.
I already find it absurd that the animals on the island Luffy trained on are already so strong that Luffy was able to develope Gear Forth and that it could rival Doflamingo. (By comparison the seaking in chapter 1 was onepunched by Luffy, a freaking seaking is apparently weaker than those animals). Now the animals being actually stronger, so that Luffy could develope a technique that could defeat a Yonko is just terrible terrible writing.
To my understanding Those monsters were tanks, their resistance and agility were what made Luffy come up with G4, also who says that those Monsters are remotely close to Doflamingo's strength?
It's like saying that Zoro is "only" Luffy's sidekick.
I can't agree with you. We're following Zoro throughout the story and see his dreams and the progress he made. He's not only a brute with swords; he aims to be the best, and not only for himself, but for his captain/crew. He's one of our protagonists.
Killer on the other hand; we know nothing about him. He looks cool yes, but that's just it. I'm not saying I don't take him seriously because he ain't no captain. I'm saying that an action like betraying Kid, or showing his true goals and motivations would make him a bit more interesting. He is one of the Worst Generation; but in my eyes the most boring by far.
I already find it absurd that the animals on the island Luffy trained on are already so strong that Luffy was able to develope Gear Forth and that it could rival Doflamingo. (By comparison the seaking in chapter 1 was onepunched by Luffy, a freaking seaking is apparently weaker than those animals). Now the animals being actually stronger, so that Luffy could develope a technique that could defeat a Yonko is just terrible terrible writing.
You need to think you're comparing a east blue monster to stuff from the grand lines calm belt where real sea kings live you know the massive things from fishman island that the mermaid princess who is one of the 3 ancient weapons can control they're sea kings the thing hanging around luffy's home island was just a sea monster.
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I can't agree with you. We're following Zoro throughout the story and see his dreams and the progress he made. He's not only a brute with swords; he aims to be the best, and not only for himself, but for his captain/crew. He's one of our protagonists.
Killer on the other hand; we know nothing about him. He looks cool yes, but that's just it. I'm not saying I don't take him seriously because he ain't no captain. I'm saying that an action like betraying Kid, or showing his true goals and motivations would make him a bit more interesting. He is one of the Worst Generation; but in my eyes the most boring by far.
I can see killer staying with Kidd he would have a better name than killer if he was going to leave kidd besides kidd joining forces with kaido makes sense since shanks was kidd's first target anyways..