Chopper's forms
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Yup, chapter 94.
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A question about clarification. When Luffy said he wanted about 10 crewmates way back when, was it ten plus himself, or ten altogether?
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A question about clarification. When Luffy said he wanted about 10 crewmates way back when, was it ten plus himself, or ten altogether?
Ten plus himself.
Which nicely fits in with Oda's love of soccer (11 players on a team).
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What is the consensus here regarding the final number of Luffy's crew? Eleven as in a soccer team or Thirteen as in Four each from East Blue, Grandline and New World excluding Luffy?
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@$;3515113']or Thirteen as in Four each from East Blue, Grandline and New World excluding Luffy?
We only got 3 SHs from the grand line though? (Chopper, Robin & Brook).
Also, considering the current gap between nakama, it's very unlikely that we're going to get 4 more in The New World.
Especially considering how close we are to the business end of the story in relative terms.
The general consensus for the final number of SHs is 11, Luffy and 10 nakama.
The 3 best arguments that single this number out are;
- Luffy states at the beginning of his journey that he'd ideally like to recruit 10 crew members.
- Oda is a massive soccer fan, 11 players to a soccer team.
- Blackbeard, the stuck on final villain of the series, has 10 "Giant Captains" underneath him, making for a final villainous crew of 11.
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@$;3515113']What is the consensus here regarding the final number of Luffy's crew? Eleven as in a soccer team or Thirteen as in Four each from East Blue, Grandline and New World excluding Luffy?
I'd like to see the latter one personally.
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We only got 3 SHs from the grand line though? (Chopper, Robin & Brook).- Blackbeard, the stuck on final villain of the series, has 10 "Giant Captains" underneath him, making for a final villainous crew of 11.
But Franky was recruited in Water7 which is on Paradise. And BB can always increase his crew just like he did during timeskip also Aokiji.
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@$;3515118']But Franky was recruited in Water7 which is on Paradise.
Bloody hell, I forgot about Franky.
Wow.
Anyway my points still stand in terms of how close we are to the end of story and that we're unlikely to get another 4 nakama.
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And BB can always increase his crew just like he did during timeskip also Aokiji.It'd be weird for Oda to go to the trouble of adding a new Blackbeard over the timeskip, while Teach was conquering The New World to then add again after the timeskip.
The Blackbeards are already a Yonko class crew, ruling over parts of The New World and hunting for DFs to strengthen their existing members.
Kuzan seems to be allied with The Blackbeard Pirates, not actually a member of the crew.
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Okay then but is there a probablity of an alien joining the crew concerning one of Usopp's lies about an alien shopkeeper?
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@$;3515122']Okay then but is there a probablity of an alien joining the crew concerning one of Usopp's lies about an alien shopkeeper?
Why would said alien shopkeeper need to join the crew?
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Why would said alien shopkeeper need to join the crew?
No specific reason but they have a were-reindeer, a cyborg and a skeleton and going to get a fishman soon. So I thought an alien would make a nice addition. Also chapter 795 and Enel's coverstory show that it is possible to get to space with balloons and aliens exist in One Piece universe. Also two more interesting points regarding outer space : 1. Automata were manufactured by both Aliens and people Karakuri i.e. Vegapunk's hometown and 2. Aliens wear some clock like device attached to them just like Tenryubito.
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@$;3515126']No specific reason but they have a were-reindeer, a cyborg and a skeleton and going to get a fishman soon. So I thought an alien would make a nice addition. Also chapter 795 and enel's coverstory show that it is possible to get to space with balloons and aliens exist in One Piece universe.
I'm not disputing that Aliens exist in the OP universe.
I just don't see why this shopkeeper would need to be a crew member.
Sure an alien would continue the diverse theme of the SHs, but there's already been and will continue to be many races missing from their ranks.
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Its actually 4 from Grand line :happy: (Chopper, Robin, Brook and Franky)
Edit: Wow, never mind. I had left this page open so I didn't see the newest replies sorry.
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If we get one new world native is enough, but then again, unless my ancient nami theories are right (they aren't) we didn't get a sky island native either.
Sanji from north
Luffy, zoro, usopp and nami from east
Robin and brook from west
Franky from south
Chopper from the grand line
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@$;3515113']What is the consensus here regarding the final number of Luffy's crew? Eleven as in a soccer team or Thirteen as in Four each from East Blue, Grandline and New World excluding Luffy?
If we go by Location of birth, we have at least one member covering each Blue, Chopper is from GL. If Jinbe joins we even have a member from between paradise and NW, so only a NW-SH-member is missing. I'd prefer a giant Girl from Elbaf (no crying stereotype-damsel-princess I hope).
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IMO CC is a good canditate for SH-nakama too. He already had a flashback and his dream is pretty obvious and as hard to reach as any other SH's:
surviving the furious revenge of both BigMom and Kaidou. An impossible Task for normal OP-human-Standards. ;)
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So, what do these 2 extra strawhats could possibly bring to the final 1 on 1 battles against Blackbeard and 10 of his top men?
Also, how jimbe is trully a monster? He's prety down to earth and normal by fishman standards, and while the strongest fishman karate user that we have seen, he wasn't called that by anyone. Chopper and zoro aren't monsters in the same category, chopper is a monster because he's unique while zoro is a monster for his overwhelming strength. While usopp is creative and resourceful, Franky is a genius, and sanji wasn't "hell themed" until fishman island. And Brook is "neutral afterlife themed" if anything.
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My theory of 4+4+4 is not based on place of birth rather it is on place of recruitment. One more thing I felt in support of my theory was that Oda said that Nakama will join successively in one of his latest interviews. I also thought there was a pattern with the 4+4+4. I thought 11th will be some broker, 12th Alien Shopkeeper who invents, 13th some Minkman(of Bepo and Pekoms' race).
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Franky is called pervert a lot.
Robin didn't betray but abandon
Usopp did betray
Zoro and jimbe aren't outcast by any sense of the word.
Calling usopp's 3 friends a "gang", specially compared to the Franky family of over 100 individuals and actual notoriety just doesn't click.You can pair any two strawhats and call it a pattern this way, and that's not how authors work, if the story leads to someone joining before jimbe, would you claim that he's a girl to support it?
And you don't address the most important points, what the author said and what the endgame is.
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@$;3515173']My theory of 4+4+4 is not based on place of birth rather it is on place of recruitment. One more thing I felt in support of my theory was that Oda said that Nakama will join successively in one of his latest interviews. I also thought there was a pattern with the 4+4+4. http://i.imgur.com/iU5nrwi.jpg I thought 11th will be some broker, 12th Alien Shopkeeper who invents, 13th some Minkman(of Bepo and Pekoms' race).
This is not a terrible theory, but Luffy wanting atleast 10 members and Blackbeard having 10 crew members is a strong hint that there is only 2 crew mates left.
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This is not a terrible theory, but Luffy wanting atleast 10 members and Blackbeard having 10 crew members is a strong hint that there is only 2 crew mates left.
Not only that, but if Luffy gets 4 more nakama in the NW, when should Oda establish their unique personalities? There is enough §hit to get done without showing this new one's quirk and that one's funny ability. I do like your ideas for new chars (Alien shopkeeper sounds pretty cool), but Luffy won't have more than 10 crewmates. And the BB-Dilemma with BB havin 11 members including Kuzan I can only say: BB himself bckstabbed WB's Crew, so he shouldn't be surprised if anyone was to backstab him, especially Kuzan.
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Franky is called pervert a lot.Robin didn't betray but abandonUsopp did betrayZoro and jimbe aren't outcast by any sense of the word.Calling usopp's 3 friends a "gang", specially compared to the Franky family of over 100 individuals and actual notoriety just doesn't click.You can pair any two strawhats and call it a pattern this way, and that's not how authors work, if the story leads to someone joining before jimbe, would you claim that he's a girl to support it? And you don't address the most important points, what the author said and what the endgame is.
English is not my first language and not even my second. It is my third language so forgive me for my bad choice of words but let me explain. Nami and Robin joined the crew but switched allegiance where as Usopp left due to a difference of opinion which I don't classify as betrayal. I used the word Outcast in the sense that people do not mingle with them due to apprehension or fear or prejudice. People were afraid of Zoro, Prejudiced against Chopper and Jinbe was not allowed on FI. Usopp and Franky were leaders of their groups irrespective of strength and composition. Author said that there will be Nakama joining successively in a recent interview. And Oda has expanded his manga length contrary to what he said regarding the ending many times in the past. Finally Blackbeard can always recruit more Nakama as the story progresses just like Luffy.
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Not only that, but if Luffy gets 4 more nakama in the NW, when should Oda establish their unique personalities? There is enough §hit to get done without showing this new one's quirk and that one's funny ability. I do like your ideas for new chars (Alien shopkeeper sounds pretty cool), but Luffy won't have more than 10 crewmates. And the BB-Dilemma with BB havin 11 members including Kuzan I can only say: BB himself bckstabbed WB's Crew, so he shouldn't be surprised if anyone was to backstab him, especially Kuzan.
I agree with you on Kuzan and I have faith in Oda that he will manage to get all things done.
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@$;3515190']English is not my first language and not even my second. It is my third language so forgive me for my bad choice of words but let me explain. Nami and Robin joined the crew but switched allegiance where as Usopp left due to a difference of opinion which I don't classify as betrayal. I used the word Outcast in the sense that people do not mingle with them due to apprehension or fear or prejudice. People were afraid of Zoro, Prejudiced against Chopper and Jinbe was not allowed on FI. Usopp and Franky were leaders of their groups irrespective of strength and composition. Author said that there will be Nakama joining successively in a recent interview. And Oda has expanded his manga length contrary to what he said regarding the ending many times in the past. Finally Blackbeard can always recruit more Nakama as the story progresses just like Luffy.
Jimbe was leader of his own group like Franky, was famous before the strawhats even formed like Brook and Robin, has a name that's directly a word in japanese like Nami and Sanji.
Brook is a swordsman like Zoro, and has purgatory themed attacks like him, has a strong link to his hair and can hide stuff in his body as Franky.
Usopp's leaving of the crew is more of a betrayal than Robin's because it was open and direct and with full intention of it.
Sanji more than anyone is closer to Zoro
The Zoro prejudice was something seen in less than one volume, while Jimbe is a self impossed exile and Chopper is a defining character trait.You can pair up any two characteristics of the crew and call it a pattern, that doesn't support your theory based on asuming that an author likes to repeat themselves.
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@$;3515173']My theory of 4+4+4 is not based on place of birth rather it is on place of recruitment. One more thing I felt in support of my theory was that Oda said that Nakama will join successively in one of his latest interviews. I also thought there was a pattern with the 4+4+4. http://i.imgur.com/iU5nrwi.jpg I thought 11th will be some broker, 12th Alien Shopkeeper who invents, 13th some Minkman(of Bepo and Pekoms' race).
Very arbitrary criteria list besides the 4+4+4 to be honest. Robin could be seen as an outcast monster as well as Brook. Usopp betrayed the SH's at Enies Lobby in Zoro and Sanji's eyes at the very least. Jinbe was very much a gangleader. Robin and Nami's critria seem very arbitrary as well.
Some random pairing criteria while keeping location of joining in mind:
Swordsman: Zoro, Brook, ???
Melee combat: Sanji, Robin, Jinbe
Ranged weapons: Usopp, Franky, ???
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Oda went out of his way to place strawhats all around the world, Sanji didn't need to be from north blue other than to tell the Norland Story, in a point where Robin could tell it as well, the same with Franky who is from South Blue, but nothing of consequence has come out of it. Yet.
At least Brook had to pass through the Reverse mountain, and Robin be an outcast for her powers, needing to be from a Blue.
That makes it very odd that there's no sky islander, even if I were to count Jimbe from the new world.
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Oda went out of his way to place strawhats all around the world, Sanji didn't need to be from north blue other than to tell the Norland Story, in a point where Robin could tell it as well, the same with Franky who is from South Blue, but nothing of consequence has come out of it. Yet. At least Brook had to pass through the Reverse mountain, and Robin be an outcast for her powers, needing to be from a Blue. That makes it very odd that there's no sky islander, even if I were to count Jimbe from the new world.
Are Sky Islanders technically aliens as implied in Enel's cover story?
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They hail from one of the moons, so yeah.
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If we accept that, then the D's are most likely descends from them.
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This is more like a "question about if this topic can get a thread": Can we make one to discuss the fate of the Kid Alliance? Would cover theories and headcanons of why Kid chose Hawkins and Apoo, why they chose Shanks, what will happen against Kaido, and so on
Can we make it a thing?
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First of all, excuse me for my bad English, is not my mother language.
Answering the above post:
- Kid chose Hawkins and Apoo because they are the strongest newbies. I think Kid sees Law and Luffy as their potential rivals to accomplish his dream (become the pirate king).
- Maybe the alliance chose Shanks because Hawkins saw more probability of success, or less probability of die.
- Kaido will find out that DF was defeated and he lost his Smile provider. Is possible that he'll join the alliance to defeat Shanks. Shanks kept out Kaido from MF.
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Kid didn't chose anybody, wasn't killer the creator of the group?
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Kid didn't chose anybody, wasn't killer the creator of the group?
Indeed he was.
He was also the one who stopped Kidd and Apoo from tearing each other apart after Apoo wrecked the hideout.
I'm pretty happy with Killer not being a steretypical meathead slice and dicer, like his actions on Saboady (and name) suggested.
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- Kid chose Hawkins and Apoo because they are the strongest newbies. I think Kid sees Law and Luffy as their potential rivals to accomplish his dream (become the pirate king).
Law was shichibukai and Luffy was impossible to find when the alliance was established. So nothing say they weren't excluded for that rather than being to weak or being rivals.
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Does anybody else feels wierd that the 12 saijo o wazamono( like kokutou yoru ) haven't even featured so far in the storyline?
I would have expected after the break up from sabaody archipelago that there would be more focus on the best 12, 21 or 50 swords.
I feel like the opponents that come up should be swordmen that use good swords, and of course part of the yonko crew to have some of the greatest swords ever.
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Does anybody else feels wierd that the 12 saijo o wazamono( like kokutou yoru ) haven't even featured so far in the storyline?
I would have expected after the break up from sabaody archipelago that there would be more focus on the best 12, 21 or 50 swords.
I feel like the opponents that come up should be swordmen that use good swords, and of course part of the yonko crew to have some of the greatest swords ever.
I thought it was just me because i haven't really seen anyone posting about this, so sorry in advance if somebody already covered this part.The rest of Zoro's and Tashigi's subplot will propably be filled in Wano.
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Does anybody else feels wierd that the 12 saijo o wazamono( like kokutou yoru ) haven't even featured so far in the storyline?
I would have expected after the break up from sabaody archipelago that there would be more focus on the best 12, 21 or 50 swords.
I feel like the opponents that come up should be swordmen that use good swords, and of course part of the yonko crew to have some of the greatest swords ever.
I thought it was just me because i haven't really seen anyone posting about this, so sorry in advance if somebody already covered this part.Cavendish had one. But I think since we just entered the new world we can wait a little. We only saw them with pure swordsman and only Cavendish and Hyouzou were swordsman recently.
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Cavendish had one. But I think since we just entered the new world we can wait a little. We only saw them with pure swordsman and only Cavendish and Hyouzou were swordsman recently.
It's confirmed that Cavendish have a saijo o wazamono? His sword looks like a sable not a katana.
I think that these swords will be shown on / by:
- We'll see at least one saijo o wazamono in Wano arc.
- Most of the vice admirals are swordsmen, maybe one of them have a saijo o wazamono.
- Shilliew or/and Vista could have another.
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Does the chapter 99 calls them swords or katanas?
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It's confirmed that Cavendish have a saijo o wazamono? His sword looks like a sable not a katana.
From CCC spoilers in 708 "Cavendish whips out one of the most prominent meitou ("famous blades," like the ones Tashigi is after), "Durandal," and stops Chinjao"
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From CCC spoilers in 708 "Cavendish whips out one of the most prominent meitou ("famous blades," like the ones Tashigi is after), "Durandal," and stops Chinjao"
I reviewed the chapter, it's true that his sword is a Meito. But doesn't mean that it's a Saijo o Wazamono, even Zoro haven't one of them yet.
Prediction: Zoro will exchange Shusui for Shodai Kitetsu in Wano's arc
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Does Vista has some of these legendary weapons? His swords looked pretty generic. Maybe he is not a fan of this sword-mumbo-jumbo.
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I reviewed the chapter, it's true that his sword is a Meito. But doesn't mean that it's a Saijo o Wazamono, even Zoro haven't one of them yet.
Prediction: Zoro will exchange Shusui for Shodai Kitetsu in Wano's arc
Correction: Sandai Kitetsu for Nidai Kitetsu
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Correction: Sandai Kitetsu for Nidai Kitetsu
Shusui is the Wano's national treasure. They would want the treasure back. In exchange they will give Shodai or Sandai Kitetsu.
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Shusui is the Wano's national treasure. They would want the treasure back. In exchange they will give Shodai or Sandai Kitetsu.
But Zoro isn't the kind of person that wants to get the most powerful swords, probably he won't give any of his swords.As you said.
There is no way EVER Zoro to give Wado or Shusui
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I kind of want for zoro to get a new sword, one made for him, that he meets a blacksmith in wano that wants to recover ryuma's sword and craft him a new one. One outside ranks and pomp.
I think is better to zoro to acknowledge the culture than for the culture to acknowledge zoro, or for zoro to keep on using it with the permission of a ghost of a ghost.
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What Chapter was the Giraffe colour spread?