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Chapter 796: The Soldiers Decision
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Thoughts?
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It's just Kaido-brand clothing. He's also got a high-end "Invincible" sportswear line ("The Strongest There Is"), the "Hundred Beast Collection" line of perfumes ("Embrace Your Wild Side"), and he's just rolling out his new "Emperor" luxury suits ("Declare Your War").
Kaido just dropped by Kidd's base to sell his merchandise and inquire about a possible photoshoot.
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I think they are, those faults are something the other Straw Hats comment upon. E.g. When Brook was talking to himself (entertained himself) Franky noted it and when Robin is reading while doing something else they often comment on it. I mean Robin does drink coffee all the time at nights, but nobody has ever said anything about it so it can't be it.
Overall I would say Jinbe is either a sleepwalker who will go with Luffy to rob the fridge or this another heavy hint towards Bonney. And I can't believe we are getting another greedy member, although like you said it could just be that they likes money so that they can donate it.
That would be pretty hilarious lol. Let me use this to clear up a little something for everyone by the way, the Five Precepts are about morality, sixth and above are about discipline - I'm guessing it's also why they're older members after Chopper.
great!i especially like your take on the dynamic between sanji and zoro.if we look at before the ts,i think this also fits in with many of their roles and actions.sanji decided to play mr. prince,using cunning and strategy which really helped out the shs.zoro decided to take on 100 bounty hunters in whiskey peak by himself,so that the others could rest.likewise,many of their actions had similar motives,but quite different methodology.so(which is why sanji is proficient in observation,and zoro in armament).so their appearance being shown as contrasting to their previous mentality after ts shows a sort of growth.
but,do you think that means their roles will change?as in,now sanji is more likely to do actions that zoro would have done earlier,and vice versa?
personally,i don't think so,just wanted to know your thoughts.
also,about the health benefits(exaggerated) of food,as we have been explicitly shown that sanji has learned a lot of new recipies from iva,what potential use do you see for them,apart from the obvious fitness,health and endurance?do you think that there is a chance that some recipes will affect each crew member distinctly,and cause specific changes?i am really interested in these recipes,and how they are used.Thank you. To answer your first question, personally I also don't see a huge difference happening, after all it'd be like changing their whole character and nature. What I was getting at is mostly just about the influence. After the time skip, Zoro is more cautious and in positions when he's shown his ability to analyze like in Ryugu Palace and telling Luffy to be careful in Punk Hazard. Sanji on the other hand is put into positions that makes him more reckless, unlike his usual disappearing acts from before the time skip, time and time again it always leads to some kind of trouble after the time skip. Of course they're examples that are always in character and present even before the time skip but it's being played as some sort of development to covering what the other lack.
After all, when you compare it to their pre-Grand Line selves, Zoro relied MOSTLY on brute force with a headstrong nature while Sanji got around on brute force but with some caution and suave analytical skills. Might not mean much right? But think about when Ki was introduced for each of them after the Grand Line. Zoro in Alabasta against Mr. 1, that was the biggest growth to him, both mentally and spiritually as he was becoming loyal to Luffy, wondering how the others are doing while in the middle of being cut by Mr. 1. For Sanji, it's hard to say if he's always had such an attack learned but when he first revealed some sort of Ki was in Enies Lobby and he was in extreme anger over a comment towards a friend. Both examples requires not only self-awareness but selflessness.
As for your other question about 'Cuisine of Dominance'.
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[/hide]How it was introduced basically tells you that it's important to not only your body but your character – there's just too many similarities to Haki but I won't get into that. Sanji comments on that he could help improve his friends physique by the food he makes every day. So to answer your question, yes it's safe to assume Sanji does take into account individual crew members for their specific diet but would Oda show that? I doubt it, since it's an every day thing. However, when one of the Vital Recipe was first shown at the end of Punk Hazard, Sanji states that it's specific type - "Revival". [While I do believe what you eat helps shape you, to be frank though, I think the idea is a way for Oda to tell not only tell us that "Hey this series has health food benefits taken into account!" but also possibly open up RPG-style pots and buffs lol.
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It's actually more like the warning sign for Punk Hazard, you know, where they experiment with giants and had a giant skull revealed.
Because that exact scenario you outlined of Zoro and Sanji being opposite to what they were pre-timeskip happened to some of the protagonists in the most recent chapters in seven deadly sins in order for them to "improve" their skills in battle. Frighteningly similar, almost word for word of what you wrote happened lol sorry didn't mean to confuse you.
I'll take your word for it but the way you're describing it, it seems pretty blatant lol.
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What about that scene on amazon lily where Jinbei is stuffing his face on a meal Boa Hancock brought for luffy?
Maybe. I thought of that scene too and it is possible since Jinbei did say along the lines of "To eat is to live", though whether or not that was due to make Luffy eat is up for interpretation. I'm not against the idea though but remember.. Hancock only let him eat a handful (cause they were for Luffy) if I recall.
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I really need to wait for that next chapter this week. :) What's the worst thing that can happen?
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Rip. 1776 to 2049 lol
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Alright time to show you something that might be interesting! I've read a news article about three years ago,(On Thursday, February 2, 2012, 9:10:12 AM to be more precise) it was about the D. and System-D! I connected the dots immediately, could be completely unrelated, but the similarities were shocking.
So Here goes!
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This off-the-books economy is referred to as System-D, a name that grew out of French speaking parts of Africa and the Caribbean where the practice has been prevalent for years. The D is short for débrouillard, a French word used to describe particularly effective and motivated people.
In 2012 nearly half of the worlds labor force is employed by System-D and those numbers are growing steadily, as are the revenues it generates.
The D is short for débrouillard(resourceful, self-reliant, able to cope), a French word used to describe particularly effective and motivated people.
I don't think Oda had went to such length on his research that earlier on, but who knows? He could've changed his mind after so many years and decided to go with something cooler or better sounding or more into the story i.e Devil, Diablo(as others said before) or given to people from the D clan/country(initial D, as in starts with letter D, no pun intended.)
I found that article interesting and I've noted it down at the time, only shared it now though :P
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Does anyone else think Law became a D. due to his increase in popularity or do you think it was always in the books for him to be one from his conception?
Year of Sanji, let's go!
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Does anyone else think Law became a D. due to his increase in popularity or do you think it was always in the books for him to be one from his conception?
I somehow doubt it was from his original conception.
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Does anyone else think Law became a D. due to his increase in popularity or do you think it was always in the books for him to be one from his conception?
We could say it had a foreshadowing at chapter 591.
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Does anyone else think Law became a D. due to his increase in popularity or do you think it was always in the books for him to be one from his conception?
There was some hints in hindsight, like him knowing about the Will of D., which isn't exactly basic knowledge.
It made sense for people like Robin, a scholar, and Kureha, a very old woman, to know about it, but not Law.
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Does anyone else think Law became a D. due to his increase in popularity or do you think it was always in the books for him to be one from his conception?
Don´t you think the "the D will cause a storm again" gave it away? Of course it was by no means an implication that he himself is a D but a connection was established pretty early for his character + it gave us the reason why he helped Luffy in the war as well
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Thoughts?
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Isn't that the Punk Hazard emblem which was shown in chapter 655?
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Isn't that the Punk Hazard emblem which was shown in chapter 655?
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Oh, thanks. I knew I had seen that emblem somewhere before, but didn't quite recall where.
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I really need to wait for that next chapter this week. :) What's the worst thing that can happen?
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PERSONA! Your pic must have did it wrong.
On your RIP statement…is that when the USA is going to die? Cuz wth else is that?!
Now on subject:
Which ship will the group escape on? I am pondering if it will be a random ship or one of significance like for examples Bartolomeo's, Cavendish's, or Happou Navy. They can't go into regular port as that is probably heavily guarded. I think they will go underground where all the toys and secret dealings were happening. They may have to go in the coliseum which will allow them to get the Kyros bronze statue. -
Don´t you think the "the D will cause a storm again" gave it away? Of course it was by no means an implication that he himself is a D but a connection was established pretty early for his character + it gave us the reason why he helped Luffy in the war as well
That's true, I just meant from the very beginning when the character was made, did Oda think "Oh I made a pretty cool character, he's going to be a D. In the story because I want him to have a strong bond with Luffy" I do agree it's been hinted at very early on with that comment you quoted from him.
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By this logic, Kid should also be a D since he had so much spotlight in Shanbaody as Law.
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By this logic, Kid should also be a D since he had so much spotlight in Shanbaody as Law.
Which logic are you referring to? But yeah Eustass D. Kid does have a nice ring to it. I hope he's one too :)
Year of Sanji, let's go!
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Isn't that the Punk Hazard emblem which was shown in chapter 655?
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That adds another layer of interest for me!
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The skullhorn symbol means death, danger. A warning.
So Nami boobs are considered dangerous.
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It's just Kaido-brand clothing. He's also got a high-end "Invincible" sportswear line ("The Strongest There Is"), the "Hundred Beast Collection" line of perfumes ("Embrace Your Wild Side"), and he's just rolling out his new "Emperor" luxury suits ("Declare Your War").
Kaido just dropped by Kidd's base to sell his merchandise and inquire about a possible photoshoot.
I-… would buy all of these.
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Wow nice b.. wait oh.. that is a? No.. Really?
But seriously, shieeet.
Every time I've seen Rebecca this page from Cerebus the Aardvark comes to mind http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Wye3bC3Whng/T9dUyfpTL-I/AAAAAAAABJk/ExJOqIQT_RY/s1600/cerebus_010_red_sophia.jpg Not in a good way.
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Which logic are you referring to? But yeah Eustass D. Kid does have a nice ring to it. I hope he's one too :)
The logic of "This character is cool, so I gonna make they a D even though its not part of the orinal plan".
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Kidd's probably a D.
He's similar to Luffy in lots of different aspects.
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_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Kid is pretty much Luffy as an hooligan cold blooded killer with no sense of moral.
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Kid is pretty much Luffy as an hooligan cold blooded killer with no sense of moral.
…that's a fairly big departure from Luffy, no?
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…is he?
Apart from their shared dream, Kidd seems pretty different to Luffy.
Law is even more different to Luffy, and he's a D.
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Well, yeah. Even though their personnality is quite different, their goals, dreams, way of thinking are quite similar.
Their goals and dreams don't necessarily tie D's together though.
I mean look at the 3 D's within the Monkey dynasty alone, very disparate dreams and goals.
Also, I'd say personality ties fairly tightly into way of thinking.
I think making Kidd be a D as well as Law would be a bit overkill tbh, and way too coincidental.
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Law is even more different to Luffy, and he's a D.
Exactly, I'm saying that similar personalities do not necessarily indicate fellow members of the Clan of D.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Their goals and dreams don't necessarily tie D's together though.
I mean look at the 3 D's within the Monkey dynasty alone, very disparate dreams and goals.
Also, I'd say personality ties fairly tightly into way of thinking.
I think making Kidd be a D as well as Law would be a bit overkill tbh, and way too coincidental.
Blackbeard shares the same goal as Luffy, and he's a D.
Of course there are counter-exemples, like Garp, Sauro, and so on, but you can't deduce that Kidd won't be a D. because of that. -
Blackbeard shares the same goal as Luffy, and he's a D.
Even with that shared goal, they look at it in a totally different way though.
Teach wants to conquer the world.
Luffy wants to be free.
Even if we do put them down as sharing that goal, the vast majority of D's still have pretty disparate goals.
Of course there are counter-exemples, like Garp, Sauro, and so on, but you can't deduce that Kidd won't be a D. because of that.
Yeah, and you also can't deduce that Kidd is a D from the inverse.
We're both making pretty vague aspersions about something that doesn't have any clear guidelines or whatever.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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We don't know a whole lot about the D's to begin with. The most we know is that they are the enemy of God, and that they usually cause storms. That said, we can look at certain characters and know that this can apply to non D's in some way. If we go with people who cause storms, we have non D's that fit the criteria, and D's that don't fit the criteria. White Beard rekindled the pirate era with one phrase, and was the strongest man, but did not have the name of D. Shanks came in and stopped the war that was going to go on, and his presence causes people to crap themselves, and he is not a D as well either. Saul from Robins flashback had a D in his name, but he did absolutely nothing to cause a storm. Law is a bit difficult to say, as while he is famous and done things to get a high bounty, I'm not sure if he has done anything to cause a storm. Sure, he made this plan to get to Kaido and because his plan involved Doflamingo, it caused some things to happen. Problem is how much of a storm will it cause if anything. If we go with enemy of God, if we consider the CD's as God and anyone against them the enemies, that doesn't really do a whole lot. I'm quite interested in what the D plot point will be, as it has been a mystery all this time and is really being built up. I'm just hoping we aren't going to be getting a new D every arc.
That said, I'm looking forward to this weeks chapter. I'm mostly holding out for Law to confront Sengoku, as I think it would be a cool scene to have.
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But I can deduce that it would be horrible writing on Odas part if he turned another supernova into a D. The story doesn't need any more Ds. to begin with, not after Laws disclosure and Newgates speech.
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We don't know enough about the Ds to especulate anything beyond "they die with a smile" (except law's parents and sister)
I find it weird that of all Ds, even those who would benefit a lot to hide it, Ace, Saul and Garp, only Law of all of them hid it. And by recomendation of his family. I'd get it if he decided to hid it by Corazon's instructions, but from childhood? It's awkward, besides hidding his "Water" part. And his full name is something like "Trafalgar D Water Law". Weird all around.
If there's going to be another secret D, I think it has to be Bonnie, native to south blue, I have to go through her mourning after the war (to see if it was to Whitebeard or Ace) interactions with Sakazuki and Blackbeard, but the fact that Rogue was about to call Ace "Anne" if he was a girl, and the real pirate was "Anne Bonnie" seem like the biggest hint that they were related. That relationship could turn into a blood tie. And her powers could explain the long pregnancy.
Yes, Rogue's pregnancy is weird because unlike getting up after being beaten to a pulp, or other incredible feats of physical strenght or endurance, those last a day, or in Zeff and Sanji a few months, not over a year. So it's harder to swalow.
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If there's going to be another secret D, I think it has to be Bonnie, native to south blue, I have to go through her mourning after the war (to see if it was to Whitebeard or Ace) interactions with Sakazuki and Blackbeard, but the fact that Rogue was about to call Ace "Anne" if he was a girl, and the real pirate was "Anne Bonnie" seem like the biggest hint that they were related. That relationship could turn into a blood tie. And her powers could explain the long pregnancy.
Yes, Rogue's pregnancy is weird because unlike getting up after being beaten to a pulp, or other incredible feats of physical strenght or endurance, those last a day, or in Zeff and Sanji a few months, not over a year. So it's harder to swalow.
This would downplay Rouge's feat though. The long pregnancy was supposed to be her "D" moment, representing determination and endurance.
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We don't know enough about the Ds to especulate anything beyond "they die with a smile" (except law's parents and sister)
I find it weird that of all Ds, even those who would benefit a lot to hide it, Ace, Saul and Garp, only Law of all of them hid it. And by recomendation of his family. I'd get it if he decided to hid it by Corazon's instructions, but from childhood? It's awkward, besides hidding his "Water" part. And his full name is something like "Trafalgar D Water Law". Weird all around.
His name references two historical battles. Not that weird.
Law's name is hidden for cultural reasons.
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What reasons and what culture? Flevanece? North blue? Japanese?
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What reasons and what culture? Flevanece? North blue? Japanese?
Waterloo and Trafalgar Battle.
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Law hid his D because of the ones that we know he really is the only one who knows what it means and has reason to hide it. Not to mention when he was young he was told to. While Luffy and the other D's either have no clue or jut don't care.
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That's the thing, Portgas D Ace was offered a Shichibukai post, Marshal D Teach actualy got it, Monkey D Garp an aldmiracy, Jaguar D Saul a Vice Admiral post, Portgas D Rogue was left alone, Monkey D Dragon reeks of ex-CP agent, and instead of demonizing the D, Roger was changed into Gold Roger. Unless there's a particular reason for persecution of Ds in the north blue, it makes no sense.
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That's the thing, Portgas D Ace was offered a Shichibukai post, Marshal D Teach actualy got it, Monkey D Garp an aldmiracy, Jaguar D Saul a Vice Admiral post, Portgas D Rogue was left alone, Monkey D Dragon reeks of ex-CP agent, and instead of demonizing the D, Roger was changed into Gold Roger. Unless there's a particular reason for persecution of Ds in the north blue, it makes no sense.
They could be hiding them in plain sight/keeping a short leash. Openly demonizing the D's is a dead giveaway that they're important and is honestly akin to supporting them since then they would just most likely rally together. Getting them to fight for you makes a lot more sense to me than getting all of them against you.
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Considering the way that they took an almost pragmatic aproach of Ohara, it makes sense, but if then, how come that Law's family knew to hid it?
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Considering the way that they took an almost pragmatic aproach of Ohara, it makes sense, but if then, how come that Law's family knew to hid it?
That much is a mystery. I don't think we'll ever know the answer to that one but my wild guess would be his family was less ignorant than the other D's and probably knew enough details to know that it's actually seen as notorious. They may have looked into it more deeply at some point considering there are people (like Dr. Kureha) that know it at least has some form of significance. Law seems to have developed the same curious mind after Corazon confirmed the name was special.
I wouldn't doubt it if Law gives us more details on it in the coming arcs.
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That's the thing, Portgas D Ace was offered a Shichibukai post, Marshal D Teach actualy got it, Monkey D Garp an aldmiracy, Jaguar D Saul a Vice Admiral post, Portgas D Rogue was left alone, Monkey D Dragon reeks of ex-CP agent, and instead of demonizing the D, Roger was changed into Gold Roger. Unless there's a particular reason for persecution of Ds in the north blue, it makes no sense.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Additionally, Luffy received no special treatment from the WG for the D in his name, which helps to rule out the possibility of the WG looking to especially prefer having Ds working for them. As far as any acknowledgemention of Luffy's D goes, nothing happened until Marineford. Law's concealment of the D in his name is highly unusual.
The reveal of his full name would be less impact full if it was only Trafalgar D. Law or Trafalgar Water Law instead of the combined package, and his original reasons for concealing it supposedly had more to do with the Water part. We'll probably never know exactly why his parents told him to hide it.
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The thing is, if the Water family was something notable, Doffy or Trebol would had mentioned something.
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Would they have? There was no reason to expect Law had any relation to them. Just coming from the same city isn't enough.
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All this talk about supernovas and Ds… Sanji sure got the shortend of the stick, not even a good bounty. And still don't see how he's not part of the worst generation when he will likely defeat admiral level enemies at the end and be at the top.
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