Kaido not being killable despite people trying makes me think of Rasputin.
Chapter 795: Suicide
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Even more confusing…how is he a yonkou lol. How does he have followers in the first place. He wants to destroy the world and needs an army, but who would want to be in Kaidous crew?? Let's follow a suicidal idiot who loses and is captured often but doesn't die....
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Even more confusing…how is he a yonkou lol. How does he have followers in the first place. He wants to destroy the world and needs an army, but who would want to be in Kaidous crew?? Let's follow a suicidal idiot who loses and is captured often but doesn't die….
He has territories?
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This really doesn't make sense because they have done nothing yet, so there's no point in using them as a gauge.
Not to mention that Oda just introduced the Shanks plot point 2 chapters ago. What would be the point of doing that if they are unable to do anything against an Emperor 2-3 chapters later? Why bring up Shanks then?
The KHA alliance featured in a volume cover, in Law's new age speech about the new overtaking the old, in both post-arcs and several artworks such as this one that shows everybody important so far (such as every Emperor, Doflamingo, Jinbe and Akainu).
Now, with all this stuff being laid out, what makes you think Oda will just offscreen them? Right now, your argument so far is insane as it pretty much is about Oda destroying pretty much what he's been building up so far.
I do think Oda will offscreen them, primarily to hype up the Yonkou and shatter their delusions of grandeur.
I'm curious what you think will happen to them though. Do you think they will win? or even draw?
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Am I the only one who thinks Kaido will just leave them be as if they are even worth his attention?
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I do think Oda will offscreen them, primarily to hype up the Yonkou and shatter their delusions of grandeur.
I'm curious what you think will happen to them though. Do you think they will win? or even draw?
Considering that Oda is clearly planning to do something major with them, they will at least survive with a few injuries (though Kaidou will come out better mainly to show off his immortality). This would give credit to both parties.
Or maybe not even fight Kaido at all for whatever reason (Kaido hears about Luffy and leaves).
Also, what the hell are you talking about? The ones having delusions of grandeur right now are the Emperors and other big shots like Doflamingo. The whole point of the Supernova is to overturn those guys. That's the new age as Law said.
You're completely missing the overall message and thematic here. The veterans are the ones who will have their delusions shattered. The end is near for them, not the rookies, who still have a lot to contribute.
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Am I the only one who thinks Kaido will just leave them be as if they are even worth his attention?
Considering he left Urouge well enough alone, that's a good point. He didn't even seem to notice the others, he seemed to be talking to himself.
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Even more confusing…how is he a yonkou lol. How does he have followers in the first place. He wants to destroy the world and needs an army, but who would want to be in Kaidous crew?? Let's follow a suicidal idiot who loses and is captured often but doesn't die....
I guess we'll have to wait to see how it works for him. I'm really not sure how he manage a crew or claim territory with that kind of tendencies.
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Am I the only one who thinks Kaido will just leave them be as if they are even worth his attention?
I expect one big attack on him, and Kaido treating like nothing. Then he walks away while the trio wonder how such a monster can exist.
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Kaido is certainly interesting. I am guessing his immense durability is probably autonomic monstrous haki or something. I cant wait to see his fighting style and his fare in battle.
Anyhow, Knowing Kid and his temper he and the other supernovas will probably try to engage Kaido and as expected, he will completely shit on their pride and dehype them to the dirt by wrecking them just like he did Moriah -.- I just hope Apoo doesn't try one of those run and gun attempts again like he did with Kizaru lol.
But other than that great chapter. I respect Urouge being his own man. Not trying to be affiliated with anyone or anything
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He has territories?
He has at least that island Drake visited pre-Time Skip and was in Caribou's cover story. It's quite likely he has more.
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I do think Oda will offscreen them, primarily to hype up the Yonkou and shatter their delusions of grandeur. I'm curious what you think will happen to them though. Do you think they will win? or even draw?
The SH's will find the KHA alliance afloat in the middle of the ocean. All of them fitting on a small boat, just like Don Krieg and his crew.
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Am I the only one who is considering that Kaido could possibly serve to split up the KHA, I can totally see Kidd wanting to stand his ground while Apoo seems like one who may try to run. Hawkins may retreat as well if the heart of the cards predicts death or a loss. This is one of the impressions I was getting from the Kaido situation and my gut tells me that if this does happen it could very easily lead to Kidd joining up with the Strawhearts. This speculation is obviously baseless and just something bouncing around in my head, but I don't think it's too far-fetched.
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Am I the only one who is considering that Kaido could possibly serve to split up the KHA, I can totally see Kidd wanting to stand his ground while Apoo seems like one who may try to run. Hawkins may retreat as well if the heart of the cards predicts death or a loss. This is one of the impressions I was getting from the Kaido situation and my gut tells me that if this does happen it could very easily lead to Kidd joining up with the Strawhearts. This speculation is obviously baseless and just something bouncing around in my head, but I don't think it's too far-fetched.
Why? This alliance has done nothing yet.
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Do we know why Urohuge was wound?
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Even more confusing…how is he a yonkou lol. How does he have followers in the first place. He wants to destroy the world and needs an army, but who would want to be in Kaidous crew?? Let's follow a suicidal idiot who loses and is captured often but doesn't die....
The losing thing probably happened before he was at this level or if he is as strong as it is said and really wants to see if someone can kill him I can see him letting people capture him as for the crew, well if they are somehow with him they are protected I assume so thats probably why.
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@Sir:
Am I the only one who is considering that Kaido could possibly serve to split up the KHA, I can totally see Kidd wanting to stand his ground while Apoo seems like one who may try to run. Hawkins may retreat as well if the heart of the cards predicts death or a loss. This is one of the impressions I was getting from the Kaido situation and my gut tells me that if this does happen it could very easily lead to Kidd joining up with the Strawhearts. This speculation is obviously baseless and just something bouncing around in my head, but I don't think it's too far-fetched.
It would be weird to separate them so soon. Their alliance a 2-3 days old.
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Do we know why Urohuge was wound?
We have absolutely no idea
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It'd be a total Oda move. If Luffy and Law could barely take out Joker, then how will they compare against his Boss?
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Luffy owned Doflamingo in every possible way lol.
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http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/793/9 This panel with Urogue makes a lot more sense now. It was Kaido!!
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Let's follow a suicidal idiot who loses and is captured often but doesn't die….
- He isn't a suicidal idiot. He's bored with how seemingly immortal he is and that no one can kill that trying to kill himself has become a hobby. That's literally what the chapter is about.
- Getting captured probably is part after him trying to find a way to kill himself.
- You literally just answered your question. He's strong and can't be killed. Who doesn't want to be behind that?
You are on a quest to become the Pirate Prince, and you decide your fate!
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I expect KHA to get the Sanji treatment. Like how it was with Doflamingo and Sanji, Kaido has some kind of 'parasite' and finish the battle before KHA get to show anything much.
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So this war Kaidou is talking about. Who is it against? And no, before any of you start spouting stuff that you misunderstood, the last panel of the the chapter implies Kaidou does not know that Doffy has been defeated yet. He shouts for Doffy to hurry up with the fruits so he can start 'the war'. So what is this war for? Against Shanks? Big Mom? Blackbeard? I doubt it's against any of the Shichibukai or the Marines, which leaves the Yonkou. Big Mom would fit like a glove so easily.
You are on a quest to become the Pirate Prince, and you decide your fate!
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@Game:
So this war Kaidou is talking about. Who is it against? And no, before any of you start spouting stuff that you misunderstood, the last panel of the the chapter implies Kaidou does not know that Doffy has been defeated yet. He shouts for Doffy to hurry up with the fruits so he can start 'the war'. So what is this war for? Against Shanks? Big Mom? Blackbeard? I doubt it's against any of the Shichibukai or the Marines, which leaves the Yonkou. Big Mom would fit like a glove so easily.
Against everyone
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or that.
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http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/793/9 This panel with Urogue makes a lot more sense now. It was Kaido!!
Good find, completely missed it.
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Ceasar has horns.. Although I can't recall if they were present back ehen he worked for the government. Also I think a couple of the main staff in Impel Down.
Yup, Magellan and Hannyabal for ex.
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Kaido could've been a perfect nakama material if he wasn't a Freaking Yonko and the strongest creature.
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That's basically what I said. Anticlimax is subjective. As you already explained, your disappointment steams from the fact that you didn't see Zoro use his full strength. The battle wasn't "easy". There were obstacles that needed to be overcome. The ending was what anyone would expect, flashy and large scale with some sense of danger mixed in. That's all you would need for a conclusion that could be considered satisfying.
There were obstacles to overcome, sure. And Pica left a big presense, don't get me wrong. But for Zoro..he was no real threat. There was no sense of dramatic tension as Zoro never felt like he was in any real danger to Pica. It felt like the fight was dragged out by making it mostly off screen and Zoro could have won at any point. Hell the only excuse I can think of for why he didn't immediately beat him is maybe that Zoro kept getting lost during the fight.
It also reminds me of how easily all of the Doflamingo family members were beaten. It made them feel like less credible threats…they went from being a crew of very interesting characters...to feeling like Fishman Island all over again...except with Doflamingo, since he WAS a credible threat...but among his crew he was the only one who felt like one anymore. Even Daimante,who seemed powerful in the Coloseum, was an anticlimactic fight against Kyros.
I admit these are all my subjective opinion,I'll give you that part. But I honestly don't see how ANYONE can justify this.
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So we thought Big Mom would be the first target, then Luffy teams with Law to take on Kaido,
KHA Alliance reveals their target is Shanks, then Kaido shows up.
Oda does love to toy with us eh?
Hehe yep, he sure does. Makes it pretty complex but enjoyable!
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It also reminds me of how easily all of the Doflamingo family members were beaten. It made them feel like less credible threats…they went from being a crew of very interesting characters...to feeling like Fishman Island all over again...except with Doflamingo, since he WAS a credible threat...but among his crew he was the only one who felt like one anymore. Even Daimante,who seemed powerful in the Coloseum, was an anticlimactic fight against Kyros.
Indeed, Diamante's power was very unique, but he went out like a complete whimp. I feel like Dellinger and Gladius however, provided some real tension in their battles. Dellinger took out 4 of the dudes from the arena and Gladius were fighting Bart and Cabbage at the same time, he could have defeated them and even killed them, since they weren't main characters.
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There were obstacles to overcome, sure. And Pica left a big presense, don't get me wrong. But for Zoro..he was no real threat. There was no sense of dramatic tension as Zoro never felt like he was in any real danger to Pica. It felt like the fight was dragged out by making it mostly off screen and Zoro could have won at any point. Hell the only excuse I can think of for why he didn't immediately beat him is maybe that Zoro kept getting lost during the fight.
Zoro's fight didn't end on the first clash because he didn't know how Pica's ability worked. Also the first time Pica was only trying to keep people from reaching the area Doffy was at. So he was being more evasive rather than purposely trying to have a 1v1 with Zoro. Zoro spent time trying to goad him into fighting himself rather than letting Pica attack his allies.
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About Doflamingo's executives being weak, I think they were just right. I liked that some of the strongest pirates could fight them.
About the chapter, loved it. Wonder how Shanks was able to stop the strongest creature in the world. Maybe they did not even fight?
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After this Chapter im quite sure that Caesar is next nakama…. He already interacts like a real member and he fits the strawhats perfectly with his character and ability.
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After this Chapter im quite sure that Caesar is next nakama…. He already interacts like a real member and he fits the strawhats perfectly with his character and ability.
Usopp literally said Ceasar is the type of guy Luffy hates most. How is he ever Nakama material?
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ehm they dont really know Caesar right? You think Franky was the kind of person luffy wants for his crew the first time we saw him? Totally not. Franky was an asshole who destroyed the dreams of others, But Views can change over time.
Caesar just needs a backstory for why he did these experiments and whatever. But just how they interact i cant image luffy to "handover" caesar to the marines and caesar is wanted by Bigmom and most likely even Kaido so he needs protection.
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Kaido could've been a perfect nakama material if he wasn't a Freaking Yonko and the strongest creature.
I know!!! I thought he was going to be the next nakama after Luffy made him want to live life again but then it ended up being Kaido. lol
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ehm they dont really know Caesar right? You think Franky was the kind of person luffy wants for his crew the first time we saw him? Totally not. Franky was an asshole who destroyed the dreams of others, But Views can change over time.
Caesar just needs a backstory for why he did these experiments and whatever. But just how they interact i cant image luffy to "handover" caesar to the marines and caesar is wanted by Bigmom and most likely even Kaido so he needs protection.
There is a slight difference in morality from being a thug and gang leader to experimenting, drugging and killing children.
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Aside from all the awful things Caesar did, he also has the dream of becoming the best scientist in the world (or at least defeating Vegapunk, which is the current best scientist). So for op logic he could technically fit in, but it also depends on wether Luffy wants him or not, and for now he clearly doesn't
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At least Caesar fits through the Sunny's doors.
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Pretty good chapter. Kaido went beyond my expectations, which is a good sign. And the swirlyhats are back! I though I wouldn't miss them, but now that they're here again I realize just much I actually like those four.
And with the possible exception of the Dressrosa thread, I'm looking forward to leaving that arc behind. Good grief.
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There is a slight difference in morality from being a thug and gang leader to experimenting, drugging and killing children.
well i might remember wrong but maybe caesar is just so full of himself that he doesnt think he could ever fail at his experiments thus would not hurt the children(he might even think he was helping them). Might be a loop. Like i said, dont remember if he ever said he doesnt care if the children die. Hell even his super dangerous weapon of mass destruction was NOT lethal. It simply stun them with the chance to return them to normal.
Aside from all the awful things Caesar did, he also has the dream of becoming the best scientist in the world (or at least defeating Vegapunk, which is the current best scientist). So for op logic he could technically fit in, but it also depends on wether Luffy wants him or not, and for now he clearly doesn't
Well Caesar is on an adventure right now with the weaker part of the crew + sanji. He was asked to help and most likely will eventually "save" and fight with the strawhats even if its for his own survival. That might make change luffys opinion
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Wonder how Shanks was able to stop the strongest creature in the world. Maybe they did not even fight?
i had this realization from a long time ago, but i think Shanks has the STRONGEST haki in all of One Piece universe. that is the only thing that would make him this strong.
i mean for a guy with one hand, only a human, no devil fruit and small crew. how can he be compared to WB, Kaido and Big Mom ?
from scenes like the marco scene, when his haki damaged the SHIP, i don't remember seeing that before or after.
also the scene where he scared the sea monster and lost his hand. i think his haki is very very strong if not the strongest, i do think u can't stand in front of him as an enemy!! that's how strong his haki is.
sorry to go out of context.
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There were obstacles to overcome, sure. And Pica left a big presense, don't get me wrong. But for Zoro..he was no real threat. There was no sense of dramatic tension as Zoro never felt like he was in any real danger to Pica. It felt like the fight was dragged out by making it mostly off screen and Zoro could have won at any point. Hell the only excuse I can think of for why he didn't immediately beat him is maybe that Zoro kept getting lost during the fight.
It also reminds me of how easily all of the Doflamingo family members were beaten. It made them feel like less credible threats…they went from being a crew of very interesting characters...to feeling like Fishman Island all over again...except with Doflamingo, since he WAS a credible threat...but among his crew he was the only one who felt like one anymore. Even Daimante,who seemed powerful in the Coloseum, was an anticlimactic fight against Kyros.
I admit these are all my subjective opinion,I'll give you that part. But I honestly don't see how ANYONE can justify this.
I can justify it, you just have extremely bad reading comprehension. Zoro stated several times he didn't know how to damage Pica, and took several chapters fighting him to take him down, your post makes me question whether you even read the speech bubbles, a hard fight doesn't mean Zoro has to get hurt, Pica almost killed Riku, Usopp and co, and you say no real threat? And about the other officers, it seems like you can't tell the difference between difficulty and length if you think this was the same to Fishman Island.
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I can justify it, you just have extremely bad reading comprehension. Zoro stated several times he didn't know how to damage Pica, and took several chapters fighting him to take him down, your post makes me question whether you even read the speech bubbles, a hard fight doesn't mean Zoro has to get hurt, Pica almost killed Riku, Usopp and co, and you say no real threat? And about the other officers, it seems like you can't tell the difference between difficulty and length if you think this was the same to Fishman Island.
I think he's right about Zoro and Pica, all Zoro needed to do was find a way to hurt Pica, otherwise to him, Pica wasn't a threat. If I'm not mistaken I think that even Zoro commented on how relatively unscathed he was after the fight. Anyone who has ever given Zoro a run for his money before has made him bleed, excessively or otherwise but Pica barely scratched him.
Also you have to remember that alot of people are still waiting for the next Enies Lobby..which was very action packed. We haven't had something like that since and you can't blame people for expecting a 10 year confrontation to be as epic if not more so than Enies Lobby.
In short..a lot of us(me included) really wanted something on par with Enies Lobby..we didn't and that sucks but Life moves on. Now all I want to know from the Series are just the major plot points.
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well i might remember wrong but maybe caesar is just so full of himself that he doesnt think he could ever fail at his experiments thus would not hurt the children(he might even think he was helping them). Might be a loop. Like i said, dont remember if he ever said he doesnt care if the children die. Hell even his super dangerous weapon of mass destruction was NOT lethal. It simply stun them with the chance to return them to normal.
Don't insult the great scientist Caesar. He is not full of himself and is perfectly aware that most children will die. http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v69/c685/11.html
Of course, it also means that he is not nakama material.As for the Shinokuni, unless you expect him to save everyone he himself attacked, it is lethal. It just takes it's time killing you. Kinda like candy actually, even if significantly faster.
Well Caesar is on an adventure right now with the weaker part of the crew + sanji. He was asked to help and most likely will eventually "save" and fight with the strawhats even if its for his own survival. That might make change luffys opinion
I wonder how many prisoners have helped Luffy without him wanting to make them his Nakama.
Luffy will probably not hate him as much as he originally did(Just like with Mr 3 or Buggy), but actually asking him to join the crew is pretty much impossible. -
people are complaining because what…Sanji didn't solo Mom's crew?
That is Big mom's flagship. Mom herself is literally on that boat, you can hear the crew talking to her.
it would be suicide for Sanji to fight them head on.
Luffy had to give it everything he had to barely beat Donflamingo, and the SH had a lot of trouble with his crew.
Doffy SHIT HIS PANTS at the idea of going up against Kaidou, a crew Big mom and her men have been competing with on equal terms for years.
Neither Sanji, nor Zoro, nor Luffy, would step on that ship, and NOT get their shit kicked in. We are past the point were each SH can just fodderize entire crews, this is an EMPEROR. one of the 4 strongest crews on the planet. Maybe if this was just some random scrubs from Mom's crew, but this is Mom herself and her personal hand picked crew members, on her flagship. it\s likely most, if not all the strongest members of mom's crew are on that ship.
Seriously, calm down fanboys. it was very obvious that the plan was always just to run. setting foot on mom's ship to fight would gain them absolutely nothing.
They understand nothing. To fight an emperor you have to do a WAR like Whitebeard did. The World Government summoned ALL the marines powerhouses, Impel Down prisoners, all the Shikukai and the Pacifistas. You really think that fighting Kaidou would be less? No. In order to win against someone like that you need a lot of strong people, a good strategie and LUCK. If it wasn't because of Whitebeard's health state, Akainu strategie to find "traitors" and manipulate them during the war (Squardo) and Ace death to save Luffy the result would be different.
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Don't insult the great scientist Caesar. He is not full of himself and is perfectly aware that most children will die. http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v69/c685/11.html
Of course, it also means that he is not nakama material.As for the Shinokuni, unless you expect him to save everyone he himself attacked, it is lethal. It just takes it's time killing you. Kinda like candy actually, even if significantly faster.
I wonder how many prisoners have helped Luffy without him wanting to make them his Nakama.
Luffy will probably not hate him as much as he originally did(Just like with Mr 3 or Buggy), but actually asking him to join the crew is pretty much impossible.Oh did not remember that quote of Caesar. Well that eliminates my dream :( He actually had like the perfect Df for strawhats and the most interesting logia up to now
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Oh did not remember that quote of Caesar. Well that eliminates my dream :( He actually had like the perfect Df for strawhats and the most interesting logia up to now
Hopefully his connections with big names will keep him relevant enough to be present in the next couple arcs.
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Do you think that the island Sanji and the others are on is actually Zou ? Or could it be another island ?
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I want to say it's not Zou. But I only think that because Law's crew hasn't shown up. Plus there's Kaido's underlings and supposedly a hiding Samurai. Not that the crew hasn't miraculously wound up on islands that they needed to before…But it still seems like a lot of plot points to all be conveniently in one spot. Maybe that's for the best though if it's the fastest way to get the whole crew back together.
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No new bounties for the swirly guys after all, Franky and Usopp-Sama are leaving Sanji behind.
