any theories about bellamy? joining Heart Pirates?
probably there will be more about Bellamy and Kyros until the end of the arc…
any theories about bellamy? joining Heart Pirates?
probably there will be more about Bellamy and Kyros until the end of the arc…
any theories about bellamy? joining Heart Pirates?
probably there will be more about Bellamy and Kyros until the end of the arc…
Joining Bartolomeo seems more likely.
He doesn't have any sort of connection with Law.
But it's common knowledge that Akainu=Sakazuki, right? So even if the newspaper said Akainu, Sabo could have connected the dots in his mind. A nice little theory overall.
@Bartholemew:
But it's common knowledge that Akainu=Sakazuki, right? So even if the newspaper said Akainu, Sabo could have connected the dots in his mind. A nice little theory overall.
That's the thing it doesn't show Sabo reading the exact extract from the newspaper all he says is guys did you know and he probably just refers to him as Akainu since they're not exactly friends for him to formally use his proper name, so he most likely read Sakazuki as the theory stated.
Joining Bartolomeo seems more likely.
He doesn't have any sort of connection with Law.
we'll probably from your perspective… but Bartolomeo and Bellamy had what? 1-2 Scenes together?
Background with Law is obvious->Doffy... and it also makes no sense that he is with them in Kyros house if there is not happening something with Bellamy... With the people that are actually there.
But definitely he is not joining the Straw....
He doesn't have any sort of connection with Law.
Doflamingo isn't some sort of connection?
Gan Gan no mi moderu: hai? Cancer fruit, model lung?!
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we'll probably from your perspective… but Bartolomeo and Bellamy had what? 1-2 Scenes together?
Background with Law is obvious->Doffy... and it also makes no sense that he is with them in Kyros house if there is not happening something with Bellamy... With the people that are actually there.
But definitely he is not joining the Straw....
Law literally doesn't even know who Bellamy is. They didn't even exchange words.
You can't say having both Doula as a background means anything as both characters had incredibly different experiences and opinions about Doula.
Reread 731. The one with actual, emotional development between Bartolomeo and Bellamy.
Guess who saved Bellamy, considered him a comrade and even told him about his own personal dream?
@Game:
Doflamingo isn't some sort of connection?
Nope. This is like saying Bepo is connected with Doula Mongo because of Law.
Law's background has no connection with Bellamy's background.
Bellamy is joining the Strawhats though
Nope. This is like saying Bepo is connected with Doula Mongo because of Law.
…your example makes no sense? Bepo is connected to Doflamingo because his captain is connected to Doflamingo, his crew's jolly roger is connected to Doflamingo, and his crew's name is connected to Doflamingo. Even despite that, it makes no sense comparing Bellamy to Bepo because Bellamy is directly connected to Doflamingo unlike Bepo who's only connected to Doflamingo because his captain is.
Law's background has no connection with Bellamy's background.
You mean, aside from the huge, hard fact that they're both connected to Doflamingo? Why are you cherry picking.
I'm not even for the theory that Bellamy is going to join the Heart Pirates, your reasoning just makes no sense whatsoever.
Bellamy is joining the Strawhats though
Yes. Why would Bellamy join? We already have Rebecca joining! :ninja:
I think that Brato saving him and calling him his friend will lead to him joining Barto but… That means as Captain Barto needs to get over Bellamy's bounty which means he gets a 50M bounty increase and Bellamy doesn't raise. The Bellamy part makes sense but the 50M seems kinda steep for what Barto did this arc
@Game:
…your example makes no sense? Bepo is connected to Doflamingo because his captain is connected to Doflamingo, his crew's jolly roger is connected to Doflamingo, and his crew's name is connected to Doflamingo. Even despite that, it makes no sense comparing Bellamy to Bepo because Bellamy is directly connected to Doflamingo unlike Bepo who's only connected to Doflamingo because his captain is.
You mean, aside from the huge, hard fact that they're both connected to Doflamingo? Why are you cherry picking.
I'm not even for the theory that Bellamy is going to join the Heart Pirates, your reasoning just makes no sense whatsoever.
What I mean is that just because they both have a story with a certain guy, it doesn't mean that they're truly "connected".
Connected in the sense that they influence each other, or that one wouldn't exist without the other or even acknowledge the other's existence. They're both connected to Doula Mongo, but that doesn't mean they're necessarily connected to each other.
Nope.avi
Nuff said.
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What I mean is that just because they both have a story with a certain guy, it doesn't mean that they're truly "connected".
Connected in the sense that they influence each other, or that one wouldn't exist without the other or even acknowledge the other's existence. They're both connected to Doula Mongo, but that doesn't mean they're necessarily connected to each other.
Everyone is connected to Doflamingo. Doflamingo has connections.
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I think that's what happened, really. Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Fujitora: they are all just aliases. But when newspapers refer to them, they use their real names, since it's a more professional and formal way to address someone. We've seen this last chapter, with the Gorosei. They refer to Akainu by his name, Sakazuki, and to Aojiki as Kuzan.
@The:
One problem is that the name used was Akainu, his known admiral name, not Sakazuki. So unless they decided to just go with Akainu instead of Sakazuki in the translation because most people might not remember his actual name, then it could work. It also could just be mere coincidence as well. Sabo was remembering certain events leading up to his break down, and that event was when they become brothers. The next part his then him losing it at remembering Ace was his brother.
It could be legit, since the dots connect. My problem is I've seen so many theories and stuff along this line for many other series. The pull of logic is mind boggling that I've come to be skeptical of these sorts of things. Cool thought non the less.
They're just nicknames that name the person.
"Red Dog" is a nickname.
To us English speakers we would be like, what is the difference? Both names make sense.
However to the Japanese Pop, it's just the nickname and is pretty much named after a certain trait of the person
Like "Red Hair", " Whitebeard".
I think that Brato saving him and calling him his friend will lead to him joining Barto but… That means as Captain Barto needs to get over Bellamy's bounty which means he gets a 50M bounty increase and Bellamy doesn't raise. The Bellamy part makes sense but the 50M seems kinda steep for what Barto did this arc
Nice point. That's the same reason Jinbe hasn't joined yet.
On the other hand, Barto's probably the most deserving of a bounty raise of any non-Strawhat/Law character. He defeated Gladius, one of the more impressive family members, won the B Block, and showed association with and devotion to both the Strawhats and Sabo. The only other ally who might really deserve a bounty raise is Sai for his newfound power and full command of the Happou Navy.
Hell, if we're raising Barto's bounty just make it 280 million to screw with Cabbage.
I think that's what happened, really. Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Fujitora: they are all just aliases. But when newspapers refer to them, they use their real names, since it's a more professional and formal way to address someone. We've seen this last chapter, with the Gorosei. They refer to Akainu by his name, Sakazuki, and to Aojiki as Kuzan.
@The:
One problem is that the name used was Akainu, his known admiral name, not Sakazuki. So unless they decided to just go with Akainu instead of Sakazuki in the translation because most people might not remember his actual name, then it could work. It also could just be mere coincidence as well. Sabo was remembering certain events leading up to his break down, and that event was when they become brothers. The next part his then him losing it at remembering Ace was his brother.
It could be legit, since the dots connect. My problem is I've seen so many theories and stuff along this line for many other series. The pull of logic is mind boggling that I've come to be skeptical of these sorts of things. Cool thought non the less.
You're not the only special snowflake, there are plenty of others that are glad to see the back of him :getlost:
I bet all the guys that saw him alive were all hyped but went back to wishing he was dead as theorized.
They're just nicknames that name the person.
"Red Dog" is a nickname.
To us English speakers we would be like, what is the difference? Both names make sense.
However to the Japanese Pop, it's just the nickname and is pretty much named after a certain trait of the person
Like "Red Hair", " Whitebeard".
I want to agree with you, but to me there's a difference between characters where it's the better known codename or nickname and those where it's just their bounty title or the like.
For instance, there are very few people running around calling Chopper "Cotton Candy Lover" or Smoker "The Chaser," especially not to their face. If anything, it feels more frequently used something akin to a surname or even a taunt.
On the other hand, you've got people like the admirals, Blackbeard, and Whitebeard who are more commonly known and referred to by their codenames. I think there's a divide between the two types that's worth acknowledging.
I think that's what happened, really. Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Fujitora: they are all just aliases. But when newspapers refer to them, they use their real names, since it's a more professional and formal way to address someone. We've seen this last chapter, with the Gorosei. They refer to Akainu by his name, Sakazuki, and to Aojiki as Kuzan.
@The:
One problem is that the name used was Akainu, his known admiral name, not Sakazuki. So unless they decided to just go with Akainu instead of Sakazuki in the translation because most people might not remember his actual name, then it could work. It also could just be mere coincidence as well. Sabo was remembering certain events leading up to his break down, and that event was when they become brothers. The next part his then him losing it at remembering Ace was his brother.
It could be legit, since the dots connect. My problem is I've seen so many theories and stuff along this line for many other series. The pull of logic is mind boggling that I've come to be skeptical of these sorts of things. Cool thought non the less.
I want to agree with you, but to me there's a difference between characters where it's the better known codename or nickname and those where it's just their bounty title or the like.
For instance, there are very few people running around calling Chopper "Cotton Candy Lover" or Smoker "The Chaser," especially not to their face. If anything, it feels more frequently used something akin to a surname or even a taunt.
On the other hand, you've got people like the admirals, Blackbeard, and Whitebeard who are more commonly known and referred to by their codenames. I think there's a divide between the two types that's worth acknowledging.
I just think it's common knowledge with the names.
Sengoku called Sakazuki, Akainu. Then Garp called him Sakazuki.
I think it's a matter of what popped into their head. I mean sometimes I call aokiji, kuzan. Then I'd call fujitora Isshou.
It seems very likely that the name Sakazuki played a role, maybe that's the first name Sabo thought of when he heard Akainu.
Sake cups, brother, it has to be one hell of a coincidence.
I just think it's common knowledge with the names.
Sengoku called Sakazuki, Akainu. Then Garp called him Sakazuki.
I think it's a matter of what popped into their head. I mean sometimes I call aokiji, kuzan. Then I'd call fujitora Isshou.
It seems very likely that the name Sakazuki played a role, maybe that's the first name Sabo thought of when he heard Akainu.Sake cups, brother, it has to be one hell of a coincidence.
The current admirals can have their names and codenames used interchangeably, so Fujitora and Issho are both correct. However, neither Sakazuki nor Kuzan is an admiral any longer, so it's incorrect to refer to them as Akainu or Aokiji. That doesn't mean people, both in real life and in the OPverse, won't mistakenly refer to them by their old codenames and we'll all still know who they're talking about.
The current admirals can have their names and codenames used interchangeably, so Fujitora and Issho are both correct. However, neither Sakazuki nor Kuzan is an admiral any longer, so it's incorrect to refer to them as Akainu or Aokiji. That doesn't mean people, both in real life and in the OPverse, won't mistakenly refer to them by their old codenames and we'll all still know who they're talking about.
I don't see them as code names.
Blackbeard calls him aokiji, Doflamingo calls him Kuzan.
They're simply nicknames like Whitebeard who is known as Newgate or Edward Newgate.
Big mom is Charlotte linlin.
I think you view those names as Admiral assigned names. They're not.
All the Admirals except Kizaru have moves named after their signature attacks and colour scheme.
Aokiji "Pheasent Baek"
Akainu: Meigou (hellhound??)
Fujitora: Ferocious tiger
It's just a theme Oda gave for the Admirals but as I mentioned they're not marine assigned codenames.
One more; "Fire fist".
I don't see them as code names.
Blackbeard calls him aokiji, Doflamingo calls him Kuzan.They're simply nicknames like Whitebeard who is known as Newgate or Edward Newgate.
Big mom is Charlotte linlin.I think you view those names as Admiral assigned names. They're not.
All the Admirals except Kizaru have moves named after their signature attacks and colour scheme.
Aokiji "Pheasent Baek"
Akainu: Meigou (hellhound??)
Fujitora: Ferocious tigerIt's just a theme Oda gave for the Admirals but as I mentioned they're not marine assigned codenames.
One more; "Fire fist".
But they very clearly are assigned to admirals. If they weren't, we would see other marines with color-coded names. Besides, we don't know when those moves were developed. I'd think that a lot of those moves were developed or named as a signature move to match their codename. In particular, Fujitora has mentioned that his fruit is relatively new to him, suggesting that he received the fruit and his rank in a similar time frame and thus developed the move and its name after receiving his codename.
Conversely, most pirates are named after a significant characteristic, including devil fruit powers or moves. Hiken is such a move and I think Fire Fist Ace firmly fits into the first category I outlined.
@Galaxy:
Oda is forty years old.
yeah he should be fine for 20-40 more years, well after OP is over
But they very clearly are assigned to admirals. If they weren't, we would see other marines with color-coded names. Besides, we don't know when those moves were developed. I'd think that a lot of those moves were developed or named as a signature move to match their codename. In particular, Fujitora has mentioned that his fruit is relatively new to him, suggesting that he received the fruit and his rank in a similar time frame and thus developed the move and its name after receiving his codename.
Conversely, most pirates are named after a significant characteristic, including devil fruit powers or moves. Hiken is such a move and I think Fire Fist Ace firmly fits into the first category I outlined.
Well Aokiji is still referred to as Aokiji. Maybe they name themselves in a marine format, it doesn't seem like a rule.
Fair points though.
I think Oda originally named the Admirals like so and now maintained it with green bull and purple tiger.
I doubt their codenames assigned by marines to hide their identity.
That's what a codename is for. So I'd say their original name is well known.
For all we know the newspaper may have had Sakazuki written. Some Revolutionary said the name Akainu.
yeah he should be fine for 20-40 more years, well after OP is over
Oda has a tendency to keep saying his series still has 10 years left, so in 20 years time he will say "10 more years" :ninja:
Kidding aside, if there is 10 years left that's like… 5 more arcs (if each arc is Dressroba length, which won't be the case since there will shorter ones sprinkled in here and there) 5 more big bosses, 4 Yonkou and then the world government o.o
I think its the fact that they are so powerful that they receive nicknames like that. I mean both ideas are possible but to me it seems like something they were known by as they moved up the ranks of the marines but when they became admirals it became more widely known then there actual names. I just don't understand what the advantage of using codenames would be if everyone in the world pretty much knows both names.
@Game:
Yes. Why would Bellamy join? We already have Rebecca joining! :ninja:
We dont need anyone to flood the ship.
guys guys, if anyones joining its bart, as long as he isn't like sanji on FI the whole time
Well Aokiji is still referred to as Aokiji. Maybe they name themselves in a marine format, it doesn't seem like a rule.
Fair points though.
I think Oda originally named the Admirals like so and now maintained it with green bull and purple tiger.
I doubt their codenames assigned by marines to hide their identity.That's what a codename is for. So I'd say their original name is well known.
For all we know the newspaper may have had Sakazuki written. Some Revolutionary said the name Akainu.
Well the original three were themed after Journey to the West, right? I can't remember if anyone has established the reasoning behind Green Bull or Purple Tiger. The colors are probably semi-random but there's probably some theme behind the animals. Maybe Fujitora is a sort of opposing revolutionary to Dragon? No idea about Ryokogyu though. I think some people have tried to chart them on the zodiac.
I think its the fact that they are so powerful that they receive nicknames like that. I mean both ideas are possible but to me it seems like something they were known by as they moved up the ranks of the marines but when they became admirals it became more widely known then there actual names. I just don't understand what the advantage of using codenames would be if everyone in the world pretty much knows both names.
Yeah, "codenames" in this case aren't exactly correct since there's no effort in concealing their real names. I think it's more like a tradition where admirals are assigned that sort of name to reflect their importance.
When we've seen some of the admirals in flashbacks, back from when they were Vice Admirals, they're never referred to by their admiral codename. For instance, here Kizaru is referred to as Vice Admiral Borsalino and future Admiral Kizaru, implying that the name Kizaru is only conferred upon becoming an admiral.
Furthermore, the only non-admiral marine we've seen with any sort of distinct color scheme is maybe Smoker. A couple VAs have animal themes, but they all, minus Smoker, wear the standard dark suit, including Kuzan and Borsalino in flashbacks. If they had had their admiral names prior to achieving the rank, we would expect to see some hint during flashbacks or a similar reputation for at least a few of the current Vice Admirals.
Also, Fujitora and Ryokogyu were both added during the World Conscription. It's possible they had their color and animal themes before then, but I think it makes more sense if they were added upon recruitment.
It was probably written in the papers Akainu (Sakazuki) like we often see in the infoboxes.
I wonder if Sengoku and Kong had codenames when they were Admirals.
@Medical:
I wonder if Sengoku and Kong had codenames when they were Admirals.
Well you've got Buddha & a monkey. Be cool if they other admirals at the time were a boar and a kappa.
Well you've got Buddha & a monkey. Be cool if they other admirals at the time were a boar and a kappa.
That was Oda's original idea for the current admiral trio.
Well the original three were themed after Journey to the West, right? I can't remember if anyone has established the reasoning behind Green Bull or Purple Tiger. The colors are probably semi-random but there's probably some theme behind the animals. Maybe Fujitora is a sort of opposing revolutionary to Dragon? No idea about Ryokogyu though. I think some people have tried to chart them on the zodiac.
Yeah, "codenames" in this case aren't exactly correct since there's no effort in concealing their real names. I think it's more like a tradition where admirals are assigned that sort of name to reflect their importance.
When we've seen some of the admirals in flashbacks, back from when they were Vice Admirals, they're never referred to by their admiral codename. For instance, here Kizaru is referred to as Vice Admiral Borsalino and future Admiral Kizaru, implying that the name Kizaru is only conferred upon becoming an admiral.
Furthermore, the only non-admiral marine we've seen with any sort of distinct color scheme is maybe Smoker. A couple VAs have animal themes, but they all, minus Smoker, wear the standard dark suit, including Kuzan and Borsalino in flashbacks. If they had had their admiral names prior to achieving the rank, we would expect to see some hint during flashbacks or a similar reputation for at least a few of the current Vice Admirals.
Also, Fujitora and Ryokogyu were both added during the World Conscription. It's possible they had their color and animal themes before then, but I think it makes more sense if they were added upon recruitment.
@bold Momotaro, actually. The SBS actually made it a lot easier to explain, here's the link, and as for the color. I said this before but the color though, other than it attributes to their power, in my interpretation also has to do with their nature/personality. Like how the first three Admirals are primary colors: Red, Blue and Yellow while Green and Purple are secondary colors. Purple is made by Red and Blue, Green made by Yellow and Blue, the pattern for both being Blue, as in the one who left.
Oh by the way Smoker does have a colored name: White Hunter. I also said this before but Pink is a tint that is made by toning down another color, which is Red (usually mixing it with White), I still just find it interesting is all.
There is also Black Cage and Red Flag.
Guess Smoker, Hina and Drake were the three amigos at some point.
@bold Momotaro, actually. The SBS actually made it a lot easier to explain, here's the link, and as for the color. I said this before but the color though, other than it attributes to their power, in my interpretation also has to do with their nature/personality. Like how the first three Admirals are primary colors: Red, Blue and Yellow while Green and Purple are secondary colors. Purple is made by Red and Blue, Green made by Yellow and Blue, the pattern for both being Blue, as in the one who left.
Oh by the way Smoker does have a colored name: White Hunter. I also said this before but Pink is a tint that is made by toning down another color, which is Red (usually mixing it with White), I still just find it interesting is all.
You think Smoker is shoed in for an admiral spot at this point then?
You think Smoker is shoed in for an admiral spot at this point then?
I think he means that Fujitora's character might be a mix of Smoker's rightiousness and akainu's relentlessness or something along those lines.
There is also Black Cage and Red Flag.
Guess Smoker, Hina and Drake were the three amigos at some point.
Smoker's the only one whose color is actually a part of his theme though. Hina's Black Cage is a reference purely to her Devil Fruit; there's really no other themes of black in her design or character. Maybe if she was called the Pink Cage…
Red Flag Drake, on the other hand, is I think a bit of a joke. Since he was the son of a pirate and left the marines to become a pirate, there were probably some red flags about his character suggesting he might be unreliable. He himself might also be a red flag in the marine system as it begins to lose valuable people because of a clash of ideals. I can't recall seeing much red in his design that would suggest another reason for the name.
None of the three have animal themes, though. I could see Smoker acquiring one pretty easily in the future. Even better, I could see him completely ignoring the theme and even acting counter to it.
No, Drake does not have a dinosaur theme. Shut up.
I think he means that Fujitora's character might be a mix of Smoker's rightiousness and akainu's relentlessness or something along those lines.
Ah, thanks for the clarification.
Drake prolly gained his ephitet AFTER becoming a pirate. He has a lot of intel of the marines so he was specially dangerous for them
@bold Momotaro, actually. The SBS actually made it a lot easier to explain, here's the link, and as for the color. I said this before but the color though, other than it attributes to their power, in my interpretation also has to do with their nature/personality. Like how the first three Admirals are primary colors: Red, Blue and Yellow while Green and Purple are secondary colors. Purple is made by Red and Blue, Green made by Yellow and Blue, the pattern for both being Blue, as in the one who left.
Oh by the way Smoker does have a colored name: White Hunter. I also said this before but Pink is a tint that is made by toning down another color, which is Red (usually mixing it with White), I still just find it interesting is all.
Pink is not the same as purple though.
If you guys haven't watched the latest episode of One Piece, you really should it was amazingly good. Plus you get to see Doffy's eye (not a spoiler is it?)
If you guys haven't watched the latest episode of One Piece, you really should it was amazingly good. Plus you get to see Doffy's eye (not a spoiler is it?)
It's sad that we half to say an eye.
If you guys haven't watched the latest episode of One Piece, you really should it was amazingly good. Plus you get to see Doffy's eye (not a spoiler is it?)
Nah we saw it in the Manga, although, I watched the episode, I think the animation went to fast for me because I didn't see it.
No, Drake does not have a dinosaur theme. Shut up.
Drake = Dragon. The Japanese word for "Dinosaur" contains the character for "Dragon" (竜) in it.
So he at least has a dragon theme.
I think he means that Fujitora's character might be a mix of aokiji's morals and akainu's relentlessness or something along those lines.
Fixed. Close enough though.
Pink is not the same as purple though.
Yeah I know about the two scrapped Admirals. The other one was brown pig or something. You gotta wonder on the reasons why they got scrapped. However, I just think you guys missed the last of what I was trying to say, which is about Coby, as in the only person in this series who actually dreams of being an Admiral. Pink is a toned down Red (recall all their interactions in Marineford), that's really just why I find it interesting. Though I know it has no actual basis on why Coby is Pink, other than his hair lol.
Yeah I know about the two scrapped Admirals. The other one was brown pig or something. You gotta wonder on the reasons why they got scrapped. However, I just think you guys missed the last of what I was trying to say, which is about Coby, as in the only person in this series who actually dreams of being an Admiral. Pink is a toned down Red (recall all their interactions in Marineford), that's really just why I find it interesting. Though I know it has no actual basis on why Coby is Pink, other than his hair lol.
They weren't scrapped to begin with it. They were just fan made characters that readers made up in the SBS.
Yeah I know about the two scrapped Admirals. The other one was brown pig or something. You gotta wonder on the reasons why they got scrapped. However, I just think you guys missed the last of what I was trying to say, which is about Coby, as in the only person in this series who actually dreams of being an Admiral. Pink is a toned down Red (recall all their interactions in Marineford), that's really just why I find it interesting. Though I know it has no actual basis on why Coby is Pink, other than his hair lol.
Coby's not really a mix of Smoker and Sakazuki, though. That would be more like Fujitora, or maybe Kizaru. If anything, Coby's justice is even more moral than Smoker's. I've never felt any real hatred towards pirates in general from Coby, just animosity towards bad people.
Coby's not really a mix of Smoker and Sakazuki, though. That would be more like Fujitora, or maybe Kizaru. If anything, Coby's justice is even more moral than Smoker's. I've never felt any real hatred towards pirates in general from Coby, just animosity towards bad people.
He seems like a combo of Fujitora's belief in fixing the system, and Smoker's resilience.
Drake = Dragon. The Japanese word for "Dinosaur" contains the character for "Dragon" (竜) in it.
So he at least has a dragon theme.
Maybe he could be Kaido's Dragon.
He seems like a combo of Fujitora's belief in fixing the system, and Smoker's resilience.
Smoker doesn't really have any disbelief in the system, he just hates the bureaucracy of the World Government. I'm pretty sure he, Fuji, and Coby all believe the Marines can and should be a force for good, they're just at different stages in developing their philosophies. Coby, to our knowledge, hasn't been exposed as much to the large-scale corruption in the Marines, just on a small scale with Captain Morgan. I think he knows not all Marines are good people but we don't know if he's formulated any beliefs about the World Government yet.
Might've picked something up from his time with Garp though.