A klabuatermann joining…
You're kidding, right?
Well, it is Oda, so I suppose that's possible...
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Why does everyone ignore how much of a cfrappy job the Klabautermann did on the ship? With a shipwright like that, they won't make it to the next island.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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@Cap'n:
Why does everyone ignore how much of a cfrappy job the Klabautermann did on the ship? With a shipwright like that, they won't make it to the next island.
lol, that was hilarious. i concur.
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Every ship has a klabuaterman already doesn't it?
ArticUNO ZapDOS MolTRES!!!!!!!!
Holy crap, I never noticed that!
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I think I'm just going to stay out of this. Don't want to end up repeating someone else's argument for them, arguments that were already made just 3 or 4 pages back. I just think it's a pretty plausible theory.
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Yeah, I always had a slight suspicion, but now I am 100% sure that Mr. 3 is gonna be the guy who joins…. Hey! Why the hell isn't he a choice on the poll?
Woohoo for Mr.3!!!!..only because i cosplay as him…but my money is on paulie..and no one..
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With all due respect, someone mentioned the plausibility of Franky being another Vivi. I feel compelled to point out the major differences of the two including the arc types.
Vivi had a mega arc (i.e. one major island and several small islands) dedicated to her character in which the second Oda decided to go with her plotwise her artwork drastically changed. Franky on the other hand is a feature of an arc, more akin to Wiper if anyone and his artwork has been consistant since the Luffy drawing.
Vivi's character took an almighty u-turn too, she went from coneiving twisted fifth rate generic baddy to overtly emotional, world on her shoulders, insessantly bite lip, screamathonist who ultimately just missed her boyfriend and lacked friends as a result. Franky's character went from 1st rate baddy, equal in battle with Luffy, infamous for damage guy to 1st rate goodie, strong fighter, hero of the arc, nakama loving, proactive (and not reactive like Vivi), fully rounded character of who's actions the whole arc could possibly hang on. This isn't fair on Vivi given we've seen her arc conclude, i acknowledge that.
Crew wise, Vivi offered absolutely nothing, her role is more than covered by Robin who brings the poneglyphs to the mix of which i'm sure a mini-arc will be dedicated to Robin explaining the significance to the Mugiwara will be dedicated. Franky is a shipwright, ingenius inventor and a strong fighter.
Outside of Vivi's plight, she was quite bland and rather tag-along-y, Franky is more or less the exact opposite.
Vivi doesn't promote a message like the rest of the crew (i've started winging it ladies and gents)
Luffy: kids be careful what you put in your mouth
Zoro: wikipedia, especially the pages regarding obscure demons and animals is your friend.
Sanji: it's natural for Chinese chefs to chain smoke.
Nami: fruit is good, knowing where you're going is better.
Usopp: you're never too old for kiddy toys.
Chopper: if you need a shave, shave.
Robin: you're allowed to be stuck in the past in regards to fashion, do not become a whore to the machine.
Franky: Coke is a hell of a drug.- sorry had to end it in jest.
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With all due respect, someone mentioned the plausibility of Franky being another Vivi. I feel compelled to point out the major differences of the two including the arc types.
Vivi had a mega arc (i.e. one major island and several small islands) dedicated to her character in which the second Oda decided to go with her plotwise her artwork drastically changed. Franky on the other hand is a feature of an arc, more akin to Wiper if anyone and his artwork has been consistant since the Luffy drawing.
Vivi's character took an almighty u-turn too, she went from coneiving twisted fifth rate generic baddy to overtly emotional, world on her shoulders, insessantly bite lip, screamathonist who ultimately just missed her boyfriend and lacked friends as a result. Franky's character went from 1st rate baddy, equal in battle with Luffy, infamous for damage guy to 1st rate goodie, strong fighter, hero of the arc, nakama loving, proactive (and not reactive like Vivi), fully rounded character of who's actions the whole arc could possibly hang on. This isn't fair on Vivi given we've seen her arc conclude, i acknowledge that.
Crew wise, Vivi offered absolutely nothing, her role is more than covered by Robin who brings the poneglyphs to the mix of which i'm sure a mini-arc will be dedicated to Robin explaining the significance to the Mugiwara will be dedicated. Franky is a shipwright, ingenius inventor and a strong fighter.
Outside of Vivi's plight, she was quite bland and rather tag-along-y, Franky is more or less the exact opposite.
Vivi doesn't promote a message like the rest of the crew (i've started winging it ladies and gents)
Luffy: kids be careful what you put in your mouth
Zoro: wikipedia, especially the pages regarding obscure demons and animals is your friend.
Sanji: it's natural for Chinese chefs to chain smoke.
Nami: fruit is good, knowing where you're going is better.
Usopp: you're never too old for kiddy toys.
Chopper: if you need a shave, shave.
Robin: you're allowed to be stuck in the past in regards to fashion, do not become a whore to the machine.
Franky: Coke is a hell of a drug.- sorry had to end it in jest.
I think what everyone means when they say "Oda might pull a Vivi on us" is that he might surprise everyone by having someone no one expected join instead of the person almost everyone expected would join. Comparing Franky's situation to Vivi's situation, and concluding that Oda can't "pull a Vivi" on us because the situations differ too much is a complete non sequitur. Obviously Oda wouldn't be "pulling a Vivi" (i.e. pull a surprise) on anyone if he makes their situations parallel too much.
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The difference is that all indications said that Vivi would stay in Alabasta anyway, and the crew didn't really need for her anything (unlike how they need Franky).
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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Notice Vivi and Franky both have sky-blue hair. Oda has a liking for sky-blue hair.
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Yeah in reality I was surprised that they wanted her to join them in the end but she stayed in alabasta even after they ve been through all the hardship (bon clay sacrifising himself .etc…) to meet with her .
In this case we can t have a vivi pulled on us.
Was it possible in the Baratie-arc that Sanji wasn t the one that joined --> nope impossible so this is the same thing , Franky has to join.and still one thing to say about Paulie : he sckqs I d rather have Lulu join then Paulie , Lulu is great with his hair thing , he makes me laugh.
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I dont see how Franky, Pauly, Galley-La OR Franky Family are going to go back to W7 safely. They all attacked the government.
And, 7 was a significant number for the Mugiwara, because each of the members represent a Deadly Sin (Random fact, but it might have to do with Oda's reasoning for leaving it at 7.)
Franky ftw though. I'd like to something something random though, like Kaku or Hattori turning into a Carpenter(LOL)
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Was it possible in the Baratie-arc that Sanji wasn t the one that joined –> nope impossible so this is the same thing , Franky has to join.
That's just hindsight speaking. Would it have been possible to have someone other than Sanji joining? If he wanted to surprise everyone sure, it's Oda's story.
@Cap'n:
The difference is that all indications said that Vivi would stay in Alabasta anyway, and the crew didn't really need for her anything (unlike how they need Franky).
Again, that's just hindsight speaking. There are indications in the story that Franky won't be joining too.
All I'm saying is that nothing is certain.
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Maybe Kaku was mind controlled! ..or something.
I still think that guy Luffy drew looked exactly like Mr.3 ><
Really I know its gonna be Franky, but I would be more happy if Paulie or Kaku joined.. or someone like Mr.2/3
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Every ship has a klabuaterman already doesn't it?
Only loved ships, no?
How about if the new ship contains something patched up from the Going Merry, in the same way the Baratie contained Mackarel Head I (someone read Volume 7 again this afternoon) so there's an excuse to bring the spirit with?
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Every ship has a klabuaterman already doesn't it?
The Klabautermann is a spiritual (ghostly) manifestation of the ship itself. And a ship only appears in the form of the Klabautermann if it’s been truly loved and taken care of by its crew.
And I can imagine something of the Going Merry being incorporated into the new ship that will transfer Going Merry’s spirit over. Picture it as something like transferring someone’s soul (the Going Merry’s spirit) into a new body (the new ship)
Then you could say the new member would not be the Klabautermann per se, but the ship (Going Merry), which can manifest itself in the form of a Klabautermann. It’d be a new member in the sense that the crew has someone new to talk and interact with. Going Merry has always been a member ever since the crew left Syrup Village, but now Going Merry would actually be able to converse and interact with the crew.
@Cap'n:
The difference is that all indications said that Vivi would stay in Alabasta anyway, and the crew didn't really need for her anything (unlike how they need Franky).
As in Vivi’s case, there are some indications that Franky won’t be joining. It’s not 100% positive at all that he’ll be joining.
First of all, is there anything indicating that Franky is cold-hearted and selfish enough to leave his dependents, the ones who just underwent a suicide mission to get him back, all for a supposed dream? For someone who holds the ideals of ‘crew’ sacred, and for someone who loves his crew as much as he does (I mean the guy cried when he saw that the crew came with the Straw Hats to rescue him), not only would leaving his crew be a bastard thing to do, but it would also be an out of character thing to do.
For Franky to leave his crew, it would be like saying to them,
“Yeah, you guys did great. I thought none of you had the guts to do what you guys did, but you all surprised me. All of you love me enough that you essentially threw your life away to get me, your leader back. And that you did. Good job! You all deserve a medal or something. But now I must leave you all, because, well, none of you are terribly important to me. With that said, the Franky Family is now disbanded. Sayonara, suckers!”
Then there’s the point having to do with Franky’s dream. Franky’s dream is to build a ship that can sail to the end of the world, crossing the greatest of waves with pride and ease. If this dream ship needs it’s creator (or any shipwright) present to keep it running and to keep it repaired, then it can hardly be called a dream ship that can cross the greatest of waves with pride and ease. IMO, Franky’s dream indicates that the ship will be taking care of itself, and won’t need a shipwright present at all.
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Would anyone else like to see alot of people (more than 2, maybe 3) join the crew? There are so many possibilities.. I think they are going to need more crew members as the story advances anyhow.
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What if we have another situation like with Sanji, where even though he may want to he chooses to stay and its his old friends who make him leave.
I could see this arc ending with Luffy asking Franky to join the crew (assuming he'll learn to like him during the fighting) and Franky saying no and that he already has nakama. (Even though on the inside he wants to go)
But then Franky Family, and Iceberg as well tell him its better if he goes and after lots of crying he decides to go.
All the Strawhats have had to leave behind people the care about deeply in order to go after their dreams and travel with Luffy. (Except Zoro who left on his own, and Robin who was forced) Granted, Franky is in charge of an entire crew but if they really are a "family" then I'm sure they'd be happy if Franky decided to leave to achieve his dreams.
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What if we have another situation like with Sanji, where even though he may want to he chooses to stay and its his old friends who make him leave.
People seem to bring this up a lot. But I don't really see the Baratie crew being as close or as tight knit to Sanji as Franky's crew is to Franky. A lot of the crew in the beginning actually seemed to despise Sanji for being the assistant head chef. They're not exactly the sort of people you would picture going to any length to rescue/protect Sanji, like what Franky's crew did for Franky.
And the only reason Sanji stayed behind was because of his sense of obligation to Zeff. But Zeff didn't rescue Sanji just so that he'd be indebted to him forever. He rescued him because he saw a kid who had the same dream as he did. He didn't want that kid to die, but instead to live and to seek his dream, like he once did. In a sense, when Sanji left, he didn't leave to fulfill only his dream, but to fulfill his master's dream as well. I don't see anything selfish about that.
All the Strawhats have had to leave behind people the care about deeply in order to go after their dreams and travel with Luffy. (Except Zoro who left on his own, and Robin who was forced) Granted, Franky is in charge of an entire crew but if they really are a "family" then I'm sure they'd be happy if Franky decided to leave to achieve his dreams.
It's all a part of growing up. Eventually we all (most of us anyway) have to leave friends and family behind to make our own way in life.
But Franky has already grown up (he's 32). And he's formed his own crew, a crew that, IMO, is just as close and as tight-knit as the Straw Hats - they’ve proven that they would go to any lengths for their leader. Leaving them behind, and disbanding the group would not only be incredibly selfish, but also a smack in the face to every single Franky Family member that has dedicated their life to following Franky (recall the King Bulls, and how they stated that they dedicated themselves to following Franky forever). I don't care what his dream may be, or whether the FF encourages him to leave or not. He'd be an incredibly selfish bastard for leaving them, especially since they're now all incredibly wanted criminals.
And besides, Franky's dream isn't really one where it requires him to leave his crew.
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I dont see how Franky, Pauly, Galley-La OR Franky Family are going to go back to W7 safely. They all attacked the government.
I've been thinking about this myself. I believe it was said that everyone would be marked as criminals for invading Enies Lobby. This leads me to believe that everyone will join.
But that just doesn't seem like something Oda would do.
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I've been thinking about this myself. I believe it was said that everyone would be marked as criminals for invading Enies Lobby. This leads me to believe that everyone will join.
But that just doesn't seem like something Oda would do.
Maybe Water 7 will secede from the WG. They did try to assassinate it's leader after all. That way the WG wouldn't be able to touch any of the Eneas Lobby 'criminals,' unless they wanted to declare war on W7. Not likely considering how stretched the WG's manpower appears to be atm. It'd also be bad for the WG's public image.
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Well it looks more like Franky will join, seeing we've seen his past which was a little troublesome (as in everyone in the crew had something bad happen to them in the past for interest's sake). Plus he also has a dream. In other words Franky Family went all that way to bring him back only to have him leave.
Though I really want Paulie to join.
My thoughts are that Paulie/Galley-La will build a new ship for the Straw Hats and then Franky joins.
I would say that Paulie is an authorised shipwright but then Franky was taught by Tom so :getlost:There were even slight chances of Kaku joining, which made some sense to me. He seemed to have fun doing his job at Galley La (well he had fun in Water 7 at the least) and he's not all bad. But that doesn't seem to be happening, I'm still wondering if Zoro-kun actually killed Kaku =(
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Ceestar. I'm sorry to go against everything you just said with solid fact. Let's start with kaku. Luffy would never let kaku join. If he let kaku join not only is he letting in someone who tried to kill them, but hes also letting someone join who helped in capturing one of their nakama.
Next, What would be the use of Franky's dream if Galley La built a ship for the strawhats. Unless they're getting another new one later on. Seeing as how Frankys dream is to build his dream ship.
Third, How do we know something bad didn't happen to paulie in the past?
Finally, Past, dreams, they mean NOTHING. Wiper, he had a past and a dream, he didn't join. Robin, she had neither, she joined. What is this, the 4th time i've said this?
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Uh, Ceestar used the past tense when (s)he was talking about Kaku. Nice of you to apologize, though.
And for the manyth time that someone has mentioned Wiper, he was NOT a candidate. He was the definition of hostile, and would have served no purpose, especially since Luffy did not come to Skypiea with the intentions of inducting a pseudo Native American asshole into his crew.
Robin was a suprise, yeah, but she kinda just inserted herself. Luffy wants a shipwright, so there would not be any purpose to having one force himself into the crew. And besides, as random as it probably seemed back then, at least she actually had a giant role in her intro arc anyway.
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
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And for the manyth time that someone has mentioned Wiper, he was NOT a candidate. He was the definition of hostile, and would have served no purpose, especially since Luffy did not come to Skypiea with the intentions of inducting a pseudo Native American asshole into his crew.
Haha. So very true.
I really hope Franky does join. Why? I just think he'd fit. I mean, his dream may not require him to leave W7 or the Franky Family, but I'd imagine he'd just endanger the FF if he were to stay after he gets a bounty, I mean, he could just disband them ala Usopp's pirates or allow them to carry on under Iceburg. Atleast I'd assume the world government would want to patch things up with Iceburg considering losing his ships would be a definite kick to the balls to the Gov't. Why am I assuming Mr. Flam gets a bounty? http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-3/volume38.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=7221
Plus the fact that he is assisting the SH's to save Nico Robin and beat up a member of CP9 and is running amok.Yeah. my logic has holes in it, but whatever.
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I like to mention that Buggy also had a flashback (past) and a dream
and WHY didn t he join the mugiwara s WHY ODA TELL US WHYyyyyyedit: If I remember well Coby , Gaimon , Kaya , Laboon , Vivi , ….
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I like to mention that Buggy also had a flashback (past) and a dream
and WHY didn t he join the mugiwara s WHY ODA TELL US WHYyyyyyedit: If I remember well Coby , Gaimon , Kaya , Laboon , Vivi , ….
all had a past (flashback) and a dream.Well, yes, they did have dreams, but their dreams either clashed with Luffy's, or forced them to stay put. And wasn't Kaya's announced after Luffy set sail?
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Yeah that s just the point –--> What I wanna say is:
It s not just because you have a dream and a flashback that you deserve to be a mugiwara ----> you have to look at the dream , charachter , story , ... itself -----> for instance compare Kaya s dream with Choppers , her dream is just to become a doctor , Chopper wanna cure al existent illnesses in the world ----> you see the gap between their dreams .
Zoro wanna be the BEST swordsmen compare that with Cobys dream he just wanna enter the marines ( he don t wanna take the place of Sengoku , he don t want to arrest the strongest pirate alive --> NO he just wanna be a marine) you see the gap.
Nami wants to make the map of the whole world --> isn t that an impossible dream
Sanji wanna find ALL BLUE the dream of all the chefs in the world --> he ll probably be the first chef that will find it
Robin wanna find the lost history ---> Its a very dangerous and impossible dream and she will be the only one to find itSo now if we see what can be the ultimate dream of a schipwright ----->
-build a schip that can sail the whole world
-build an indestructable schip
-build the most powerfull schip
-build the most speedy schip in the worldand whos the schipwright that has such an impossible dream :
FRANKYand thats why he will join
PS: I forgot Ussop , yeah he wanna be a brave warrior of the seas
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wth? did Franky even reveal his dream? Because i probably forgot =.=;
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wth? did Franky even reveal his dream? Because i probably forgot =.=;
To build a dreamship that can reach the ends of the world.
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I spotted this over at j-list.com
The May-June page of the 2007 Toei animation calendar.
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I spotted this over at j-list.com
The May-June page of the 2007 Toei animation calendar.
Obviously a red herring to make us think Paulie WON'T join.
But we all know he will.
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Wow, denial, haha. But I gotta wonder if all these things are red herrings or misinformed; games, toys, anime pics, etc. When it's not from Oda it's fair game.
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It's all up to Oda to prove everyone wrong or right….....
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Ahaha…. yeah, Paulie's not joining.
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Franky owns all with a DON!
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Franky made love with a DON!
That's why he is joining - gayest new design.
ONE PIECE…. It tames the savage geek.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm thinking Franky will join too (even though I'd much rather Paulie or Kaku join, but this is a Franky VS Paulie thread). Though I'm rather surprised (and happy) to see that in the first poll people thought Paulie would join XD
But… Franky joining seems really obvious? I'm not sure, I just want to see a huge twist, two much Home and Away for me =.="(Aussie soap). I didn't start watching up to date subs until almost the trip to Enies Lobby o_o" So I've never really seen an arc end without already knowing what happens (Water 7 arc doesn't count, cause it slid into the Enies Lobby arc).
Ok...Franky will most likely join, I'd like Paulie to join, Kaku joining would be awesome (Kaku being the one I wanted to join when I first watched the Water 7 arc before I started reading the manga and I think even before the whole CP9 thing). For the 'sad past' thing, you never know ><" Paulie could have a sad past! Though I wouldn't mind digging into Kaku's past and just how he managed to become a CP9 agent, and I'd love to see the training they all went through...sliding off topic, sorry...
For all we know Iceburg could join, XD There's a thought I'm sure people have expressed but I haven't seen ^^"
And as keen as I am to see how this arc will end, when/if Franky joins, I'm really not looking foward to the inevitable 'I told you so' threads that will surely be popping up. Actually so long as ANYONE joins I'm sure at least a thread or two will come along. Franky mostly, and Paulie coming in second.
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for me, I don't care who joins….... I used to dislike Franky, but that has change....... Franky, Paulie, Kaku...... doesn't matter who joins...... get on with the adventuring!!!!
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Ok im not that happy about Franky joining but then again theres a bear thing and a demented nose guy already so Im not surprised that a gay robot will join…...I really wanted paulie though..... or Kaku would be nice. But seroiusly Franky doesnt even wear pants. Im hopping Franky dies when he tries to kill those marines ships and actually self destructs...NOT farting (thats the thing that pisses me off hte most about franky)
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If I had a chance to vote, it would have been for Franky. Hees tou koul 4 skhoul!
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Sentynal- Well I wouldn't go as far as wanting Franky dead, but I know there are people above him on my list of who I want to 8th member to be.
I would really like something non-predicatable, something surprising! That's always fun and enjoyable! Like how Pirates of the Carbbiean 2 ended, that was awesome!
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So… when a guy who everybody thought would be a main villain of an arc turned out to be a new Straw Hat instead of a certain mister obvious choice and his two-dimensional pals, it's not surprising?
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Paulie ties dials into the knots on his rope and becomes the master of multieffect rope fighting so nyaaaaaa. Really, its not like fighting skill is important to being a straw hat pirate, Usopp is dead weight and Nami was too untill she got the weather stick
I refuse to believe anyone thought Franky would be the act villian. Cyborg in a speedo with a close knit family of theives? It screams misunderstood good guy.
But i hope its someone young, i like how its a crew of kinds :-p
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I have to agree. Anybody who actually thought Franky would end up being the arc villain has something or two loose in their head.
Of course, at first I didn't expect him to be the next Straw Hat, but I certainly didn't expect him to be a big villain or anything close to it.
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I have to agree. Anybody who actually thought Franky would end up being the arc villain has something or two loose in their head.
Of course, at first I didn't expect him to be the next Straw Hat, but I certainly didn't expect him to be a big villain or anything close to it.
Well, it was after Foxy, and the fact that Iceburg was shot by a masked assailent, and Franky was introduced in that costume with mask on. So it's not a stretch to think he was an antagonist. But whatever, I started following One Piece in March, what the hell do I know.
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I have to agree. Anybody who actually thought Franky would end up being the arc villain has something or two loose in their head.
Of course, at first I didn't expect him to be the next Straw Hat, but I certainly didn't expect him to be a big villain or anything close to it.
So, back when he was a mysterious big guy with a wacky mask and hairy forearms sticking out, you thought he'd be good? I thought actually Ice would be the villain, but nothing like where Franky stands now.
Following it weekly, there were a few people that thought Franky would be good. When all he did was kick Usopp in the face.
You know, if I were to guess right now that Nami would let loose a demonic burp and send Lucci into another dimension, and she did just that, it actually wouldn't say anything about my guessing skills.
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
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So, back when he was a mysterious big guy with a wacky mask and hairy forearms sticking out, you thought he'd be good?
Following it weekly, there were a few people that thought Franky would be good. When all he did was kick Usopp in the face.
You know, if I were to guess right now that Nami would let loose a demonic burp and send Lucci into another dimension, and she did just that, it actually wouldn't say anything about my guessing skills.
Like I said, I never expected him to be a good guy. But I would certainly not expect him to be the big villain of the arc, as Yoska mentioned. I certainly don't think that's much of a stretch. I mean, speedo-wearing cyborg with Ace Ventura hair? Sorry, doesn't scream "EVIL VILLAIN!" like Enel or Crocodile.
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What I mentioned was his very first appearance. And his 335 appearance was wild, but if you went by cheekiness then you'd end up thinking Doflamingo will battle Whitebeard alongside Luffy or something.
Not a main villain, but a villain, and it was hard to doubt until maybe the end of 336. That's enough of a stretch.
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
