I have an inexplicaple hatred for the whole Historia faction so I'd prefer if Levi & friends would just kill them all. Maybe Eren could eat them.
Attack on Titan: Why Genocide Is Sometimes Kind of Okay
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btw, the Levi OVA is out. I liked it better than the manga version. They did a lot better of a job introducing Farlan and Isabel, also as expected some of the action sequences looked really nice.
Do you mean RAW or Subbed? If subbed: Link pls? <3
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@Galaxy:
.. WHAT THE FUCK! I was JUST there and looked!
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Roar, that was rly good. I'm such a victim when it comes to Levi |D...
when's the next part coming out?
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Poster for upcoming Shingeki no Kyojin live-adaptation movie:
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Wow. this could be rly great.
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Wonky CG, new added characters just for the movie. Changed plot and so on. I wouldn't get my hopes up too high about it being good. :)
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I would welcome a different plot tbh. Characters is another thing, tho..
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Since One Piece seems to be having another huge x-mas break, I decided to read some new mangas, and I decided to try this one out, since it's so popular and all. So… is it worth it? And why exactly is it called Attack on Titan in the English variation, while it's obviously Attack of Titans? I' not afraid of spoilers, so please, explain.
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@Lao:
Since One Piece seems to be having another huge x-mas break, I decided to read some new mangas, and I decided to try this one out, since it's so popular and all. So… is it worth it? And why exactly is it called Attack on Titan in the English variation, while it's obviously Attack of Titans? I' not afraid of spoilers, so please, explain.
Currently at chapter 4.I think it's worth it, but I think you should watch the anime first instead. It's nearly identical to the manga (aside from a few things towards the end) and it's pretty great in the animation and music department.
And this explains the translation of the title.
It really is called "Attack on Titan" though. Attack on Titan is written in English on the Japanese volume covers.
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I think it's just Engrish, which happens a lot in manga. It works both ways, as it's as much about the attempts of counterattack by humanity as it is about the Titans attacking. Since I do love it, what else can I say that it is worth it? Maybe some slower parts (which I do find important in their own way), but some great high points. You pick up the series at a good point, too, another set-up section ended in the manga with a pretty big reveal and we're back to action.
I'd also reccommend the catch up with the anime and then the manga. The anime has some great animation and direction, along with great music to back it up. There are slight changes where the anime stops, but I'd honestly reccommend both versions.
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Yay, a new fan! Almost…
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Also, I first watched the Anime (In one go on one day...) then read the manga where the Anime left off. Then I bought the german volumes currently available and started reading the manga from the start. Anime and Manga really are very close just that the Anime has a bit different approach on things that happened, meaning in the manga you get some huge flashbacks that the anime just put in the right order where it happened basically. Uhm, for better understanding:
Manga: First attack where Eren's mother gets eaten, second attack and what comes after, flashback to the training days
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I like the anime's ordering better, but I'm sad they skipped a couple of scenes. I like the Eren and Annie dynamic and I feel like although it's a small scene, I liked Annie offering Eren to teach him. It's sort of subtly implied in the anime that he learned from her, too, but it's more obvious in the manga because of that scene. Who knows, maybe they'll find room to include it in season 2 to put more emphasis on it because it's important later.
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Alright I've recently watched the anime and read the manga, but I just want to confirm recent events:
! So okay.
! 1. Way before wall Maria fell, Eren's father had the power of a Titan, and for some unknown reason attacked the Reiss family, eating Frieda and taking her royal memory power doodad, and killed whole family.
2. Before wall Maria falls, Eren's father leaves "to get on a ship", telling Eren that he'll show him something in the basement when he gets back.
3. Wall Maria falls, Eren's mother killed by a Titan.
4. Sometime after that, Eren's father returns, injects Eren with something (memory eraser serum?) and tells him to get revenge for his mother, also tells him to go to the basement, Eren eats him. And forgets about the whole thing?
5. Eren joins military etc.
! So my question is.. Was there ever a point in the story early on where Eren had a lapse of memory which is when Eren ate his father? -
I remember the anime much better, but there was a wierd memory lapse after Wall Maria fell and they got on the ships, where afterwards when Eren woke up, it was shown he had the key. I assume, that's the blank where his father visited him and was killed.
Oh, hey, there's a bunch of kickass remixes of the OST.
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Makes sense.
More questions:
! -I wonder if Eren's father meant to get eaten by Eren. Judging by the "get back" positions of the arms in Eren's memories which are actually his father's, it doesn't seem so.
! -who did his father want him to get revenge on? Christa's father? The Titan that killed his mother? The people who ordered the Titan attack?
! -colossal and armoured Titan dudes attacked wall Maria with a purpose. But at the end, their objective was to take Eren and Christa. Was capturing Eren's father the original purpose, but then he wasn't there?
Maybe after escaping after the attack is when Eren's father got eaten, then they only found out later that it was Eren who had the power and had to try to take him instead, along with Christa, alive?
! -they were trying to take him back to their "hometown" presumably where monkey Titan is? Maybe there's some connection between Christa's bloodline, the power that Eren has, and monkey.
! All these questions will be answered next time.. On Dragonball Z -
Are you entirely sure you have caught up with the ongoing manga, Femme? Some of your questions have been answered recently.
For the reference, the latest released chapter is chapter 64.
Alright I've recently watched the anime and read the manga, but I just want to confirm recent events:
! So okay.
! 1. Way before wall Maria fell, Eren's father had the power of a Titan, and for some unknown reason attacked the Reiss family, eating Frieda and taking her royal memory power doodad, and killed whole family.
2. Before wall Maria falls, Eren's father leaves "to get on a ship", telling Eren that he'll show him something in the basement when he gets back.
3. Wall Maria falls, Eren's mother killed by a Titan.
4. Sometime after that, Eren's father returns, injects Eren with something (memory eraser serum?) and tells him to get revenge for his mother, also tells him to go to the basement, Eren eats him. And forgets about the whole thing?
5. Eren joins military etc.
! So my question is.. Was there ever a point in the story early on where Eren had a lapse of memory which is when Eren ate his father?! You are getting the order wrong.
! Grisha Yaeger left Shiganshina on the day Wall Maria fell with his stated reason being examinations in another town. In the next few days he reached the Reiss family estate, killed Frieda and got the coordinate from her. Afterwards, he went to find Eren among the refugees, get eaten by him and implant him with the coordinate.@Femme:! -I wonder if Eren's father meant to get eaten by Eren. Judging by the "get back" positions of the arms in Eren's memories which are actually his father's, it doesn't seem so.
! Since the only way to pass the ultimate titan memories powers is for the previous owner to get eaten by the next one, Grisha must have planned to get eaten.@Femme:
! -who did his father want him to get revenge on? Christa's father? The Titan that killed his mother? The people who ordered the Titan attack?
! Your guess is as good as anybody else's.@Femme:
! -colossal and armoured Titan dudes attacked wall Maria with a purpose. But at the end, their objective was to take Eren and Christa. Was capturing Eren's father the original purpose, but then he wasn't there?
Maybe after escaping after the attack is when Eren's father got eaten, then they only found out later that it was Eren who had the power and had to try to take him instead, along with Christa, alive?! As far as they should have known, the coordinate was in possession of the Reiss family. So their plan was to infiltrate the walls, and search for the Reiss family members. Sgiganshina wasn't their direct objective, only the entry point.
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Aaaand thank you for that! I marathoned the show in 2 days and read the rest of the manga this morning so my understanding was all jumbly jumbly.
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! So that means Grisha's revenge is not aimed at Reiss family but at the Titans who attacked or whoever directed the attack.
! Why did the revenge have to be carried out by Eren rather than he himself? I hope the answer isn't too MAGICAL EREN IS THE ONE type of thing.
! Secondly, since the two dudes were taking Eren back alive, it means they might have intended to feed him to a Titan.
! Oh I forgot something. If Grisha got to the Reiss family before the other titans did, that means that he has the same information as them which means that he might have visited/belonged to the "hometown" as well.
! Maybe it was something like, all the titans learned about the container and what would happen if it was obtained/handed over, and it turned out to be some sorta widespread destruction so Grisha got it and gave it to his son instead to protect mankind. -
Oh the terror of speedreading.
Aaaand thank you for that! I marathoned the show in 2 days and read the rest of the manga this morning so my understanding was all jumbly jumbly.
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! So that means Grisha's revenge is not aimed at Reiss family but at the Titans who attacked or whoever directed the attack.
! Why did the revenge have to be carried out by Eren rather than he himself? I hope the answer isn't too MAGICAL EREN IS THE ONE type of thing.! After killing the whole Reiss family, Grisha would become the most wanted man inside the walls. Passing the coordinate to Eren was a gamble, but at least it was a way to keep it safe for the future.
! Or maybe he just had a bad case of the Japanese anime cold and didn't have much to live.@Femme:! Secondly, since the two dudes were taking Eren back alive, it means they might have intended to feed him to a Titan.
! Reiner did try persuading Eren when he broke, so maybe he thought there was a chance to recruit Eren to their cause.
! Eating him was still the most likely option.@Femme:! Oh I forgot something. If Grisha got to the Reiss family before the other titans did, that means that he has the same information as them which means that he might have visited/belonged to the "hometown" as well.
! Maybe it was something like, all the titans learned about the container and what would happen if it was obtained/handed over, and it turned out to be some sorta widespread destruction so Grisha got it and gave it to his son instead to protect mankind.! With Eren having an uncanny resemblance to Frieda, Yaeger family might be a branch family of the Reiss family. Or maybe it's just a bad case of Isayama sameface. But if Grisha was a shifter from outside the walls, it hasn't been hinted at yet.See, even though we received some answers lately it still hard to speculate around all the maybes.
But then again mystery is the appeal of this manga.
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Indeed-amundo. Figuring out the mysterious bits have been quite fun. In other mangas I woulda been like "meh, I'll just see what happens later."
I LIKE TURTLES
Edit: oya I noticed the resemblance too!
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God bless you, says my pet turtle of 17 years.
Too bad it's just a hilarious reference that me and her did not get.
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God bless you, says my pet turtle of 17 years.
Too bad it's just a hilarious reference that me and her did not get.
:O 17 years!!
What a precious old turtle.
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Well, this a honest and really interesting interview.
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wow, he actually looks rly hot o_o
… and the most unqualified post goes toooo... me! XD
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Interesting how Isayama himself acknowledges that this arc, while necessary for the story, might not be to everyone's liking… I mean personally I think all this elaborating on the world is quite interesting, but yeah, looking at people's reactions both here and elsewhere, it's clear that his fears were not quite unfounded.
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Chapter 65 Spoilers:
! Summary: anon from 4chan
! Chapter 65 - “Blood”
Year 834
! From Kenny’s memories:
! A young Kenny in the underground, sharpening his knife.
He’s with a comrade (?), both wearing MP uniforms.
"Even though we have no idea why we’re so hated, we have to gamble - go into the capital to interrogate the King."
(T/N: This sounds like Ackermans disguising themselves?)
"How is Levi?"
"He’s fine. He doesn’t know a thing so better to leave him underground. Maybe he escaped already…wouldn’t know where he went. He always acts like an idiot."
"…let’s go, then."
Flashback transitions into capital
Kenny and his men killed a lot of MP as they fight their way towards the King.
Kenny cut someone’s throat (May have triggered his Ackerman powers here)
They arrive at the King’s door - just as they try to kill the MP guard there the guard transforms into a Titan via a bite to the hand.
Kenny is captured.
! MP: Big brother, what are you doing? (Another guard is apparently Rod’s younger brother)
Rod exits from the King’s chambers. The King is asleep inside, completely sedated.
Rod: “Ah, I have to ask…you’re an Ackerman, aren’t you?”
Kenny: “So what if I am?”
Rod: “Why are you playing dumb?”
Kenny: “You bastards will never understand…we barely have a reason to live on. We cannot go outside, other than living underground in fear. My wife was killed…while all of you are heroes to those within the walls! Why is it like this? What is this power??”
Rod: “Titan Shifting, you mean? So far no one within the walls are aware of this secret yet I believe…the legend of being able to transform. Humanity has its own sins, and we took advantage of the power to become the ones in charge.” (T/N: Something like that)
"Ha…"
Rod tosses his brother a glance.
They release Kenny from the Titan’s right hand.
Rod: “To discriminate against your kind is what we had to do. The power you wield is a threat to us…however, if you swear loyalty and never betray us, we will stop the persecution.”
Kenny: “Ha? Don’t joke.”
! (Back to the present under the chapel)
Kenny: “My ‘King,’ you said only those who consume the Reiss can become rulers…is that a lie?”
Rod: “You are betraying me first, are you not? You want to eat my daughter, who inherited the power from my brother, and make me lose my authority. Plus…”
He sees the basement key in Kenny’s hands.
Eren glares at Kenny.
! Rod (To Eren): “You must be shocked, too. Frieda’s power is already within you…I’ve never understood why Grisha wanted to kill us, but I finally know now. There is not much time left - however, we can capture that single bit of hope for the future…come on, Historia, we’ve wasted too many words. Let’s end it here.”
Rod doesn’t inject Historia but HIMSELF instead.
At that moment, female soldier rushes into the cavern.
"Captain Ackerman! The Survey Corps already—-"
Her head falls to the ground.
Levi and Mikasa charge in, followed by the 104th.
To be continued in March Issue
! Additional Isayama Q&A (?):
Erwin is single still, so how about Levi?
Isayama: He has never had a relationship, so he is single.
! Some more Information from Darjaille/Mangahelpers:
! • Kenny isn't Levi's father
Mother was a prostitute [not sure whose mother, but probably Levi's?]
• [Ackerman lineage is?] Lineage that can't have their memories tampered with
•Kenny's younger sister was "Kusheru"/ "Kshel" A part of the family lived near Shiganshina but they were poor
•The first kind of the injection will make titan body split [?]
•Armin is shouting in the forest
•The injection is used
•Eren talks after a long time
! Dat ending. :)
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! Yeah, it feels like a dirty cliffhanger, but I'm just glad that all characters that matters in this arc are in one room.
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you and your spoilers.. always so hard to resist >3<
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turns out those were wrong.
! https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2999075-Shingeki-no-Kyojin-Chapter-65-Spoiler-Pics-Summaries
! We get Baby 5 Eren instead and it's pretty sad. I know a lot of people hate him, but geez.
! 注射器を構えるヒストリア
Historia readies the syringe
ヒストリア「……..な 何でよ!?」
H: W-why!?
「…エレン 何で巨人化しないの?」
…Eren, why aren't you transforming?
「私が巨人化したら食べられるんだよ….そのままだと」
You'll get eaten once I transform... if you stay like that
厳しい表情が崩れ エレンに問いかけ始めるヒストリア
Historia's stern expression vanishes as she frantically talks to Eren
! ロッド「やるんだ!!ヒストリア!!」
Rod: Do it now, Historia!!
エレン「…いらなかったんだよ….」
Eren: I was unnecessary...
ヒストリア「…え?」
Historia: Eh?
エレン「俺も…俺の親父も….」
Eren: Me... and my dad...
「親父が5年前にここでこんなことをしなければ…お前の姉ちゃんが全て何とかしてくれるはずだったんだろ?
If my dad hadn't done this 5 years ago... your sister could have somehow worked everything out, right?
俺と親父が巨人の力をあるべきところから盗んだせいで…一体どれだけの人が死んだ…
How many people have died...? All because me and my dad stole the Titan Power from where it belonged...
アルミンのじいちゃん トーマス…ミイナ…ナック..ミリウス….マルコ…リヴァイ班のみんな…
Armin's grandpa, Thomas... Miina... Nack... Mirius... Marco, the people from Levi's team...
ストヘス区の住人…俺を助けようとした兵士 …ハンネスさん」
The people in Suthes District... the soldiers who tried to save me... Hannes
「それだけじゃないが…とても俺は償いきれない…」
There were others, of course... but I can't atone for them all.
! 「いらなかったんだよ あの訓練の日々も 壁の外へ の夢も」
Those days of training and my dream of the outside world, they were all useless
「オレは いらなかったんだ」
I wasn't needed
! 泣きながら語るエレンとそれを見つめるヒストリア
Historia stares at Eren as he sobs through this
そしてフリーダ?の背を見送る幼き頃のヒストリアの描写
A scene of young Historia looking at Frida's back
エレンは だからせめてお前の手で終わらせてくれと続ける
So at least end it all with your hands, says Eren
エレン「ヒストリア…オレを食って 人類を救ってくれ」
Eren: "Historia... eat me and save Humanity. PLease
「あとは…任せた」
It's all up to you now
ケニーとロッドももう騒ぐ様子もなく静観している様子
Kenny and Rod silently look on
ヒストリア「エレン…あの時は..」
Historia: "Eren... I was really happy
「私を普通のやつだって言ってくれてうれしかったよ」
"when you told me I was a normal person that time"
プス
injects serum
! 地下に広がる大きな光
A blinding light fills the cavern
リヴァイ「クソッ….まさか…」
Levi: Shit... it can't be...
ジャン「巨人…!」
Jean: A Titan...!
ミカサ「….エレン」
Mikasa: ...Eren
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Are those Spoilers confirmed, Kizuchan? Damn, I would have prefered the fake Spoiler.
! Very text-heavy Chapter. I think the time is near, when the Mainantagonist of this Story appears. All sides want freedom and defeat the Titans with every possible kind of Way. The end of this Chapter reminds me somehow at the Cliffhanger in the Chapter, when they catched the female Titan. There are so much possibilities. Will Levi and Mikasa fight with Historia and Kenny? Will Eren come to ones senses and fight? Will something other unexpected happen? Im tensed.
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aaand it's out on Crunchyroll. I really do feel bad for Eren. Find it annoying or whatever, but considering what both Eren and Historia have gone through all of this makes sense from an emotional standpoint. I also care about Kenny now. What he said about Historia, I think echoes the thoughts of many and that flashback humanized him a little. That cliffhanger, tho. Though there are certain options, but I still don't know what to expect, always like that. Solid chapter. It's been uphill since the twist with Eren's father.
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Aaaaaargh I wish I didn't start watching/reading till like a year from now. Month-long waits are the worst.
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Oh my, Historia is a sheep
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Mikasa will right all the wrongs
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chrunchyroll doesn't work for me… someone got a link to somehwere else?
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meant it as a dumb meme joke. [insert character] did nothing wrong.
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I meant she inherited the blood of the Ackermans and the Asians. She's the biggest threat to Reiss family next to Eren.
This thing bothered me alot more than it should have.
I mean how does that help ? She gets double defense mechanism against memory wiping ?
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I think the Ackerman part is related to the strength burst she had. The Asians, plus the other clans that didn't rebel are just immune to memory-wiping.
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Wow… what a chapter.
Really curious how this will all pan out. But it's not very likely that Eren will actually get eaten, right? I mean.. main guy and all..
Or he gets eaten and spit out again or something? But if he loses his power he'd become pretty useless...
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If he grows some G.R.R.M balls, then he certainly could kill a main character for good to have more realism and consequences. xD I assume the series has been pretty much relentless in that regard so far right? Or are the main main charachters spared from any actual deadly harm?
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All of the main characters have some pretty thick plot armor, yeah, so it's pretty unlikely that Eren's gonna kick the bucket.
Get eaten, on the other hand, he's already had that happen.
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If he grows some G.R.R.M balls, then he certainly could kill a main character for good to have more realism and consequences.
Game of Thrones spoilers below, maybe.
! Even Martin isn't killing main characters such as Tyrion, Daenerys, or Jon until "at least" the end of the book series. Just think of the luck they've had in getting out of certain death (moreso with Jon and Tyrion though).
Can't see the main protagonist of the manga dying until "at least" the end, if at all.
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Eren's been put into situation like this before, this is why his death would just be awkward to me. At the same time, how will they get out of this without feeding Historia a shifter and without killing her?
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@Galaxy:
Game of Thrones spoilers below, maybe.
! Even Martin isn't killing main characters such as Tyrion, Daenerys, or Jon until "at least" the end of the book series. Just think of the luck they've had in getting out of certain death (moreso with Jon and Tyrion though).
Can't see the main protagonist of the manga dying until "at least" the end, if at all.
Oh man, I am so afraid of opening that, cause I am only up to date with the series.^^
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Oh man, I am so afraid of opening that, cause I am only up to date with the series.^^
If you've watched the show, it shouldn't spoil you. That's the context I used.
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Since this arc is ending soon, one way or another, I want to get some facts straight. I've been wondering what Pixis and Erwin, now in full control of nearly everything, will do next? They have to get some infos out of Eren or Historia about the outside village, which is, according to Reiner and Berthold pretty far away. Also logic dictates it is well hidden and/or has good defenses.
Another goal would be the cellar of Erens house. But didn't Eren told everyone about that? So the three Shifters may have looted this place already on their way home.
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This thing bothered me alot more than it should have.
I mean how does that help ? She gets double defense mechanism against memory wiping ?
-She's got a strength burst
-She can't get her memory wiped
-She's probably the second strongest after Levy
-She's fiercely loyal to Eren and ever chased after Annie in Titan mode when Eren was in danger, so Historia in berserker mode is fucked
-Eren would kill anyone and everyone to protect Mikasa and ArminBasically, she now has plot armor against anything Reiss throws at her, and her picking a fight with Reiss means Eren will pick a fight with him too. Reiss can't beat one of huamnity's greatest soldiers and the coordinate with just Historia, and with Armin there, it's even more hopeless.
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-She's got a strength burst
-She can't get her memory wiped
-She's probably the second strongest after Levy
-She's fiercely loyal to Eren and ever chased after Annie in Titan mode when Eren was in danger, so Historia in berserker mode is fucked
-Eren would kill anyone and everyone to protect Mikasa and ArminBasically, she now has plot armor against anything Reiss throws at her, and her picking a fight with Reiss means Eren will pick a fight with him too. Reiss can't beat one of huamnity's greatest soldiers and the coordinate with just Historia, and with Armin there, it's even more hopeless.
Yes but which part of your list is asian, this all looks Ackerman-ish, which makes the Asian blood redundant therefore useless.
I may have missed stuff but i genuinely can't see what's the Asian "power" beside immunity to memory wiping (which is also an Ackerman trait).
I think the Ackerman part is related to the strength burst she had. The Asians, plus the other clans that didn't rebel are just immune to memory-wiping.
But the thing is Kenny's grandad specifically says that the Ackermans also are immune to memory wiping, so i wonder what's the Asian blood's use.