I'm game for some 1v1 practice. For glory isn't cutting it.
What I've learned from For Glory players thus far in my brief excursion in that mode:
Yeah I'd say it was 50/50 between Palutena and my Greninja. I really need to get practice time with him more often, I feel like he's untapped. You really gotta watch out for Shadow Sneak (even though those were the most satisfying kills for me), as that got you a bunch, especially from off the stage.
The ZSS WFT was an excellent match also, though with a dumb input malfunction suicide on my part.
It was also the first time I've ever faced a human controlled Rosalina, and it was pretty interesting trying to figure out how to go about it. I was glad I was able to two stock Roasalina as Little Mac, since I've spent most my time training with him to overcome his weaknesses and to learn how to play unorthodox with him as he is one of the most predictable characters in the game (a big part of me really wants to be Little Mac so I can overcome common counters against him). It helped once I realized Luma couldn't actually walk forward by herself, and tried to strategize around that.
You're definitely excellent all around, and a blast to play with! (though I still can't take Wii Fit Trainer seriously…)
Who do you think I'm best with? Since I honestly don't know and am still undecided towards my pick for the tourney.
Shadow sneak was actually something I wasn't too afraid of and could see coming a lot …. in the ground. When we were in the air I didn't expect it as much, and that got you some good comeback kills as a result xD
But yea, Palutena vs. Greninja is a pretty even match-up, I'd say, and in any stage.
Would definitely consider your Greninja the best you have, as it was the one you do a greater variety of things with which means less punishment. With Lucario and ZSS you fell into patterns I could notice quickly and punish accordingly even if they were fast and strong enough for me to fear nonetheless. With Lucario in particular you kind of got desperate with side B at one point and I was able to punish with reflect once I realized, hey, I can reflect this! Meanwhile, your Little Mac is good but not the best it could be, imo. You should play Ouroboros, I think he has the most satisfying Mac I've seen.
But Greninja, man, you got so creative and unexpected and whenever I threw something new at you you adapted and went around it. Great matches those, and complex until the end nearly all the time. It also felt like you were constantly learning as the matches went on. I would say you need to be careful with hydro pump and not weaponize it too much, since it did kill you once. It also wasn't going to gimp a character like Palutena who can deal with air time rather well. It does make me wonder the wonders it could do with other characters though xD
Such fun stuff, which I could use Greninja like that but I suck at him so bad, and ZSS as well. Something about characters that can jump high and fall fast just feels tough for me to use.
And yea, my weakness with RosaLuma is that sometimes I focus so much on Luma positioning and management that I neglect Rosalina herself, but then in the match against Greninja I started moving away from that a bit more given the pummeling I got from Mac. WFT and Rosalina are characters that until last night I hadn't used with people, and I'm pleased with the results so far, even though WFT always feels like such an uphill battle.
Just now saw this. Another friend hopped in first, but I'm free now if you're still up for a few sets.
If you're still on I have a room open. No worries if you're not. I'm just working on other stuff with my 3DS open next to me.
If you're still on I have a room open. No worries if you're not. I'm just working on other stuff with my 3DS open next to me.
If it's still there, I can't see it…What's your Mii name?
After playing the people here that I have… I'm kinda worried I'm gonna get destroyed in the For Glory tournament lol.
I'm not very good anymore apparently.
Great, now I'M starting to fear for my chances after that lousy performance I just gave.
Great, now I'M starting to fear for my chances after that lousy performance I just gave.
Lousy? what game were you watching? Your Lucina wiped the floor with my Mario, and if it hadn't been for an accidental Self Destruct on your part, my Mega Man would have lost to her too.
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Lousy? what game were you watching? Your Lucina wiped the floor with my Mario, and if it hadn't been for an accidental Self Destruct on your part, my Mega Man would have lost to her too.
I think it was the first few matches when I played Robin and you were Mario. I've come to fear the endless stream of fireballs Mario throws at me whenever I'm Robin. It was a giant task just trying to approach you without getting scorched or tossed in the air by your dash attack. I think my Robin just doesn't match up well against Mario.
Robin is probably the character I'm struggling with the most to use. Haven't found a good rhythm with her just yet, and it doesn't help I want to devote so much time to Palutena.
That said, I seriously don't want to give up on the character given she means so much to me. Even if I do better with other characters like Lucina @_@
My Mario really is the best I can do, and that's honestly not good…
I'm really kicking myself now since I DID used to be pro tournament level in the Mele days... but the mechanics changes of the games since then plus me not playing for YEARS between Brawl and Smash 4 have REALLY dulled my play style.
I'm not going to do well in the For Glory tournament lol. Hopefully it's fun tho.
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Robin is probably the character I'm struggling with the most to use. Haven't found a good rhythm with her just yet, and it doesn't help I want to devote so much time to Palutena.
That said, I seriously don't want to give up on the character given she means so much to me. Even if I do better with other characters like Lucina @_@
For me, my biggest problem with Robin is that since she's so slow, she has a really hard time approaching others. It's a nightmare especially when I fight Rin's Mario who just stonewalls me with those cursed fireballs.
What trait of Robin are you struggling with most of all? I might be able to give you some pointers.
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My Mario really is the best I can do, and that's honestly not good…
I'm really kicking myself now since I DID used to be pro tournament level in the Mele days... but the mechanics changes of the games since then plus me not playing for YEARS between Brawl and Smash 4 have REALLY dulled my play style.
I'm not going to do well in the For Glory tournament lol. Hopefully it's fun tho.
Pro-tourney level back in Melee???? Damn, that's amazing since I couldn't even get the hang of wavedashing. But I'm still kind of stuck in Melee physics, which shows because I'm always jumping all over the place and forgetting that L-canceling doesn't exist anymore. Brawl and Smash 4 have not been kind to the air based combat that dominated Melee.
For me, my biggest problem with Robin is that since she's so slow, she has a really hard time approaching others. It's a nightmare especially when I fight Rin's Mario who just stonewalls me with those cursed fireballs.
What trait of Robin are you struggling with most of all? I might be able to give you some pointers.
Pretty much that. With all other characters I find ways to approach and force their hand, but with Robin I'm not always quite sure what to do. Pk fire* works well sometimes, but against actual people who know how to play it's easy to avoid, and when it does hit I suck at the follow up and then find myself in the same situation.
Basically, I feel like with Robin I tend to be more at the mercy of others than with other characters.
*intentional.
Pro-tourney level back in Melee???? Damn, that's amazing since I couldn't even get the hang of wavedashing. But I'm still kind of stuck in Melee physics, which shows because I'm always jumping all over the place and forgetting that L-canceling doesn't exist anymore. Brawl and Smash 4 have not been kind to the air based combat that dominated Melee.
Picking up Mele and Project M for me is kinda like riding a bike lol. When playing as Marth or Luigi in Mele or Project M… I don't walk or run, I wavedash for all my movement.
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Pretty much that. With all other characters I find ways to approach and force their hand, but with Robin I'm not always quite sure what to do. Pk fire* works well sometimes, but against actual people who know how to play it's easy to avoid, and when it does hit I suck at the follow up and then find myself in the same situation.
Basically, I feel like with Robin I tend to be more at the mercy of others than with other characters.
*intentional.
Hmmm, the same problem huh. Well, in my case Arcfire is used primarily to buy time establishing a safe zone in front of Robin. It's pretty disruptive to other players, so you can sort of use it from far away to help close the distance, charge thunder, or whatever while they're busy avoiding it. It's a gamble though, since sometimes I'm either too far or too close to use it properly, and they just avoid it pathetically easily. I'm thinking of applying Thunder to the approach problem, but I don't have many opportunities to do so, since most players are content to run at me.
Hmmm, the same problem huh. Well, in my case Arcfire is used primarily to buy time establishing a safe zone in front of Robin. It's pretty disruptive to other players, so you can sort of use it from far away to help close the distance, charge thunder, or whatever while they're busy avoiding it. It's a gamble though, since sometimes I'm either too far or too close to use it properly, and they just avoid it pathetically easily. I'm thinking of applying Thunder to the approach problem, but I don't have many opportunities to do so, since most players are content to run at me.
My main problem from it is that when windows for punishment open up I can't take advantage of them as well as I can with other characters. Definitely need to practice her more, and it surprises me soooo many people seem to use Robin but I don't see the character causing a huge splash in for glory like mac. Granted, I've been involved in Palutena so I havent done research on Robin. Her time will come I suppose.
Robin is a very weird character. She's definitely the main of mine that I'm least comfortable with. Her slowness is kinda awkward and while jab is good, it's not enough of a GTFO move.
I just played a bit of a Training round with Robin and I must say, I like a lot of her moves and assets, but there's a few things I really dislike about her too…
Like, why do all of her Specials and even all of her Smashes have a limit to usage? I like to use her Arc Fire in much the same way as Mario's fireballs, for spacing and to disrupt what my opponents are trying to do to create openings, and Arc fire is REALLY good for this because it acts almost exactly like PK Fire and holds the opponent there for a moment so you can strike...
So why is it Limited? Sakurai didn't think Ness was too OP when he gave Ness Unlimited PK Fire, so why does Robin have to have a limit? And only having a finite number of Smash attacks I can perform before my smashes are gimped is also no bueno.
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My main problem from it is that when windows for punishment open up I can't take advantage of them as well as I can with other characters. Definitely need to practice her more, and it surprises me soooo many people seem to use Robin but I don't see the character causing a huge splash in for glory like mac. Granted, I've been involved in Palutena so I havent done research on Robin. Her time will come I suppose.
Robin is definitely not kind to newcomers like Mac is since she's so unorthodox and quirky. She's really all about stage control, resource management, and stone walling other players until they make a mistake. Robin's a monster at punishing, but most people simply don't have the patience to wait for the other person to slip up nor the skills and reflexes to take advantage of that split second opening. It's a shame that her weapons have limited uses, since that puts one hell of a damper on her defensive gameplay. It pretty much forces you to go on the offensive when you fight projectile spammers, and that's something you want to avoid at all costs with Robin since she can't approach for crap. And therein lies my biggest problem with her.
So why is it Limited? Sakurai didn't think Ness was too OP when he gave Ness Unlimited PK Fire, so why does Robin have to have a limit? And only having a finite number of Smash attacks I can perform before my smashes are gimped is also no bueno.
If you're asking why for character reasons, it's because Fire Emblem Awakening, and I'm assuming other games in the series, have weapons that break after limited use. If you're asking why for gameplay/balancing reasons, your guess is as good as mine. Heck, can't weapons in Earthbound break too?
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Heck, can't weapons in Earthbound break too?
Nope .
I'd imagine that there's some special properties to Robin such as the variety of different ways the thunder tomes work depending on how much is charged as well as robin's stronger air specials when you input smash attacks as the general benefit, although going by FE logic, the bronze sword should break too, lol. I don't really think Arcfire is as effective as PK Fire, though, but Elwind is pretty great for recovery due to the two boosts. Really I think Robin is all about what Ouroboros said, which is resource management and building up more damage through smaller hits and using smashes and stronger attacks when they matter the most.
I don't play Robin all that much, though, but that's because I've been trying to complete challenges like the damn "complete ____ with all characters" stuff
Equipment in Skyward Sword can break. None of Link's stuff breaks.
You can run out of PSI in the Mother games, yet Ness never loses the ability to use his PK attacks.
Samus can run out of Missiles, but you never run out in Smash.
Yoshi needs to swallow an actual enemy in his own games to produce eggs, yet no such requirement is here.
And heck, according to the Fire Emblem Wiki, ALL Games in the FE series have Durability, it's not a new thing to Awakening, so why Don't Marth and Ike's swords break?
Seems like an unnecessary mechanic that does nothing but gimp Robin.
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Not that I think that the Robin limited uses stuff is a great system but to play devil's advocate…
Equipment in Skyward Sword can break. None of Link's stuff breaks.
Non-hylian shields can break and Link can theoretically run out of bombs and arrows, but nothing ever breaks. But arrows and bombs don't really have the same level of power and utility allotted to the tomes and lemon sword.
You can run out of PSI in the Mother games, yet Ness never loses the ability to use his PK attacks.
PK Fire's a bit of trouble, but PK Thunder isn't exactly the most reliable recovery move, PSI Magnet can be used without PP, and hitting with PK Flash is hard as balls.
Samus can run out of Missiles, but you never run out in Smash.
Same as Link.
Yoshi needs to swallow an actual enemy in his own games to produce eggs, yet no such requirement is here.
Unless you're Amsa, I'd say the eggs are kinda really hard to use for most people.
And heck, according to the Fire Emblem Wiki, ALL Games in the FE series have Durability, it's not a new thing to Awakening, so why Don't Marth and Ike's swords break?
The Falchion and Ragnell are special swords in the games that have infinite uses.
Is the google doc ready for us to start yet?
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quoting to get your attention
On the topic of Robin, I think the limited uses are balanced by how powerful he/she can be. Like charging up the thunder tome doesn't take all that much effort and both arcthunder and thoron can be devastating in different ways. Arcfire may be weaker than PK Fire, but in conjunction with thoron or the lemon sword can lead to a lot stronger of a punishment. The sword is a really powerful and decently ranged melee option for a character with so many ranged options.
I also enjoy Robin's gimp simply because it makes him/her play more like the tactician he/she is supposed to be. Your primary weapons are resource management and battlefield control, as it should be. Robin requires a lot of on the fly thinking to play correctly and it's really rewarding when it comes together.
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@Purple:
Nope .
I was mistaken. There are items that you can get already broken, but can repair to get items.
On the topic of Robin, I think the limited uses are balanced by how powerful he/she can be. Like charging up the thunder tome doesn't take all that much effort and both arcthunder and thoron can be devastating in different ways. Arcfire may be weaker than PK Fire, but in conjunction with thoron or the lemon sword can lead to a lot stronger of a punishment. The sword is a really powerful and decently ranged melee option for a character with so many ranged options.
I also enjoy Robin's gimp simply because it makes him/her play more like the tactician he/she is supposed to be. Your primary weapons are resource management and battlefield control, as it should be. Robin requires a lot of on the fly thinking to play correctly and it's really rewarding when it comes together.
Now that's strategy.
Is it too late to sign up?
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@Purple:
Now that's strategy.
Hey, when life hands you lemon swords, you've got to know how to make your opponents dead. With strategy.
@Purple:
For For Glory?
For either really. Not 100% sure how this works.
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For either really. Not 100% sure how this works.
Still got time for "For Fun". Not really sure about where Noqanky's at or if she set up the matches yet
I'm up for the For Glory tournament, but I will pass the For Fun one for now, not to fond of the Mii
Is there ever going to be a Team Tournament (for either Glory or Fun)? I think it'd be real interesting however the teams are decided.
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Is there ever going to be a Team Tournament (for either Glory or Fun)? I think it'd be real interesting however the teams are decided.
Down the road it's definitely a strong possibility at least For Fun.
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I'm at a hospital right now with my grandma, but I'll have the For Fun matchups up by tonight.
I'd be down for a team tournament if we are allowed to invite friends from outside this board.
I call Ouroboros as partner if we do have a teams tournament.
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If we're doing doubles, I stipulate that friendly fire should be as on as it will be hilarious.
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If we're doing doubles, I stipulate that friendly fire should be as on as it will be hilarious.
Friendly Fire is on in regular tournaments sooooooo it's pretty much a given
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Alright, I'm really sorry about the wait guys! But here's how For Fun stuff is gonna work. I'm kinda playing around with the setup to see how long I should set between mixing up people, because understandably, people have more obligations besides smash, but if people can coordinate around timezones and work schedules faster than this current setup, then I'll speed things up.
-Play three matches with your assorted people.
-First person in each lineup will have to be the responsible person and PM people to setup availability, record the results/replays, and report the results. I'll try to make note of who's done the job over the weeks and try not to have them double up too soon.
-For each match played, report the results here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1fl0L89zB_FInCnYqdIYEJUykicCoHk536RzY8dXbQeA/viewform
-Get this done within four days of the lineup being posted
-After four days, the players will all be mixed up again
-If anyone drops out of the lineup, let me know, but otherwise just go with three-for-alls instead of four player for now.
I wanted a relatively informal setup to start things off because there's always logistics stuff to work out, kinks to fix, and seeing if everybody is comfortable and able to afford time for this before the ball really rolls along with people playing with the customizations and seeing how that goes, so after stalking all your wifi matches with the level of detail of a gnat's eyebrow doing a careful evaluation of your skill levels and definitely not throwing the people who signed up for For Fun into a randomizer…
MII FOR ALL
ALL ITEMS, NO OMEGA/FINAL DESTINATION STAGES
THREE STOCK MATCHES
ROUND 1
READY....
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Demon Rin
Mr Zoro
Mumbling2
Mickamott
Ouroboros
Cyan D. Funk
Hekti
GetsugaZoro
Panekai
J-Sack
Mr0
Capt Haggis
Purple Hermit
Nectar
AaronRules380
Senjuitama
Wagomu
MetaMario
Galaxy9000
PochiPochi
Noqanky
Fana
Rolor D. Blax
Luxor
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GO!
So how do we determine rank for three matches of four people? Like do we average the overall placements? If so, how? Do we do this Mario Kart style with a system of points awarded by rank and an overall tallying at the end?
Gotta keep the numbers straight. Playing games for fun is serious business.
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So how do we determine rank for three matches of four people? Like do we average the overall placements? If so, how? Do we do this Mario Kart style with a system of points awarded by rank and an overall tallying at the end?
Gotta keep the numbers straight. Playing games for fun is serious business.
For Fun, just like For Glory, is gonna be done by elo rankings. Except the For Fun elo's k-factor (the maximum possible adjustment) is gonna be waaaayyyyy higher. I haven't decided how high just yet, but don't be surprised if people suddenly jump hundreds of points, depending on where I set everyone's starting rank (let's say 9001). Also, for multiplayer, I'm going to use the rank to determine win victories.
So let's suppose you trolled your way to first place against Noqanky, Rin, and me (in that order, however unlikely that order actually is). I'd count that as you getting a win against Noqanky, a win against Rin, and a win against me. Noqanky will get a win against Rin and a win against me but a loss against you, Rin will have won against me but lost against Noqanky and you, and I will have lost against all three of you (again, extremely unlikely scenario).
Repeat for two more matches.
Arrrrrgh, just how did I get stuck in a leadership position? Smash is such hard work when you're not doing any actual smashing. Nevertheless, I'll try to smooth out the meeting details ASAP.
Ugh, im literally the last guy you want to organize anything. But I will try to get it done.
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Ugh, im literally the last guy you want to organize anything. But I will try to get it done.
I can be online pretty much whenever, starting tomorrow, so I need to know when you and the others are available!
is any one here good with palutena i suck with her and want to get better hell i suck at smash period my friend code is in my sig.
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There's still about 20 people who haven't added me, but in general we should all check and be sure we've added everyone participating in the tourneys, just so we have one less problem to worry about in the future.
Also, I'm glad these tourneys are being taken with responsibility. I remember the one we had for Brawl was pretty abysmal. The guy who ran it backed out part way through and never gave the rewards to the winner. Then he went into hiding by making a new account, last I knew.
Alright I've been slacking on playing smash and I'm not very good in the first place, I need to practice :ninja:
Also how do we know if we're in the glory tourny or not
Im also fine tomorrow. Ive messaged the others so hopefully we can get this going soon. Also, I believe I still need you to add me.
Yep sorry about that, added you now!
Lots of stuff to respond to. Dang, what a day to not have online access due to life. (Sorry about that Aaron)
Regarding For Glory: remember it's a ladder guys. That means that whenever you want to have an official match, come here, ask someone for a match or challenge someone specifically, you do the match, and submit results. Means I won't be making pre-determined matches, that way how often you battle only affects you and doesn't keep others from playing as much as many people as they can.
Who are the fighters? Based on the spreadsheet, here they are. So if you're in for glory and want to start racking up points, challenge these people. I think some people might be missing here, so let me know if you want to be here in For Glory:
J-Sack
Lans Hamilton
Mickamott
Mr. Zoro
Noqanky
Ouroboros
Purple Hermit
Louis-1988
King Kobra
WarshipArc
Mumbling2
KzTxL7
Panekai
Rolor D. Blax
I notice there's still no form attached here for submitting results (thought there was, must have dreamt it) so I'll make one quickly and put it up in the first page and repost as well. Make sure both people post results for consistency. If only one does, we'll take their word for it.
Note all rules are in that one post, linked in the first post.
is any one here good with palutena i suck with her and want to get better hell i suck at smash period my friend code is in my sig.
Hello. She's my main and I think I'm good with her, based on actually beating really tough opponents occasionally. Wouldn't mind helping whenever I have the time, at the earliest tomorrow night xD
Lots of stuff to respond to. Dang, what a day to not have online access due to life. (Sorry about that Aaron)
Regarding For Glory: remember it's a ladder guys. That means that whenever you want to have an official match, come here, ask someone for a match or challenge someone specifically, you do the match, and submit results. Means I won't be making pre-determined matches, that way how often you battle only affects you and doesn't keep others from playing as much as many people as they can.
Who are the fighters? Based on the spreadsheet, here they are. So if you're in for glory and want to start racking up points, challenge these people. I think some people might be missing here, so let me know if you want to be here in For Glory:
J-Sack
Lans Hamilton
Mickamott
Mr. Zoro
Noqanky
Ouroboros
Purple Hermit
Louis-1988
King Kobra
WarshipArc
Mumbling2
KzTxL7I notice there's still no form attached here for submitting results (thought there was, must have dreamt it) so I'll make one quickly and put it up in the first page and repost as well. Make sure both people post results for consistency. If only one does, we'll take their word for it.
Note all rules are in that one post, linked in the first post.Hello. She's my main and I think I'm good with her, based on actually beating really tough opponents occasionally. Wouldn't mind helping whenever I have the time, at the earliest tomorrow night xD
I wish to take part in the glory as well if possible.
I fight For Glory too
